Re: grouping by date doesn't work correctly
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:39:32 -0500 GMT, Roman wrote: I just created an account for Gmail. POP works fine and after about three or four POP sessions (why that many, I don't know) I had downloaded all 900 messages to my Inbox. I turned on grouping by date and tried threded and non-threaded view modes, but grouping by date doesn't work correctly. Initially all mails were in the Today group, a day later most messages were in the Yesterday group, even though sort by sent date is selected, not sorting by received date. Any hints what may be the problem? Seems that grouping by date groups by reception date. The sort by value is not used when grouping from what I know. -- /Fredrik The Bat! 3.71.01 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MS Outlook useful in Horizontal split
hi, Tuesday, March 7, 2006, 1:57:34 AM, you wrote: The splits are vertical when there are 3 columns. That to me is a horizontal split: as you move from left to right the screen is split. open up any 3 sizeable windows, then select tile vertically and tile horizontally from the taskbar's popup. in our case it's split instead of tile, but the horiz/vert should remain consistent, don't you think? -- regards, vitaliemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MS Outlook useful in Horizontal split
vitalie, On 07-03-2006 13:38, you [vv] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: vv in our case it's split instead of tile, but the horiz/vert vv should remain consistent, don't you think? Even a person from Ritlabs agrees with me :-) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.71.04 Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 6 Mar 2006,
@ @ at 23:57:34 +, when MFPA wrote:
Peter Fjelsten wrote:
To me, vertical means top to bottom.
And to me, meaning that as you move from the top to the bottom the
screen is split into 3.
The splits are vertical when there are 3 columns.
That to me is a horizontal split: as you move from left to right
the screen is split.
I suspect neither of us will convince the other...
But if the wish is implemented, you could have a very high
preview pane doing away with scrolling is most instances.
You mean a full-height one? (!)
If we have a pizza nailed on a wall, when we cut it vertically we get
columns, and when we cut it horizontally we get rows.
A matter of science, graphical/descriptive/projective geometry, when we
are on Earth, in our usual position, standing on our legs, which end
with our feet.
If we though alter this standard referential point, then from the point
of say spider(wo)man, hanging from the ceiling with his/her head down
and legs up, we get inverse orientation, in terms of up-down and
left-right, although vertical-horizontal remains identical. When the
spider(wo)man stands though on a wall instead on the ceiling, and is
cutting the pizza nailed on the next wall, then we get what you
describe.
So, basically it depends on how computer and/or User are positioned in
the space, although Manuals/Mańuelas/Manuelit{a|o}s/Crusals/Gambals,
menus etc. are written from the standpoint of the standard position,
where the horizontal is the plane of trajectory of a moving plankton on
a still water surface, and the vertical is trajectory of a falling
brick, flowerpot or a grand piano, on a windless day/night.
The horizontal has value 0° and the vertical has value 90°, where the
referential point is the center of a nearest planet, or of a local body
influenced not by the field of gravitation of an other one.
***
I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the requests,
and even given ear to, of a type like in MS Outlook regarding TB
development. It opens a new vision of another copy of Elvis happily
murmuring in a subtle shiver Mail me tender, mail me sweet..., leaving
the building of the former TB's integrity and originality.
It resembles irresistibly the efforts of creat{ion|ure} named
Evolution in the Linux world, although I lean, under handsomely
lurching angle, to believe that it's rather a matter of a godfather's
typo meaning Involution actually.
Anyway, it's interesting to watch now and then what happens in the
search of Oscar for Confusion. (-: :pop(ular)corns:
Yours in Muffet Show,
Statford
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Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
Mica, On 07-03-2006 15:12, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the MM requests, and even given ear to, of a type like in MS Outlook MM regarding TB development. It opens a new vision of another copy of MM Elvis happily murmuring in a subtle shiver Mail me tender, mail me MM sweet..., leaving the building of the former TB's integrity and MM originality. Hmm. What the wish is for is an _additional_ way of doing it, an a pretty good one at it, too. Not _everything_ MS does is bad, they do have a fairly large usability department. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.71.04 Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Force the use of SMTP?
Hello Nick, Monday, March 6, 2006, 4:34:07 PM, you wrote: I've been on the list for quite a number of years and your advice on all matters (mine and others) have always be very helpful. I try, but I've been known to bark up the wrong tree on occasion! grin I personally think TB! is a perfect fit for small offices that can't justify a full blown Exchange server. Just have to get rid of some of the kinks. Just another suggestion. One thing you could look at is Mercury Mail http://www.pmail.com/whatsnew/m32401.htm. It's free, very robust, and stable. I've been running it for a number of years as have others on the lists. I will say however, that it isn't completely intuitive but if you were to jump on the TBOT list we'd all be happy to help you configure it securely and correctly. This would give you a real mail server. However, I will say that this may not be what you are after and might be more headache than it's worth. We can discuss it on TBOT though. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Moderators do it for the ugly thrill of it. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Force the use of SMTP?)
Hello Nick, Monday, March 6, 2006, 4:34:07 PM, you wrote: Nick Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Sorry, I musta missed this in previous messages. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Nick. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. ... and, no, we can't add the cut mark to the list footer on the server because when there are 2 cut marks in a message, only the last is used. So that would penalize those that *do* correctly use a cut mark To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Studies show that cats blink when struck with a hammer. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
re-threading loosing mail from view
Hi 'Batters! Today I've been trying the re-threading feature first-time, and getting into troubles right away... :-\ Some contact's replies were not threaded, so I dragged them to the most recent post - which worked quite well, to my delight. Unfortunately, at some point I dragged the tree of some 15 messages to another thread, which I was unable to undo. (*Is* there a way to unthread only certain messages?) After some moving around, including exporting, deleting the misthreaded msgs and re-importing them, I got all back... but only in view Thread by Reference! My usual view is by Subject, and those msgs that were misthreaded seem to be non-existent in threading by Subject?! On top of that, views of different accounts and folders are now effected in the width of the first Subject column: the width is *unequal*, but the change in one Subject width is copied into the same column for another account - and these columns used to be of *unequal* width... without TB asking to save the mods :-\ Anyone tips, comments, links to similar issues, or a solution? Please! Very much appreciated... BTW: I'm on XP Pro SP2, TB v3.65.03 -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like inMSOutlook useful in Horizontal split
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 7 Mar 2006, @ @ at 15:40:37 +0100, when Peter Fjelsten wrote: Mica, On 07-03-2006 15:12, you [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the MM requests, and even given ear to, of a type like in MS Outlook MM regarding TB development. It opens a new vision of another copy of MM Elvis happily murmuring in a subtle shiver Mail me tender, mail me MM sweet..., leaving the building of the former TB's integrity and MM originality. Indeed. Hmm. What the wish is for is an _additional_ way of doing it, an a pretty good one at it, too. Not _everything_ MS does is bad, they do have a fairly large usability department. Following the own path of evolution, one has opportunity to evolve up to his maximum and in a most splendid way. Leaving this path though, and trying to execute actions which correspond to other and different paths of evolution makes one's evolution impossible and brings into confusion, as to the sense/purpose of this path, and even identity itself. It is like a duck wanting to be a piglet, or a lion wanting to be an opossum. The intrinsic Secret Power is hidden inside their _own_ identity, not in faked identity of others. Wishing something like that the duck and lion become powerless and lost. Or to put it this way: If Sharon Stone would like to have legs of Grace Jones and Grace Jones would love to have tits or face of Sharon Stone, to increase their personal popularity, then it would look a bit strange, eh? (Although they could run/trot their careers as comediennes. Or as boogie women.) Or, when you would divorce woman #1 and then marry woman #2, and then expect of woman #2 to behave, or look, in some very specific ways of woman #1. It doesn't go, and such things finish with a built in some piece of crockery into your head or similar. The ways woman #1 makes you happy can bring you something totally else with woman #2. Be what you are, is the moral here. Don't even _try_ to be someone else, regardless any possible promise of a real or imaginary reward.[1] Otherwise you will just lose your Secret Power, and what are you then? Those are some basic principles of the Yoga of Identity. __ [1] You think that people imitate Gates because he is so ingenious programmer? Hee, hee, hee... [with inlaughteration of Eddie Murphy] They want to be _rich_ as Sir Bill. Hee...etc. Imitate successful ones and you'll become successful. Once they've been making the nice brazen steady spittoons; today though, when you need some, none you can see around. (: Phew... [thud] (If I were programmer for instance, and would like besides to be crazily rich as well, I would do this programming of course, but would also buy for less to sell for more, whatever: watermelons, aspic, second c...hand condoms, super-glue... This way I would quickly become a King of Condoms, or of something else, having my power of programming intacta.) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 552 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRA3XZbSpHvHEUtv8AQOUqQf/QT5L15ktHw2weTLtALOHHWKj9HJXnXxl G9kli01VUoWec+eC3h+vCvme0wOW3i6UOXWdQp6U9yBDbtcGEWWgNPrw4x4C4jbr Vw6h7m3r9HjZ75X37DfR/ZrSUiXOwKd7QhkQDRkpg1jrD4Xa/70XNrLlsmoRp89d Yw+KkFqGHtY5xa6pC/aSSshOBBQDo9O8s8Jv5ypQFVAR4ZsP5uga1qlj4APrVfGm Eai2DlVPlPvzGr+qLKPeG3SZqbEDoYJ0HDo/buvDhoihXM9pRurXope087fcjEOS CHB5wTS+7STg4TV2J1oKvrwsh1tmgGR1D0kLZMUXnXGGpgO5GEtLSw== =8kAc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade from 1.62
I've been running the now antique v.1.62r and am about to upgrade to the newest v.3.n. But there is a complication. For various reasons, v.1.62r is installed on my D: drive, where it lives happily with all it's data. ... A pain-free way, as to (de)installation itself, would be something like this... Copy your mail databases (usually the folder Mail) somewhere on D: drive. Deinstall the old TB. Install the new TB (and tell it where the mail database is). The rest of the happenings is not necessarily pain-free though, ... Thank you, Mica, for your thoughts. The upgrade to 3.x along with the change to drive C: went quite smoothly with respect to the program installation and the program finding the .TBB files. All is running smoothly, but you were right... I'm having to do some of the configuration and filter set up manually. With regard to the new filtering setup, I see in the help file a reference to Advanced filtering conditions. But I do not see them anywhere in the sorting office. Also, I make considerable use of regex in filters, but I have not been able to get them to work in the new filtering setup. In version 1.x there was a checkbox for regex, but I don't find one in 3.x (unless it is in the Advanced filtering conditions which I can't find. If anyone would care to contribute a pointer on these to issues it would be much appreciated. -- Dave Goodman The Bat! v.3.71.03 Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Putting a reply into the same folder where the original message is stored?
Hello Maksym, M All I need is an Outgoing filter with filter 'Any message' and action M 'Move to the folder \\MAU\Familia\%ToName' M Of course, I have an equivalent Incoming filter using %FromName. And I M believe this also works with %FromAddress and %ToAddress. And if you M tick the appropriate box, the folder will be created if doesn't exist. Thank you so much! I didn't even try it that way after I tried some other macros in filters and those didn't work. But I've tried this one right now, and it works fine. Again, lots of thanks here! It's at least a big part of the solution I need. Sorry for my late reply. I've been busy and having hardware problems also. I know you would like that :) I'll try and play with other macros in the filter action. I've already tried %FolderName in the (vain) hope that if I start a reply (or a new message) from a certain folder, it will place the sent message into that folder. However, it turns out that this macro returns Outbox, i.e., whenever you start writing a message, TB! makes Outbox the current folder (even though folder focus doesn't move in the main program window). Does anybody know how to get (if it's possible) an expression to return Name of the folder where a message being replied to is stored? :) When Outgoing filters are applied the message is in the Outbox, that is why %FolderName returns Outbox. Try using %FolderName in a new message or reply template and you will see it returns the proper folder name (just the name, not the path). One thing I tries some time ago was to use the Comments header to 'save' the folder name. In my reply templates I included the line: %Comments=Foldername That part works. But then I tried to use %Comments in the filter and that didn't seem to work. Too bad :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.71.03 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Upgrade from 1.62
Hello Dave, Tuesday, March 7, 2006, 2:27:32 PM, you wrote: DG Also, I make considerable use of regex in filters, but I have not been DG able to get them to work in the new filtering setup. In version 1.x DG there was a checkbox for regex, but I don't find one in 3.x (unless it DG is in the Advanced filtering conditions which I can't find. The term Match means that it will use Regex. If you use Contains it does not use Regex. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Solution: storing message to the same folder as original message
Hello,
some users asked me about it and I have discovered one solution, thanks to
9Val, who helped me with filter setting.
What we need:
- AnotherMacros plugin with %FolderPath macro returning whole folder path
http://www.thebat.cz/stazeni/pluginy/anothermacros0321.zip
- new header defined in Preferences|Message Headers, in my case
X-Bat-Folder
What to do:
1) add AnotherMacros plugin in Preferences|Plug-ins. There is %FolderName
macro presented in The Bat!, but it returns folder name only, not whole
path including parent folders
2) create new message header X-Bat-Folder in Preferences|Message Headers
3) Add macro
%SETHEADER(X-Bat-Folder,\\mikus\%FolderPath)
into folder template or You can enter full path (for example
\\mikus\inbox\test) and add macro into contact template. Of course,
You must change mikus to you account name :-)
4) Copy following code into clipboard and Paste it via Ctrl+V into
Outgoing mail section in Common filters:
TB! Message Filter
beginFilter
UID: [DB688D00.01C641DE.15CED5F4.67003FC6]
Name: Move\20to\20folder
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Bat-Folder`2`(?-U).+\0D\0A}
MoveMessage AutoFolder folder %FilterResults
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
5) select Share with tab in this common filter and check accounts where
You want to use this filter
That's all folks
Limitations:
- macro %FolderPath doesn't work with common folder, so if You want to use
this for common folder, enter whole path manually, for example
%SETHEADER(X-Bat-Folder,\\\test)
- header X-Bat-Folder with path is included in outgoing messages (but You
can use X-RAY proxy application for example to remove it
Marek
P.S. You can use Comments header instead creating new X-Bat-Folder, but
it can be used for other purposes, so I have decided to create new one
--
Thanks and Bye,
Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz
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Re: re-threading loosing mail from view
Cory @ 3/07/2006 11:35:32 AM re-threading loosing mail from view mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (*Is* there a way to unthread only certain messages?) Hold down shift while dragging. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. pgpU4tV3ncTWh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Solution: storing message to the same folder as original message
Hello Marek, I've read and re read those instructions and, to my simple mind, they just go way over my head without touching! I'll just stick to making my outbox rules I think :-) -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.71.03 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Solution: storing message to the same folder as original message
Hello all, Wednesday, March 8, 2006, Richard Wakeford wrote: I've read and re read those instructions and, to my simple mind, they just go way over my head without touching! I'll just stick to making my outbox rules I think :-) I did not told, it is easy, but it is working :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.71.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: maintenance and max size of folders
Tom @ 3/08/2006 12:21:41 AM maintenance and max size of folders mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, is there any easy way to archive emails older than xyz and if so, how would I do that. Yes. In the folder's Properties, check the box and enter a value for Keep messages in base for. Then, on the Deletion tab, check the Use folder-specific deletion settings. Under Alternative Deletion, select Move to the specified folder and configure as you see fit. Also, select Use alternative deletion for for purging this folder. On the main tab, you may also want to check Remove old messages (on exit). Now, whenever you purge the folder (or quit The Bat!, if you configured it that way), any messages older than the number of days you specified will be moved to the folder you specified. Magic! -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Extinct Life pgpLFmCyMKVGc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: maintenance and max size of folders
Hallo Tom, On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:21:41 +1100GMT (8-3-2006, 7:21 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TL Are there any limitations as to how many emails or what files size TL (incl. attachments) can or should be stored in these secondary folders TL without again potentially creating hazards? IIRC There is this file limit of 2 GB for the messages.tbb -- Groetjes, Roelof Water floats a ship...Water sinks a ship. Old Chinese Proverb The Bat! 3.71.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpg3VbqWmvyC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
