Re: maintenance and max size of folders

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tom,

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:21:41 +1100GMT (8-3-2006, 7:21 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

TL> Are there any limitations as to how many emails or what files size
TL> (incl. attachments) can or should be stored in these secondary folders
TL> without again potentially creating hazards? 

IIRC There is this file limit of 2 GB for the messages.tbb

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Re: maintenance and max size of folders

[Chris]

Tom @ 3/08/2006 12:21:41 AM
"maintenance and max size of folders" 

> Also, is there any easy way to archive emails older than xyz and if
> so, how would I do that.

Yes. In the folder's Properties, check the box and enter a value for "Keep 
messages in
base for". Then, on the Deletion tab, check the "Use folder-specific
deletion settings". Under "Alternative Deletion", select "Move to the
specified folder" and configure as you see fit. Also, select "Use
alternative deletion for for purging this folder". On the main tab,
you may also want to check "Remove old messages (on exit)".

Now, whenever you purge the folder (or quit The Bat!, if you
configured it that way), any messages older than the number of days
you specified will be moved to the folder you specified.

Magic!

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Re: Solution: storing message to the same folder as original message

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, March 8, 2006, Richard Wakeford wrote:

> I've read and re read those instructions and, to my simple mind, they
> just go way over my head without touching! I'll just stick to making my
> outbox rules I think :-)

I did not told, it is easy, but it is working :-)

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Re: Solution: storing message to the same folder as original message

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Marek,

I've read and re read those instructions and, to my simple mind, they
just go way over my head without touching! I'll just stick to making my
outbox rules I think :-)

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Re: re-threading & "loosing" mail from view

[Chris]

Cory @ 3/07/2006 11:35:32 AM
"re-threading & "loosing" mail from view" 

> (*Is* there a way to unthread only certain messages?)

Hold down shift while dragging.

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Solution: storing message to the same folder as original message

[Marek Mikus]

Hello,
some users asked me about it and I have discovered one solution, thanks to
9Val, who helped me with filter setting.

What we need:
- AnotherMacros plugin with %FolderPath macro returning whole folder path
  http://www.thebat.cz/stazeni/pluginy/anothermacros0321.zip
- new header defined in "Preferences|Message Headers", in my case
  "X-Bat-Folder"

What to do:

1) add AnotherMacros plugin in "Preferences|Plug-ins". There is %FolderName
   macro presented in The Bat!, but it returns folder name only, not whole
   path including parent folders

2) create new message header "X-Bat-Folder" in "Preferences|Message Headers"

3) Add macro

   %SETHEADER("X-Bat-Folder","\\mikus\%FolderPath")

   into folder template or You can enter full path (for example
   "\\mikus\inbox\test") and add macro into contact template. Of course,
   You must change "mikus" to you account name :-)

4) Copy following code into clipboard and Paste it via Ctrl+V into
"Outgoing mail" section in Common filters:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [DB688D00.01C641DE.15CED5F4.67003FC6]
Name: Move\20to\20folder
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Bat-Folder`2`(?-U).+\0D\0A}
MoveMessage AutoFolder folder %FilterResults
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

5) select "Share with" tab in this common filter and check accounts where
   You want to use this filter

That's all folks
   

Limitations:
- macro %FolderPath doesn't work with common folder, so if You want to use
  this for common folder, enter whole path manually, for example
  %SETHEADER("X-Bat-Folder","\\\test")

- header X-Bat-Folder with path is included in outgoing messages (but You
  can use X-RAY proxy application for example to remove it

Marek
  
P.S. You can use Comments header instead creating new "X-Bat-Folder", but
it can be used for other purposes, so I have decided to create new one

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Re[2]: Upgrade from 1.62

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Dave,
Tuesday, March 7, 2006, 2:27:32 PM, you wrote:

DG> Also, I make considerable use of regex in filters, but I have not been
DG> able to get them to work in the new filtering setup. In version 1.x
DG> there was a checkbox for regex, but I don't find one in 3.x (unless it
DG> is in the "Advanced filtering conditions" which I can't find.

The   term   "Match"   means  that  it  will  use  Regex.  If  you use
"Contains" it does not use Regex.

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Re: Putting a reply into the same folder where the original message is stored?

[MAU]

Hello Maksym,

M>> All I need is an Outgoing filter with filter 'Any message' and action
M>> 'Move to the folder \\MAU\Familia\%ToName'
>
M>> Of course, I have an equivalent Incoming filter using %FromName. And I
M>> believe this also works with %FromAddress and %ToAddress. And if you
M>> tick the appropriate box, the folder will be created if doesn't exist.
>
> Thank you so much! I didn't even try it that way after I tried some
> other macros in filters and those didn't work. But I've tried this one
> right now, and it works fine. Again, lots of thanks here! It's at
> least a big part of the solution I need.

Sorry for my late reply. I've been busy and having hardware problems
also.

I know you would like that :)

> I'll try and play with other macros in the filter action. I've already
> tried %FolderName in the (vain) hope that if I start a reply (or a new
> message) from a certain folder, it will place the sent message into
> that folder. However, it turns out that this macro returns Outbox,
> i.e., whenever you start writing a message, TB! makes Outbox the
> current folder (even though folder focus doesn't move in the main
> program window). Does anybody know how to get (if it's possible) an
> expression to return "Name of the folder where a message being replied
> to is stored"? :)

When Outgoing filters are applied the message is in the Outbox, that is
why %FolderName returns Outbox. Try using %FolderName in a new message
or reply template and you will see it returns the proper folder name
(just the name, not the path).

One thing I tries some time ago was to use the Comments header to
'save' the folder name. In my reply templates I included the line:

  %Comments="Foldername"

That part works. But then I tried to use %Comments in the filter and
that didn't seem to work. Too bad :-(

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Re: Upgrade from 1.62

[Dave Goodman]

>> I've been running the now antique v.1.62r and am about to upgrade to the
>> newest v.3.n. But there is a complication. For various reasons, v.1.62r
>> is installed on my D: drive, where it lives happily with all it's data.
>> ...

> A pain-free way, as to (de)installation itself, would be something like
> this...

> Copy your mail databases (usually the folder "Mail") somewhere on D:
> drive.

> Deinstall the old TB.

> Install the new TB (and tell it where the mail database is).

> The rest of the happenings is not necessarily pain-free though, ...

Thank you, Mica, for your thoughts. The upgrade to 3.x along with the
change to drive C: went quite smoothly with respect to the program installation
and the program finding the .TBB files. All is running smoothly, but you
were right... I'm having to do some of the configuration and filter set
up manually.

With regard to the new filtering setup, I see in the help file a
reference to "Advanced filtering conditions". But I do not see them
anywhere in the sorting office.

Also, I make considerable use of regex in filters, but I have not been
able to get them to work in the new filtering setup. In version 1.x
there was a checkbox for regex, but I don't find one in 3.x (unless it
is in the "Advanced filtering conditions" which I can't find.

If anyone would care to contribute a pointer on these to issues it would
be much appreciated.

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Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like inMSOutlook useful in Horizontal split

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> Mica,

> On 07-03-2006 15:12, you [MM] wrote in
> :
MM>> I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the
MM>> requests, and even given ear to, of a type "like in MS Outlook"
MM>> regarding TB development. It opens a new vision of another copy of
MM>> Elvis happily murmuring in a subtle shiver "Mail me tender, mail me
MM>> sweet...", leaving the building of the former TB's integrity and
MM>> originality.

Indeed.

> Hmm. What the wish is for is an _additional_ way of doing it, an a
> pretty good one at it, too. Not _everything_ MS does is bad, they do
> have a fairly large usability department.

Following the own path of evolution, one has opportunity to evolve up to
his maximum and in a most splendid way.

Leaving this path though, and trying to execute actions which correspond
to other and different paths of evolution makes one's evolution
impossible and brings into confusion, as to the sense/purpose of this
path, and even identity itself.

It is like a duck wanting to be a piglet, or a lion wanting to be an
opossum. The intrinsic Secret Power is hidden inside their _own_
identity, not in faked identity of others. Wishing something like that
the duck and lion become powerless and lost.

Or to put it this way: If Sharon Stone would like to have legs of Grace
Jones and Grace Jones would love to have tits or face of Sharon Stone,
to increase their personal "popularity", then it would look a bit
strange, eh? (Although they could run/trot their careers as comediennes.
Or as boogie women.)

Or, when you would divorce woman #1 and then marry woman #2, and then
expect of woman #2 to behave, or look, in some very specific ways of
woman #1. It doesn't go, and such things finish with a built in some
piece of crockery into your head or similar. The ways woman #1 makes you
happy can bring you something totally else with woman #2.

Be what you are, is the "moral" here. Don't even _try_ to be someone
else, regardless any possible promise of a real or imaginary
"reward".[1] Otherwise you will just lose your Secret Power, and what
are you then?

Those are some basic principles of the Yoga of Identity.


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programmer? Hee, hee, hee... [with inlaughteration of Eddie Murphy] They
want to be _rich_ as Sir Bill. Hee...etc. "Imitate successful ones and
you'll become successful".

Once they've been making the nice brazen steady spittoons; today though,
when you need some, none you can see around. (: Phew... [thud]

(If I were programmer for instance, and would like besides to be crazily
rich as well, I would do this programming of course, but would also buy
for less to sell for more, whatever: watermelons, aspic, second c...hand
condoms, super-glue... This way I would quickly become a King of
Condoms, or of something else, having my power of programming intacta.)

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re-threading & "loosing" mail from view

[Cory]

Hi 'Batters!

Today I've been trying the re-threading feature first-time, and
getting into troubles right away... :-\
Some contact's replies were not threaded, so I dragged them to the
most recent post - which worked quite well, to my delight.
Unfortunately, at some point I dragged the tree of some 15 messages to
another thread, which I was unable to undo. (*Is* there a way to
unthread only certain messages?)

After some moving around, including exporting, deleting the
misthreaded msgs and re-importing them, I got all back... but only in
view "Thread by Reference"! My usual view is by Subject, and those
msgs that were misthreaded seem to be non-existent in threading by
Subject?!
On top of that, views of different accounts and folders are now
effected in the width of the first Subject column: the width is
*unequal*, but the change in one Subject width is copied into the same
column for another account - and these columns used to be of *unequal*
width... without TB asking to save the mods :-\

Anyone tips, comments, links to similar issues, or a solution? Please!
Very much appreciated...

BTW: I'm on XP Pro SP2, TB v3.65.03


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Mod: Cut mark (was: Force the use of SMTP?)

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Hello Nick,

Monday, March 6, 2006, 4:34:07 PM, you wrote:
> Nick

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Re: Force the use of SMTP?

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Hello Nick,

Monday, March 6, 2006, 4:34:07 PM, you wrote:
> I've been on the list for quite a number of years and your advice on
> all matters (mine and others) have always be very helpful.

I try, but I've been known to bark up the wrong tree on occasion!


> I personally think TB! is a perfect fit for small offices that can't
> justify a full blown Exchange server. Just have to get rid of some
> of the kinks.

Just another suggestion. One thing you could look at is Mercury Mail
. It's free, very robust,
and stable. I've been running it for a number of years as have others
on the lists.

I will say however, that it isn't completely intuitive but if you were
to jump on the TBOT list we'd all be happy to help you configure it
securely and correctly. This would give you a real mail server.
However, I will say that this may not be what you are after and might
be more headache than it's worth. We can discuss it on TBOT though.


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Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MSOutlook useful in Horizontal split

[Peter Fjelsten]

Mica,

On 07-03-2006 15:12, you [MM] wrote in
:
MM> I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the
MM> requests, and even given ear to, of a type "like in MS Outlook"
MM> regarding TB development. It opens a new vision of another copy of
MM> Elvis happily murmuring in a subtle shiver "Mail me tender, mail me
MM> sweet...", leaving the building of the former TB's integrity and
MM> originality.

Hmm. What the wish is for is an _additional_ way of doing it, an a
pretty good one at it, too. Not _everything_ MS does is bad, they do
have a fairly large usability department.

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Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MSOutlook useful in Horizontal split

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> Peter Fjelsten wrote:

>> To me, vertical means top to bottom.

> And to me, meaning that as you move from the top to the bottom the
> screen is split into 3.

>> The splits are vertical when there are 3 columns.

> That to me is a horizontal split: as you move from left to right
> the screen is split.

> I suspect neither of us will convince the other...

>> But if the wish is implemented, you could have a very high
>> preview pane doing away with scrolling is most instances.

> You mean a full-height one? (!)

If we have a pizza nailed on a wall, when we cut it vertically we get
columns, and when we cut it horizontally we get rows.

A matter of science, graphical/descriptive/projective geometry, when we
are on Earth, in our usual position, standing on our legs, which end
with our feet.

If we though alter this standard referential point, then from the point
of say spider(wo)man, hanging from the ceiling with his/her head down
and legs up, we get inverse orientation, in terms of up-down and
left-right, although vertical-horizontal remains identical. When the
spider(wo)man stands though on a wall instead on the ceiling, and is
cutting the pizza nailed on the next wall, then we get what you
describe.

So, basically it depends on how computer and/or User are positioned in
the space, although Manuals/Mańuelas/Manuelit{a|o}s/Crusals/Gambals,
menus etc. are written from the standpoint of the standard position,
where the horizontal is the plane of trajectory of a moving plankton on
a still water surface, and the vertical is trajectory of a falling
brick, flowerpot or a grand piano, on a windless day/night.

The horizontal has value 0° and the vertical has value 90°, where the
referential point is the center of a nearest planet, or of a local body
influenced not by the field of gravitation of an other one.

  ***

I am in addition immensely enchanted that all the more are the requests,
and even given ear to, of a type "like in MS Outlook" regarding TB
development. It opens a new vision of another copy of Elvis happily
murmuring in a subtle shiver "Mail me tender, mail me sweet...", leaving
the building of the former TB's integrity and originality.

It resembles irresistibly the efforts of creat{ion|ure} named
"Evolution" in the Linux world, although I lean, under handsomely
lurching angle, to believe that it's rather a matter of a godfather's
typo meaning "Involution" actually.

Anyway, it's interesting to watch now and then what happens in the
search of Oscar for Confusion. (-: :pop(ular)corns:

Yours in Muffet Show,

Statford

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Re: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MS Outlook useful in Horizontal split

[Peter Fjelsten]

vitalie,

On 07-03-2006 13:38, you [vv] wrote in
:
vv> in our case it's "split" instead of "tile", but the horiz/vert
vv> should remain consistent, don't you think?

Even a person from Ritlabs agrees with me :-)

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Re[2]: Wish: Two-rows for messages in Message List Pane like in MS Outlook useful in Horizontal split

[vitalie vrabie]

hi,

Tuesday, March 7, 2006, 1:57:34 AM, you wrote:

>> The splits are vertical when there are 3 columns.

> That to me is a horizontal split: as you move from left to right
> the screen is split.

open up any 3 sizeable windows, then select "tile vertically" and "tile 
horizontally" from the taskbar's popup.

in our case it's "split" instead of "tile", but the horiz/vert should remain 
consistent, don't you think?


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Re: grouping by date doesn't work correctly

[Fredrik Bergström]

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:39:32 -0500 GMT, Roman wrote:

> I just created an account for Gmail.  POP works fine and after about
> three or four POP sessions (why that many, I don't know) I had
> downloaded all 900 messages to my Inbox.

> I turned on grouping by date and tried threded and non-threaded view
> modes, but grouping by date doesn't work correctly.  Initially all
> mails were in the "Today" group, a day later most messages were in the
> "Yesterday" group,  even though sort by sent date is selected, not
> sorting by received date.

> Any hints what may be the problem?

  Seems that grouping by date groups by reception date. The "sort by"
  value is not used when grouping from what I know.

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