Message finder column settings

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello,

Is it possible to set the column settings in "Message finder" so that
they stick?

If not then I think a note on the wishlist will have to be made :-(

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Re: Finding all linked messages

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 15 October 2006 at 4:49:26 PM, in
, MAU wrote:

> Ops! I think I misunderstood you question, I thought you were trying
> to find replies you had sent.

I just followed your instructions and TB! found the reply even
though it was not from me.

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Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment

[MFPA]

Hi

On Friday 13 October 2006 at 5:51:53 AM, in
, Scott wrote:

> I would like to momentarily tell the bat to not check email.
> Going thru 30 accounts and turning it off for a moment would be
> a pain...

Is it possible to achieve this by scheduling your regular checking
of mail, not in account properties but as a repeating task in the
scheduler and then only having to suspend that one task?

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Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 10 October 2006 at 6:08:23 PM, in
, Thomas
Fernandez wrote:

> It doesn't exist, but I would appreciate that too.

If anybody has the time to locate/create a feature request I'll
support.

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Re: Messages forwarded automatically by a filter dropping attachments

[MFPA]

Hi

On Saturday 14 October 2006 at 8:13:04 AM, in
, Roelof Otten wrote:

> IIRC that's a bug in the version you use.

Thanks for info. It appears the only way I can automate this is to
"always use MIME envelope for the original message" - that seems
to forward the attachments too but is not really how I want it.

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Re: Question about The bat

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Christian,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:45:42 +0200GMT Christian wrote:

C> I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i
C> couldnt navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons, etc.

A friend of mine also uses Windows Eyes, so I know it is possible. She
uses TheBat 3.85.03 but I cannot say which version of Windows Eyes.
Unfortunately she only speeks german but if you whish I could send you
her address per PM.

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Re: Default mail client

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Ben,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:08:25 +0100GMT (16-10-2006, 20:08 , where I
live), you wrote:

BA> can i claim senior moment?

Depends somewhat on your age. ;-)

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Re[2]: Default mail client

[Benedict Allen]

Howdy Roelof,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:49:46 PM, Roelof wrotened:

> Hallo Ben,

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:35:59 +0100GMT (16-10-2006, 19:35 , where I
> live), you wrote:

BA>>>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
BA>>>client

BA>> It's you. ;-)

BA>> Options / Preferences / Applications.


BA>> Not there

> That's because you're using a beta that's adjusted to vista.

> 
> Please use %quotes in your reply template in stead of %text, the
> latter doesn't add a quote prefix and makes it very hard to see what's
> original text of yours and what is the stuff you quoted.
> 

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Re: Question about The bat

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Christian,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 11:45:42 AM, you wrote:
> I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i
> couldnt navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons,
> etc.

Hmmm... Not sure... The only other visually impaired person I know of
who was using TB used Jaws. There were some quirks if I remember, but
they were able to use it ok. I don't recall whether there was anything
to do about TB being in a "classic" state or not.

On the toolbar is Options and under options is themes with one of them
being "Windows Default". I don't know if that'd help.


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Re[2]: Default mail client

[Benedict Allen]

Howdy Roelof,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:49:46 PM, Roelof wrotened:

Hallo Ben,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:35:59 +0100GMT (16-10-2006, 19:35 , where I
live), you wrote:

BA>>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
BA>>client

BA> It's you. ;-)

BA> Options / Preferences / Applications.


BA> Not there

That's because you're using a beta that's adjusted to vista.


Please use %quotes in your reply template in stead of %text, the
latter doesn't add a quote prefix and makes it very hard to see what's
original text of yours and what is the stuff you quoted.


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bugger

**

I did

see template..

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Howdy %OFromFName,

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, %OFromFName wrotened:

%QUOTES


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Mod: Top posting (was: Question about The bat)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Christian,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:45:42 +0200GMT (16-10-2006, 19:45 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

C> Christian


C> On 2006-10-17 at 00:32 Thomas Fernandez wrote:


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian.

  )<)))'>

This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting.

Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
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because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
   top of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
part separately and follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
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Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Question about The bat)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Christian,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200GMT (16-10-2006, 19:24 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

C> Hi all,


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian.

  )<)))'>

Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been
posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading
mail client.

See "View | View threads by | Reference" to see where it ended up.

The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread
instead of by all users.

I recommend that you post your question again using a "New message"
if you want to see more replies to your query.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: Question about The bat)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Christian,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200GMT (16-10-2006, 19:24 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

C> Christian


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
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Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
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This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
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Re: Default mail client

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Ben,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:35:59 +0100GMT (16-10-2006, 19:35 , where I
live), you wrote:

BA>>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
BA>>client

BA> It's you. ;-)

BA> Options / Preferences / Applications.


BA> Not there

That's because you're using a beta that's adjusted to vista.


Please use %quotes in your reply template in stead of %text, the
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original text of yours and what is the stuff you quoted.


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Re[2]: Question about The bat

[Christian]

Hi,
I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i couldnt 
navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons, etc.
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-10-17 at 00:32 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>Hello Christian,
>
>On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:24 +0700 GMT),
>Christian wrote:
>
>C> I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties.
>C> Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the
>C> programs look to a more windows classic? The dialogs are not very
>C> accessible to me with my screen reader.
>
>Which screenreader are you using? TB should be accessible by now.
>
>--
>
>Cheers,
>Thomas.
>
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Re: Default mail client

[Graham Smith]

Hello Benedict,


Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:36:57 PM, you wrote:


>>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
>>client

> Options|Preferences|applications

> and select the "check the bat is the default email client"

> There may be a better way, but this works.



> This is no option there...

I now see from your sig that you are using an alpha of the next
release, so I guess it isn't the same as the release version. Is there
not a beta/alpha support group where you could ask this?


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Re[2]: Default mail client

[Benedict Allen]

Howdy Graham,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:19:48 PM, Graham wrotened:

Hello Ben,


Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:07:00 PM, you wrote:


>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
>client

Options|Preferences|applications

and select the "check the bat is the default email client"

gives a you a pop up dialog that allows you  to select The bat! as
default the next time you launch it.

There may be a better way, but this works.



This is no option there...

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Re[2]: Default mail client

[Benedict Allen]

Howdy Thomas,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:18:17 PM, Thomas wrotened:

Hello Benedict,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:07:41 +0100 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:07 +0700 GMT),
Benedict Allen wrote:

BA>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
BA>client

It's you. ;-)

Options / Preferences / Applications.


Not there

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Re: Question about The bat

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Christian,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:24 +0700 GMT),
Christian wrote:

C> I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties.
C> Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the
C> programs look to a more windows classic? The dialogs are not very
C> accessible to me with my screen reader.

Which screenreader are you using? TB should be accessible by now.

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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mica,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 10:08:22 PM, you wrote:

MM> More specific and "expert" answers you'll most probably get on the
MM> other, PGP, more specialized, list, as for GnuPG alone, while the
MM> matters of Bat's and GnuPG's integration have better chance to be solved
MM> here. I guess. Even only in theory. (:

That was a heck of a response - thanks much. At least I know my
problems with TB!/GnuGP aren't unique, i.e., it ain't all due to my
ineptness. And I think I will opt for a quick migration to GnuPG even
though I do have a licensed version of PGP.

Any further questions I'll post to one of the GPG/PGP lists unless I'm
pretty sure it's a TB! issue.

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Re: Default mail client

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Benedict,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:07:41 +0100 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:07 +0700 GMT),
Benedict Allen wrote:

BA>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
BA>client

It's you. ;-)

Options / Preferences / Applications.

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Re: Default mail client

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Benedict Allen & everyone else,

on 16-Okt-2006 at 19:07 you (Benedict Allen) wrote:

> Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
> client

H... that belongs to TBBETA and I think it was answered/announced
there in Maxim's message msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Question about The bat

[Christian]

Hi all,
I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties.
Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the programs look to a 
more windows classic? The dialogs are not very accessible to me with my screen 
reader.
Many thanks,
Christian



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Re: Default mail client

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Ben,

on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:07:00 +0100GMT (16.10.2006, 19:07 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

BA>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
BA>client

You may need admin privileges for it.

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Re: Default mail client

[Graham Smith]

Hello Ben,


Monday, October 16, 2006, 6:07:00 PM, you wrote:


>Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
>client

Options|Preferences|applications

and select the "check the bat is the default email client"

gives a you a pop up dialog that allows you  to select The bat! as
default the next time you launch it.

There may be a better way, but this works.

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[Benedict Allen]

Howdy Fellow TB! users,

   Is it just me or is there no way to set TB! as the default mail
   client

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Howdy Fellow TB! users,

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   client

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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 16 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 19:47:56 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> With WinPT, I have the option of creating an RSA key up to 4096; with
> PGP I can create an RSA key only up to 2048, while a DH/DSS key can go
> to 4096. Which is the better option for PGP? (Eventually I will phase
> out of using PGP, but need to have GnuGP working reliably first.)

It is safer/best to create new keys using GnuPG. (PGP will manage then
with 3072 bits RSA keys quite fine, and even with bigger ones.) Besides,
GnuPG as such is reliable always (which is not case with other crypto
software, including the "modern" PGP). In combinations with other
programs it may vary (as you experience yourself). Best combination (so
far) is GnuPG + GPGShell (and of mailers + The Bat).

> Also, how do I change the hash algorithm? With PGP v8.1 I have several
> algorithm options, but they all seem to result in a hash SHA1.

SHA1 is also unsafe algorithm. In GnuPG you add/remove hashes and the
rest by updating the key preferences. It is done by typing in on the
command line (in Windows the DOS Prompt -- Start | Run | cmd | [OK])...

gpg --edit-key (and here you type in ID of the key you want to edit)

...then you type in...

setpref (and here you choose wanted hashes -- see the table below)

...and then when you are finished, you type in this...

save

...hit [enter] button and your key preferences are updated.

   *

The list of abbreviations for algorithms is here...

   ##
   # Cipher-Algos:# Digest-Algos:# Compress-Algos:  #
   ##
   #  #  # Z0  Uncompressed #
   # S1  IDEA # H1  MD5  # Z1  ZIP  #
   # S2  3DES # H2  SHA1 # Z2  ZLIB #
   # S3  CAST5# H3  RIPEMD160# Z3  BZIP2#
   # S4  BLOWFISH #  #  #
   #  #  #  #
   #  # H6  TIGER192 #  #
   # S7  AES  #  #  #
   # S8  AES192   # H8  SHA256   #  #
   # S9  AES256   # H9  SHA384   #  #
   # S10 TWOFISH  # H10 SHA512   #  #
   #  # H11 SHA224   #  #
   ##

...so you can choose what you prefer (you may choose them all and what
is not applicable will be simply omitted), and write it in the form...

setpref S10 S9 S8 (and so on) H11 H10 (etc) Z3 Z2 (etc)

...just bear in mind that for H6, the TIGER192 algorithm, you will need
specially modified version of GnuPG with more features, and if you
really need it for any reasons you may download such one here
. It also is able to create
keys up to 16,384 bits and has some other handy additions.

These GPG versions are like any other ones, just having more features,
so it works well with The Flying Suc...Mammal too. You install it by
simply copying its files over already installed ones.


> I'm still having some problems with TB!'s integration. For example, I
> seem to be able to decrypt okay - most of the time - but tonight it
> still tells me there is no secret key when I try to sign/encrypt using
> its privacy menu options. WinPT, on the other hand, was working
> tonight, although now I'm having troubles again. (It keeps defaulting
> to another open message to sign, and after closing that one it now
> tells me there it could not extract text from the window.) Again, maybe
> if I use just one of them I'll be okay.

Integrated decryption works with no problem in TBat, using GnuPG. Tricky
is with encryption however, since this part of the Bat's being is a bit
dull, a bit stubborn and a bit seemingly retarded a longer time already
in this regard, so I manage other way for mail encryption (using
Clipboard feature in GPGShell, most of the time).

> Thanks for all of the advice and assistance.

As the Sir McAntony Dubbya of/von Boom would say, You Was Welcomes. (-:

More specific and "expert" answers you'll most probably get on the
other, PGP, more specialized, list, as for GnuPG alone, while the
matters of Bat's and GnuPG's integration have better chance to be solved
here. I guess. Even only in theory. (:

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Re: I want to count messages that arrive...

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Marten,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 10:17:43 AM, you wrote:
> Eeekkk! That'd keep me quiet for a week or two!

Good! 

> Thanks for the detailed pointer...

Most welcome.

> Would you be offended I waited to see if anyone has a less
> brain-bending way?

Uhm. Yes. Most definitely!  jk... It's really not too
complex. Create a filter to count the messages, call the batch file
which in turn calls the vbs which updates the .txt file. To see the
counter either "include" the .txt file or just open the text file
whenever :-)


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Re: I want to count messages that arrive...

[Marten Gallagher]

> Hello Admin,

> Monday, October 16, 2006, 8:47:28 AM, you wrote:
>> I want to count messages that arrive to a particular.

> Then click here:
> http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/mailing_lists.shtml#Filter%20Two

> This should be pretty easy to adapt to what you want to do. Be careful
> unzipping the ZIP file. I'd do it manually rather than automatic
> because it's going to unzip into C:\program files\the bat! folder.

Eeekkk! That'd keep me quiet for a week or two!

Thanks for the detailed pointer...

Would you be offended I waited to see if anyone has a less brain-bending way?

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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Crash on startup)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Roelof,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:42:10 AM, you wrote:
> 
> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
> just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Quin.

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Mod: Cut mark (was: Crash on startup)

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Quin,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:12:30 +0100 (BST)GMT (16-10-2006, 17:12 +0200,
where I live), you wrote:

QP> 
QP> Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:


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  )<)))'>

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
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This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
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Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
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Re: Crash on startup

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Quin,

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:12:30 +0100 (BST)GMT (16-10-2006, 17:12 , where
I live), you wrote:

QP> [Cross posted with online forum]

So is my answer. ;-)

QP> Just after the initial splash banner, I get an exception error from
QP> thebat.exe.

When you're running TB with an unencrypted message base, it's possible
to search your message base with a text editor, so that should enable
you to find your registration key again. When you're using TB with
encryption enabled then you're out of luck.

What I'd try anyway in your case would be to uninstall TB and to move
your message base to a different location and also make a copy for
safe keeping.
Next install TB
If you were running TB with an encrypted message base then do so
again, if you were running wit a plain message base then keep it that
way.
Create an account and see whether TB runs fine now.
If it's running fine then something has gone corrupt in your message
base that prevented TB from running, if it still doesn't run then it's
something else, but either way it's necessary to know.


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Mod: Cut mark (was: Crash on startup)

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Quin,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:12:30 AM, you wrote:
> Q

> 
> Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Quin.

  )<)))'>

Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a <, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting.

You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in
your templates.

Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any
difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being
courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added
to your signature by the list server.

... and, no, we can't add the cut mark to the list footer on the
server because when there are 2 cut marks in a message, only the last
is used. So that would penalize those that *do* correctly use a cut
mark

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Re: Crash on startup

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Quin,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 9:12:30 AM, you wrote:
> Wondering if anyone can help -- I can't open a ticket without my
> registration key and I can't get to my registration key because my
> email doesn't work.

Are you using OTFE (On The Fly Encryption)? If not, the mail database
is plaintext and you can sift through it to find your key. If you're
using OTFE, then this is a no-go.

> I've upgraded to the latest version with no luck. I've also tried
> running it with my virus protection (AVG) and I continue to get the
> error.

Speaking of that. What plugins do you have enabled? Every once in a
while, I have a problem with BayesIT and I go into the folder and
rename the plugin until TB opens correctly then rename it back. I
don't know why it does that, but I've never really had time to dig
into why the rename trick works.

> The fact that this suddenly happened on a Tuesday makes me think it
> was a Microsoft update that threw it off, but of course I could be
> wrong.

Potentially, but my machine is up to date, although XP Pro, and no
problems with TB so far.

> I realise I probably ought to have *written down* my reg key in the
> event that I couldn't get into my email... I will be more careful
> next time :)

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Re: I want to count messages that arrive...

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Admin,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 8:47:28 AM, you wrote:
> I want to count messages that arrive to a particular.

> Even if I delete them I want the counter to continue incrementing
> with each one that arrives...

> Any ideas anyone?

Download the TBLH.ZIP file from here:
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tblh.zip

Then click here:
http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/mailing_lists.shtml#Filter%20Two

Scroll up two images and start reading the text where it starts:

"Here's an additional note. I was playing around with a way to include
the current number of subscribers in the subscribe receipt. I finally
found a way using VBScript and a couple of well placed INCLUDE
statements. Here's how it works."

This should be pretty easy to adapt to what you want to do. Be careful
unzipping the ZIP file. I'd do it manually rather than automatic
because it's going to unzip into C:\program files\the bat! folder.

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Crash on startup

[Quin Parker]

[Cross posted with online forum]

Wondering if anyone can help -- I can't open a ticket without my
registration key and I can't get to my registration key because my email
doesn't work.

I purchased TheBat Professional a month ago and have been very happy with
it up until last Tuesday morning, when it refused to open.

Just after the initial splash banner, I get an exception error from
thebat.exe.

I've upgraded to the latest version with no luck. I've also tried running
it with my virus protection (AVG) and I continue to get the error.

The fact that this suddenly happened on a Tuesday makes me think it was a
Microsoft update that threw it off, but of course I could be wrong.

I am running Windows XP Home on a Toshiba Satellite Pro.

I realise I probably ought to have *written down* my reg key in the event
that I couldn't get into my email... I will be more careful next time :)

Can anyone shed any further light on this or have a way of contacting the
support team without access to my reg key?

Thanks

Q


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Re[2]: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mica,

Monday, October 16, 2006, 7:01:06 PM, you wrote:

MM> Richard, whatever might be the case, and your DSA key certainly is not
MM> the reason, you should anyway make a new -- but an RSA -- key, of at
MM> least some honest 3072 bits, since DSA keys are not safe as they were
MM> once (upon a time) and hence should be gradually withdrawn from (active)
MM> cryptographic life.

I was going to do that one of these days anyway. With WinPT, I have
the option of creating an RSA key up to 4096; with PGP I can create an
RSA key only up to 2048, while a DH/DSS key can go to 4096. Which is
the better option for PGP? (Eventually I will phase out of using PGP,
but need to have GnuGP working reliably first.)

Also, how do I change the hash algorithm? With PGP v8.1 I have several
algorithm options, but they all seem to result in a hash SHA1.

MM> As for the inconsistent work of the crypto "band" the members of are
MM> here TBat, WinPT and GnuPG, I suspect that WinPT is the one that is
MM> causing it. Its author also himself hints (on the other list) that it is
MM> the possible reason, due to certain incompleteness of this software. Try
MM> GPGShell instead and I think you'll not have such problems anymore.

I think I've identified my problem. Yesterday I used only PGP and it
worked just fine, both encrypting and decrypting. Tonight it started
out okay, but then I started WinPT to check it out, and now PGP claims
it can't copy text from the window. Seems there's a conflict when both
are running. The obvious solution, of course, is to use only one of
them at a time.

MM> As for The Bat, in this, crypto, regard, it also is not quite
MM> "complete", despite its very good (one of the best) integration with
MM> GnuPG, and although it makes no problem in this particular case you
MM> describe it should be "corrected" at least as for the list of keys it
MM> offers, the list that is "filtered" after the addresses of particular
MM> account and thus very annoyingly limited. _All_ the user's keys being on
MM> his key-ring(s) should appear and be at disposal on such a list,
MM> regardless whether the addresses in key IDs correspond to the actual
MM> account we work at the moment or not, or whether these IDs have some
MM> email address at all or not.

I'm still having some problems with TB!'s integration. For example, I
seem to be able to decrypt okay - most of the time - but tonight it
still tells me there is no secret key when I try to sign/encrypt using
its privacy menu options. WinPT, on the other hand, was working
tonight, although now I'm having troubles again. (It keeps defaulting
to another open message to sign, and after closing that one it now
tells me there it could not extract text from the window.) Again, maybe
if I use just one of them I'll be okay.

Thanks for all of the advice and assistance.

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I want to count messages that arrive...

[Admin at AK]

I want to count messages that arrive to a particular.

Even if I delete them I want the counter to continue incrementing with each
one that arrives...

Any ideas anyone?

-- 
Marten Gallagher
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www.annerykiln.co.uk
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with K9
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Re: TB! and GnuPG (and PGP)

[Mica Mijatovic]

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   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 15 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 07:14:35 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

> Mica,

> Saturday, October 14, 2006, 11:25:54 PM, you wrote:

MM>> If your GnuPG otherwise works, even if just once it was working well
MM>> (for instance you hit Ctrl+Shift+S in TB editor and it offers the
MM>> "combo" with the list of your keys), then it means that it's properly
MM>> installed, both with the added PATH and the registry entry.

> It appears to be working. I've played with it some more since my
> earlier post, and it now decrypts and verifies signatures just fine.
> (Or at least those of the person with whom I've been testing it.)

> When I try to sign or encrypt, it gives the pass phrase dialog box,
> but then I get an error message saying there is no default secret key.
> I've repeatedly checked the preferences to make sure the paths are
> correct, but still can't get over this hurdle.

> This morning, however, I checked the properties on my key once again,
> and this time looked more carefully at the subkeys. The DSA subkey can
> sign and certify, while the ELG-E subkey, which has a different subkey
> id, can encrypt. (The default id is the DSA key number.) Neither of
> them have the authenticate box checked. Is this my problem? And if so,
> how do I overcome it? Should I just generate a new keypair and use
> different settings?

Richard, whatever might be the case, and your DSA key certainly is not
the reason, you should anyway make a new -- but an RSA -- key, of at
least some honest 3072 bits, since DSA keys are not safe as they were
once (upon a time) and hence should be gradually withdrawn from (active)
cryptographic life.

On how to make easily and quickly such a key (using GnuPG) you have
instructions here, if you need them: ,
"2. How to make a key in GnuPG using command line".

Since these instructions are based on mainly default values, if you want
to enable the "Authenticate" function, just toggle the "A" value, when
these values are offered.

   *

As for the inconsistent work of the crypto "band" the members of are
here TBat, WinPT and GnuPG, I suspect that WinPT is the one that is
causing it. Its author also himself hints (on the other list) that it is
the possible reason, due to certain incompleteness of this software. Try
GPGShell instead and I think you'll not have such problems anymore.

   *

As for The Bat, in this, crypto, regard, it also is not quite
"complete", despite its very good (one of the best) integration with
GnuPG, and although it makes no problem in this particular case you
describe it should be "corrected" at least as for the list of keys it
offers, the list that is "filtered" after the addresses of particular
account and thus very annoyingly limited. _All_ the user's keys being on
his key-ring(s) should appear and be at disposal on such a list,
regardless whether the addresses in key IDs correspond to the actual
account we work at the moment or not, or whether these IDs have some
email address at all or not.

The ways user uses his/her crypto software must not be limited in any
way, particularly not by a "third" applications, like mailers are and
similar (since they have absolutely nothing with the ways crypto
strategies are applied and _must not_ interfere and tinker with it) and
the said conception is long since outdated, very limited and rigid,
being thus not very merrily functional.

To the correction like this should be given highest priority, after the
level of its essential importance of course, not after "popularity" some
"wish" is rated, that is after the number of members who "vote" some
less or more idio...matic (and often quite redundant) "feature" for.

This is the reason why I myself do not take part in any "whish list"
creation, since such conception (based on the numbers and not on the
essential sense) makes no any functional and serious sense and is thus
pretty much useless and resource wasting.

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