Re: PGP-signed messages
Richard H. Stoddard @ 2006-10-26 7:53:11 PM "PGP-signed messages" > However, for your message I still got the message that the public > key wasn't found; perhaps I should have had it check more > keyservers. My public key is available via (at least) blackhole.pca.dfn.de. For some reason, it has disappeared from keyserver.pgp.com. I'll add it again. I've also sent it to you via PM. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. I just found the last bug. pgpk1EP1Vzl9t.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP-signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Mica, Friday, October 27, 2006, 12:00:52 AM, you wrote: MM> Shortly said and simplest, Bat still cannot handle properly such MM> type of PGP/GPG signature, and it is already a very long time MM> present and not fixed problem, so I suppose it is something that MM> exceeds the current creative capacities. I finally did get it to work, at least for the moment. Its integrated gpg also now works for signing messages, at least for the moment. I guess part of the problem is having switched over from PGP to GnuPG "on the fly" and not had the time to sit down and RTFM as carefully as I should; I just haven't found one specific guide that covers all aspects of gpg and front-ends like gpgtray. Oneof these weekends, maybe... Thanks again for your help and sympathies. - -- Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFQVnlAAoJELf6ImSjvaeWMmQP/1w9HGwvp3uo+L1K5BzIYIG/ uDK2y41qFF/I8dFXckr6SUavfU155f8wqjbop4KB/oXnhllY+W6CekQTG5NxnOj3 11JG/CgDUIgg8sEyVHZGZVScWeGld57d5JeuTiFhldu1qGaVwgZsmdBsg+zVwmre QUQ0HEvGWo3XFKEotjFyqFPYRnzQh7TEpbsxBke9HVu7ry5XUj1FN5Aap6Kv5L7G vBU0CtqJIYl4rpObBuVDD4I0AR3ET23+wce5VViDQGcRqdpCDD3RY44jncc3DpVo w2CWnIjVgcYtNLaLmbCWBbMDz9iE3IL9e0xiilZoccyouIPnKrM2wPosvAOVCHWU E81QMM6k9jRKxgudoeTdfC+GjH6Juwgs3UrpIRlD13UKUKWAIdw8UoSWj2gYuvzI DLfF0NfbQzxMX6CyjIXCIJJaBr5LIYfbM1u6JVAIeK9rC8v886Hud7WK9AqsQu2X pCve0Ln3tLfmEvl1Ya29mXOouKd3clfNQwT4y8lagZBAXP9PWUMXqRzNqSCsrUv7 uQFwajkwd8oYXEoooUIWE8/h4j6KS0fO+/+PPihwk8UvLwNx3gdGNbgtFuALmsCA BnJ5H45MC1zGI5GUxByTQuPo9LzTVrAh41DhCAv9FrVg1UeN7bCvmG6XmHHXr2JL QLtdlTCEwiCZBVtz63xF =gqjc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP-signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Chris, Friday, October 27, 2006, 5:00:32 AM, you wrote: CW> Richard H. Stoddard @ 2006-10-26 9:53:51 AM CW> "PGP-signed messages" >> However, I've noticed some have the icon, presumably indicating it's >> been signed, but there is no "begin" and "end" tags, and if I click >> on the icon on those messages, I get the message there is nothing to >> verify/import. Is this a bug in TB!, or is there something I can do >> to display the signature for checking? CW> For example, this message is PGP/MIME signed. You shouldn't see CW> the signature data unless you look at the message source. However, CW> in the message list, the envelope should have a little icon on it. I tinkered with settings on GnuPG and gpgtray some more last night, and it'll now check when I click on the icon. Obviously using gpgtray there is nothing, but TB!'s integrated gpg will check. However, for your message I still got the message that the public key wasn't found; perhaps I should have had it check more keyservers. - -- Thanks, Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFQVhyAAoJELf6ImSjvaeWNEQP/1Z/vQ9S3TCUKT+cWXoixnYg LHlXUyW6aei+gGhRSURGKdz29NnwXIw/+xnH2FMxmZPERhBTpXYD053p3S+G0KVN zAyniZVi9Hag354BlM0jd45Lnr3ib88hYtUzHGcYi/AE6fnFd8LT9PxZYZvv212o 6Y1RIIaIJOrqx201s52HUSLHROfhq7XjKeCddp31ynYAqAlBOzENnJ6qISuN8hUJ 0AxRhbhhwZFIUCivaKNC0ljS7Oq4QqCzFKKxFTvA8QnzPwL6ndITPtpCEwtB+GuH 08WbnEjoD40FuVsHdUdAJkUwvDQlWVczrqpY2iTzYD3i06UPyJRLRd+QKuBrLzi4 fxyc2ffufxec2Yqoau+uRh2EUzfarLfL4j2SOlXwYwDTTo10jDuOjRpIb1Jr6t5h WtGn2nc+x3psgixUurEj1GZ/sreq7QaJuFv/w6qTnE9emQuXv7RfmOTu0AERD/eV viDCCsg/xe1PIuN2V3zR5yzgsCa9aLiDhbnRKqQq4IpPkb1MpWbGSIeYZas38FRo y1fTOQMoMAtZs8yw3ABa2xzpxYk8f2yJOoxL7BNKDDem0F163mCD/O9FQTATJgIe 8FyhYRLcz4O0TK5+JLYvheW0KS8K+7sGyxGlKlHB+N0yOZQJqzflK3tIooPve/Yy MJifMj31JkbzPsihPeOJ =d8zc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Madness in my head or are filters vanishing?
Howdy MAU, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 6:57:53 PM, MAU wrotened: > Hello Benedict, >>> I am certain I created a set of filters - some of which I am certain have >>> just disappeared - things that used to be filtered to various boxes have >>> suddenyl stopped being filktered. >> >>> Anyone suffering from similar symptoms? >> >> My tbudl filter has dissappeared completely from the sorting office... >> yet it still works go figure... > Don't compare apples to oranges ;) He's using a release version and you are > using an ALPHA. Am posting with the Alpha. Have tested with the latest release too... -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 God creates dinosaurs. God kills dinosaurs. God creates man. Man kills God. Man creates dinosaurs. Dinosaurs eat man... Woman inherits the earth. (Jurassic Park) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP-signed messages
Richard H. Stoddard @ 2006-10-26 9:53:51 AM "PGP-signed messages" > However, I've noticed some have the icon, presumably indicating it's > been signed, but there is no "begin" and "end" tags, and if I click > on the icon on those messages, I get the message there is nothing to > verify/import. Is this a bug in TB!, or is there something I can do > to display the signature for checking? I've never encountered this error myself. Are the messages PGP/MIME signed? For example, this message is PGP/MIME signed. You shouldn't see the signature data unless you look at the message source. However, in the message list, the envelope should have a little icon on it. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together. pgpSpREmofwFd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google mail certificate not in address book
Hello Marten, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 4:53:51 AM, you wrote: > If there is anyone out there using TB to collect their Google mail through > a POP, could they look in thjeir address book for the CA certificate and > presumanbly, it is possible, let me have a copy of it to put in mine so I > don't get mail collection held up everytime TB checks for new mail? Check the CAs in your address book. Do they have the certificate in the Certificates tab? If you've restored your address book they may have disappeared. If they're gone you can recreate them. This is what I did in Voyager: -quit Voyager -rename MAIL/RootCA.EBD to MAIL/RootCA.EB -restart Voyager (Thanks to Vili for the steps.) -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.86.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re; Running The Bat! on Mac OSX
> Monday, October 9, 2006, Granville Cousins wrote: >> I have a Mac G4 Powerbook running OSX. Is it possible to run The Bat! >> on this machine with the help of some emulation software. > What about Wine? > http://darwine.opendarwin.org/ Granville, did you try, did it work? I have a MacBook and also would like to move TheBat! to it and use it as the main mail program. Right now I am working with it on Boot Camp and it does fine there, but I would prefer to use TB! on the Apple side. -- Elaine Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 1:49:20 PM, you wrote: LG> Hello MikeD, LG> Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:48:56 AM, you wrote: >> I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. >> Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are >> using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because >> it is easier than doing it right LG> :( Agreed. Makes me want to go have a few beers... You coming? On my way! Do they have Guinness on tap? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
On 10/26/06, Perry Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Joe, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 11:40:06 AM, you wrote: J> But you've made me change direction, that's for sure. There's no way J> I want to go through all that. Well, that wasn't my intention in all that verbiage. What I described is the "normal" process of problem solving in a tech center. Most problems are resolved in the first few troubleshooting steps, so many of them are resolved on the first call and in only a few minutes. However, your strategy of seeing whether the problem goes away or gets worse isn't a bad one. As Alexander says in his response to your message, it may clear up on its own, and since it seems to be occurring only with one contact, it won't totally disable your ability to use The Bat! Good luck in any event. Thanks, Perry! I found a penny today in the parking lot, so maybe that's a good sign? -- Joe Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
On 10/26/06, Benedict Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Howdy Joe, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 4:45:10 PM, Joe wrotened: > But I'm taking the cowards way out this time. Well if you can live with the problem i guess thats ok then. Again, I don't really know yet what the extent of the problem is. It's only happened with one company. So far. I don't normally send e-mail to companies (which are more prone to retain the services of companies like SORB, etc.), so it may never happen to me again. And I've got a work-around for that company that's pretty easy to use. So...I'm going to cross my fingers and hope for the best. Cuz I'm a chicken. :) Anyway, thanks again for all the information! -- Joe Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP-signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ."_)~~ ~( __ _"o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 26 Oct 2006, @ @ at 19:53:51 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: > When I receive a PGP/GPG-signed message, there is the icon in the > upper right which can be clicked to verify the signature. Most such > messages then begin with the following: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > However, I've noticed some have the icon, presumably indicating it's > been signed, but there is no "begin" and "end" tags, and if I click on > the icon on those messages, I get the message there is nothing to > verify/import. Is this a bug in TB!, or is there something I can do to > display the signature for checking? Shortly said and simplest, Bat still cannot handle properly such type of PGP/GPG signature, and it is already a very long time present and not fixed problem, so I suppose it is something that exceeds the current creative capacities. This however is not a reason for us to get sad, for we can enjoy in other aspects of the united collective efforts, like watching the amusing and of higher priority work of MUFF (Ministry of Useless Funny/Fine Features, Department of Silly Wishes), recently even o'fishelly established, to give a touch of seriousness and glamor to the random play of the remaining handful of sharp although a discrete bit cross eyed gray cells. If I am wrong, I, of course, apologize, what else. Anyway, the safest way to sign a message in Bat is therefore by using the "clear signature" (when the part "-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" is visible). File fine and may the Force of Patience be with you, the Bat Explorer. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo & Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 <>o<> tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRUEF4rSpHvHEUtv8AQjUrAf9HH5tQ82Kp4Tq329aUTWMFBTCsH1cE0f3 YnXfKtqCXGaAjDeY7vL3HKHGRI2ygGo/VNdqIM577gcmNd1gDn+sQUszvweRDavr COM3nwb685kEIdhb1lFR4Q/TGsEF8PzZ/7qS8j+FGtgi/6se3j6CdbgU4lRbRNol O4RlyxclsXTwYnOR2IOFV0Fb4q4JyQQde7ndVOk85GDVB4/sPgayK6zW6UdjLJmC I5Uf4NGSDtjELH4jlEhMo0oWUmkmKEKWGosogB53SpY+5e3fwqLrnrVGA344Samg MafDEO1Jtv1gbB811CvvoGQuTO6oc8Cz1pZdyuW8TE3kXXskVraCTw== =gG0T -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Peter, M>> Some 5 years or so. It is a Dell PowerEdge 500SC with an 800 MHz Celeron M>> processor and 128 MB RAM. > > Not bad at all. My email sw is running on a Pentium I / 64MB / > MHz, works just fine ;) > Sure it works. My previous 'server' was an older and slow Acer laptop with only 64MB and a scratched screen. But it finally broke :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Madness in my head or are filters vanishing?
Hello Benedict, >> I am certain I created a set of filters - some of which I am certain have >> just disappeared - things that used to be filtered to various boxes have >> suddenyl stopped being filktered. > >> Anyone suffering from similar symptoms? > > My tbudl filter has dissappeared completely from the sorting office... > yet it still works go figure... Don't compare apples to oranges ;) He's using a release version and you are using an ALPHA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT: Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello MikeD, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:48:56 AM, you wrote: > I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. > Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are > using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because > it is easier than doing it right :( Agreed. Makes me want to go have a few beers... You coming? -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons & Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Leif, I don't disagree with anything that you said ... in theory. Unfortunately in practice it seems that more and more folks are using things in the most simplistic, least responsible way because it is easier than doing it right We are devo :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Thursday, October 26, 2006, 10:08:17 AM, you wrote: LG> Hello MikeD, LG> Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 2:01:58 PM, you wrote: >> When you miss that important email because it was sent from someone >> that was blacklisted incorrectly, I will remind you of those 600 >> other messages and ask you which was more important, the one or the >> 600 LG> And that'd be poor use of services like Spamhaus and DNSbls. They are LG> a tool, not the end-all-be-all. If someone is using these services as LG> a pass/fail, then they're doing it wrong. The right way is to add LG> "points" to a spaminess score. i.e. if an e-mail comes from an IP LG> listed on one of the services, it get's some points added, but if it LG> meets absolutely no other spam criteria, the points it received on the LG> DNSbl listing alone *should not* be enough to classify it as spam. LG> The whole issue about a U.S. court potentially "trying" to shut down LG> the Spamhaus domain wouldn't have been quite as catastrophic as they LG> tried to lead everyone to believe. Yes, there would have been problems LG> on mail servers where the mail server admin didn't have a clue and LG> Spamhaus was a pass/fail measure, but the big mail handlers (big ISP) LG> wouldn't have gotten nailed anywhere near as badly. >> I really hate it when my ISP decides to reject some email that >> *they* think is spam but is actually real and sometimes important. I >> currently have everything they offer disabled and rely on the >> plugin. That way I get all the messages. LG> I use Gmail and allow them to run their spam filters. However, I still LG> check the messages from time to time. So far Google hasn't made any LG> mistakes with my e-mail. Unlike Comcast who castrated *all* my e-mail LG> for basically four days in a row. >> Can you tell I don't like the black list model? LG> It can work provided the e-mail admin really understands how to use LG> it. They are *not* a silver bullet. They are just one more tool in the LG> arsenal. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Madness in my head or are filters vanishing?
Howdy Marten, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 4:48:05 PM, Marten wrotened: > Could I be losing my marbles, going soft in the cerebral department- or > might I be suffering from randomly disappearing filters? > I am certain I created a set of filters - some of which I am certain have > just disappeared - things that used to be filtered to various boxes have > suddenyl stopped being filktered. > Anyone suffering from similar symptoms? My tbudl filter has dissappeared completely from the sorting office... yet it still works go figure... -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Therapy is expensive. Popping bubble plastic is cheap. You'll see. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hi Joe, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 11:40:06 AM, you wrote: J> But you've made me change direction, that's for sure. There's no way J> I want to go through all that. Well, that wasn't my intention in all that verbiage. What I described is the "normal" process of problem solving in a tech center. Most problems are resolved in the first few troubleshooting steps, so many of them are resolved on the first call and in only a few minutes. However, your strategy of seeing whether the problem goes away or gets worse isn't a bad one. As Alexander says in his response to your message, it may clear up on its own, and since it seems to be occurring only with one contact, it won't totally disable your ability to use The Bat! Good luck in any event. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Howdy Benedict, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 5:09:14 PM, Benedict wrotened: > Howdy Joe, > Thursday, October 26, 2006, 4:45:10 PM, Joe wrotened: >> But I'm taking the cowards way out this time. > Well if you can live with the problem i guess thats ok then. In fact it sometimes works, ignore the problem until it goes away... -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 What if there were no hypothetical situations? Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Howdy Joe, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 4:45:10 PM, Joe wrotened: > But I'm taking the cowards way out this time. Well if you can live with the problem i guess thats ok then. -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Television: a medium. So called because it is neither rare, nor well done. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Madness in my head or are filters vanishing?
Could I be losing my marbles, going soft in the cerebral department- or might I be suffering from randomly disappearing filters? I am certain I created a set of filters - some of which I am certain have just disappeared - things that used to be filtered to various boxes have suddenyl stopped being filktered. Anyone suffering from similar symptoms? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Joe & everyone else,
on 26-Okt-2006 at 17:40 you (Joe) wrote:
> So I'm going to opt for Plan C ("C" for chicken) - i.e., I'm going
> wait and see what happens next.
Which may very well work. The hostname sounds like Bellsouth has
multiple SMTP servers on which the load is divided. Chances are that on
your next attempt a different SMTP server will relay your message, and
this one may not be blacklisted.
--
Best regards,
Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de)
The doors of Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical: both green,
both beautiful. -- Nikos Kazantzakis
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Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
On 10/25/06, Benedict Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] Speaking from an ISP that currently has one of its IP ranges being affected by a similar issue, and depending on whether Bellsouth maintain their own servers, or outsource them, this problem could take a while to resolve. But I would say its best to report it ASAP, as if the ISP are inundated with similar calls they tend to act a bit quicker, which I would assume may well be happening. Basically be persistent. You have the facts. Keep banging on at them till they fix it. I'm going to opt for chickening out, Ben. Perry's advice convinced me that I'll never get this handled by calling BellSouth. I just don't have the temperament for it. If you ever heard me answering a call from a telemarketeer, you'd know what I was talking about. I'm going to print out this thread and keep it for future reference, e.g., if it keeps happening. But I'm taking the cowards way out this time. Thanks for all the great help! -- Joe Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
On 10/25/06, Perry Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
The first words out of my mouth to them would be "have any other
customers reported their mail being rejected because the SMTP servers
at BellSouth were blacklisted for spamming?" Follow that with Miguel's
(MAU) advice and explanation in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A number of knowledgeable people have replied to you in this thread. I
suspect their diagnosis of the issue is accurate, but it is going to
take more work than it *should* for you to convince BellSouth of that,
I'm afraid.
Wow, thanks for the great information, Perry! All I can say is, it's too
bad that you still don't work at BellSouth! Because then, maybe I could get
this handled pretty quickly. :)
But you've made me change direction, that's for sure. There's no way I want
to go through all that. I just don't have the temperament for it. I'd
probably even cause an international incident. So I'm going to opt for Plan
C ("C" for chicken) - i.e., I'm going wait and see what happens next.
I can live with this one party not being able to receive mail from me from
The Bat. I can use webmail, Google Mail, etc. I also talked with a friend
at the company, and she told me that they were having a few propblems with
their e-mail, but she wasn't sure what they were. Some intra-company mail
was getting bounced, too. So maybe this will be a one-off situation, or it
will "heal thyself" over time, and I won't need to speak with anyone in
Manila, etc.
If I get another e-mail bounced by someone else, I'll try your track. Maybe
after I take some Prozac. *Lots* of Prozac.
Again, thanks for all the great information! I sure learned a lot of new
stuff!
Kindest regards,
--
Joe
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Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Mark, M>> I use an old PC as the physical server, not much power is needed for a M>> few thousand daily e-mail. And for MTA I use Mercury/32, a great piece M>> of software, the best I found at the time and it is free: > M>> http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm > > Thanks! (BTW: what do you call "old"?) Some 5 years or so. It is a Dell PowerEdge 500SC with an 800 MHz Celeron processor and 128 MB RAM. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google mail certificate not in address book
Hello Marten, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 8:30:30 AM, you wrote: > Hmmm - have duplicated your set up exactly but the ame certificate > warning pops up. I guess I have to stop gmail auto-checking > periodically and just do it manually every now and then. My settings are the same and I also do not have any certs in my addressbook. > I don't suppose there's anywhere else you might have the certificate > without realising it is there? Not that I can think of. It's always just worked for me. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons & Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Statistics means never having to say you're certain. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google mail certificate not in address book
> Hello Marten, > Thursday, October 26, 2006, 2:00:23 PM, you wrote: MG>> My settings: ... > Mine: ... > _*You could try gmail.com instead of googlemail.com!*_ > Hope it works! Hmmm - have duplicated your set up exactly but the ame certificate warning pops up. I guess I have to stop gmail auto-checking periodically and just do it manually every now and then. I don't suppose there's anywhere else you might have the certificate without realising it is there? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP-signed messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 When I receive a PGP/GPG-signed message, there is the icon in the upper right which can be clicked to verify the signature. Most such messages then begin with the following: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- However, I've noticed some have the icon, presumably indicating it's been signed, but there is no "begin" and "end" tags, and if I click on the icon on those messages, I get the message there is nothing to verify/import. Is this a bug in TB!, or is there something I can do to display the signature for checking? - -- Thanks, Rick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.52 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJFQMv7AAoJELf6ImSjvaeWJHMP/izOMrEiwmx3FSWSQkZDhCx4 iO4WsI3MuHHtZZW5PfNAfjk1DaLgDkgpBmT5YzANRSN7w4Za600+7EbIRWIEEGtk EdSS4/sl8v56J2yGkDsJ5a79FD5IfwBNdRFyskcre/tcVMO2tMYt5+RCIh6LTOOf T0oUXv3hX1mcAEd44ibypJGy5UfHIUyyZ4cao5+TQ+MY09UsPbJFqVtJWdfExEhD kavu5IVEh0GwOvOE8kTvcVK1/Q2TabjydAbKgDifcVNxiYpZvp1SaRnJt3dHu2P6 qBz74y4zjJzUHfBj9IH0Nm66AR0f80IdwjA1G2IH++FjgH5vx+Fvbpe8T0fssrMB WBuXL4Iq0J0meUEBoFl/x6pw+d4BETNppP3dlCPmGBMDvKmdF1wnGQu5A/nRXEag 0vW+mK+OZHsrPbNjIZ/Xskp4R10GMD1mfBdl4VK/56ZNY+eqYIhSLusLJ8PBHZLg 7TiibWt1ZW6hF5Axei+Z5yW0trwOd9Mkihpv0OY9kITWMHijuUAv9vWj7liSY3ba VYM9vmXGN8fNuZkJ8LI/q6TxZc5ByEFzLD4zcr59HoGnYDAe2zl3TSSkP0Rxia5k psTO1F+UczYX0P/5n/mwPp7WgZONKanj8nrCJqbDPmg5LAOaXOTocRjB21DBv2Qt O+OzeN1LuUbnIfHGaMF8 =CysD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello MAU, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 2:30:00 PM, you wrote: M> I use an old PC as the physical server, not much power is needed for a M> few thousand daily e-mail. And for MTA I use Mercury/32, a great piece M> of software, the best I found at the time and it is free: M> http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm Thanks! (BTW: what do you call "old"?) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.86.02 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello MikeD, Wednesday, October 25, 2006, 2:01:58 PM, you wrote: > When you miss that important email because it was sent from someone > that was blacklisted incorrectly, I will remind you of those 600 > other messages and ask you which was more important, the one or the > 600 And that'd be poor use of services like Spamhaus and DNSbls. They are a tool, not the end-all-be-all. If someone is using these services as a pass/fail, then they're doing it wrong. The right way is to add "points" to a spaminess score. i.e. if an e-mail comes from an IP listed on one of the services, it get's some points added, but if it meets absolutely no other spam criteria, the points it received on the DNSbl listing alone *should not* be enough to classify it as spam. The whole issue about a U.S. court potentially "trying" to shut down the Spamhaus domain wouldn't have been quite as catastrophic as they tried to lead everyone to believe. Yes, there would have been problems on mail servers where the mail server admin didn't have a clue and Spamhaus was a pass/fail measure, but the big mail handlers (big ISP) wouldn't have gotten nailed anywhere near as badly. > I really hate it when my ISP decides to reject some email that > *they* think is spam but is actually real and sometimes important. I > currently have everything they offer disabled and rely on the > plugin. That way I get all the messages. I use Gmail and allow them to run their spam filters. However, I still check the messages from time to time. So far Google hasn't made any mistakes with my e-mail. Unlike Comcast who castrated *all* my e-mail for basically four days in a row. > Can you tell I don't like the black list model? It can work provided the e-mail admin really understands how to use it. They are *not* a silver bullet. They are just one more tool in the arsenal. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons & Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Stock news: Boeing earnings hit turbulence. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google mail certificate not in address book
Hello Marten, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 2:00:23 PM, you wrote: MG> My settings: MG> SMTP MG> Server: smtp.googlemail.com MG> Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS) Port 465 MG> Authentication: Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) MG> Use specific settings: [google email address] + [google email password] MG> Require secure authentication: unticked MG> Use POP before SMTP authentication: unticked Mine: Server: _*smtp.gmail.com*_ Connection: _*secure to regular port (STARTTLS) Port 587*_ Authentication: Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) Use specific settings: User: google email address Password: google email password Require secure authentication: unticked Use POP before SMTP authentication: _*ticked*_ MG> POP MG> Server: pop.googlemail.com MG> User: [google email address] + [google email password] MG> Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS) Port 995 MG> Authentication: Regular MG> Do not store password, prompt on mail retrieval: unticked Mine Server: _*pop.gmail.com*_ User: google email address Password: google email password Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS) Port 995 Authentication: Regular Do not store password, prompt on mail retrieval: unticked MG> Address Book MG> Certum CA Directory: empty MG> Netcenter Member Directory: empty MG> Verisign: empty Idem Dito. _*You could try gmail.com instead of googlemail.com!*_ Hope it works! -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.86.02 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google mail certificate not in address book
> Hello Marten, > Thursday, October 26, 2006, 12:53:51 PM, you wrote: > ??? It works without over here. I suppose you have messed up your settings. > TLS - port 995 - normal authentication My settings: SMTP Server: smtp.googlemail.com Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS) Port 465 Authentication: Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) Use specific settings: [google email address] + [google email password] Require secure authentication: unticked Use POP before SMTP authentication: unticked POP Server: pop.googlemail.com User: [google email address] + [google email password] Connection: Secure to dedicated port (TLS) Port 995 Authentication: Regular Do not store password, prompt on mail retrieval: unticked Address Book Certum CA Directory: empty Netcenter Member Directory: empty Verisign: empty -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello Mark, M>> I also hate my ISP (or anyone) deciding for me. That is why I have my M>> different domains and add my own SMTP/POP server sitting a couple of M>> meter away from me. > > Using (hard & software)? (A short answer will do!) I use an old PC as the physical server, not much power is needed for a few thousand daily e-mail. And for MTA I use Mercury/32, a great piece of software, the best I found at the time and it is free: http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercury.htm -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.85.03 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google mail certificate not in address book
Hello Marten, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 12:53:51 PM, you wrote: MG> If there is anyone out there using TB to collect their Google mail through MG> a POP, could they look in thjeir address book for the CA certificate and MG> presumanbly, it is possible, let me have a copy of it to put in mine so I MG> don't get mail collection held up everytime TB checks for new mail? ??? It works without over here. I suppose you have messed up your settings. TLS - port 995 - normal authentication -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.86.02 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Google mail certificate not in address book
If there is anyone out there using TB to collect their Google mail through a POP, could they look in thjeir address book for the CA certificate and presumanbly, it is possible, let me have a copy of it to put in mine so I don't get mail collection held up everytime TB checks for new mail? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.85.03 with K9 on Windows XP 5.1 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
Hello MAU, Thursday, October 26, 2006, 12:42:57 AM, you wrote: M> I also hate my ISP (or anyone) deciding for me. That is why I have my M> different domains and add my own SMTP/POP server sitting a couple of M> meter away from me. Using (hard & software)? (A short answer will do!) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.86.02 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
