Message Box

[ETM]

Can the message box containing all the folders and
messages be enlarged for more comfortable reading
for old eyes? I have enlarged the font and bolded
it within the messages, but I would be happier
with increased font size in the mailbox itself.

Thanks in advance for your help. Elaine



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Transfer rather than backup and restore

[ETM]

I have a huge amount of mail. Can it be moved from
one computer to another by transferring files and
folders rather than backing up and restoring the
material?

--

Elaine



Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

One problem folder

[ETM]

I regularly compress and purge, but all of a
sudden today, TB! freezes when working with one
folder. I used maintenance to compress/purge about
355 folders with no problems. I have now tried to
complete compressing this one folder and it locks
up the computer every time. I have even tried in
safe mode, no luck.

I also used a fresh download and repaired TB!

Still no joy.

Is there a way to get that folder purged and
compressed?

Elaine




Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Automatic forwarding on deletion

[ETM]

> I checked FOLDER/PROPERTIES/DELETION but the only options seem to be
> moving to a folder or marking for deletion (on compression, I assume.)

I believe you can use Edit when setting up the
filter and forward it before deleting it.
--
Elaine




Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: The RitLabs email address on their website bounce!!

[ETM]

Hello Richard

On Monday, January 5, 2009, you wrote

> I've been trying to send RitLabs an email about
> problems moving from v4.0.38 to v4.1.7, but all
> the email addresses I use just bounce.

> The email addresses I'm having problems with
> are off...@ritlabs.com, sa...@ritlabs.com, and i...@thebat.net .


I think you want a support ticket by registering
and signing in at

https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/ticket_list.php

--
Elaine





Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Storage

[ETM]

> I think you will have just changed the mail directory under Files &
> Directories to the new location, and TB! did the work. Is that
> correct?

> 1TB is mighty much! Until recently, only Nasa and the likes could
> afford anything with a "T" in it. How much did the drive cost in your
> country? I don't think they are even available for mortals over here.


Yes, that worked, the drive is wonderful, I plan
to clone the laptop (220GB) to a smaller external,
then put that aside for insurance, and work with
the 1GB as an extension of the laptop. I bought
direct from Seagate, less than $200US, shipping
free in US, five year warranty. The warranty was
better than other warranties available, the reason
I bought Seagate.

--

Best regards,

Elaine (Alexandria Virginia)





Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Storage

[ETM]

> I have just added a 1TB external drive to my
> laptop (a large one used as a desktop) and would
> like to transfer the mail storage from the
> laptop's C drive to the external drive. How do I
> do that? And then how do I point TB! to the mail
> store?

I figured it out. Thanks!

Elaine

--






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Storage

[ETM]

I have just added a 1TB external drive to my
laptop (a large one used as a desktop) and would
like to transfer the mail storage from the
laptop's C drive to the external drive. How do I
do that? And then how do I point TB! to the mail
store?

Elaine




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Re: Impossible to Deleting messages?

[ETM]

> You can avoid restarting the BAT
> Just right click on search toolbar for example, then 'customize',
> 'Layout' pane, select 'search', then 'change image' and close of th
> windows. The icons rework again.

Thank you. I just clicked on customize and the
buttons appeared. I hope that's all that it takes
hereafter.

--

Elaine




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Re: Impossible to Deleting messages?

[ETM]

I am dealing with the same problem, an inability
at times to delete messages, as a matter of fact
most commands in top menu are grayed out. I shut
down TB and restart. Only thing that is working
for me.

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Elaine






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Re: Mod: Top posting (was: Exception in newest version)

[ETM]

> To find out why these MOD messages are posted to
> the list instead of private mail

Could you point me to the forum,  please?  I
understand there may be more activity there and I
haven't had very good luck obtaining answers here.

--

Elaine



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Google Desktop Search

[ETM]

Is anyone using this plugin with Vista and GDS?

http://vilen.addictads.com/homepage/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=2

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Elaine



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Re: Desktop Search Engines

[ETM]

> I have been using "Google desktop plug-in for The Bat" for quite some
> time:

> http://vilen.addictads.com/homepage/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=2

> Although still an Alpha, its is quite stable and I have not had any
> problems.


Is anyone using it with Vista?

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Elaine



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Re: Two questions.

[ETM]

> 2.  Where is everyone?  Used to be such a busy list, my last received
> mail is only one today and reply, re folders
> disappearing.  Has a new
> list taken over?


I loved and enjoyed the "old" list (even with all
its foibles) and returned to it recently to find
no one home. I understand they are probably on the
"new" forum. I loathe boards and forums so I won't
find out.

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Elaine



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Re: Synchronising my Desktop and Laptop

[ETM]

This is very old mail.  Joyce and I are both
interested for almost the same reasons.  She is
traveling and wants to use her laptop.  I am going
to be using two wireless laptops (one Mac and one
Windows) instead of a desktop.  Do these comments
still apply?

Elaine



From: Allie Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stuart on TBUDL" 
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003, 5:58:29 AM
Subject: Restoring old mail


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Stuart [S] wrote:

S> I have directories on my system with lots of old mail from earlier
S> versions of TB! but these directories are only the MAIL files, the
S> executable and general installation files have been deleted.

   OK.

S> I have a spanking new (well a couple of monthes old actually)
S> installation of TB! 1.62 xmas edition which I use daily. Now I've
S> always been a bit blase with my mail and haven't done proper TB!
S> administered backups. So now what I want to do is access the mail in
S> the old mail folders.

   The following should work:

   If you open Windows Explorer, and navigate to your TB! installation
   directory, you'll find a directory called 'Mail' (unless you've moved
   it to another location).

   Within this directory are other directories. Each of these denote an
   account or a common folder. The account folders have the names of
   your accounts so they're easily noticed.

   Go Back to TB! and create a new account or accounts for the mail
   folders you wish to be able to use in TB!.

   Close TB! and then go back to explorer.

   Copy the folders containing the mail you wish to use to the account
   directory for the account you just created.

   Restart TB!.

   If the folders have not appeared (I doubt they would), hit
   Shift-CTRL-Alt-L. This will make TB! search for lost folders.

S> I have looked at Synchronistaion - but that doesn't work because the
S> actual installation files of the old mail have been removed.

   Yes. This option synchronises one TB! installation with another so
   that the target installation is updated to have all mail/accounts/
   template/address book information etc as the source installation.

S> I have looked at Restore - but that doesn't work because I didn't
S> backup the files with TB!.

   That restores a TB! installation that used TB!'s backup utility to
   create a backup of.

 ==


From: Marck D Pearlstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jon Lawrance on TBUDL 
Date: Saturday, April 27, 2002, 9:52:36 PM
Subject: Synchronising my Desktop and Laptop


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Jon,

@27 April 2002, 20:31:10 +0100 Jon Lawrance wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Is it an easy process to store TB on both my laptop and desktop and
> somehow synchronise the two? Does it work well in practice?

In a word, yes. I use synchronisation to keep up to date between The
Bat! and SecureBat! on the same machine. Not quite the same, but the
principles apply.

Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator
SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2


--





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Re: Archiving Mail

[ETM]

E>> Can you move that archive away from TB! and use
E>> Mailbag to open it, say, on an external hard
E>> drive?

> Yes.

Thanks, I will most likely buy Mailbag.  I am
awaiting delivery of a laptop with Vista, will
upgrade to current TB! on the laptop.  I am using
an older version of TB! on my PC.  I am making an
effort to be ready for the unknown when I start
moving data and moving the old very large (around
2GB) accumulation of mail to the active mail
program is not appealing.  But I still would like
to be able to easily access that old mail.

--





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Re: Archiving Mail

[ETM]

> I think it is clear I was not using the word
> "archiving" as in compression
> tools such as PK/Win/7-zip, Winrar e tutti quanti... :-)


Can you move that archive away from TB! and use
Mailbag to open it, say, on an external hard
drive?

--







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Re: Archiving Mail

[ETM]

> Oh dear! And I thought all the mail I wanted to
> preserve resides in Mailbag
> archives. Not only the the messages received in
> TB! but also in Poco, OE a.o.

What does that mean, does it or doesn't it work as
an archiver?



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Re: Exporting to Apple

[ETM]

RW>> I'm planning on buying a Mac in the not too distant future too and there
RW>> are just two Windows programmes that I couldn't do without which are my
RW>> Diary programme and TB!. I plan on using Parallels to be able to run
RW>> them both.

> I'll probably end going that route as well.


Be certain to try BootCamp first (it may be
installed as part of the next OS) since you may
find you don't need to buy Parallels and will be
perfectly happy with BootCamp (my preference).

--

Elaine



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Re: Exporting to Apple

[ETM]

> Buying (expensive) Apple hardware to run
> Windows (requires an extra
> license) on it just to use TB sounds a little
> bit contradictory to me.
> :-)

Everyone I know is running Apple primarily and
using the Windows for those programs that
absolutely will not transfer but that they
absolutely want.  Many of the people are using
machinery (knitting and sewing especially come to
mind) patterns that won't work anywhere but on
Windows, some are working with employers and must
interact via Windows programming, some certainly
are simply gamers and Windows works better in that
area than does a Mac.

I bought a Mac to get away from DRM.  But I have
NO doubt that I am going to run into hard-nosed
attitudes about DRM on Apple as much as on
Windows.  And I suspect Job is no easier to like
than is Gates .

As everyone will tell you on every single list
supporting Mac/Apple, the Mac's are safer .

--

Elaine



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Re: Exporting to Apple

[ETM]

> I guess this comment means that you already know
> about running Windows on an Apple hard drive.

Mary, most Macs are now intel ready, and the new
OS due out in a few months will probably contain
BootCamp which will make using Windows on a Mac
much easiier than it's been and it certainly
hasn't been all that hard. I've been using Windows
on my MacBook since June when I bought and set up
the laptop.

--

Elaine





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Re: Exporting to Apple

[ETM]

> I will probably continue to run TB! using the
> dual capability of the new Apples. Still, life
> would be so much easier if there were a Mac
> version of TB!.


I do use a MacBook and run Parallels/Windows XP on
the intel ready laptop.  While not my preference,
I don't intend to give up TheBat! and sincerely
hope TheBat! eventually will be made available for
use on a Mac.  Life is easier running the PC for
mail and the MacBook as intended.

Using an export to Unix you can import the unix
mail into AppleMail if you decide to go that
route.  I have decided to use AppleMail only as a
backup mail program and removed the mail I had
transferred there.  AppleMail now handles all my
pop mail from yahoo and GMail and I am temporarily
using dot/mac/com but probably will drop that when
it is time to renew.

Good luck with your Mac, most enjoy them a lot, I
never was all that angry with Gates, but I think I
am tired of the digital rights paranoia that seems
to invade all current internet purchases.  Apple
has not escaped being neurotic about digital
rights and I will soon find out just how it works
there, I just bought the iPod and plan to move
audible books from Windows to Apple, bet I will
run into a few hitches along the way as both OS's
try to cling to their "rights", it will also be
interesting to see how videos/TV shows work on
iPod.

--

Elaine





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Re: Exporting to Apple

[ETM]

> I'll give that a try. I'm going to the Apple store shortly (on a
> "pre-buying" visit, and will ask them to check from their end.

TheBat! won't work with Apple and you are going to
be vastly disappointed in AppleMail.  I continue
to use my PC so I can use TheBat!

--

Elaine





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Re: Google Mail

[ETM]

> I have problems with my new account "Google
> Mail". I don't get mails and I cannot send
> mails. Does anyone have the right settings for
> me by private mail? Unfortunately Google Mail
> don't have the settings for TheBat!

Use the instructions for pop3 mail.  I am using
TheBat! and receiving and sending from four GMail
accounts via TB! -- works for me.  The key is to
satisfy your server so the pop works.

--

Elaine



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Re: Re; Running The Bat! on Mac OSX

[ETM]

> Monday, October 9, 2006, Granville Cousins wrote:

>> I have a Mac G4 Powerbook running OSX. Is it possible to run The Bat!
>> on this machine with the help of some emulation software.

> What about Wine?
> http://darwine.opendarwin.org/

Granville, did you try, did it work?  I have a
MacBook and also would like to move TheBat! to it
and use it as the main mail program.  Right now I
am working with it on Boot Camp and it does fine
there, but I would prefer to use TB! on the Apple
side.

--

Elaine



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Re: SOT: Receiving copies of my own messages to these lists

[ETM]

>> If Gmail has changed its capabilities since 2005, I'm sure someone
>> will eventually correct my information.

> I use gmail for this and many other mailing
> lists and have never had a
> problem receiving my own posts. I have done nothing clever or set
> anything in particular to my knowledge.


I am on a lot of mailing lists.  GMail posts are
not returned by GMail to the specific GMail poster
though all other list mail reaches the poster. The
poster's own sent copy is set into the GMail
thread (but the sender would not receive evidence
that it was was (and when it was) distributed to
the mailing list).

--

Elaine



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Re: insert picture

[ETM]

> When I insert a jpeg in my email and send it to an aol, yahoo, gmail
> or hotmail account, the jpeg do not appear with the text of my email
> but at the bottom (or as an attachment). and i got a symbol instead of
> the picture.

> How can i make sure when i insert a jpeg it
> will appear where it was
> created in the first place.
>  

I don't believe you can alter the way those
servers treat mail.  Many use such servers
precisely to avoid inline surprises.  I left OE
for TB! precisely to avoid surprises in my mail
program.  I use the Bat's plain text viewer. I
rarely ever go to the "picture" tab for anything.
Wish those servers treated me as well. Every
stinking piece of mail from AOL or ones of its
clones comes in as a two-parter, HTML below, plain
text (my preference) for viewing on top. Egads!

--

Elaine



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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

[ETM]

This is the reason that the option even exists under the options menu to
choose to not include TB! as the X-Mailer.

> Wasn't there an .EXE hack for TB! some versions ago, before that option
> made it's way into TB!, that would allow you to do just that?

> Richie

Yes.  I used it.  Someone here was kind enough to
create it for me.

--

Elaine



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Re: ISP's Blocking TheBat

[ETM]

> Can I use a filter to change the x-mail header
> when I send an email to these two people who use
> these ISP's?

> I know under Options / Preferences / General, you can uncheck "Use
> X-Mailer Header in Messages" to remove it
> altogether. Perhaps others
> will know whether you can remove it on a per recipient basis.

I am on a lot of mailing lists.  I finally had to
simply remove it altogether rather than chance
further problems. There are several large servers
that out and out refused to allow my mail through
when it listed TB!.

--

Elaine



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Re: Moving the mail

[ETM]

> Your problems with Parellels intrigues me. I was actually looking in
> that direction.

> Are you running one of the new Intel based Macs? How much RAM are
> you using?


Hi Curtis,

Yes, I have the MacBook, 1GB memory, 100GB drive.
It should perform fine.  I have seen people
suggest on some forums that Parallels is slow. I
suspect that may be what I am running into and
don't realize what is displeasing me, I think it's
a bit clunky and clumsy. Boot Camp does a great
job. It's just the unfortunate business of
rebooting.  However, to give the Mac credit, it
doesn't take all the shenanigans coming up and
shutting down that we are familiar with with
Windows.

This is my first Mac.  I think they've convinced
me.  As long as I could move that mail, too much
time and energy expended there on genealogy
research and associated mailing lists, I knew I
would be happy.  Once that was accomplished most
everything else was bound to fall into place.

I will be leaving some programming I enjoy, and a
lot of it has been freeware.  But with the reboot,
I am not excluded from continuing to work with the
programs while using the Apple to discover what's
out there.  I gave Windows almost half of the
100GB.  As I move more and more toward Apple, I
can downsize the Windows partition and increase
the Mac side.

I think the intel Macs are still evolving and I
hope I didn't buy too early.  I usually don't
replace computers until I have wrung about three
years of hard duty out of them.  Some of the
things I am doing, I suspect, will be built in
before those three years go by.  I think that Boot
Camp might be destined for the next Mac OS.

The current issue of MacWorld has BootCamp
mentioned on cover, but I haven't yet taken a lot
at the article.  You might want to stop by a
newstand and take a look.

--

Elaine





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Re: Moving the mail

[ETM]

> Another option would be to create a backup in TB, install TB on your
> macbook and restore from backup.

Since I regularly back up my mail, I used this
option and the 1.40GB moved flawlessly.

TB! is working well with the MacBook, Boot Camp
and Windows. For those interested, I have not had
as much luck with Parallels, but I do plan to keep
working with that programming.

Thank you all very much also for the help here and
on the forwarding/filtering of individual
messages-formatted digests.  That again works with
the two options ticked (mime and headers) in the
latest version of TB!.

--

Elaine



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Re: Auto forwarding

[ETM]

One digest has automatically forwarded and
filtered to its folder.  The sent copy has
filtered to the recipient's folder and would seem
to indicate that ticking the message headers and
use mime is needed to forward the digests as
formatted.

I will wait for confirmation from the receiver,
but I think the filed sent copy is proof of the
pudding.

Many thanks here!

BTW, I still haven't had the guts to move my mail.
I am split between the PC desktop and the Mac
laptop, working at both .

Elaine





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Re: Auto forwarding

[ETM]

> I've just checked, and it doesn't work for me either. (Checked the
> MIME forward box, forwarded a message to
> myself. The text was copied
> just as in a regular forward.)

> I don't think this can be by design. I think it looks like a bug.


Earlier before signing off for more storms (we
have about 100,000 without power again), I ticked
include message headers and use mime, never
necessary before, I will watch to see if it now
works. Previously as mail downloaded, it
automatically forwarded the digest formatted with
separate message attachments, and then filtered
the same digest to its proper folder. That is what
I seek.  If the format changes to a continuous
message format I will not be terribly unhappy, as
long as the content is all there.

Thanks, Mary.

--

Elaine



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Re: Auto forwarding

[ETM]

> Or, since neither one describes non-functioning of both the
> Specials/Alternate forwarding and of the
> Account/Properties/Templates/Forward--MIME-forwarding check box,
> a completely new Issue Report might be in
> order, with the two above
> links cited as Related.

> If you write a new report, I will put a supporting note to it.


Mary, it works manually, which I  am temporarily
doing (using shift/alt/F5), but my hope is to
return to the auto-forwarding which did previously
work very well.

--

Elaine



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Re: Auto forwarding

[ETM]

> In the Sorting Office entry for that filter,
> right-click the 'forward
> the message' action and select 'edit action'.  There should be a
> checkbox for whether or not to include attachments.

Yes, I understand, and have been doing that, it
still strips the attachments.

--

Elaine



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Re: Auto forwarding

[ETM]

> Sorry for my lack of expertise in this. But since the list is so
> quiet, I thought I'd see if I could help.

Unfortunately, I also tried redirect and it, too,
stripped the attached individual messages.  Ugh.

Good to see you here, Mary.  Happy Fourth!

--

Elaine



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Auto forwarding

[ETM]

I have used auto forwarding of digests formatted
with individual messaging as attachments.  It
always worked perfectly.  That is, until the
recent TB! update.  Now it strips the attachments
and sends the useless digest transmittal page. How
can I correct this.  Should I return to the former
version of TB!?  I am currently using 3.80.06.

--

Elaine



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Moving the mail addendum

[ETM]

The PC and MacBook will both access an external
hard drive for the transfer.

***

I have a new MacBook.  I have installed Windows XP
on the Mac which is Intel ready.  Windows is now
working there.  I want to move my entire Bat mail
system and store of mail to the laptop. Could
someone give me the steps that might accomplish
this as painlessly as possible?

I am using a registered version 3.80.06 and my
last backup is 1.40GB.  I haven't installed TB! on
the Mac's Windows partition pending information on
what all I should be moving to the Mac.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-- 

Elaine





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Moving the mail

[ETM]

I have a new MacBook.  I have installed Windows XP
on the Mac which is Intel ready.  Windows is now
working there.  I want to move my entire Bat mail
system and store of mail to the laptop. Could
someone give me the steps that might accomplish
this as painlessly as possible?

I am using a registered version 3.80.06 and my
last backup is 1.40GB.  I haven't installed TB! on
the Mac's Windows partition pending information on
what all I should be moving to the Mac.

Thanks in advance for your help.

-- 

Elaine



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Re: Apple

[ETM]

> Sunday, May 28, 2006, 6:55:36 PM, you wrote:
>> While you may be able to run TB with the
>> help of Darwine , don't expect too much.

> You may also be able to use Boot camp
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ to set up your MacBook to dual
> boot between Windows and OS X. I understand that it is in beta
> currently but people are reporting that it does work.

Thanks, Paul.  I think it may work.  I've bought a
duo-core MacBook and it should cooperate.  I'm
going to give it the good old college try.

--

Best regards,

Elaine



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Re: Apple

[ETM]

Hello Jernej

On Sunday, May 28, 2006, you wrote

> On Sunday, May 28, 2006, 19:28:28, ETM wrote:

>> I have ordered a MacBook.  Have I lose TheBat!
>> there, has anyone here been successful using it
>> with Apple?

> The Bat! is a Windows program. MacBooks run
> MacOS X, which is almost
> entirely different from Windows. While you may
> be able to run TB with the
> help of Darwine
> <http://darwine.opendarwin.org/>, don't expect too much.


Thanks for this response.  I think I want to
abandon Microsoft totally, will forge on ahead and
hope for the best from the duo core technology.

Regards,

--

Elaine



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Apple

[ETM]

I have ordered a MacBook.  Have I lose TheBat!
there, has anyone here been successful using it
with Apple?

--

Elaine



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Google Desktop Plugin for TB

[ETM]

I have downloaded and installed it.  How does it
work with TheBat!?  Darn if I can figure it out,
see no particular indexing of the mail nor does a
search turn up the results I know are there.

I think the built-in search capabilities are
excellent in TB! but I would sure like to have the
option to use the GDT search functions across the
PC.  Is anyone successfully using the plugin with
Google Desktop?

Elaine



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Re: Need to upgrade?

[ETM]

> Your new license is good for this latest release
> of the 3.xx series.

> And v. 3.71,0 is running well for me on my two POP3 TB! accounts.

I downloaded and had used the trial version when
all these goodies were released.  I will learn if
I ever upgrade again to check to see if something
came out in the 30+days between download/trial and
the payment .

Thanks all.

--

Elaine

What do you do when you see an endangered
animal eating an endangered plant?



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Re: Need to upgrade?

[ETM]

>> Generally I upgrade my software when there are known issues or new
>> features added and occasionally, just because it's there,  but with TB I
>> don't know if that's necessarily the best plan.

> upgrade to 3.71 is recommended because included security fix related to
> "Subject Header Buffer Overflow Vulnerability"
> caused by bug in Delphi.

I just bought up to 3.65.03 after using 2.02.3 for
a very long time.  Are you saying I should be
looking for a newer version already?  I just paid
for 3.65.03 a couple of days ago, went to the
website and don't even see the version you are
referring to.

-- 

Elaine



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Current version

[ETM]

I am using 2.02.3 CE personal edition and have
been very satisfied with it.

I now understand that versions 2x may have an
RFC-822 Mail Header Spoofing Weakness, so I am
considering moving up to a later version.

I am very satisfied with all features of version
2.02.3 CE.  I do not want to be unable to revert
to this version if I do not like the current
version and because I have had luck with Christmas
editions I have given thought to going for v3.64.

How do I try the new version and still maintain an
escape hatch to return to 2.02.3 if that's where I
prefer to stay (spoofing weakness and all)?

--

Elaine



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Re: Current version

[ETM]

E>> Or will I just lose anything newly created in 3?

> Yep, that's what I said. And newly created
> doesn't mean messages. New
> messages will go back.

Thanks, Roelof,

I am researching family (maybe one day I'll find a
cousin or two in the Czech Republic) and so mail
is important and voluminous and also contains
deliberately self-created "mail" containing
research notes.  I like being able to search from
the top down through those folders when I am after
even a tiny amount of information.  So TB! is also
my research file .

Thanks for helping here.  Now, of course, final
question.  Should I go for the CE or final stable
version?

--

Elaine



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Re: Current version

[ETM]

> Quick and dirty? Make a copy of your c:\program
> files\the bat!\ directory Also make a copy of
> TB's part of the registry (Start regedit and
> export: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!
> ) Now update to the current version and play
> with it. If you don't like it, just copy your v2
> copy back and delete
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!  from
> your registry and import the previous settings
> back.

> Your message base, accounts and filters can still be read. Only
> problem is that settings changed to your account and folder
> properties, filters or preferences will be
> set back to before you were
> using v3. (That includes the loss of newly created accounts or
> folders)

I am dealing with close to 400 folders and
associated filters (and a LOT of mail).  Are you
saying I will lose the filters/folders if I try 3
and then revert to 2?  Or will I just lose
anything newly created in 3?

-- 

Elaine





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Re: Displaying HTML

[ETM]

> It is difficult because people are afraid that
> if you and I can download pictures from the
> internet, their mother's PC is in danger. That's
> the only reason for the anti-lobby.

Do mothers use this program?  I'm 70 and one of
the few using it on some very large mailing lists.
Neither young nor old seem to consider the
program, many never heard of it, those who have,
have no interest.  I thought all the senior
mothers/grandmothers/great-grandmothers were using
OE, Netscape and Thunderbird.

-- 

Elaine



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Re: folder corrupted, repaired but msgs missing?!

[ETM]

>> I don't know of any more or less automatic way of recovering the
>> messages from t he BIN file.

> Don't know if this still works, since it's a
> very "old" tool. But you could 
> give it a try:

> TheBat! Message Recovery
> 
> 


Does Shift-Ctrl-Alt-L work for recovery here?

Elaine

--





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Re: Version3 ?!

[ETM]

> i'm not saying ritlabs is wrong. that depends what they
> want. if their goal is to let us walk away, they are
> absolutely doing it in the most efficient way.

I am using 2.02 and had made a decision not to move up when
people appeared to be having problems.  I came on today to a
bunch of disgruntled users who are talking about 3, et al
upgrades.  I don't intend to upgrade if people still are
disgruntled with versions later than 2.  It works for me and
does what I want which is not give me problems.

Would it be unacceptable for TB! to also include just --
followed by a carriage return/linefeed all on its own as a
valid cut mark as well as -- followed by a space on a line
on its own in its tagline?

-- 

Regards,

Elaine
(who hates the perpetual interjections about top and
bottom posting and cut marks)




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Re: Smileys

[ETM]

> And, I beg for pardon, it is really a lot easier to
> understand "GDR" (grinning, ducking, running) than a
> graphical interpretation of it... :-P

I absolutely refuse to see it, I de-focus when it hits my
mail, just as I refuse to hear the phony screams of spoiled
whining children unless I see flames.

-- 

Elaine (a great-grandma)





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Re: AVG Anti Virus plug in not working?

[ETM]

> Not yet Paul.. I too use the free version of AVG and I'm
> not ready to switch just yet.

Nor I.  I don't buy the stories that abound about ALL AV
programs.  Keep them updated, exercise common sense, don't
just open attachments willy-nilly, we've all heard it before
and it works.

--

Elaine






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Re: Gmail import

[ETM]

Hello Ravi

On Saturday, June 26, 2004, you wrote

> Does anyone have suggestions on how to import email from TB into Gmail?

Is it pop3 (or even IMAP), I thought it was strictly webmail
and only read at the website.

-- 

Elaine





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Re: Mod: Cut mark

[ETM]

> --

> Elaine

> 
> Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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I just replied to myself to check and my cut mark did
nothing.  I am going to mention that I have tried the
cut mark in my past life and it did nothing for me then
either.

And I did do a  which is why this
whole scenario irritates me.

-- 

Elaine





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Re: Mod: Cut mark

[ETM]

Marck,

I think you are wonderful, I love TheBat!, but I took one
look at what you sent me and my eyes crossed.  I belong to
approximately 40 genealogy-related mailing lists, all top
posters, all heavy traffic.  I have been here a long time, I
try to read the posts that might involve me, I try very hard
to never ask a question (which reminds me I owe Allie a
thank you for help on IMAP and AOL -- Allie, AOL isn't worth
the trouble ), and I do occasionally answer off list
if I think I have something worthwhile to say.

I am going to go sit and read what I think I need and stop
worrying about posting here because it is giving me gray
hair and at 70 I don't need any more.

My adieu, I hope is a cut mark (and while I do this, why
can't a cut mark be put into the beginning area of the
list's tagline so that always would be dropped in any reply
in any case whether the poster used one or not?)

--

Elaine




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Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Top-Posting and message list)

[ETM]

> Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that
> doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a
> cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since
> at least three lines of text is added to your signature by
> the list server.

Marck, would you please give me a sample cut mark (template?
macro?) for my signature for use only when replying to this
list since all my other mailing lists use top posting and
therefore a cut mark cannot be used since it removes the
post being replied to.  Do I need to call on a signature
block devoted to TheBat?  How would I do that?  Right now,
it is just natural to sign off with two returns and Elaine.
That sign off is manually typed (not a template) in all my
emails and I will omit it here.




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Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)

[ETM]

> I usually read messages in the preview pane. If the height
> of the pane is full with quoted text (i.e. I have to
> scroll down to find the first line of the response) I
> usually just skip that message.

I also read in preview pane making top quoting very
unpleasant and usually qualifying it for an unread
throwaway.

Elaine



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Re: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)

[ETM]

MLC>> Does TB! have no way to suppress quoted text?

> Delete the %QUOTES macro from your reply template.

I think he is after suppressing quoted text in posts
received.  I also very much dislike going through quoted
messaging to get to the response.  I usually read in real
time, remember the original message, don't like it repeated
when I am looking for the response.

Elaine



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IMAP

[ETM]

I do not understand IMAP and so am at a decided disadvantage
right now.  I like TB! and want to use it while considering
a trial AOL subscription.  I would not, under any
circumstances, consider AOL if I had to use its mail
program.

I have been successful in setting up IMAP in Outlook
Express.  I have been successful in setting up TB! for
downloading AOL, but I am unable to send from TB!.  However,
I have absolutely no problem sending AOL from Outlook
Express.  What is it in the settings that I am doing wrong
when attempting to set up TB! for AOL IMAP?

And, do I lose the ability to use TB! filtering and folders
in the IMAP account?

Elaine



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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[ETM]

> Must be XP's restore function intervening.

I use XP and would have to very specifically call on it.
Restore would not happen accidentally without the person
knowing.

--






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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[ETM]

Hello Paul

On Monday, February 23, 2004, you wrote

> I just used F7, searched my recipe folders for "chicken" and it came
> back in about 5 seconds with 105 messages. I only searched the body, and
> only for a one-word search.

I have never had luck searching for more than one word, but
the search mechanism works fine (through single or multiple
folders).

Elaine

If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked?




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Re: Connection Center

[ETM]

Thank you Roelof and Scott.  The connection center is
working but I sure don't think that's the way it looked
before, but I am too tired to remember what it looked like
(or getting too old and this is my first hint of trouble
).

I am going to bed.  Greetings to you both from Virginia USA.

Elaine

DUST: Mud with the juice squeezed out.





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Re: Connection Center

[ETM]

E>> I have lost the bottom window of the connection center
E>> (server, pie chart, etc.).

E>> How do I get it back?

> Push the "Details" button (lower left at the bottom of the panel).

How do you keep it up long enough to do that?  This is
bizarre.  I maximize it and it's just big, I can see mail
(little traffic now) come down but nothing is in the lower
window, clicking on details gives me nothing.

Elaine

I hold it true that thoughts are things endowed with
bodies, breath, and wings. --Ella Wheeler Wilcox



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Connection Center

[ETM]

I have lost the bottom window of the connection center
(server, pie chart, etc.).

How do I get it back?

Elaine



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Re: upgrade: WARNING!

[ETM]

>> Anyone know where I can download v1.62r? I inadvertently
>> kept 1.61 and discarded 1.62r

> http://www.thegoat.net/public/TheBat/

Also at

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/download.html

Elaine





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Re: Christmas Edition

[ETM]

Hello Michael

On Monday, December 15, 2003, you wrote

MT>   Is it just me or are there loads of issues with the
MT>   Christmas edition??? :)

Perhaps an appropriate program at the discount .

Elaine

The big thieves hang the little ones. --Czech Proverb






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Re: The Bat! Ver.2.02 Christmas Edition *

[ETM]

Hello MAU

On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, you wrote

M> I haven't even tried the CE but I don't think so. Al least for me that I
M> have nearly 500 folders. As I have said somewhere else, I think I'll
M> wait for the SE (Spring Edition :)

Thanks, Miguel, I think I also will wait, am sitting on 272
folders, like them the way they are .

Happy Holidays everyone!

Elaine





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Re: The Bat! Ver.2.02 Christmas Edition *

[ETM]

>> Eek! After installing, I had to go through all my folders
>> and completely start over with arranging message list
>> columns, threading and sorting preferences, etc. What a
>> pain. :-(

M> Yeap. TG I found out in time. This is what I wrote yesterday in TBBeta:

Is the Christmas Edition mouse worth doing the extra work? I
would love to get rid of the Johnny Roventini clone.

Elaine




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Re: Backups

[ETM]

MM> Yes, I am missing something. I have just noted that when
MM> I enable "store external attachments in message bodies"
MM> I get a much larger backup - mystery solved.

I went from 395 to 397 MB, not a major difference.  What is
the advantage or disadvantage of the different methods?

Elaine




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Re: Account inbox

[ETM]

Hello Mogens

On Thursday, October 23, 2003, you wrote

MH> Is is OK to use subfolders to the inbox?

I was until I read the admonishment not to use the inbox. So
I have moved those subfolders out as well.  Now I just have
to remember where I moved everything .

Elaine

I envy people who drink. At least they have something to
blame everything on.   --Oscar Levant




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Re: Undo or retrieving deletes

[ETM]

>> I always have to go into "Browse deleted message" to
>> undelete something.

TF> This is what you have to do to undelete messages.

Is this available after trash is emptied, and, if so, where
and how is this done?

Elaine





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Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?

[ETM]

A> It  was,  not  officially,  by  several people on this
A> list . . . in any case:

A> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php

Thank you, done deal, and if Rit is monitoring the list, my
sincere thanks to them as well.

Elaine





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Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?

[ETM]

WH>> I thought 2.01 was already out.

A> I  guess  there  will be a new-er 2.01 build -- 2.01.01 or some thing of
A> the sort? I just copied/pasted what I read . . .

Will the new build be announced here?

Elaine




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Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?

[ETM]

VE> And  what  reason  of  this  blocking?

The accusation is that it is the favored mail program of
spammers.

Elaine




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Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?

[ETM]

GW>>> Thanks again. In 2.01 it's at line 00488380h I haven't
GW>>> hacked a file like that since the days of CP/M and the
GW>>> Kaypro!

JM> I changed the pictures to match the latest version,
JM> Here is also a topic on the board about it
JM> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/forum/read.php?FID=14&TID=724

John, you are a love and I just managed to do my first hex
editing/hacking/whatever .  I believe it is working
and I should forever after be able to reach friends and
subscribers on mailing lists who have the misfortune to use
servers that do not welcome TheBat! (unless they decide they
don't like Rit, then I will return for your help once again
.

Best regards and many thanks,

Elaine

PS -- Is that your mug shot on the Board?




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Re: TheBat! on a blacklist?

[ETM]

NL> I tried sending a plain-text email with no attachments
NL> to me dear 'ol mum and it was bounced several (4) times.
NL> I then sent it from Opera's M2 and it went through fine.
NL> Here is where the url in the failed header took me:

TheBat! is blacklisted by more and more servers.  I am well
aware of the problems since I administer some mailing lists
and my mail is not reaching a number of subscribers.  If it
continues, though certainly unfair, it will be necessary to
leave TB! and use another mail program for most purposes.  I
don't like seeing that happen, but know no other way to
reach all my subscribers.  I have had NO luck with XRay in
attempting to hide the x-mailer.  I simply cannot make it
work with the new version of TB! and XP.  I thought the
latest version of TB! had an option to disable the X-mailer
identification in the headers but I can't find it.  If that
is true, please tell me how so I can become anonymous to the
servers who find fault with this mail program.

Elaine




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Re: Selective restore

[ETM]

PM> I'm not quite sure, because I don't have a TB!-internal
PM> backup. If I follow the Restore process as far as I can,
PM> there's at least an option to select "Folders" only...

PM> If you happen to use Allie's RAR backup, it is easy. Unpack and select
PM> any single item to restore.

Thanks for answering, Peter.  I was able to selectively
choose the account (which I am shutting down) so the restore
feature was used selectively for that account.  I'm not sure
if I could have only gone for one folder but I have
accomplished what I wanted, recovered the folder I was
after, now I have to go about deleting what already was
deleted or moved on that soon to be gone account .

Elaine




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Selective restore

[ETM]

At some point during a clean up and move of mail from one
account to another, I have managed to dump the contents of a
folder.  It's not the end of the world, but I would like to
have that mail folder if possible.  Is there a way to do a
selective restore, just going for that one folder in the
backup?

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business -- Return to lower version

[ETM]

> Just as a wild guess, think I may have mentioned it
> before, have you considered that it may be something Yahoo
> is doing to you?

It's happening in the mail program, Mary, not after the
send, or at least that's my take on it.  It's in my sent
folder with those miserable  in it.  And it remains
inconsistent.  I use TB! to mail via yahoo, currently going
out via cable, but it has been tested via dialup.  However,
none of this occurred until just recently (as in version 2?)
and it appears to occur before sending though not noticeable
to me as I delete the material in the yet unsent email.

I am mentally ticking off things I could not give up.
Redirect, unbroken urls, fairly consistent posts as
formatted and sent from my mail program, all very important
to assisting newbies to genealogy and computers.  But the
hassles with HTML and now this is making some other options
attractive.  It's a darn good thing I like those three BAT
functions VERY much because someone who turn 68 in five days
has far better things to do with the days left in her life
than mess around with misbehaving mail programs.

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business

[ETM]

> Actually, I have found that both registration codes are
> kept in the registry, saved as SoftwareRegistrationId and
> SoftwareRegistrationId2. I can switch back and forth
> painlessly. Is this just me, or have other people been
> having problems with this?

Correct.  I did not have to reenter the registration.

Elaine

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.
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Re: What is the messy business -- Return to lower version

[ETM]

The mess has occurred again even though I have backed down
to version 1.62.  I'm giving it all to you.  Can anyone make
any kind of guess about what is going on here?  Again, what
I have done is scrolled through extraneous material,
taglines, signature blocks, highlighted, deleted.  That has
been replaced by the ### business.  It does NOT happen
on all of my replies.

Elaine

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No, protection against trojans is only available through
specific trojan (remover) programs.  I use BOClean (as do
many others here) and I also have used TDS3 which I also can
recommend.  To my knowledge there are no free trojan remover
programs.  They all cost money.  They run all the time when
installed on a computer.  BOClean caught one attempt on my
system and removed it last night.  Our AV programs do
nothing and usually know nothing nor are programmed to do
anything with trojans.  I do notice that my Norton Firewall
makes an effort to keep trojans out.  One slipped through
last night, most likely my fault, and was cleaned and
removed.

Elaine

Underneath this flabby exterior is an enormous lack of
character. --Oscar Levant

Hello reddyhezzy

On Saturday, October 4, 2003, you wrote

> I have Windows98.  I run my AVG daily, updating every other day.  Would this catch 
> trojans?  Or do I have to do something special, and if so, with W98 what do I do?
> Thanks, Jackie



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Re: What is the messy business -- Return to lower version

[ETM]

> If I'm reading you right, you don't see any folders (with
> mail) when you start TB? Did you try pressing
> Ctrl-Alt-Shift-L when the focus is on the account tree
> pane?

Thanks, Roelof, I did finally get that to work after
shutting TB! down several times.  I am keeping fingers
crossed the rest of the version back down works fine.  Of
course, I am resetting filters for 240 folders that didn't
appear to transfer .

Thanks again for responding.

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business -- Return to lower version

[ETM]

Okay, originally control/alt/shift/L wasn't doing it. But
after a couple of shutdowns, it seems to be working.

I may return with more questions as I continue in this
return to version 1.62.

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business -- Return to lower version

[ETM]

I have gone back to 1.62 (over version 2), I can see the
various mail folders in TB!'s program file, I can't get them
back into place. Can someone help me return that mail to the
active program?

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business

[ETM]

> Thanks, Allie.  Did the Alt-X, we'll see what happens.

Allie,

Alt-X does not keep the folders in place.  They continue to
pop back to wherever ...  I am not sure if it is creation
time that is setting them in place, I am so tired of it all,
I no longer remember.

Please tell me how to eat this version and drop back to the
lower version.  I have neither the interest nor the
personality to deal with beta-style problems.

Elaine

I never lecture, not because I am shy or a bad
speaker, but simply because I detest the sort of people who
go to lectures and don't want to meet them. --H. L. Mencken
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Re: What is the messy business

[ETM]

> You hit the name column and select ok to making TB!
> process the ordering. Have you then tried just hitting
> Alt-X to make TB! exit and saving the settings, then
> restarting TB!?

Thanks, Allie.  Did the Alt-X, we'll see what happens.

This is the template for my replies:

%SINGLERE%-
%WRAPPED='%COOKIE="C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\cookies.txt"'

Hello %TOFNAME

On %ODATEEN, you wrote

%Quotes

Do you see anything there that might be causing the 
business?

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business

[ETM]

> Very strange.

> How does the message in your sent folder look? Are you
> seeing this after hitting the reply button or are your
> recipients showing you what is happening when they receive
> your messages?

Allie, it's on my copies of sent mail, I never noticed it
until I saw the posts to the mailing lists and returned to
check the sent versions. I do not recall it being there
while editing/removing the extraneous from the bottom posts.
Since it's on sent mail, I have to assume it is a problem in
version 2. I also cannot make the accounts hold the order of
the folders (alphabetical). They keep jumping back to what I
think may be the order of creation. I'm going batty with
these recent aggravations.

Thanks for stepping in here.

Elaine




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Re: What is the messy business

[ETM]

> I assume you mean the below.

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> And since we've tested, please, no more top posting to the
> TB lists.

Your wish is my command on this list.

THIS mess never happened before, and it has ONLY happened
since I upgraded to 2 and it has happened on at least one
mailing list, I haven't checked others (ALL my mailing lists
save this one are genealogy-related and ALL use top posting
so this type of thing will OCCUR a LOT if I insist on using
this version IF that is the reason for the problem) and was
on ALL distributed subscribers' mail (so is not a single
fluke), and it has happened in private email to others.

If this is coming from some mess in version 2, I'd like to
know how to drop back from what I just paid for, because it
may not be working right for me.  If you all feel it is NOT
happening because I am using version 2, why do you think it
has suddenly started happening?  I've been using TB! since
the Fall of 2001 and this has NEVER occurred before.

Elaine (a very upset top poster)




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What is the messy business

[ETM]

Below is an example of what is occurring where I have
deleted extraneous material.

What is doing that?

Elaine

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Those were war years. Are you sure about the state?

Elaine

I care not what others think of what I do, but I care
very much about what I think of what I do. That is
character! --Theodore Roosevelt

Hello Hsachet

On Friday, October 3, 2003, you wrote

> Hello to all,   I have a question regarding sources.  Are
> there circumstances when death records can be excluded
> from public records? I have been exchanging with an out of
> state friend who has some records for a couple including
> residence in 1945, an ssdi death record.  I have been
> unable to find death records for either, or listing in
> city directory for 1944.  I used the filmed state  death
> records, not on-line records. It sounds like give-it-up
> time, but I would like to know for future questions if
> there are legal loop-holes.  Helen in  Oregon


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Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading

[ETM]

I am going to tag onto this message hoping a problem will be
recreated.  I am involved with a great many lists in which
top posting is the preference (ignore that fact for now, I
am aware of your views here).  As a top poster, I leave most
of the old message beneath my message, but
scroll/highlight/delete junk like signatures and taglines. I
am going to do that here to see if something that is
occurring on other lists is recreated.  If it is, HOW does
one prevent it?  If it is not recreated with this message, I
will send through a copied example.  Sorry for the intrusion
into this thread.

Elaine

If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

> Hello Leif,

> Friday, October 3, 2003, 4:38:41 PM, you wrote:
LG>> As for why you (Pranav) believe the list is rude and unfriendly,
> 

> I think you wrongly address Pranav for stating the list is
> rude and unfriendly. 






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Re: Bayesian filtering products roundup: WAS Re[3]: Fwd: Re: Spam

[ETM]

I also was using K9 with the lower version of TB!

Elaine






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Re: new mail at top/bottom

[ETM]

>> That's funny.  I *LIKE* returning to the last message
>> viewed.

> Indeed. Returning to the last message viewed allows me to
> leave a folder to look at something else, then return and
> pick up where I left off.

I like the option as well, but I compact every night before
signing off.  Alas, my place is lost when I open up the next
day.

Elaine




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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[ETM]

> knowing that email can be blocked because of it certainly
> can't help sales. The Bat! is powerful enough to do many
> things, having to run a utility like Xray to ensure your
> mail gets through, seems an unnecessary burden on the user.

A very hearty Amen!

And it certainly does not enhance The Bat!'s reputation when
I have to switch periodically to Outlook Express to reach a
subscriber to my mailing list.

Elaine





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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[ETM]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, you wrote

> Hello Peter,

> Monday, September 22, 2003, 8:21:05 PM, you wrote: )

> I've not been able to get them to work with the X-Mailer header.

PM>> You can do this with X-ray too. And it doesn't PM>>
interfere with K9 because PM>> it is related to outgoing
(SMTP) traffic, whereas K9 observes the PM>> incoming (POP3)
route. :-)

I have about given up.  I cannot make Xray take out the
miserable x-mailer header.  For the one subscriber on my
mailing list I have set up Outlook Express and will use that
if I have to reach her.  This whole thing is more than I
want to deal with.  I hope Max Terentiev's personal
financial accounts are emptied by someone who doesn't own a
computer and does it all by fountain pen while Max Terentiev
is sending out computerized spam containing phony Bat
headers.

Elaine





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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[ETM]

>> See http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammers.html

> And why oh why do I get a 404?

I did, too.

I also cannot make X-ray delete the X-mailer.  This has not
been my week.

Elaine

Northern Virginia USA

(without power much of the week, dealing with annoying
server techs when powered up, and only last night finally
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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[ETM]

> I now there is no such option. I ran Xray for while for
> just that purpose, but decided that if someone cannot
> receive my mail due to his under-educated postmaster, he
> would have to take it up with him. No Xray on my computer
> any more.

I believe the suggestion was the server might accept TB!
mail when "something" freezes over.  In the meantime they
feel quite self righteous in refusing a "spammer's mail
program". It's pathetic to be stuck between a rock and a
hard place because of all-around arrogant ignorance and not
a hint of budging though their subscriber has done a
yeoman's job of refuting their claims.  I remain totally
frustrated and worry that this is just the tip of the
iceberg as more and more servers attempt to clamp down on
spam.

Elaine





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Re: Getting rid of license type in X-mailer

[ETM]

> Hi Andrew,

> I still use X-ray for it (www.xrayapp.com), but there is a way now in
> The Bat! herself to edit some X-headers. I haven't yet looked for those
> myself. :-)

I am using K9 which works fine for spam, so while xray
sounds good, I think it is more than I want to handle on top
of the K9 filtering, but I would be very interested in
totally removing my header mailer identification. While I
realize TheBat! might enjoy it being there, it isn't working
in my favor when some servers are refusing TB! mail. Does
anyone know if there are options within TB! to get rid of
that header line?  I did some cursory checking and the
ability to delete it appears disabled.  I am hoping I
haven't found all areas for editing headers and that the
option to do so is available.

Elaine




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Filters Management

[ETM]

I have 209 folders with perhaps anywhere from one to four
filter rules per folder.  Is there a way to alphabetize the
filters and is there a way to work with them away from TB!?

I am looking for an easy way out to search, find and edit.

Elaine




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Re: Blocking Bat mail

[ETM]

Hello Marck

On Thursday, September 18, 2003, you wrote

> Anyway, AMS also fakes an OE header, so if this highly irresponsible
> ISP were to block Outlook Express users too, then (and only then)
> would their action be fair and reasonable.

Thanks, Marck.  I had already told my correspondent that her
server techs were on par with book burners and had brains
that required pooper scoopers.  And, without your
suggestion, had asked whether OE also was being blackholed
since all MY spam came from OE users and  .

I shared my original post here with RitLabs.  There's not
much more I can or am willing to do.

Elaine




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