Re[2]: [thebat] Printing html
Friday, February 24, 2006, 12:16:16 PM, you wrote: ASK> Besides that... why are people using email if they print it out eventually? ASK> You could write snailmail letters right from the start. :-) Why, so they can print out their wife's mail. What else? -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "If a man says something in the forest and his wife is not there, is he still wrong?" Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Printing html
Thursday, February 23, 2006, 8:47:13 AM, you wrote: JP> I thought this was resolved earlier, but the problem seems to be back. JP> The font becomes extremely large when printing a html message. A JP> single page became seven pages upon printing. JP> This problem occurred before in this beta cycle and was accompanied by JP> poor displays of html messages. JP> Jon JP> Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Printing html has always been a problem AFAIAC, if the html page has any photo's, thebat locks up for several minutes and then says out of memory. Has done this for several versions. Only about 4 photo's in latest and the largest one is 59K. System has 2G of memory. I have to forward the messages to another address and get it with Thunderbird to print it. I normally view only in plain text but my wife has a friend who thinks red-green-blue text and pictures is the way to go. Oh, those LookOut users! When she gets one like that and I switch to the HTML tab and tell it to print, and if there are pictures imbedded, it goes castors up. My viewer setting is Text and HTML. Perhaps, like most of my "bugs", it is an error between the headphones and someone will straighten me out. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now." Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-spam system recommendations
Friday, December 23, 2005, 6:33:16 PM, you wrote: MG> Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what MG> anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word recommendation? Popfile works well, is also a pre processor and does mail sorting. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Incorrect date on incoming email
Friday, December 16, 2005, 9:10:04 AM, you wrote: DE> I've checked with my ISP and they've told me that the mail is dated DE> correctly on the server. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, DE> how can I fix it? Yes, the last time the battery on my motherboard went dead and my calendar/clock was wrong. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: ssl
Thursday, December 8, 2005, 7:35:27 AM, you wrote: RO> Assign that address to a domain name that matches your isp's RO> certificate (eg mail.isp) in your hosts file. Yes, that works (added it to the 235 lines of anti-ad entries :). Now have to figure out how to make Popfile use it... I suppose I am exposed to my site host changing our IP address but that is fixable with $$$. Thanks and sorry for the reply thing, thought I had edited all that . -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege." Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ssl
I am trying to use SSL for my email. Because my provider's certificate does not match my email address (I don't have my own certificate), thebat will not send/receive with SSL. I get an error message stating the mismatch. In most other email clients, you get a dialog allowing you to accept the certificate anyway. I can't find a setting to allow this. Can anyone enlighten me... other than advice to use LookOut? -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: -=[ Rogues in SecureBat Lite 2.12 ? ]=-
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:46:40 +, Marck D Pearlstone wrote > Then there is something amiss with the filter you have created and > not the system running it. You could paste the filter here or in > TBTech for our advice. There's nothing wrong with TB's > astonishingly good filter system - especially in V3. spoken like a true moderator :) Thanks for your help. The first 2 filters in the account are: (header contains, Action: move) X-Text-Classification: spam (header contains, Action: move) X-Text-Classification: lou Certainly not complex. Most of the time, it works. When it fails no action is taken, it stays in the account folder. Re-filtering will always cause the correct action. There does not seem to be a pattern, although it seems to fail more often if the account folder is open when the mail is retrieved. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Life is tough.It's tougher if you're stupid." Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: Background colors
Friday, June 25, 2004, 10:27:30 AM, you wrote: MR> BTW, this message should be in utf-8, so you can check my assumption on MR> it.. Yes, and thanks for the pointer... it is now doing it my way. I did not realize that it used the HTML editor settings for utf-8 even when you tell it to use plain text editor. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Life is tough.It's tougher if you're stupid." Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: Background colors
Thursday, June 24, 2004, 1:39:29 PM, you wrote: MW> Have you checked Options | Preferences... | Plain Text/MicroEd or MW> HTML/Windows Editor? You can change default text/background there. Of MW> course, this won't work with some HTML messages since the colours are MW> set by the markup. Thanks, even with HTML turned off, the background color changes. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Life is tough.It's tougher if you're stupid." Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Background colors
I am one of those who do not like html, so I just tell the viewer to do text. Other than the spammers who tell me I should get a better reader, I get along pretty well. Except for some email that has headers that force black on white. They always seem to contain something like: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 or Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Is there some way to over ride this (to my choice of colors/font) in TheBat? -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Life is tough.It's tougher if you're stupid." Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: Anti-spam
Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 4:27:30 PM, you wrote: PS> You can use systems like POPFile with The Bat!, but PS> personally I don't see much value in doing so. Filters that sit in PS> front of mail clients (like POPFile) take longer to train and are much PS> less likely to build up a good base of statistics that show what your PS> legitimate email looks like, especially if you don't receive much PS> legitimate email when compared with the volume of spam. At the risk of sounding argumentative, which is not my intent: Any antispam program, plug in or not, has to sit in front of the email, before the mail client decides where to filter it. Popfile is easy to train and here it is running in the neighborhood of 99.5% accuracy. I have magnets set for much of the legit mail which makes it much easier on popfile. I don't bother to check the spam filtered messages for most of my mailboxes, only the business ones and then only occaisonally. I have never tried BayesIt, but will have to do so. Maybe I can get it up to 100%... Being a plug in makes it easier to install and set up, but does not, in itself, affect accuracy. My take is to try them all and then choose. Just my .02 -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) "Life is tough.It's tougher if you're stupid." Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Conection Centre hangups
Friday, March 28, 2003, 2:21:05 AM, you wrote: S> I am having a constant issue where the Connection Centre gets stuck on an S> account, the counter at 10 minutes+ and I can not abort or delete task on these S> accounts and its frozen. The only way I can seem to stop it is use Task Manager S> to close out The Bat all together. I can not replicate this or find the S> pattern, the 30 email accounts it checks are on 3 domains/hosts and sometimes I S> worry that the domains or TheBat gets confused when multiple accounts check at S> the same time (would love to see a "check one at a time" type feature for the S> email checking). Even trying to say "check every x minutes where the x is S> different does not seem to change things. S> I'm using S> * The Bat! Version 1.62 Christmas Edition S> * Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 S> * Norton Internet Security 2003 with spam filter and Antivirus active (and working S> on changing out these) S> * Kerio firewall free edition S> S> Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: S> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html I went through similar but sending... I forget what I did to fix it (I have CRS), but here are the 2 notes I got from support: (I am connecting via ADSL) -- 1. Please take a look at the log - it may give a clue. Press Ctrl+Shift+A to view the account's log. If it does not tell you anything, contact me quoting the log... After sending the log: 2. What is the Connection type setting in the "Options|Network and Administration" ? They should be set to "LAN or manual". If it is set already, check the Network settings in the account properties dialogue.. Cheers, Stefan I don't remember what fixed it, but it came from this so it must have been a network setting. The program was crashing if I tried to abort. It has not done that in months now, except when BellSouth's mail server is down... which is several times a week. Fortunately, I have better mail servers to use. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: how to install AVG .bav for multi-user network
Thursday, March 27, 2003, 10:09:21 PM, you wrote: LG> Do we put the .bav file on Frank and on each workstation LG> try to use "the Add... function in TB's anti-virus menu", as Thomas suggested LG> for Frank? (the real answer is "I don't know") I would think that, if you do options/virus protection and see the proper location for the .bav file you should be OK. I have a test virus file around here somewhere if you want to test it... It is the standard test file that comes with some AV programs. If you want me to send it, contact me off the list at: lou at lous-stuff.com Just put it together with a @, I am paranoid about Spam 'bots. Just say that you want the test virus file sent to you. I do this to protect myself from my paranoid ISP. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to install AVG .bav for multi-user network
Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 5:22:13 PM, you wrote: LG> So, here's the question. Do I need to install the AVG plug-in separately for LG> each workstation? Or do I only need to install it on Frank? Does Frank process all mail for all users and then pass to the workstations? That is, is it a mail server? If a workstation, running TB, pulls the mail from a POP server on the internet, then it should do its own AV. If it only pulls mail from Frank (which has already run an AV email scanner), then it doesn't need to do more AV scanning. We use a mail server (Mdaemon) on a server that processes everyone's email from our ISP but choose to let all workstations do their own AV, using an enterprise AV program. We also use a filter on the ISP's system that blocks all executable attachments and that has eliminated almost all viruses. This particular network does not have any workstations with TB :-( just my $.02 -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: AVG plug in
Monday, March 3, 2003, 3:24:01 PM, you wrote: TC> Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: TC> En relación a lo que Spike en su momento posteó: TC> /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail TC> \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. TC> XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! TC> / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). TC> With vampire you can filter the html using the simple string: TC> "Content-Type: text/html" in the filter. :-) TC> TC> Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: TC> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Yes, with TheBat, you can filter out: Task Control <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as well as vampire. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG plug in
Monday, March 3, 2003, 1:33:13 PM, you wrote: DW> On Monday, March 3, 2003, 6:22:32 PM, Lou Yovin wrote: LY>> I verified that email is set up and working in AVG, and set it to LY>> "certify" incoming and outgoing so I could see if it "works". I do LY>> not see any certification on either in or out bound stuff. DW> The AVG plugin for TB does not currently support certification of emails DW> - this information pops up as part of the installation process. It does DW> still check them, it just doesn't certify them. DW> Certification of emails doesn't make them more secure anyway, & doesn't DW> prove anything much, so I wouldn't worry about it :-) Thanks, I was just looking for evidence that it was really scanning them... I guess I will have to send myself a "test virus". -- Lou Experience: recognizing a mistake the second time you make it. --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG plug in
I have just installed AVG antivirus. I installed the plug in for thebat but it does not seem to be working. To try to tell, I configured it (options/anti virus) and it shows the .bav file. I verified that email is set up and working in AVG, and set it to "certify" incoming and outgoing so I could see if it "works". I do not see any certification on either in or out bound stuff. I had been using Norton and had set the mail server and userID according to the setup for NAV (pop3.norton.antivirus). I put them back to original after removing NAV. Can someone using AVG please point me in the correct direction? thanks. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I want to clarify I few things here
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 7:37:09 AM, you wrote: VBG> and not do that is like saying a car with no heater in the VBG> dead of winter on a 24hr trip is not really necessary VBG> because the cars only purpose is to get you from a to z VBG> (and it is!). Look out, here come the automobile analogy police to arrest you VBG> But you would probably drop dead of the freeze *if* such a VBG> convenience didn't exist... I don't hear much argument VBG> about that... Wouldn't bother us much here in South Florida. Even in our current cold spell, down to 60 last night. I think my point is about spending money for a replacement for something that is already built in to the operating system, or comes with it free. What made me spend hard earned money for the bat? Configurability and the ease of avoiding html and it's evils (not it's eye candy). I also bought Eudora before that and used Pegasus for a while (now that is a well priced program). -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I want to clarify I few things here
Saturday, January 18, 2003, 5:12:56 AM, you wrote: RS> Editing in HTML and sending Emails in HTML is expected in this century. True. Many of us, however, do not want it in our emails, particularly by default. That is what brought us to The Bat. RS> however, do not stamp your feet and send a plain message to friend I have told my friends that I don't read html messages, if it is not in the text it does not attract my attention. I miss all the stuff they don't realize they are sending. RS> potential client. You are correct here. Business mail is business mail and has to accommodate the customer, who is always right. That is why it is important to be able to read html mail from the people who don't know better. RS> Many people like html mail I won't go there... RS> which is why she does not care for the BAT. I don't think that is a bad thing. I would hate for the authors to write BAT for that target user. RS> hoky when graphics com up as square [X] Excellent cue that it is time to hit the delete key. RS> X or flash enable?? I am one of those idiots who does not have flash installed on my machine nor do I want it. Something is in flash? I miss it. I hate it. I hate the bandwidth waste that goes with all of the eye candy. I have ADSL, so speed is not a problem, doesn't mean you should waste it. RS> I think News groups are an important part of an Email client as well. Most of us do, that is why there are special programs like Agent. RS> Again I think a simple switch when installing should nicely take care of the RS> Mr. Text onlys who hate HTML email. News groups are important and so is the RS> ability to edit HTML and receive and display it. It sounds to me like Outlook was designed for those who want a mail/newsgroup/browser program all in one. I hate to see baggage added to TB to turn it into an Outlook Clone. Outlook is not allowed within 100 yards of any of my systems or the systems on the network that I administer. -- Lou --- __@ -- _-\<,_ --- (_)/ (_) Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: e33
Thursday, November 7, 2002, 9:40:24 PM, you wrote: J> Hello Jonathan, J> It was obviously a mistake. I have been sending it to myself, for J> testing purposes and inadvertently sent it to the wrong address. J> My apologies to all. snip Not a problem here, thanks for the wake up call. Glad to see Norton and ZoneAlarm both jump all over it. More fun than the jerk who just sent me Klez. Lou Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB Backup/WinXP ?
Thursday, September 12, 2002, 8:33:26 AM, you wrote: GS> Hello Lou, GS> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, at 10:06:04 GMT -0400 (9/11/02, 9:06 AM -0500 GMT GS> here), you wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: LY>> SysCmdr is not really needed unless you want to boot Linux, etc. LY>> or want to use multiple primary partitions, hiding the unused ones. GS> If I want to hide unused primary partitions, then it sounds like SC7 is GS> the way to go. That would be my choice. On one NT network I care for, I use a "maintenance" partiton to do backups. In that case I use primary partitions for both systems. I have since decided that it is easier to just install the maintenance OS in a logical drive and make a boot diskette in case the primary partition is corrupted. Lots of ways to do the same things, I beleive that my way is "a" way, not "the" way. As someone else pointed out, you can use Linux to control the boot process as well. I am hoping to convert from multi boot systems to using VMWare. Nothing like running XP and Liunux as guest OS's under 2K...Great combo for debugging software. I am about done with my trial version, have to find the money to buy the thing. Lou -- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Backup/WinXP ?
Wednesday, September 11, 2002, 8:49:39 AM, you wrote: GS> Hello TBOT, GS> I'm upgrading my PC to WinXP. I have used Win98 which has a multi-boot GS> partitions. I have basically 4 partitions with the 1st 3 being for OS + GS> Applications, and the last being an Extended partition for data & GS> communication programs such as TB. This way I can Ghost restore my OS GS> &/or data partitions quickly from a working partition stored on a slave GS> drive. The slave drive is turned off in the system bios until necessary GS> use is required. I use System Commander to create multiple boot system. GS> It also provides the ability to have one message DB for my communication GS> programs such as TB. I've used NT based systems at work, but have never GS> configured one since they are already configured. GS> My questions are as follows: GS> 1) Can you create an extended partition in WinXP? Yes, extended partitions are supported. GS> If yes, will the drive always be drive "D"? It all depends... on stuff like which partitions are primary versus logical, on the extended. Example: you have 2 drives and each has one primary and one extended. The first drive's primary will be C and the second drive's primary will be D., etc. If you have SCSI, the letters may be influenced by SCSI ID The good news is that you can override letter assignments in Disk Administrator. GS> 2) Can you create a multi-boot system with WinXP? I probably should ask GS>this question to V-Communications who sells System Commander, but GS>maybe someone here already knows the answer. Yes, for Windows OS's. No matter where you install NT, the basic files are installed on "C:" along with a file named boot.ini. Boot.ini will control multi boot. SysCmdr is not really needed unless you want to boot Linux, etc. or want to use multiple primary partitions, hiding the unused ones. I use SysCmdr to dual boot Linux/Windows, but allow boot.ini to control which flavor of Windows. SysCmdr will do it all if you want it to. GS> 3) If #1 & #2 are yes, then I should be able to install TB onto the GS>extended partition. This was the same way I installed on Win98. If GS>you have ideals as to what maybe a better configuration, I'd GS>appreciate your feedback. Yes, but are you confusing logical versus extended partitions? An extended partition does not get a letter at all. It houses logical partitions that do get drive letters. Most of the time, people make one primary partition and one extended partition that contains multiple logical partitons. GS> With my present configuration when it is necessary to restore individual GS> files, I just recognize the slave drive in the bios, then reboot & copy GS> individual files. I run AV & AT programs. I periodically scan my system GS> with the AV program, but it is debatable as to the effectiveness of this GS> on trojans. This should work, but NT (XP is a flavor of NT) handles drive letters somewhat differently than W9X. After the initialization, made during install, letters are assigned (at each boot up) according to entries in the Registry, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\MountedDevices combined with "signatures" placed in the boot sector of each partition (logical and primary). This can get a little muddled up if you swap drives around. You will probably be OK if you make sure that the slave drive has drive letters higher than all the partitions on the master drive. we have done a lot of backup/restore using plugable drives without problems. The registry entries remain even if the drive is removed from the system. It will also handle another drive being plugged in. Where it can get real confused is when you swap drives with primary partitions. W2K was easy to confuse, I haven't worked with XP enough to see if they have changed it. GS> BTW, Allie & Marck I double posted to TBUDL & TBOT because I thought GS> other in TBUDL may have an interest. If to much OT in TBUDL just say so. GS> TIA! -- Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
