IMAP: working offline

[Martin Schuster]

Dear List,

The message that appears when deleting the cache of an IMAP folder
(something like "if you modified anything while being offline all your
changes will be lost") suggests that working offline with IMAP might
be possible. However I noticed that when I am not connected to my IMAP
server, deleting messages is not possible.

I know about the basic concepts of IMAP, but was hoping for TB to use
the cache while I am offline and do the deleting of the mails later,
when connected.

Is there a setting to make this possible, maybe?

Thanks,
Martin



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Re: Manual for The Bat! suitable for printing?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Vili,

C>> I'm  just  wondering  if  there  is  a  printable manual available?

> PDF manual for TB:
> http://www.thebat.hu/Download/The_batv4018MANUAL.pdf

Wouldn't have harmed to mention what language that document is
in...would've saved the internet some megabytes of transferred data I
guess.

For the record: the above document is NOT english...


-- 
Martin
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IMAP: delete attachments on server

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I'm currently testing IMAP, and noticed that when I delete an
attachment from a message and then move the message to another folder
the attachment is back there. Purging the folder before moving the
message did not help.

Is it possible with IMAP to delete only the attachment from a message?

-- 
Martin
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Last working version of TB! that does not lose messages

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I am using 4.0.34 as you can see in my signature, and this last MSI
version loses messages when folder properties are changed.

Ritlabs, please advise your customers which version to use (and where
to download it) that does not contain this terrible and dangerous
showstopper!

-- 
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Re: Very annoyed indeed: messages vanished

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Simon,

There was a report that messages disappear when you change folder
properties. The workaround is to not change folder properties until
the next version comes out.

Experienced the same problem myself. Hope Ritlabs uploads a new
install version soon.

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New thread sorting: what's wrong with it? (repost from tbbeta)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Maybe the beta list was the wrong place to post this in the first
step, because it might not be a beta issue...so I try and repost it
here. I have this problem:

> http://www.nachbild.de/temp/tb_new_thread_sorting.png

> I have this list sorted by creation date, with "new thread sorting"
> activated.

> As far as I understand it, that option sorts a thread into the list
> according to its newest item, right?

> As you can see from the screenshot the marked thread is
> clearly not sorted by its newest item, because that item is from 31.07., the
> item below is from 28.07. and the item above is from 30.07. Looks like
> the item used for sorting is the first item, from 29.07.

> Am I sitting on my brain, or what's going wrong there? Seems to me
> this already worked some versions ago, didn't it?

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Re: How to point TB to by Opera browser?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Michael,

> Where do I add the path and application of my browser in TB? I
> really can't see anywhere to change this in TB.

I'd say this is rather an OS setting, which program to use for HTML
protocol links. You might want to check the setting in Opera itself:

Tools -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Programs (on the left) -> "Check
if Opera is the default browser on startup" -> Details

There should be a checkbox at least at:

- HTML- Documents
- http
- https


Hope this helps!

-- 
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Re: Spelling & language settings

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Jenny,

MS>> %LANGUAGE="CSAPI GN"%-

> from the help file:
> LANGUAGE="Language ID"
> Sets the default spell checker.
> Language IDs:
[...]
> GN - German (new spelling)
> GO - German (old spelling)
[...]
> Prefix the ID with CSAPI to use respective dictionaries for the language if 
> they are installed.
> Note: CSAPI is only supported until those dictionaries installed
> with Oficce 97 or one of its component applications!

Yeah, that would exactly match with my old statement:

%LANGUAGE="CSAPI GN"

But as I said: it worked in v3, but it doesn't in v4. That's my
problem.

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Re: Spelling & language settings

[Martin Schuster]

Hello A.Translator,

> Jenny Zonneveld formuleerde op dinsdag :
>> How do I get the language in the template to work

> Change %language="NL" to  %language="DU NL" in your template.

How did you get to know this? As I reported in "Set default spell
check language or use Makro" on TBUDL
(mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have the same problem
with the german CSAPI language...do you have that code too, by chance?

Old one was:

%LANGUAGE="CSAPI GN"%-

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Adress Tab: "Folder" Column not updated

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

When I switch to folder Tab "Addresses" I use a view mode that shows
the column "Folder", so I can easily see where the original file is
located.

Now when I move a message in that view the message is moved, but the
list still shows the old folder in the folder column. That stays
until I restart TB.

In "normal" folder lists (that is, not using the "Addresses" tab) the
folder column is immediately updated after the move.

Hope you understand what I mean.

Any confirmations?

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Set default spell check language or use Makro

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbbeta,

I have the following macro in my quicktemplates to
switch to the german spell checker:

%LANGUAGE="CSAPI GN"%-

That worked in 3.99.29, but does not work any more in 4.0.11.

CSAPI is installed (I can see a corresponding tab in the spellchecker
options) and I can select "German" as spell checker language in the
status bar (I can't tell if this the CSAPI spellchecker or the SSCE,
though).

Just for information: in my "Speller" folder in TB's program folder I
have the following files:

accent.tlx
correct.tlx
Ssceam.tlx
Ssceam2.clx
UserDic.TLX

No german dictionaries here, so I guess I am using CSAPI when I
switch to "German".


So any ideas what the correct syntax is for a makro to set the german
CSAPI automatically again, or is there a setting somewhere to tell TB
to use a specific dictionary as default?

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Re: Best 3.x Version?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

> Any opinions on which one to use? Which version proofed to contain the
> least number of bugs?

Thanks for all those opinions! As you can see I upgraded to 3.99.29
and hope this will be a good companion to me.

It was especially nice to see "Waldorf and Stettler" gnarling at each
other again *SCNR* :) I missed you both a little (did not find the
time to follow the beta list recently).

So thanks again to all posters!

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Best 3.x Version?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Sorry, if I used the wrong keywords to search the forum...I just did
not find any relevant posts:

As I am currently not brave enough (and neither have the time nor the
need to upgrade to 4.x) I would simply like to install the latest and
best 3.x version and live happily with it for the next years.

Any opinions on which one to use? Which version proofed to contain the
least number of bugs?

Thanks a lot!

-- 
Martin
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Re: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Aubrey,

> Just thought I would share this in case anyone
> else finds useful. I am getting a large amount of
> spam with just a PDF attachment (a worm) and a
> blank email

> here is a bit of regex that catches them


Somehow your solution did not work here. Just tried another way with
some messages here, and it seems to work:

--
Condition:

Text [match] ^$
AND Message source [match] \d{10}.pdf
--

^$ is the regex for "empty string" and \d{10}.pdf catches the
attachments that (at least at the moment) always have a 10 digit
number at the end of the filename.

Here's the filter for pasting:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [ADB1D37C.01C7C88C.6ED986D8.5693C83F]
Name: Uncatched\20Spam
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`^$\0D\0A0`6`2`/5Cd{10}.pdf\0D\0A}
SetMemo Text blankPDF\0D\0A
MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
SetColour 2031922646
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter


What do you think? I am not the most experienced when it comes to
regex, so maybe some guru might want to have a look at it?

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Re: Moving from Outlook 2003

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mike,

> 1A. Can TB data files be stored on a networked external hard drive so that we
> can access the mail from two computers and a laptop?  We do NOT need to access
> the mail at the same time, but we do need to look at it and respond to it from
> the two desktops and the laptop at different times easily.

Doing this here every day: one desktop (hosting the files actually,
but works with a network-share, too) and one notebook used in the
office sometimes, mostly on the road. I am opening TB only on one
machine at a time (so I think one licence is fine, isn't it?) and have
the files available as "offline files" so TB finds them in the right
place when I am not connected to the server.

> 2. Our Outlook mail  is currently in a PST file which is approaching 1 gb.
> Our mailboxes have folders and sub-folders. Will TB import all the mail and
> mailboxes correctly so that we won't have lost anything?  I'm not asking for a
> guarantee here, just some advice on the general reliability of the import
> process.

If you don't need a guarantee I can say this works ok. Recently moved
all my mails from Outlook to TB again to train my spam filter with
ham. The mail folders from Outlook looked good in TB.

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Threading by references+subject does not work with german AW: reply

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

Hope this wasn't covered somewhere before, I only found a very old
message from 2001 about this:

Did anybody find a solution to thread correctly the answers from
Outlook users replying with the german version of "RE:" namely "AW:"?

references+subject does not match in this case.

Thanks!

-- 
Martin
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Adding a drop-down arrow to a toolbar (was: Help: Does Anyone Know About Setting Up Toolbars?)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Michael,

> - How do I set up a button that has a drop-down arrow, similar to the
>   'Receive new mail' button.

That is a functionality well hidden in TB's deep muddy waters...

1. In the "Customize" dialog choose "Create new container" (it's the 4th
   button from the top between "actions" and "layout" list). A new
   toolbar container (with a triangle on the right) is created. Select
   it.

2. Select the action you want to have in that container in the
   "Action" List and press "Shift" and the "Insert Item" button (its
   the first button from the top). The item should be added to your
   container.

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Re: Address book sync with Pocket PC

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Graham,

> as anyone used this?
> http://www.artelplus.com/en/thebatsync.php
> It offers syncing The Bat! with either the Palm or Pocket PC address book.

Sounds quite like something I waited for since I started using TB!.
But I am confused because they advertise to sync the Windows Mobile
addressbook, but isn't this just the same as Microsoft Outlook
addressbook (here my Active Sync just syncs Outlooks Addressbook with
my Windows CE device).

As this is "try before you buy" I think I'll just give it a try if I
got the time. If you do please let me know how the thing was working.

-- 
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Re: Scheduler piles up old events

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Chris,

>> Anyone found an easier way to do this? Or to hide events that have
>> passed?

>  Options > Preferences > Other Options > SmartBat > Automatically
>  remove completed events after ...

That option was set. Still nothing happens: even older events still
show up after 10 days. Maybe TB does not recognize them as
"completed"?

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Scheduler piles up old events

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I use scheduler often by setting a reminder for anserwing a message or
so. Now in the meantime I have quite a big stack of reminders in the
list when I open up scheduler. Deleting them one by one is pain, and
takes forever with a lot of messages.

Anyone found an easier way to do this? Or to hide events that have
passed?


-- 
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Martin
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Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Peter,

Sorry for the late reply,

MS>> there is a commandline switch to tell an account not to check
MS>> mail.

> Is there a switch to include *all* accounts? Or do I have to add each
> account by name?

AFAIK not. Each account has to be included.

> Anyway, this is another (probably old) part of The Bat! that I wasn't
> aware of.

Not so old...it came in the last round of betas before the last public
release I think. Should be worked on, however. Not all account
settings are included, but I'll try to find out and post them here.

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Re: Selection of multiple listitems not windows conform?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Thomas,

MS>> - in windows you can hold the Ctrl-key, move the focus rectangle (the
MS>>   dotted line) up and down with the cursor keys until it is at an item
MS>>   you want to select, and then you can mark the item as selected with
MS>>   the space key

> I never knew this.

Yeah, it's kind of a widely accepted standard, used a lot by keyboard
addicts ;-) I think TB! should act that way to keep conformity.

I just would like to know if there is a reason TB! acts that other way,
before posting a wish.

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Selection of multiple listitems not windows conform?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

In a "mail list view" the keystrokes to select multiple items that are
spread over the list IMHO is not windows conform:

- in windows you can hold the Ctrl-key, move the focus rectangle (the
  dotted line) up and down with the cursor keys until it is at an item
  you want to select, and then you can mark the item as selected with
  the space key

- in TB! pressing Ctrl and a cursor key instantly selects multiple
  items. You can't select multiple items that are not in a sequence.


Why is this so? Is there a workaround?

-- 
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Re: Account Alerts / take The Bat offline for a moment

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Scott,

> Also, is there a way to take TheBat offline...

I hope this is not a beta feature only, I think this exists in the
last regular version, too: there is a commandline switch to tell an
account not to check mail. Make yourself a second shortcut to thebat
using a syntax like this:

"C:\Programme\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /ADDU="myAccount";AutoCheck="0" 
/ADDU="myOtherAccount";AutoCheck="0"

(Don't forget to change the path "C:\Programme\The Bat!" and
"myAccount" and "myOtherAccount" to match your settings).

And modify your original shortcut to have AutoCheck="1" everywhere.

Then you can simply choose if you need checking or not when starting
thebat.

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Re: Finding all linked messages

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

>>> Ops! I think I misunderstood you question, I thought you were trying
>>> to find replies you had sent.
>>
>> I just followed your instructions and TB! found the reply even
>> though it was not from me.

> Now that you mention it, that should work. Why not. After all, it is
> searching for references to the MID of the original message.

Feeling obliged to add here that the message is found only if it is
not in a common folder, i.e. if it is located in an account folder.
This bug is still present (even though on the ritlabs bugtracker it
shows as closed, ID 0005717).

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Re: Watched no longer works

[Martin Schuster]

> If I tried to mark a message as watched, I am asked to
> create a new folder - no choice to use my existing folder.

> Also, from my "* Watched *" folder, I cannot unselect
> messages that were previously marked as watched.

Confirmed. Also: Bug still exists in 3.82.02.

See also my message
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

...yet without any solution. On 3.81.18 RC2 I managed to restore my
watched folders (simply by creating them new) but then a Chat Window
popped up every time a reply to a watched message is received. And now
those folders are gone again. Very annoying.

I don't have the time to file a bug report now. If no one else is
quicker I'll do it later, maybe.

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Re: Good Concept for manipulating a message with one keystroke

[Martin Schuster]

Hello George,

MS>> Problem #2: The filter has a subfilter. When I assign a keystroke
MS>> to the filter the subfilter also gets executed.

> Is it a common filter?  If so, subfilters won't work right:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4021

Thanks for pointing me there. Looks like the problem is related.

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Good Concept for manipulating a message with one keystroke

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tbudl,

I have a common folder for projects, with a virtual folder for every
client. I like that.

However, when a new message comes in that does not meet the criteria
of the virtual folder, e.g. because its from someone outside the
project team, I have to mark that message with a color group and move it
to "projects" manually. I'd like to define a keystroke for a filter
that does just that.

If only I could get this to work!

Problem #1: find a keyboard shortcut that is free. At first I assigned
one that was already used by TB and suddenly strange
things happened. Is there a place where can I see a list
of all the keystrokes that are already occupied?

Problem #2: The filter has a subfilter. When I assign a keystroke to
the filter the subfilter also gets executed. Settings for
the filter ( <- look three times "the filter" at the same
place :-) , again, settings for the filter are:
[x] Filter is active
[ ] Continue processing with other filters

Does anybody have a good concept for this type of action at hand?

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Re: TB! network question

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Nick,

> So after all the above, here is my question.  How can I set TB! so
> that while on the network it connects to the appropriate remote files,
> but while not on the network still allows TB! to run with the local
> files.

Do you happen to use a Windows Version on Computer B that supports
"offline files"? By using this Computer B would still "think" he
accesses the files on Computer A, while at that moment he isn't even
connected to A, but transparently accesses a local copy of the files
on his own harddrive.

Search the windows help to find out how to activate "offline files". I
use it on my notebook every day, works perfect. No change in TB!
configuration necessary at all!


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Re: RSS News Feeds

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Ian,

> Is there any plugin to allow The Bat! to be used with RSS news
> feeds?

There are two:

rss2mail
rss2pop3

I currently use rss2mail, works fine for one or two feeds you rarely
change, because you need to build a new tb-account for each feed.

Tried rss2pop3, but can't get it to download any messages yet (only
one feed worked, the others just say "0 messages downloaded").

Sorry, don't have a link to the plugins available. Should be easy to
find in a search engine, though.


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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

> yes. OK. I made a test; subject contains xyzzy then KILL.

> but, this is seemingly useless in that
> the offending message remains on server (forever)
...
> I was able to see that (using dispatcher window) that the Read became
> unchecked.

I just see I had an error in my last mail. Not the "read" but the
"receive" flag is unchecked! Is it really the "read" flag that get's
deactivated when you check dispatcher?

> And as I said, that particular test message is still on my server
> having been neither D/L'd not deleted by the dispatcher. So, in any
> case, I still have to manually deal with a server-side message that I
> do not want not like.

Here the "delete" flag is still active for the matching messages...so
when activating the dispatching process the message is not received but
deleted on the server. Don't know why your messages stays on the
server even though the delete flag is (or at least should be) still
active...?

> And, I still can not select for a gross size and delete them.

Agreed, this option is still missing. So far the selective download
works only for word-matching. Why there is no option for size
selecting is beyond my knowledge.

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

> Martin Schuster waved a wand then said : '

M>> Try activating the dispatcher:\

hehe, did I? ;-)

> I put a nonsense filter under the Selective Download tab. It looks to
> see if qwerty is in the Sender position.

> When I hit shift-ctrl-F2, I see the *Read*  is still checked. I also
> never see  Statistics Tab *Tested* going above Zero.

> That, according to you, means the selective download filter is never
> checked/activated

Maybe I misunderstand, but did any of the mails contain "qwerty" ?
Only then would the read flag be unchecked in dispatcher. So I think
your result is correct: none of the mails was filtered (why "tested"
is not incremented I don't know).

An example maybe says more: I have a selective download filter
"Subject contains any of [some typical spam words]" with action
"kill". So if any mail contains one of those words its read flag is
deactivated in dispatcher by default. Works 100% here. No more
"enlarge your..."-mails here ;-)

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Re: (Selective) Selective Download Filter

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robert,

> Also, now that I am playing around trying to make a Selective DL
> Filter ... just how does one invoke Selective Download so that one may
> verify operation of S-D/L filters?

Try activating the dispatcher: for mails where the selective download
filter would be activated the "read" flag is automatically
unchecked!

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Access Violation in Customizer (was: Re: New Customizer behavior)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Simon,

> Select the container (highlight).  Highlight the item you require
> in the container, then hold SHFT and click the right arrow button in the 
> interface.

I tried that (see the item "test" and its child entry "delete" in the
screenshot) and got an access violation when pressing the ok button:

http://www.aspekt1.net/ms/temp/tbAVCustomizer.gif

Subsequently the TB toolbar was messed up until I restarted TB.

Can anyone confirm this?

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wish: create sets of account settings to use in different environments?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I frequently change from a fast internet connection to a mobile
connection and back. Because on the fast line I want to check often
and get mails at once while on the mobile connection I want to check
less frequent and only headers I need to do the following every time I
change my connection:

- go to Account A -> Properties
- change the "check mail every" from 2min to 15min
- check "Mail Dispatcher: use every time"

- go to Account B -> Properties
- disable the "check mail every" because this account does not need to
  be checked on the road
- check "Mail Dispatcher: use every time" in case I accidentally hit
  "Alt-F2"


This is really annoying. I think I already asked if there is a better
way to do this when I was new to TB!, and since then I did not find a
good solution.

I could think about the following solution:

- Possibility to create different "scenarios":
  - a standard scenario (just like now, with the basic settings for my
accounts)
  - additional scenarios containing different settings for my
accounts, only different where I specified a different value
(somehow "extending" my default scenario, just like in object
orientated programming)
- E.g. a toolbar button or menu to select which scenario to use right
  now (just like viewmodes)
- A toolbar button to deactivate automatic checking no matter what I
  have set in my account. This is to avoid accidental downloading of
  that huge attachment over a mobile GPRS-line where the transfer
  costs per kB are still unbelievably high.

Would anyone need this? I'd prefer to check the need for such a
solution before posting a wish to the developers.

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Re: International Pack

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Tim,

A question not relating to your question: to me it seems like you
start all your threads with a subject "Re: ..." don't you? Or am I
missing the original post somehow?

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Re: how does "remove duplicate email" work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello WL,

> What does TB! use to determine if 2 emails are duplicates
> of each other?

Just guessing from my own experience, but it seems like also the date
fields are used to compare. In my case the "received" date was
different because I imported (duplicate) mails. Their "received date"
was different, as far as I remember.

Quite useless that way I think.

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Re: MicroEd vs Plain text

[Martin Schuster]

Hello WL,

> On 3/27/06, Martin Schuster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> *Technically* I think it would be no problem to build mail clients
>> that wrap unwrapped text automatically at a user-given width, so
>> everyone would be able to read the mail just as wide as he wants.
>> Everyone would send unwrapped lines, a CR/LF would mean "start a new
>> paragraph", and everyone would be happy.

and WL answered:
> ...except this _will_ break some existing email clients.
> Outlook users do this a lot, and I used to use an email
> client that would crash on emails from Outlook users. I
> narrowed it down to a single, very long line.

> RFC 2822 (email format) says a line must not be longer
> than 998 characters not counting the CRLF, and should not
> be greater than 78. This is more or less what rfc 2821
> (smtp) says about the maximum length of a line.

Yeah. As I stated in my second paragraph I am aware that using
unwrapped mail all of a sudden would need RFCs to be changed and all
people update their email clients to nowrap-aware ones. I just wanted
to point out that there is no *technical* limitation that forces us to
wrap. Its an "internet-cultural" problem: having all kinds of clients,
having to use old standards to be compatible, etc. etc.

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Re: MicroEd vs Plain text

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Paul,

Having read the whole wrapping-discussion in one flow I can't resist
adding my few thoughts about that topic. Because I think both
Alexander and Paul are right:

*Technically* I think it would be no problem to build mail clients
that wrap unwrapped text automatically at a user-given width, so
everyone would be able to read the mail just as wide as he wants.
Everyone would send unwrapped lines, a CR/LF would mean "start a new
paragraph", and everyone would be happy.

BUT: the problem is that you can't switch such an old standard (as
mail is) in one day. So there would be a long time when there would
still be users that see the unwrapped mails in "spaghetti-like lines"
because their client does not do wrapping at anything else than the
window border, or even worse in a unix console some archaic client
does not do any wrapping at all...and so on.

So I gave up the hope for unwrapped mails a few years ago and looked
for a good editor that at least makes the task of composing wrapped
lines easier. Micro-Ed is just that.


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Re: Putting a reply into the same folder where the original message is stored?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Maksym,

> Sorry if this one has been asked (and answered) before, but I can't
> find it.

Are you participating in TBUDL also? I asked the same question two
weeks ago there, and Roelof gave me a very in depth answer:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Maybe you want to have a look if there is a solution for your
situation there (I found one for my situation ;-)


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Re: Context menu "Open reply": (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

> I have just done a couple of quick test by moving my replies to other
> account and also to a common folder that I have just created (I don't
> use common folders) and the replies are found if in another account but
> not in common folders. So, it looks like it does not search in common
> folders.

Thanks for your tests. This verifies the problem and justifies a
bugreport I think.

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Re: Context menu "Open reply": (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

> Do you have the replies you are looking for in Common folders? If so,
> that may be the problem. I am not sure but I think the search for
> replies only looks in the account your are at, and not in other accounts
> or common folders.

Exactly. Seems like that is the case. Then either the function is
buggy or the message "...whole message base..." is confusing. I think
I'd open a bug report.


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Re: QT output trims trailing CR/LF

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robin,

> Some of my QTs output text followed by one or more CR/LF. I use this a lot
> in building my email templates, but the later versions of TB! trim trailing
> CR/LFs.

I mentioned this a few days ago on tbbeta, too. Funny there is someone else
noticing this right now:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

There was no direct solution to this problem found in that discussion.

I found no other solution than to always have my CRs *before* the
output, not after. So I changed all my QT to:

"

outputting some line"

...which in the end gives me the same result: emtpy lines between
QT-texts.

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Re: Context menu "Open reply": (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU and Thomas!

>> What am I doing/getting wrong here?

> I don't know if it uses the 'In-Reply-To" header or not, I would assume
> so, but it is working here with no problem. I use this option somewhat
> frequently and, unless I have deleted my reply, it is always found. I
> have tried it just now a few times (in case there was a problem with
> latest version) and it worked every time I tried.

I don't understand this. Tried it with all kinds of replies I wrote,
and they are never found! Have a look: this is a message I just
replied to, and my reply is just above in the list (both marked with
red errors), and the error message that the reply cannot be found "in
the most obvious folders" (whatever they are):

http://www.aspekt1.net/ms/temp/openreply.gif

Now I did some more tests and I found out that the message *is* found,
when I put it back into the inbox of the account I sent if from
(currently the message is in a subfolder of a common folder). So it
looks like the function works, but is does not look in the right
folders (even though it promises to "look through the whole message
base").

So Ritlabs developers: why is the same folder not an "obvious folder"???


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Corr: Context menu "Open reply": (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

I just wrote:

> I noticed a context menu item in the message list called "open reply"
> (in "specials" submenu). To me this seem to mean "look for message
> having the mid of the current message in the reply-to header". That
> would be something I would really need.
...
> But: when I do a manual search for the mid of the message I find the
> message and my reply (because the mid is in the reply-to header) in
> the same folder.

The header field I mean is of course "In-Reply-To"...!


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Context menu "Open reply": (how) does it work?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I noticed a context menu item in the message list called "open reply"
(in "specials" submenu). To me this seem to mean "look for message
having the mid of the current message in the reply-to header". That
would be something I would really need.

However it does not seem to work as I expect: doing "open reply" on a
message that I replied to leads to the message:

  Reply was not found in most appropriate folders.
  Would you like to search through whole message base?"

and subsequently to the message "Reply not found".

But: when I do a manual search for the mid of the message I find the
message and my reply (because the mid is in the reply-to header) in
the same folder.

What am I doing/getting wrong here?


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Re: Sort Column Shading

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Richard,

MD>> I am trying to figure out how to disable the shading for the sorted
MD>> column in the folder and pane views. 

> If I knew what sorted columns were I could test it. I must be being
> unbelievably thick but I don't have any sorted columns - anywhere :-(

Sorted columns are those columns in the mail list that the list is
sorted by. E.g. given if your list is sorted by "From" then the
"From"-column header in the list shows a small triangle and the
background of the column is slightly tinted.

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Re: Sort Column Shading

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mike,

> I just upgraded to v3.71.03 and I am trying to figure out how to
> disable the shading for the sorted column in the folder and pane
> views. Does anyone know how to do this? Any help is greatly
> appreciated!

I am wondering why you awant to disable this feature? IMO it helps
seeing the sorting column with one look. It does not keep me from
doing/seeing anything, so I am happy with it.

Maybe if you could explain a little further what exactly the problem
with the shading is, we could help you avoiding the problem. That's
because I don't know of any way the switch off the shading!

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Save reply in same folder as original message

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

Sorry, I know this question has been asked before, but probably due to
my bad english vocabulary I was not able to find that thread in the
archives...

I would like to find a solution (quicktemplate, filter, combination of
the two, whatever) to save my reply to a message in the same folder
again. Can anyone please point me to that thread? Thanks!

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Re: Save reply in same folder as original message

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Marten,

Again my English...sorry if I was not precise enough.

>> I would like to find a solution (quicktemplate, filter, combination of
>> the two, whatever) to save my reply to a message in the same folder
>> again. Can anyone please point me to that thread? Thanks!

> Set up a filter for that account.
> Account > Sorting Office/Filters
> Outgoing Mail
> Header contains @ (which will select every message going out)
> Actions > move to the folder [then select the folder]
> Options > probably the top checkbox ticked only and top radio button
> checked

That would move *any* message I send with this account to the
specified folder, right? That's not what I want. Example:

I have posted a job offer on a mailing list, using a special mail
alias, let's say "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" that forwards mail to my
regular account. It's easy to filter all incoming messages to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" into a folder, say "job offers".

Now when I answer one of these emails (using my regular mail account,
not that special address), I want my answer to be stored into the
folder "job offers". All other emails I send from this account should
*not* be affected by this rule. So my plan was to setup a reply
template for that folder triggering an outgoing filter that moves my
message there. I just can't find the macro to trigger a filter...


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Re: Save reply in same folder as original message

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Roelof,

Thanks a lot for that really interesting look into your bat world ;-)

> There's also the possibility to use the macro %Comment="%FolderName"%-
> This inserts the name of the current folder into the Comments header,
> therefore enabling you to filter on that header.

I chose this solution. It works fine for my specific problem! And the
folder name is nothing that anybody would hate me for ;-)

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Re: Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Richard,

MS>> Of course I know, how would a memo start its life otherwise

> Sorry. It's just that, from the way you replied about wishing to be able
> to edit the memos "there" (as I suggested, in the memo column) seemed
> that you didn't know you could do it that way. I'll go back into my
> corner now :-(

:-) don't you worry, you could as well have been right (I often
overlook the most obvious things...)

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Re: Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Richard,

> Hello Martin,

> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 you wrote in
> 

>>> It's available as column in the message list.

MS>> Yeah, wish I could edit them there...

> You can. CTRL+SHFT+I

Of course I know, how would a memo start its life otherwise ;-) ? But
as I stated before the steps to open the window, type the memo, press
"save" and close the window again seem rather complicated for just
adding a keyword maybe.

Just trying to find a simpler solution.

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Re: Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Peter,

MS>> I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just
MS>> like the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed
MS>> while composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is
MS>> always available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window.

> Of course, memos are of little use in IMAP accounts. One "Clear cache"
> and they're all gone.

That is bad.

> I'd prefer them to be in external files (and not the index) and linked
> to messages using message-ids.

I'd say "yes", but I guess that would cause quite some overhead when
viewing and deleting messages, in case the number of memos is big. TB
would have to look up in that external file(s) for a certain message
ID to fetch the memo and display it. For a long message list (with
memos displayed in a column) that could be a problem.

The alternative I can think of is a small database-like storage
file for memos and the mids they belong to. That would speed up the
access to the memos when building message lists and viewing messages.
But the file would not be human readable (in case you want to move or
edit it manually) and the fact that there is still no databaselike
construction to find messages quickly via global search shows me that
ritlabs don't seem to like that database concept a lot.


Another solution (not my favorite though) would be to store the memo
in the message in a header field, but that would of course lead to
other problems:

- The integrity of incoming messages would be harmed (i.e. the TB!-rule
  that no incoming message is to be messed with in any way would no
  longer be followed)

- if the message is forwarded the header would be included, maybe also
  confidential informations therein...

Any thoughts?
  
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Re: Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Roelof,

> Hallo Martin,

> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:05:12 +0100GMT (20-1-2006, 12:05 +0100, where I
> live), you wrote:

MS>> I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like
MS>> the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while
MS>> composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always
MS>> available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window.

> It's available as column in the message list.

Yeah, wish I could edit them there...

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Re: Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

> Yes, I also use colour (or colourless) groups and they are a good
> solution when a message can only belong to one category. But if a message
> can belong to 2 or more, there is no way to do it with groups. And the
> only alternative I've found for that is to use the memo.

Well, you are of course right. Hm...

I just took the time to look through many of the emails in my project
folder and found that there are only few mails that belong to two
virtual folders *without* one of the factors being recipient or sender
or subject. So in most cases color groups will do. But in the other
case I of course still have to use the memo field. Thanks for pointing
that out!

I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like
the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while
composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always
available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window.

Would someone support such a wish?

Or am I again the only one using that feature, in which case I would
rather prevent keeping ritlabs from doing more important stuff like
IMAP and ... (I always have the feeling they'd rather do new stuff
than debugging old stuff ;-)

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Re: Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU,

> Hello Martin,

>> - a special "keyword" in the memo-field: not very comfortable: I have
>>   to hit Shift-Ctrl-I for Autoview-Memo, type in the key, press the
>>   save-button and close the autoview-memo-window

> You are right, it is not very comfortable but it is the only solution
> I've found for a situation similar to yours.

Well, I now decided (and already used) Roelofs suggestion to use color
groups. I did not consider the possibility that a color group can also
be "colorless", thus only be used as a special mark without modifying
the mail's appearance in the message list (which I would not want).

Thanks anyway, MAU. I feel blessed that my simple question was
answered by two beta-heavyweights (literally spoken of course :-)

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Best way to "mark" an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

Maybe some of the more experienced users can help me find the best way
to do this:

I have a folder called "projects". In that folder I have numerous
virtual folders for the different projects and clients. Virtual,
because sometimes a mail belongs to "project A" and "client B" at the
same time.

I have the VF filtering by sender and recipient, i.e. one folder might
have the setting
   "sender-domain contains "
or another folder has
   "subject contains "

As you can imagine my clients don't have that discipline to write the
project's name in every email, or a person not working in "client
B"-company writes an email that thematically belongs to "client B".

What do you think is the best way to "mark" an email to belong to
"project A" or "client B" so that the mail is found by the VF?

- Assign color groups: wow, difficult when the number of project
  reaches more than 10 or so
- a special "keyword" in the memo-field: not very comfortable: I have
  to hit Shift-Ctrl-I for Autoview-Memo, type in the key, press the
  save-button and close the autoview-memo-window

Any other suggestions? Thanks a lot for your time!


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Re: Using The Bat address book outside the Bat

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Graham,

> Over the years I have used Outlook as a conduit to many programs and
> PDAs/mobile phones, and a personal solution for me would be able to
> sync The Bat! address book with Outlook.

I am using such a solution: I made it a habit to edit Contacts only in
Outlook, and only add new ones (e.g. from an email address) in a special
TheBat-addressbook called "ToOutlook" that I created. I export these to
Outlook in a CSV-file, which is easy.

Also I import the OL-addressbook into TheBat on a regular basis (due
to a bug in the TheBat I have to also delete the addressbook file
"impol.adb" before this) so both are in sync. Sounds complicated, but
I got used to this by the time.

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Re: Redo not working?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello rich,

>>> When I recently needed to restore something I just "undid" a second
>>> before I noticed that there is no undo in the edit menu.
>>> So I had a look in the customizer, and saw it should be there (in a
>>> microed edit window I did "customize->MainMenu", that's where I found
>>> the "Redo" just below "Undo", set as "not hidden").
>>> What's going on there?

MM>> Redo is not supported in MicroEd, only in Windows and HTML editor, You
MM>> can add it, but of course, it will ot work.


> Try CTRL-Z...  Even in MicroEd it works here! v2.12

This is obviously a misunderstanding. As I wrote in a reply to my
original message I meant "REDO" that is not working, not "UNDO"...

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Re: Redo not working?

[Martin Schuster]

A few seconds ago I blubbered:

> When I recently needed to restore something I just "undid" a second
> before I noticed that there is no undo in the edit menu.

That has to be "there is no redo" of course...sorry.

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Redo not working?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

When I recently needed to restore something I just "undid" a second
before I noticed that there is no undo in the edit menu.

So I had a look in the customizer, and saw it should be there (in a
microed edit window I did "customize->MainMenu", that's where I found
the "Redo" just below "Undo", set as "not hidden").

What's going on there?

-- 
Martin
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Re: Set new keyboard shortcut for "open/close thread"

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Myself,

> o Ctrl+(Shift)+Plus/Minus = open/close all the branches of the current
> thread in a folder

> This shortcut does not seem to work on my german keyboard. I want to
> change it, but can't find it in the customize dialog.

After a lot of keyboard hacking I finally I found the solution myself:
The shortcut works also with my german keyboard, but I always tried
this when I finished reading through a thread, i.e. when the focus was
on the last message in the thread.

But it does not affect the whole thread (as I expected) but only the
part of the thread *below your current position* !!! So to open/close
a complete thread the focus has to be on the root message! Being on
the last message in a thread nothing happens:

1   <- Ctrl-- collapses "2" + "3"
  2 <- Ctrl-- collapses "3"
3   <- Ctrl-- does nothing here

Is this the same for you other users, too?

To me this behaviour comes as a surprise. Maybe that shortcut is the
equivalent to clicking with the mouse on the small [+] or [-] on the
left of a list, but I would prefer this to collapse the whole thread,
because Cursor-left/right also collapses/expands the rest of the
current thread, so no additional shortcut is needed. What do you
think?

-- 
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Re: Set new keyboard shortcut for "open/close thread"

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Cory,

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:33:46 +0200, Martin Schuster
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>My Keyboard does not contain the numeric keys, only as additional
>>alt-keys on letter keys, like in a notebook. If I activate those it
>>still doesn't work :-(

> You then may have a Fn key as on most laptops? Enable NumLock,
> pressing this "Function" key and the key with the "numeric pad
> indicator" should give you the desired result, I reckon.

;-) Yeah of course that was also my first thought: "maybe I'm not in
the right Fn-Mode", so I tested the buttons in a text editor and they
gave me a "+" instead of a "ö" so that should not be the problem.

>>I am still hoping one can reconfigure them...

> Guess they're hard-coded then?

Do you think so? I can reconfigure even the smallest bit in that
program, and such a useful function is hardcoded???

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Re: Set new keyboard shortcut for "open/close thread"

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Peter,

> Hi Martin,

> on Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:40:15 +0200GMT (18.10.2005, 12:40 +0200GMT here),
> you wrote:

MS>> o Ctrl+(Shift)+Plus/Minus = open/close all the branches of the current
MS>> thread in a folder

MS>> This shortcut does not seem to work on my german keyboard. I want to
MS>> change it, but can't find it in the customize dialog.

> I use a German keyboard too, and here the shortcuts work. Note, that
> you need to use the plus/minus keys of the numeric tab. BTW,
> ++* opens/closes ALL threads.

My Keyboard does not contain the numeric keys, only as additional
alt-keys on letter keys, like in a notebook. If I activate those it
still doesn't work :-(

I am still hoping one can reconfigure them...

-- 
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Set new keyboard shortcut for "open/close thread"

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

The customize list is going to drive me crazy...I never find what I am
looking for! Please, please, please, make the customize window a
little more understandable!!!

But maybe in the meantime some of the customize gurus can point me to
the place where I can set the following shortcut (quote from a
keyboard shortcut file I found on the net):

o Ctrl+(Shift)+Plus/Minus = open/close all the branches of the current
thread in a folder

This shortcut does not seem to work on my german keyboard. I want to
change it, but can't find it in the customize dialog.

-- 
Thanks a lot!
Martin
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Re: Adding to a subject line

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Leif,

> MODIFYONCE is a good way to do it so that it won't change your SUBJECT
> line again if you're jumping back and forth between the headers (TO,
> FROM etc) and the message body.

Just curious: How would jumping between the headers change the
subject? Never saw this behaviour yet?

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Re: Dismiss the MailTicker Popup: how?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mary,

> Or, if you decide to put a feature request on the Wish List, please
> post the link here and I will add a supporting note to it. Two beggars
> are always better than one at Bug Tracker. ;)

I did. If you like please support my wish for a new menu item
"dismiss" in the mailticker's context menu:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5159


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Re: Dismiss the MailTicker Popup: how?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mary,

>> Thanks for your tip, Mary. If moving the mailticker manually is the
>> only option maybe its possible to make an inquiry to optimize that.

> I think so.

> I take it that you are working toward putting a feature request in the
> Bug Tracker Wish List?

Well according to the rich participation in this topic's discussion
(you and me, with me being the only one having a problem) I don't
think I will. Maybe I am really the only person who cares, and I think
Ritlabs guys really have more important things to do  :-)

>> - Option setting "hide mailticker when I click on it, open message
>>   ticker window when I double click on it" (or vice versa to avoid
>>   everybody hanving to change their habits to open the mailticker list
>>   window with a single click

> If it's hidden, what would you be clicking on to bring it back into
> view?

I'd say same as in next solution: if another new mail drops in.

>> - Right click option "Hide Ticker until new messages arrive"

> That seemed to be your original requirement. I don't know how
> complicated the code writing to achieve that might be, since I am not
> a programmer.

Should not be such a big problem. It would be the same behavior as
now when you open the mailticker's menu and select "hide", just that
this choice is not saved into the preferences, as it is now (choosing
"hide" there hides the mailticker "forever".).

>> - option to make the mailticker "click-through-able" and only react on
>>   rmb-clicks (don't know if this is technically possible)

> If I'm understanding you correctly, you want it to be like a Folder
> View window, where the "Follow previous" and "Follow next" icons move
> you to the next unread mail?

Umm...no ;-) currently when you left-click on the ticker you can move it.
With the above solution it would send the click simply down to the
program below the mailticker.

>> Any other ideas?

> What about a capability to minimize the ticker to tray? A mouse-click
> would get it out of the way and later restore it to its monitor-screen
> position, then?

Very good idea!


> It's about an inch-and-a-half long and three-eighths of an inch wide

On my notebook my whole screen is not much larger than that :-))) but
seriously: when its getting hectic, and the mailticker pops up just
above a tray icon I want to click on (I have the ticker bottom-right)
it always disturbs me.


> Most people are not using their computers in such convenient
> conditions, I suppose.

I wished more computer people would have your capability of accepting
that *their* point view must not necessarily be the same for all other
users. That's why I'm always happy to see a "Mary-Bull-Reply" to my
posts!


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Re: Dismiss the MailTicker Popup: how?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mary,

MS Is there a way do just dismiss the mailticker-window, so it diappears
MS for now, but comes back later, when new mails are there?

> I put my cursor on it (my OS is Windows XP) and simply move it out of
> my way, as I would move any other window.

Thanks for your tip, Mary. If moving the mailticker manually is the
only option maybe its possible to make an inquiry to optimize that.
Would you like to participate in my brainstorming? Solutions I could
think of are:

- Option setting "hide mailticker when I click on it, open message
  ticker window when I double click on it" (or vice versa to avoid
  everybody hanving to change their habits to open the mailticker list
  window with a single click

- Right click option "Hide Ticker until new messages arrive"

- option to make the mailticker "click-through-able" and only react on
  rmb-clicks (don't know if this is technically possible)

Any other ideas?


-- 
Martin
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Re: Dismiss the MailTicker Popup: how?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Roelof,

> Hallo Martin,

> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:07:26 +0200GMT (30-9-2005, 19:07 +0200, where I
> live), you wrote:

MS>> Is there a way do just dismiss the mailticker-window, so it diappears
MS>> for now, but comes back later, when new mails are there?

>  Options -> Preferences -> Mail Ticker -> Display mail ticker: Automatically

Sorry Roelof, seems like I wasn't exact enough: I already have set the
mailticker to automatic. But, sometimes the mailticker pops up, but
I'm in a hurry and can't read the mail at once. So I want to make the
mailticker go out of my way, but only until new mails arrive (because
sometimes on a small monitor the mailticker opens over vital areas of
the screen).

Currently I know of two options:

1. right-click on ticker window -> hide: this hides the mailticker,
   but it does not come back until I use options -> mailticker ->
   Display -> automatically

2. set all new mails to "read", which is bad: I might overlook a new
   mail later.

What I want to have: an option to hide the mailtickerwindow
for now, without having to read mails/change mail status/hiding the
mailticker completely.


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Dismiss the MailTicker Popup: how?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

Is there a way do just dismiss the mailticker-window, so it diappears
for now, but comes back later, when new mails are there?

When I click "hide" in the mailticker-window-menu it seems like the
mail ticker is deactivated from now on (only
options-mailticker-automatic brings it back).

-- 
Thanks!
Martin
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Re: Word wrap still considered good style?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Carsten,

> RFC 2822 says:

> | 2.1.1. Line Length Limits
> |
> |   There are two limits that this standard places on the number of
> |   characters in a line. Each line of characters MUST be no more than
> |   998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding
> |   the CRLF.

> BTW:  <- no wrapping here.

Yeah, I downloaded a newer version of nPOP that wraps ok now! So no
more unwrapped mails...!

> You may also find 
> interesting ...

Yeah and there I also had a look at RFC 2822...very interesting.

Thanks for this in depth information!

-- 
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Re: Word wrap still considered good style?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mary,

> I found a report of mis-wrapped quoting--shortened lines rather than
> the long line at the paragraph end in Marin's display. Link:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4241

> Its status is Resolved, Verify Wait.

> Not sure if it is the same thing, but nearest that I could find.

Well that looks different, but may be the same reason technically.

There hasn't been a new beta for quite some time now, so maybe the
ritlab guys are working on something big...I'd wait to see what the
next beta brings and maybe open a bugreport then. I consider this
problem to be more like a small glitch than a bug, as one can easily
see when it happens.

And, as the very interesting website Curtis pointed me to showed:
not-wrapping is not-a-good thing anyway ;-)

Thanks for your time and effort!

-- 
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Re: Word wrap still considered good style?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Mary,

Back in TB! again (pheew), I read your message:

> MicroEd here has just wrapped your quotes perfectly.

> For ease of quoting, I chose selective quoting, leaving out the part
> in which you specified 70 characters per line as the standard wrap.

> It happens to be what I use, since knowledgeable TB! list friends
> recommended it to me some time ago.

...and when using selective quoting all is fine. Then I tried replying
to my own message with "normal" reply and this is what I got:

- reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -
...
> sometimes run out of "pro's". On the other hand there is the
> "contra" that text cannot be pasted easily into other apps when
> wrapped, and that nowadays nearly every client auto wraps incoming mail 
> correctly.
...


I hope you can see this correctly: the last line of this paragraph is
85 characters long, while all other lines wrap at 70 characters (my
setting).

Is there a good explanation for this that I am missing?

-- 
Martin
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Re: path to MAIL directory is changed and The BAT hangs on start up

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Pietro,

> I had to change the hard disk where the message base was stored and
> now the path to the MAIL folder is different: before the change it was
> F:\MAIL, now it's C:\MAIL (Programs and SO are on D:\), so when I
> launch TheBAT, it looks for F:\MAIL and, as it doesn't find it, it
> doesn't load.

I just had a look into the registry, and found two occurences of my
mail directory, the second one only related to the speller:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Working Directory

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\CommonSpeller\0\User Directories

I guess you should be able to change the working directory there
reflecting the changed drive letter, and hopefully TB starts up as if
nothing happened.

You of course have a second copy of you mail directory, just in case
something goes wrong, don't you?

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Re: Keeping TB! Data Files on a Server

[Martin Schuster]

@Michael,

JG>> Is anybody running TB! with data kept on a server? The laptop I
JG>> use is wi-fi connected - 801.11g- and maintains a pretty reliable 
connection
JG>> to the network.

> I *had* been doing this on a wired LAN and had problems closing out
> TheBat! It would take 2 minutes to fully close (removed from the Task
> Manager).

I'm having the same problem here with a windows 2000 desktop accessing
my data files on my notebook (XP). Is your harddrive working a lot
during those two minutes, too?

I could track my own problem down to being related to accessing from
windows2000 to WindowsXP, because when I put the data files on the
desktop (2000) the notebook (XP) did not take so long to shutdown TB!
But no other solution yet.


@Jeff:

JG> The laptop doesn't travel so I don't need access to the data while
JG> away from base.

I think my solution is not of help for you then, because as I said
I've got my datafiles on the notebook to have then with me all the
time. When the notebook is switched off, the desktop can still access
the files via the "offline files" feature in Windows2000. The setup
works perfectly (as long as I don't forget to sync) but the desktop
does not suspend or hibernate, as your notebook does.


-- 
Martin
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Re: Folder -- Watched By ??

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MFPA,

> Any virtual folder "watches" other folders (and displays messages
> in those folders that match the filter you have set for the
> virtual folder).

I can't follow you completely on that point: the chat folder I created
(when selecting a message for "Watch Replies In") doesn't have the tab
"Filter" that a "normal" VF has. I can only fill that chat folder
by selecting a message to "Watch Replies in" that folder (or by some
other methods I don't know about).

In a normal VF however I always get displayed the messages that match
the filter settings in the filter tab of the folder's properties. I
couldn't make a normal VF display only the "Watch Replies in"
messages.

Maybe you can explain the secrets ;-) ?

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Re: Annoyance: no message when overwriting view mode

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Stuart,

>> We've got so many messages telling us we "changed viewmode, save?" and
>> other important things. But I don't know how many times I messed up a
>> viewmode by wanting to switch the viewmode, but instead...

> Options/Preferences/Messages/Viewmodes. There are options at the
> bottom that allow you to ignore changes to viewmodes.

Seems like my English is a little out of training, and I described my
problem in a totally wrong way...so you misunderstood.

My problem is *not* that I get a message when I changed the setting of
a specific view mode, but that I get *no* message, when I select "Save
viewmode as ->" which overwrites the viewmode you select then with
the current settings.

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Annoyance: no message when overwriting view mode

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

We've got so many messages telling us we "changed viewmode, save?" and
other important things. But I don't know how many times I messed up a
viewmode by wanting to switch the viewmode, but instead...

- right clicking on the list headers in list view
- being not very concentrated because the baby is crying
- moving my mouse down to the menu item "Save viewmode to..." and not
  reading those words
- selecting the viewmode I wanted to switch to but instead overwriting
  it with the current viewmode

...just because there is no message popping up telling me I am going
to overwrite a (possibly important) setting.

Is anyone else also annoyed by this? Or am I the only dumbhead that
does not read what's written on a menu item ;-) ? But it's just to
similar looking to "Menu->Folder->Folder View Mode >".

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Re: Active Account: I'm puzzled

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Thomas,

Sorry for the late answer, I was out.

MS>> It is a free folder (it is under no account). But the fact that you
MS>> are the first one who answers makes me feel like its not such an
MS>> obvious "bug".

> No, not obvious. I just highlighted a common folder (that's the
> technical term for the free folders) and hit "Create New Message". A
> random account was chosen.

MS>> Also it happens here every now and then only. Think I'll just deal
MS>> with it. More important problems to solve for the TB-crew.

> True, but it is a bug nonetheless. If you open a bugreport, I will
> second it.

I was curious and had a look in the registry under:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Users Depot

There are several keys named "User #1", "User #2",...  and the account
that was chosen automatically when clicking on a common folder was the
"User #1" account.

So I changed order, and all works fine.

Might have to do with the fact that I use TB on two computers
accessing the same mailbase, and the registry keys "User #X" were
different. Now they are the same, and everything is good.


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Re: Active Account: I'm puzzled

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Thomas,

>>> However: whenever I create a new mail while one of my subfolders is
>>> selected in the folder list (no folder template defined!) the new mail
>>> is created with one of my other ("secondary") accounts active.

> Is that subfolder under the account from which the mail will be sent?
> If not, this sounds like a bug.

It is a free folder (it is under no account). But the fact that you
are the first one who answers makes me feel like its not such an
obvious "bug".

Also it happens here every now and then only. Think I'll just deal
with it. More important problems to solve for the TB-crew.

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Re: Active Account: I'm puzzled

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I am still having the following problem regarding the active account
setting. I thought it may have been the old version I used, but it
still occurs:

> I'm currently a little puzzled by the right usage of the "active
> account"-setting. I found that setting only in the context menu of the
> taskbar icon. There the active account is set to my "primary" mail
> account. That account also has the checkmark "This account is the
> default for mailto: urls" under account properties ticked.

> However: whenever I create a new mail while one of my subfolders is
> selected in the folder list (no folder template defined!) the new mail
> is created with one of my other ("secondary") accounts active.

> Isn't the active account the account that should be used as the one
> for new mails?

> Thanks for any advice!

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Re: Active Account: I'm puzzled

[Martin Schuster]

Before anybody asks: I don't know why my signature displayed

> TB! 3.5.23 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4

...I am sure I upgraded to 3.5.30 a few days ago. But obviously my
un-zipper did not overwrite the old version of thebat.exe without
telling me.

I'll watch if the problem still occurs in 3.5.32 !

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Active Account: I'm puzzled

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I'm currently a little puzzled by the right usage of the "active
account"-setting. I found that setting only in the context menu of the
taskbar icon. There the active account is set to my "primary" mail
account. That account also has the checkmark "This account is the
default for mailto: urls" under account properties ticked.

However: whenever I create a new mail while one of my subfolders is
selected in the folder list (no folder template defined!) the new mail
is created with one of my other ("secondary") accounts active.

Isn't the active account the account that should be used as the one
for new mails?

Thanks for any advice!

-- 
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Re: Preview pane font changing [fixed in .31 as it seems]

[Martin Schuster]

I just wrote:

> I have a problem with the font in the preview pane sometimes changing.

...before I saw there is a new beta out. This seemed to have fixed the
problem.

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Preview pane font changing...and sticking! (minor problem)

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I have a problem with the font in the preview pane sometimes changing.

To reproduce this use a different font than courier in the preview
pane, have thread view activated and expand 9vals thread "A little
roadmap" (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]).

All was fine until I reached mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
by Den V. Yafyasov.

There my font (Pro Font, a small programmer's fixed with font,
http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/ ) in the preview pane
changed to courier. That might be ok because the mail uses
charset=koi8-r and Pro Font does not have international characters,
which courier might have.

But then something strange happens:

- I click on the next post (by Krzysztof Kudlacik) and the font stays
  courier (charset=us-ascii)

- I click on the next post (by Tony Boom) and the font still stays
  courier. Tonys mails are displayed normal usually, I think. Strange,
  but also charset=us-ascii

- So I click on myself out of the branch to the mail from Lars
  Stölter: Font changes to Pro Font again. Phuu! charset=ISO-8859-15

- Now when I click on Tony's or Krzysztofs mail the font does not
  change! It stays Pro Font. It changes only when I'm coming from Den's
  Mail.

What's going on there? Can anyone confirm this? Seems like its
connected to having not ISO-8859-15 as charset, maybe?

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Re: Removing those endless disclaimers in incoming mails

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Robin,

> Martin

> On Thu 23 June 2005, 00:10:09 +1000, you wrote:
>> The only thing I found in the archives was writing a filter that
>> stores the file to disk, opens a text editor and later reimporting the
>> message. 50 times a day? Not me! There has to be a more clever way!

> It's not the best way, but it could be automated so that YOU don't have
> to do it.

> If you can be sure of distinguishing the disclaimers from legitimate
> text, then the combination of a text editor that has sufficiently useful
> macros (I use UltraEdit which does) and an incoming mail filter would do
> the whole process automatically.

Yeah, you are right. I'd have to write my filters in UltraEdit then
;-) but who cares. As you mentioned it I think I remember there was a
command line parameter for executing macros in UE.

Will give it try, thanks!

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Re: New bug on refresh list of mail after moving one of them to an other folder...

[Martin Schuster]

Hello WilWilWil,

> When I move a mail from a folder to another, the list of mails is
> not refresh, so the mail just moved steel appears in the list. It's
> not all the time but often. Especially if the mail is not read
> flagged !

> It's truth when the move is done with menu or key shortcut or drag'ndrop...

> Do you have this problem ?

Confirmed, had this problem several times. No structure noticeable
when it appears, but I did not watch it intensively.

Message is finally gone when I change to another folder and back.

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Re: Removing those endless disclaimers in incoming mails

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Dwight,

>> I want to automatically remove those endless disclaimers some
>> companies put in the bottom of every mail. Is there a filter setting
>> or some other clever trick to do this?

> There is some moralistic notion among some bat users and apparently
> the developers that this would be wrong, and so it is not allowed. To
> tamper with the mail someone sends you is viewed as not your right,
> because someone wanted you to have mail which had endless disclaimers.

> We are allowed to delete whole mails, but not to crop or annotate in
> the bodies of same, since every jot there is sacred.


Thought so, thanks for the reply. I just hope this bad habit will someday
dissappear...

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Removing those endless disclaimers in incoming mails

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I searched in the archives, but maybe I just don't know the right
english words to ask the right question... ;-)

I want to automatically remove those endless disclaimers some
companies put in the bottom of every mail. Is there a filter setting
or some other clever trick to do this?

The only thing I found in the archives was writing a filter that
stores the file to disk, opens a text editor and later reimporting the
message. 50 times a day? Not me! There has to be a more clever way!

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Re: Site with all TB! keyboard shortcuts?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Darrin,

>   Is there a website that has a list of all the keyboard shortcuts for
>   TB? Save me some time asking a gazzilion questions (Is gazzilion
>   even a word?) h

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq.html

See "Is there a compiled list of keyboard shortcuts?"

It may be old, but you can try the ones you find interesting, and see
if they still work. Its a starting point at least.

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MailTicker only active on non-virtual folders?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

I just wondered why my mailticker doesn't open anymore since I
switched to the 3.5.x versions. I have one folder "unread" that
collects all unread mails from all relevant folders, and I used to
have that folder watched by MailTicker only. Worked fine.

Not anymore. Only when I switch to a "real" folder (not a virtual
folder) will MailTicker show up. Tried it with the same messages
unread, so its not a problem of "priority"- or "message age"-settings.

Can anyone confirm this? But as nobody has mentioned this on the lists
I guess I am again doing something stupid...?

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Re: An image catalogue app with VF ???

[Martin Schuster]

Hello MAU, Rich and Urban,

 Maybe someone found something like this? Thanks for any hints...

M>>> You may want to try ACDSee 7.0 from
M>>> http://www.acdsystems.com/, I belive
M>>> it does what you want.

>> ACDSee rocks. Also consider Google's FREE Picassa which may do this as
>> well.

> Altough I haven't tried it, PixVue  seems to be
> a third alternative for you to try.

Thanks for your ideas. But I have tried both, and they don't work that
way. ACDSee does not use the IPTC- or EXIF-Informations for
automatically creating "groups of images" (or "virtual folders", as
the Bat-Pro calls them) but a proprietary database. PixVue also needs
the images dragndropped into its "galleries", and does not construct
galleries by itself based on image criteria.

Shortly after writing my first post I found, however, that Picasa
works quite well in searching IPTC-Infos. And although it does not let
you store searches (like TheBat does *sigh*) it works quite similar: I
type some letters, and Picasa shows all images that have that keyword
(or combinations thereof) in the blink of an eye.



Well, it just makes me realize again how clever the whole VF and store
a search as VF and and and... in TheBat are done. Let's not forget that
between all the complaining about missing and badly working features:
I would wish some of my other progs would work as good as TheBat
does!

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: Visual Indication of ALT Searching

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Chris,


> When I ALT-click on some entry in the message list, The Bat! goes into
> what I call ALT Search Mode. This works just fine. However, there does
> not seem to be any indication that The Bat! is in this mode. Is there
> some visual indication of this that I am missing?

No, this is definitely missing. And would, at the same time, solve the
next problem, too:

> Should ALT Search Mode disable itself when switching from folder to
> folder. I can see advantages for doing so and not doing so.

No I don't think it should. If it is clearly marked that you are
ALT-filtering there would be no doubt.

I'd propose (don't know if thats possible) to make the column have a
colored (grey or something) background, like in XP Windows Explorer
the column you sort by (saying this I realize this could confuse some
people...as it does not indicate sorting...).

Better maybe: have the column header marked.

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Re: No color group display on first message if thread collapsed?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Roelof,

M>> Just noticed: when the first message of a thread is colored and the
M>> thread is collapsed and there are still unread messages below the
M>> coloring gets lost.

> Not over here.
> When you defined the color group, did you enter settings for 'unread'?

Confirmed: I was just too blind to see there is a second setting for
"unread" °!°
...thanks Roelof

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No color group display on first message if thread collapsed?

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

Just noticed: when the first message of a thread is colored and the
thread is collapsed and there are still unread messages below the
coloring gets lost. I thought to use this as a workaround for the
missing "watch this thread" functionality.

Or is this an intended behavior?

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Re: Slow spelling correction

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Paul,

> I am finding that when I right click on an incorrectly spelt word it
> takes up to 5 seconds for the list of suggested words to appear.  Is
> there anything I can do about this?

I know this doesn't help you much, but here it works fine (900 MHz).


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[OT] An image catalogue app with VF ???

[Martin Schuster]

Hello tbudl,

Sorry for this clearly 90% OT post, but I was searching the web up and
down for an image catalogue application that works just as perfectly
as the virtual folders in the bat:

- Mark some folders on the harddrive as "watched"
- Specify some IPTC or EXIF fields in the images as filter (most
  needed would of course be the IPTC Keywords)
- As result see only those images in a thumbnail view that match the
  settings

Maybe someone found something like this? Thanks for any hints...

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Re: Searching keyboard shortcuts and functions (e.g. "Collapse current thread")

[Martin Schuster]

Hello Martin,

Myself blubbered just a few seconds ago into Leif's direction:

> But: is it the same at your computer that CTRL-* collapses/expands
> *all* threads, not just the one that is currently active?

Sorry, I can't read. Shortcut list says clearly:

"Ctrl+* = open all the branches of all threads in a folder"

Now if that ain't clear enough...my fault.


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