Re: management of folders
On Monday, January 21, 2002 4:36:03 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote: What is good strategy for handling folders of incoming and sent messages? Is it a good idea to put sent messages in the same folder with incoming mail? What about setting up inbox and sent sub-folders for each mail folder (seems very complicated and does not really solve the problem of seeing sent messages with corresponding reply). Any suggestions? It depends on your needs. If you want mails for the same subject sorted together make a folder for it and one filter for incoming and one for outgoing mail to put all mails for this subject into that folder. Example: The Bat! Mailinglists. To archive *every* mail concerning TB! ML's make a folder TB! and filter all TB! ML mails into it. I for my part delete most mails I send after a few days automatically by setting the Sent Mail folder to delete mails after 2 days. I won't send you a PNG of my setup through the list for obvious reasons but if you think it would help you I can send it off-list. Another thing, It is not difficult to create sub-folders, but I do not recommend it for the System folders (Inbox, Outbox, Sent Mail and Trash). Why not? I've made sub-folders in the Sent Mail folder for the addresses I use regularly. The rest just remains in the main SM folder (I could of course also put them in a sub-folder 'miscellaneous'). I have at the moment 2250 messages in my SM folder, with 31 sub-folders, so that my sent messages are now neatly ordered. With this structure I can still easily search all my sent messages. I've also made sub-folders in my Trash folder, while I keep all messages for several reasons. If there are too many messages in it, I move the content to a special trash account (with sub-folders) on another disk. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: management of folders
On Monday, January 21, 2002 5:37:05 PM, Thomas F wrote: Hello Peter, On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:27:59 +0100 GMT (22/01/02, 00:27 +0800 GMT), Peter Smitt wrote: Another thing, It is not difficult to create sub-folders, but I do not recommend it for the System folders (Inbox, Outbox, Sent Mail and Trash). PS Why not? I've made sub-folders in the Sent Mail folder for the PS addresses I use regularly. Do you also have corresponding subfolders in your Inbox? No, while the Inbox is a dynamic folder, just like the Outbox - it's meant to be emptied (I never succeed completely, I'm always keeping a few dozen messages while I may want to reread them or to reply to them...). But the subfolders in my SM folder do have corresponding folders in the main account. For example, I have the folders tbudl and sent/tbudl. PS I've also made sub-folders in my Trash folder, Certainly, different people have different ways of working. ;-) One of the reasons is that I get messages in several different languages, and I put them in different subfolders in the Trash folder, while I may use them as a database for looking up certain expressions in another language. Of course you can use Google for that, but sometimes an off-line database can also be useful. Another reason is that I sometimes calculate some statistics of the messages of a certain list (and then I need all the messages that have appeared on that list, not only the ones that I've kept in the folder for that list). Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: management of folders
On Monday, January 21, 2002 6:01:13 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote: Hello Peter! On Monday, January 21, 2002 at 5:27:59 PM you wrote: Why not? That just shows how different needs and concepts are. To answer your question: I don't recommend it. I haven't written Why not to do it: Actually my ordering system uses the system folders as general (others may utilize non-account folders in the betas). After years of using very complex hierarchical directories I've come to the conviction that less is better - the less complex something is the better it will survive. And files/messages are easier to find and access with less levels. I think my system is very simple. In most cases I use only 1 level, sometimes 2 levels (as with the sent folder) and in one case 3 levels. At the moment I have some 3 messages in my account (trash folders excluded) and sometimes it is much easier to retrieve a certain message or to browse a folder if you use more than one level. I suppose you also use sometimes subdirectories... Further I find it much easer to have all my sent messages in one group of folders than divided into many different folders that are not part of the same folder. I can recommend it! BTW, that's why I own a *filofax* instead of *Time/system* or *Chronoplan*. The second and third are - typically German? - much too overorganized. I don't know any of them, so I can't comment on that... Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:55:10 AM, Joe Finocchiaro wrote: Gez. It's days just like this that make you want to go guzzle a bottle of scotch and then put a gun in your mouth. Bingo! So that's how you do it! I knew there had to be a way, that TB! was otherwise just too damn good of a program not to allow you to retain the formatting from a cut and pasted blob of text. If I told everyone here what I've been doing, all these many months now, to get around this perceived problem, you'd all laugh, so I'm not going to do it. But suffice it to say, I'm laughing hard enough for everyone else. Thank you, Peter! Thank you, Peter! PS: Yep, Jan's recent words should be inscribed on every Bat! user's tombstone: Is it possible that you are not yet familiar enough with TB! to know how to implement all its options to get what you want? Yeah, very helpful indeed. Perhaps there is someone else on this list with a bit less selfcongratulation who can tell me (and a few other dumb idiots) how to get around this problem. I've also tried the feedback option of TB, but I got no answer to my question. No doubt it is all very trivial, but maybe *someone* will deign to help us poor muddlers. Hey, I even thought that it was the idea of this list to help people with these kinds of problems, but I must have been wrong about that. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:50:32 AM, Allie C Martin wrote: @ 11:17:47 +0100 [ Sun, 30 Dec 2001], Peter Smitt [PS] wrote these words of wisdom: ... PS Yeah, very helpful indeed. Perhaps there is someone else on this PS list with a bit less selfcongratulation who can tell me (and a few PS other dumb idiots) how to get around this problem What problem? The message editor for TB!? PS I've also tried the feedback option of TB, but I got no answer to PS my question. No doubt it is all very trivial, but maybe *someone* PS will deign to help us poor muddlers. Hey, I even thought that it PS was the idea of this list to help people with these kinds of PS problems, but I must have been wrong about that. With this attitude you're unlikely to get much help here. You're exhibiting an attitude that I haven't encountered for a long time on this list. What attitude? I wasn't asking for help, I just sent a message with my ideas about the disadvantages of the editor of TB, and I get a sarcastic reply suggesting that I'm a kind of idiot who can't see how easily this perceived problem can be circumvented. Your message before this one seemed to be an opinion, rather than a request for assistance. That's right, I understood that there was no solution for me, and I gave also the reasons for that. But now I get a comment implying that my problem is more or less imaginary, if I just know how to use all the features of TB. My only comment was that it would be more helpful to say *how* you can circumvent the problem than just snigger about those dumb people who have problems with this feature. This message was in reply to a message where the author is celebrating having found a solution to a problem which you said in your earlier message didn't really affect you much. What problem? The pasting of text in the editor? I said at least that that didn't bother me much, so why then the sarcastic reaction on my mail? That would then be quite beside the point. I thought I missed a solution for my no-wrapping-after-rewriting problem, but now you suggest it is only about pasting text (at least that is what I understand). IOW's please revise what the problem is. What I mentioned in my previous mail, that I have to use alt L continuously when I write a message, while I often make corrections in the text. Your insights into the auto-format feature and its limitations are accurate. The TB! editor cannot be made to behave in a way that you wish it to. This is probably why you haven't had a response on this list to your comment. Neither did I expect a comment, I wasn't asking a question. But then I got a reaction implying that I was so dumb that I couldn't see the solution to my problem. Well, that is not the attitude I expect on this list, and *that* is what I said in my previous message. I'm amazed that you now are criticizing MY attitude in that regard. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:47:47 PM, Carsten Thönges wrote: I'm one of these TB! editor fans. I see three solutions to your problem (this is not meant ironically!): - type your mails in a word processor you like (word, ...) and copy/paste into the TB! editor Too laborious; perhaps I'd do that if I had to write a very long message, but in practice that never happens. - wait for TB! version 2 I'm looking forward to it! - give another mail client a try (becky, ...) No, I like TB too much (but that doesn't imply that I'm happy with *every* feature of it). Many users new to TB! don't like the editor. But the longer they work with it... ;-) I'm now working with it since June 2000, and I still don't like it. Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], please. Nah, that's all for my part. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:17:33 PM, Joe Finocchiaro wrote: Nope, I sure wasn't. I was just trying to thank Peter for helping me solve *my* problem, even if he apparently did it unknowingly. I'm sorry if Peter took it the wrong way. *I'm* the guy who was so dumb that he couldn't see the solution to his problem until Peter came along and presented it to him on a platter. Ok, then I've misunderstood you completely. I apologize for accusing you wrongfully. An explanation of my reaction may be that I've sometimes observed in some messages on this list a rather condescending attitude towards people who don't know all the ins and outs of TB, and your reaction seemed to me to fit into that pattern, but it turns out that I was completely wrong on that count. I gotta try speaking Greek for a while. This English thing ain't working for me anymore. Perhaps a bit more extensive use of quoting would've made your meaning more clear? :( ;) Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:48:12 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: PS What I mentioned in my previous mail, that I have to use alt L PS continuously when I write a message, while I often make PS corrections in the text. The simpler method is to press Ctrl-Shift-F, type your corrections and press Ctrl-Shift-F again when finished to turn the auto-format back off. This is much more convenient than random Alt-L's. Not for me; when I then type just one character in an indented passage or a table or something like that, the whole layout is suddenly destroyed. With Cntrl L you have at least some control over what passages you want to reformat. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: BAT's word wrapping abilities...
On Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:41:12 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: S Is it normal, that the BAT cannot wrap correctly? Whenever I paste S a text, it just keeps on going towards a few meters outside the S right side of my monitor - why can it not wrap it? Because it is not supposed to unless you use Paste formatted (Shift-Ctrl-Ins). This is by design. S I was told by one of the programmers, that I would have to use some S keyboard combination, but that doesn't work out correctly all the S time, since I sometimes have certain formatted texts, that lose all S their formatting once I do that. That's why it's not supposed to reformat when pasting normally. I seldom paste text when I edit a message, so I've no problem using alt L if that happens occasionally. But I change very often text that I've written, and I find it quite irritating that I have to use alt L continually to keep the text readable. When I use auto-wrap I want to have auto-wrap, and not free formatting. The problem is that TB tries to combine two different methods that are not really compatible into one option. Auto-format is useless for me, as I often use indented and/or shorter lines. I think it would be much better two have two different options: 1. auto-wrap (as long as you edit the program uses soft returns, which are converted to hard returns when you save the file, and with the enter key you can force a hard return), without free format (so if you want to move the cursor ahead of the text you have to insert spaces or tabs - I have no problem with that), 2. no auto-wrap and free format (you can move the cursor everywhere). The editor as it now is, is definitely unpractical when it tries to combine these options. I find this one of the flaws of TB (which is further still the best mailprogram I know). Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Replacing Outlook
On Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:27:04 AM, Geoff Lane wrote: Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 I'm trying to replace MS Outlook. TB more than replaces Outlook as a mail client. However, I can't find a reminder application that comes close to Outlook. FWIW, I've tried Sidekick 95, Lotus Organizer 2.1, and some shareware/freeware like Organizer 3000. None of these applications meet with two of my requirements: 1. Allow events to be set at any regular interval up to a year. For example, I have a ten-tape backup rotation. To set reminders for the month 1, month 2, and month 3 tapes, I need an interval of sixteen weeks. 2. The alarm must display even if the computer is started after the event has passed. For example, if the computer is switched off when a reminder to renew insurances is due, that reminder should display when the computer is started. Any suggestions? TIA, I use Remind-Me, it can do all these things. See: http://www.beiley.com Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Replacing Outlook
On Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:36:41 PM, Ray Vermey wrote: Hello Peter, 4 Dec 2001, 12:28:53, you wrote: PS On Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:27:04 AM, Geoff Lane wrote: PS I use Remind-Me, it can do all these things. PS See: PS http://www.beiley.com Does it sync with Pocket-PC and Zoot ?? Cheers Ray Sorry, I've no idea... I don't even know what these things are! Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:36:16 AM, Nick Andriash wrote: At 12:47 AM 01/12/01, Don Zeigler wrote: The Bat *needs* to be able to compose in html format. As far as viewing html mails, we should have the option of using the Bat's built-in limited viewer (which is enought for my own needs, anyhow) or selecting Microsoft's viewer if we want to see the mail with images, etc. Negative! If people want to see all that fancy HTML, then they can use a Browser to view it, which is what HTML was designed for. I would have to disagree with you that TB! 'needs' to be able to do HTML anything. What you are proposing is an Outlook 'wannabe', and I for one hope RITLabs never entertain going that route. I agree wholeheartedly. My experience is that 99% of the people who use html in their mails even don't know that they do so. They are just the victims of the default options of Outlook. Spammers use html deliberately, but I don't feel obliged to support them. The Bat! shouldn't become an Outlook clone, it is just the difference that makes it an attractive and safe alternative. No use for wasting resources for an option that is deliberately used only by a few percent of the population. Let them muddle with Outlook. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: replycount
On Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:01:56 AM, Shahar wrote: Han, %SINGLERE in your reply template. Why is this not the default setting? I've heard many complaints on mailing lists about this replycount number feature of TB. Nobody seems to like it... Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
attachment panel in message finder
When I use the message finder and there is a message with an attachment, an attachment panel is opened at the left. Now this is too small, so I enlarge it with the mouse, but next time I use the message finder, the panel is back to its original size. How can I change the width of this panel permanently? Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
