Account configuration file

[Olivier Reubens]

Hi,

First.  DON'T ask my _WHY_ I want what I'm asking here, it's already
been put off topic, and you can review the history of it in previous
messages...
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The information for each The Bat! mail account is apparently stored in
a file called ACCOUNT.CFG (stored at :\TheBat\Main\\),
unfortunately, this information is stored in some binary format and I
feel hesitant to just go changing the stuff stored in there.  (why did
they not use simple INI files here :-(  )

Is there a formal description of how this file is made up ?  If yes, I
could modify my "OnConnect" program to fill in the details of my
current ISP and change the SMTP server setting depending on what ISP
I'm connected to.  This would basically solve my problem altogether.

If a description is not available, Is there a way to modify the
information by calling some other program given a correct set of
commandline parameters ?  (maybe something like /TheBat.exe
/SetAccount:"accountname,smtpserver,mailbox,password") is available or
maybe there is an API call I can do into one of the DLL's ?

I've been giving TheBat! a thourough testing, and it's addressing all
of my needs EXCEPT for a more automatic way to change SMTP servers of
the various accounts.

Olivier Reubens.
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Re: Account configuration file

[Manfred Ell]

On 13-01-2001 at 00:10:53GMT +0100 (which was 23:10 where I live)
Olivier Reubens wrote regarding the subject of "Account configuration file"


Hello Olivier,

Olivier> I've been giving TheBat! a thourough testing, and it's addressing all
Olivier> of my needs EXCEPT for a more automatic way to change SMTP servers of
Olivier> the various accounts.

There's nothing you can do about this and this discussion has been
dead-horsed so you're stretching your luck with Marck here!

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Re: Account configuration file

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Manfred,

On 13 January 2001 at 23:40:24 + (which was 23:40 where I
live) Manfred Ell wrote and made these points:

Olivier>> I've been giving TheBat! a thourough testing, and it's addressing all
Olivier>> of my needs EXCEPT for a more automatic way to change SMTP servers of
Olivier>> the various accounts.

ME> There's nothing you can do about this and this discussion has been
ME> dead-horsed so you're stretching your luck with Marck here!

:-)  to  be fair, Olivier has acknowledged that and has returned the
topic  to  that  of TB's configuration file format and started a new
thread to hold that.

IIRC  someone mentioned that, by using multiple permutations whereby
all   possible  accounts  are  defined  with  all  possible  server
combinations,  then  the  command  line  /ACCOUNT= invocation can be
used  to  switch  to  the  right  one  at  the  right time. Creative
filtering can consolidate the mail into the correct core account and
Read filters can then proliferate to sub-folders.

However,  I  think  that,  if  Olivier  can  come  up  with a way of
dynamically  setting  the  SMTP  address within the config file (and
yes,  it  is  a pain that standard .ini files aren't used ), then
he's onto a winner. You may have to just "experiment" here, Olivier.
I don't remember anyone having owned up to having done anything like
this and I've been on the list from day one (of course).

Right now, this is a new thread and on-topic, so let's let it ride a
few  deep, but not to get too techy, carried away into realms of ISP
policy and open SMTP relays lest we scare the less hardy amongst us.

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Re: Account configuration file

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Olivier,

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:10:53 +0100 GMT (14/01/2001, 07:10 +0800 GMT),
Olivier Reubens wrote:

Olivier> Is there a formal description of how this file is made up ?

No. :-(

Olivier>  If yes, I
Olivier> could modify my "OnConnect" program to fill in the details of my
Olivier> current ISP and change the SMTP server setting depending on what ISP
Olivier> I'm connected to.  This would basically solve my problem altogether.

Correct. This functionality is another module for the delopers wto
write, as this wish has come forward a few times. While you describe
what should be done, it cannot at the moment.

Maybe, if you send a message to RITlabs, they will give you the
description, and if you succeed in switching the SMTP server
automatically, let us know! :-)

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Re: Account configuration file

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jannik,

On 14 January 2001 at 12:24:59 +0100 (which was 11:24 where I
live) Jannik Lindquist wrote and made these points:

JL> IMHO, it's getting mighty hard to tell what's on-topic and what's
JL> off-topic now!!!

Not  really.  It  seems  pretty easy to me (and the dozen or so that
left  the  list  during  the  long  and  drawn  out  discussion that
shouldn't  have  been  continued  here  in the first place). If it's
about  TB  configuration  options,  templates, macros, RegExes, "how
to"s in general, then it's right to discuss it here. When it becomes
about  ISP  SMTP  policy it is clearly OT and should be discussed on
TBOT.

That  discussion  stopped  being about TB itself and "how to" within
about  2  replies.  That's  when it went OT and should have left the
list. I have had "thank you" messages for reining that one in, so it
wasn't  just  my  arbitrary  judgement that made it OT. It *clearly*
was.


Now  - enough of that. This is not an "experts" discussion list. Try
to  use  your  own  judgement  as to when you're stepping outside of
matters  of  general interest and direct relevance to TB. Don't just
leave it to me to wave the "big stick".


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Re: Account configuration file

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Jannik,

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:24:59 +0100 GMT (14/01/2001, 19:24 +0800 GMT),
Jannik Lindquist wrote:

MDP>> :-)  to  be fair, Olivier has acknowledged that and has returned the
MDP>> topic  to  that  of TB's configuration file format and started a new
MDP>> thread to hold that.

Jannik> IMHO, it's getting mighty hard to tell what's on-topic and what's
Jannik> off-topic now!!!

I guess when it's about TB, it's on-topic, but when a few messages in
the thread have related to things that have nothing to do with TB any
more (general discussions about ISP's and SMTP servers, for example),
it's off-topic.

Jannik> To stress the point: I am not asking a question about ISP's, SMTP's
Jannik> and what not. I am simply asking why anyone would *ever* want to set
Jannik> up TB with more than *one* mailbox when it isn't necessary.

I have seperate accounts because I want to. TB gives me the
possibility to do just that, and I want to use it. REason enough. ;-)

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Re: Account configuration file

[Karin Spaink]

On 14-01-2001 at 00:10, Olivier Reubens kindly wrote:

> The information for each The Bat! mail account is apparently stored in
> a file called ACCOUNT.CFG (stored at :\TheBat\Main\\),

Coorect.

> Is there a formal description of how this file is made up ?

No, unfortunately not.

>  If yes, I
> could modify my "OnConnect" program to fill in the details of my
> current ISP and change the SMTP server setting depending on what ISP
> I'm connected to.  This would basically solve my problem altogether.

Ah, perhaps what you could do is work with a batch file...

Create an account.cfg for all your accounts, store them in a
safe place (perhaps :\TheBat\Main\extra\), and then
have a batch file copy the appriopriate .cfg into your
\Main\Mailbox program, so that TB has the correct
information for that dial-up available. Then, wehn you
connect to another provider, your batch file will copy
*that* account's information to the proper place.


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Re: Account configuration file

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Karin,
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, at 15:24:42 +0100 you wrote:

KS> Ah, perhaps what you could do is work with a batch file...

KS> Create an account.cfg for all your accounts, store them in a
KS> safe place (perhaps :\TheBat\Main\extra\), and then
KS> have a batch file copy the appriopriate .cfg into your
KS> \Main\Mailbox program [...]

I thought about that, too. But what would happen if you wanted
to change something in your account setup?
What is stored in those files? Column settings? Filter rules? If
you changed these, it could be a real mess to recreate your
backup .cfg files :-(
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Re: Account configuration file

[Olivier Reubens]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:19:18 +0100, you wrote:

>I thought about that, too. But what would happen if you wanted
>to change something in your account setup?
>What is stored in those files? Column settings? Filter rules? If
>you changed these, it could be a real mess to recreate your
>backup .cfg files :-(
The make-multiple-files-and-just-copy-right-one solution had occured
to me. but you stated it right on the nose why I'm not feeling very
comfortable in doing it that way.  If the file _ONLY_ has account
details, it wouldn't be a problem. But it appears also templates are
stored in it.

Experimenting so far only resulted in crashing TheBat! several times
:-(

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Re: Account configuration file

[Karin Spaink]

On 14-01-2001 at 19:01, Olivier Reubens kindly wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:19:18 +0100, you wrote:

[me suggesting batch files connected to dial-up entries, and
therein copying the appropriate account.cfg to its proper
place]

>>I thought about that, too. But what would happen if you wanted
>>to change something in your account setup?
>>What is stored in those files? Column settings? Filter rules? If
>>you changed these, it could be a real mess to recreate your
>>backup .cfg files :-(

> The make-multiple-files-and-just-copy-right-one solution had occured
> to me. but you stated it right on the nose why I'm not feeling very
> comfortable in doing it that way.  If the file _ONLY_ has account
> details, it wouldn't be a problem. But it appears also templates are
> stored in it.

Create several users and a Grouyp user. Then, in the future,
log in to TB using the Group User account. Templates and
filters created from the Group User account will appear in
*all* account.cgf files.

Done ;-)


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Re: Account configuration file

[David Buntenbroich]

Hello Olivier,

Sunday, January 14, 2001, 12:10:53 AM, you wrote:

> I've been giving TheBat! a thourough testing, and it's addressing all
> of my needs EXCEPT for a more automatic way to change SMTP servers of
> the various accounts.

I don't know if that was already suggested by someone else. It seems
to me that you might want to consider using an external program called
X-Ray.

>From the readme-file:

 X-Ray is a mail-filtering program. Major objectives of X-Ray are:

  1. To provide privacy by removing unwanted mail headers;
* 2. To make it convenient to switch between several different
 incoming and outgoing mail servers without reconfiguring your
 mail software;
  3. To operate stably and unobtrusively.

If you want to take a look, go to http://www.xrayapp.com/.

David

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Re[2]: Account configuration file

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Marck and other TBUDL's,

On Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 00:12:50 GMT + Marck D. Pearlstone
wrote on "Account configuration file":


MDP> :-)  to  be fair, Olivier has acknowledged that and has returned the
MDP> topic  to  that  of TB's configuration file format and started a new
MDP> thread to hold that.

IMHO, it's getting mighty hard to tell what's on-topic and what's
off-topic now!!!

Is it off-topic if I ask you, Olivier and everybody else possed with
the idea of making TB changing accounts automatically, why you think
this preferable to taking advantage of the great services on the web
that enables you to set up TB with only *one* mailbox?

To stress the point: I am not asking a question about ISP's, SMTP's
and what not. I am simply asking why anyone would *ever* want to set
up TB with more than *one* mailbox when it isn't necessary.

Flame me if you please - but kindly explain me what's on- and what's
off-topic while you do it! :-)



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OT: Re: Account configuration file

[Thomas]

Hi Jannik,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:15:35 +0100GMT (15/01/2001, 10:15 +0800GMT),
Jannik Lindquist wrote:

JL> I realize this - I am simply taking the liberty of asking why. You are
JL> free to answer that you don't want to tell me - but please don't
JL> pretend that a "because!" is an answer to a "why?" 

It is. Other than that, I think you're killing horses here. ;-)

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Re: Re[2]: Account configuration file

[Olivier Reubens]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:24:59 +0100, you wrote:

>Is it off-topic if I ask you, Olivier and everybody else possed with
>the idea of making TB changing accounts automatically, why you think
>this preferable to taking advantage of the great services on the web
>that enables you to set up TB with only *one* mailbox?
I do not _WANT_ one mailbox.
I _WANT_ (=need)  multiple identities,
I _WANT_ (=need) mail accounts from multiple domains.

The only "strange" thing here is that I'm getting my mailboxes from
different providers, if I had all my mailboxes at one provider, there
wouldn't be a problem, but alas, this isn't the case.

>To stress the point: I am not asking a question about ISP's, SMTP's
>and what not. I am simply asking why anyone would *ever* want to set
>up TB with more than *one* mailbox when it isn't necessary.
if it weren't necessary, I wouldn't even be here asking questions :-)

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Re: Re[2]: Account configuration file

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Olivier and other TBUDLS,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:05:26 +0100, Olivier wrote:

>>Is it off-topic if I ask you, Olivier and everybody else possed with
>>the idea of making TB changing accounts automatically, why you think
>>this preferable to taking advantage of the great services on the web
>>that enables you to set up TB with only *one* mailbox?
>I do not _WANT_ one mailbox.
>I _WANT_ (=need)  multiple identities,
>I _WANT_ (=need) mail accounts from multiple domains.

I realize this - I am simply taking the liberty of asking why. You are
free to answer that you don't want to tell me - but please don't
pretend that a "because!" is an answer to a "why?" 

>The only "strange" thing here is that I'm getting my mailboxes from
>different providers, if I had all my mailboxes at one provider, there
>wouldn't be a problem, but alas, this isn't the case.

I'm *really* looking forward to your opinion on the webmail-based
solutions suggested to you by myself and others. I do realize that you
do not want yet another account and that you do not like webmail. But
all that we - the reprensentatives of this stragegy - has really been
suggesting, is that you use the option some webmail providers give you
for sending from the TB no matter where you are connected - which
would amount to the same thing as having all your mailboxes at one
provider.

>>To stress the point: I am not asking a question about ISP's, SMTP's
>>and what not. I am simply asking why anyone would *ever* want to set
>>up TB with more than *one* mailbox when it isn't necessary.
>if it weren't necessary, I wouldn't even be here asking questions :-)

I regret making such a categorical statement. What I meant was: Do you
really think it is necessary? I guess, I now the answer by now. I just
don't agree. If you need several identities, the individual folders in
an account can give you that. This won't give you a nice drop-down
menu of identities in the "TO"-field when composing - but it will save
you the trouble of setting up filters, columns and templates for
several mailboxes. If you *like* doing these things, you are most
welcome! But if what we are discussing, is how to run TB in the
smoothest way on conditions of having to change connections and
wanting to have several identities, I find it hard to see that the
"how-to-make-TB-switch-accounts-with-ingeniuos-surgery-on-it's-finer-parts"-road
is the easiest way to travel. 

Best regards,

Jannik

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Re: OT: Re: Account configuration file

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Thomas and other TBUDLs,

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:38:59 +0800, you wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 03:15:35 +0100GMT (15/01/2001, 10:15 +0800GMT),
>Jannik Lindquist wrote:
>
>JL> I realize this - I am simply taking the liberty of asking why. You are
>JL> free to answer that you don't want to tell me - but please don't
>JL> pretend that a "because!" is an answer to a "why?" 
>
>It is. 

It is not. "Because..." is. "Because!" means: You are not going to get
an answer, so stop being a pest.

>Other than that, I think you're killing horses here. ;-)

I am quite interested in the subject discussed in this thread and in
the "Multiple e-mail everything"-thread. I spend quite some time
thinking on Oliviers problem and trying to answer it. He promised me
an answer, but before he had a chance to give it on-list, the
"Multiple e-mail everything"-thread was killed. As luck would have it
the honourable moderator permitted another thread on a variation on
these matters on the condition that it would not develop in to a
thread about general politics of ISP's, the finer technicalities of
SMTP-servers or to technical matters in general. I took great pains in
my previous post to specify that what interested *me* in this
discussion was *how to operatete TB* - and to express myself without
getting into to techical details. If the moderator think this is
off-topic, I'll be *very* disappointed. But that you take it upon you
to act as moderator-assistant disappoints me even more. It adds to
this newcomers impression of being in a posh discussion club where the
official rules equals the whims of the chairman and the long standing
members.

Best regards,

Jannik
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Re: OT: Re: Account configuration file

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:30:36 +0100, Jannik contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

 [..rest snipped..]
JL> If the moderator think this is off-topic, I'll be *very*
JL> disappointed.

The discussion can be declared a dead horse because it has become too
drawn out or unproductive (not getting anywhere or bickering has
started) to the point where the increased list traffic is more an
annoyance to the wider membership than the proceeds of the discussion.
This is a matter of judgement. I prefer the word 'judgement' to the
one you chose, i.e., 'whim'. :=)

JL> But that you take it upon you to act as moderator-assistant
JL> disappoints me even more.

Yes, we do discourage the moderatorial comments made by others,
*especially* those made through judgement rather than based on black
and white discussion rules.

JL> It adds to this newcomers impression of being in a posh discussion
JL> club

No. It's not posh at all. Just of very high quality. :=)

JL> where the official rules equals the whims of the chairman

The official rules do not equal the 'whims' of the moderators and you
should know this. Read the list charter rules and you'll see.

However, there's one part that reads thusly:

4. There comes a time in every argument that it becomes a dead
 
   horse.  If you wish to continue to beat this horse, take it
   to private e-mail or to TBOT (see the section at the end of
   these notes regard the TBOT list).

When that time comes depends solely on the judgement and experience of
the moderators. With respect to this very thread, if you wish to
continue contributing the way that you're doing then I'll have to
indeed declare this one a dead horse. You're being combative rather
than helpful. Oliver has rejected your solution to his problem and
seems steadfast about it. This is very clear to me. Trying to convince
him otherwise is a DEAD HORSE.

JL> and the long standing members.

If you read most documents on discussion list netiquette, there'll
usually be a part that says you should read the list for some time
before you start contributing to see how things are run and get a feel
of the list because whether you like it or not, the list is a
community and each community is different though this maybe slight. We
expect a relatively high degree of discipline and cooperation from our
members here and as soon as a veteran member sees a new member
behaving outside the acceptable scope of list behaviour, they usually
stand up in defense of the atmosphere they have grown accustomed to
and love. I see no problem with this.

Of course, Jannik, you will not be happy about any of this, because
you were one of those involved in the dead horsed discussion. :=)

I'll have to declare this discussion also dead until much later when
tempers have settled. Not, this time, because of the topic.

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Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[David Buntenbroich]

Hi,

could you tell me what happened here?

I wrote in the last message (and this is also what shows up in my sent
folder):

 "From the readme-file:" (without the quotes)

and now I just received my very own message with the following line

 ">From the readme-file:" (without the quotes)

Well, how did that ">" get there? It only happened in this one line.


David

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Re: Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello David,

DB = David Buntenbroich 

On  Sun, 14 Jan 2001  at  22:15:08 GMT +0100 (which was 1:15 PM where
I live) witnesses say David Buntenbroich typed:

DB>  ">From the readme-file:" (without the quotes)

DB> Well, how did that ">" get there? It only happened in this one line.

Some Mail Servers add that to avoid getting confused with the From
header.  Un/fortunately, TB does not strip the '>' from '>From'.  I
suppose there is no real way for TB to know if the original sender
intended to put it there or not.  Some assumptions could be made, but
it is probably better this way.

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Re: Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[SyP]

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Hello David,

You wrote on 1/14/2001, 10:15 PM:

David> could you tell me what happened here?

David> I wrote in the last message (and this is also what shows up in my sent
David> folder):

David>  "From the readme-file:" (without the quotes)

David> and now I just received my very own message with the following line

David>  ">From the readme-file:" (without the quotes)

David> Well, how did that ">" get there? It only happened in this one line.

According to what Kenneth Porter wrote on 8/10/2000, 8:57 PM:
>><<
The sequence "From" is used to denote the beginning of
a message. If this sequence occurs in the middle of a message,
sendmail is obligated to "quote" the "From" to prevent it from being
recognized as a message delimiter.
>><<
A MUA may or may not compensate for this. It seems TB isn't.

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Re: Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[Mike Yetto]

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, at 22:27:47 [GMT +0100], SyP wrote:

S> According to what Kenneth Porter wrote on 8/10/2000, 8:57 PM:
>>><<
S> The sequence "From" is used to denote the beginning of
S> a message. If this sequence occurs in the middle of a message,
S> sendmail is obligated to "quote" the "From" to prevent it from being
S> recognized as a message delimiter.
>>><<
S> A MUA may or may not compensate for this. It seems TB isn't.

What I have to add will change this theory.  I received the original
message with no quote mark preceding the "From".  The "From" started in
column one immediately following a blank line.  That is
"From" remained just that.

Mike Yetto

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Re: Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Mike,

On 14 January 2001 at 16:45:02 -0500 (which was 21:45 where I
live) Mike Yetto wrote and made these points:

MY> What I have to add will change this theory.

It  doesn't.  *Some* servers add it. Mine didn't. Neither did yours.
David's did.

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Re: Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[Mike Yetto]

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, at 22:48:06 [GMT +], Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> Hi Mike,

MDP> On 14 January 2001 at 16:45:02 -0500 (which was 21:45 where I
MDP> live) Mike Yetto wrote and made these points:

MY>> What I have to add will change this theory.

MDP> It  doesn't.  *Some* servers add it. Mine didn't. Neither did yours.
MDP> David's did.


I must have been reading "outgoing" server for no discernible reason.

Mike "never mind" Yetto

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Re: Strange > (was Re[2]: Account configuration file)

[Thomas]

Hi Marck,

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:48:06 +GMT (15/01/2001, 06:48 +0800GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MY>> What I have to add will change this theory.

MDP> It  doesn't.  *Some* servers add it. Mine didn't. Neither did yours.
MDP> David's did.

Mine did too, like many others'. TB could compensate for it, and this
has been but in as a wish a long time ago. I find the current
behaviour annoying (even though it's not TB's fault).

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