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Hi Januk, On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:16:27 -0700GMT (04/04/2000, 13:16 +0800GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: [...] JA Speaking about Netscape messenger, the one thing I miss from that JA mailer was in the message editor. The way it handled To,Cc, and Bcc JA fields was second to none. The way Netscape has it, you enter one JA address per line, and you can specify if it is for the To, CC or BCC JA field at anytime. I think this is the only feature I miss from that JA program. It only really makes a difference if you have a long list of JA people to whom you're sending the message. However, I suppose this JA doesn't really fit TB's WYSIWYG concept. 1.) I liked this feature too. And you could change a TO recipient to be a CC or BCC recipient as an afterthought. In TB, you have to delete him from the TO list and then recreate the entry for CC, or CP. 2.) I would like a window, instead of just a line, in TB showing the recipients of received mails as well. This one line going out of the screen, or the confusion when hitting shft-crtl-K, is not nice. PMMail shows the recipients nicely. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Creating a Mailing List ? Killing Dupes
Hello Januk, Monday, April 03, 2000, 11:16:27 PM, you wrote: JA When you hit the delete key, the text is still in your message JA database. Compress gets rid of that junk. Compress does not apply a compression algorithm then. JA Correct. I think most mailers that have this type of feature work JA similarly. I know this is how Netscape Messenger used to work. JA Speaking about Netscape messenger, the one thing I miss from that JA mailer was in the message editor. The way it handled To,Cc, and Bcc JA fields was second to none. The way Netscape has it, you enter one JA address per line, and you can specify if it is for the To, CC or BCC JA field at anytime. Right. Each line gives you a menu of choices when you click on the To: or whatever it is. That's simple and convenient. JA I think this is the only feature I miss from that program. There are other things: The message search app lets you find multiple strings at once, while TB!'s lets you search for one string in several places. Also, it's way of filing messages in different folders is very simple and faster. Then too, you can specify you inbox location, and change it. But you can't give all the attributes to your inbox that TB lets you do. While you can get Navigator as a standalone program, Messenger only comes with the bloated Communicator, and you can't legally get the 128 bit strong encryption with it if you're out of the US or Canada. a,d the last version I have of it (4.05) was one account at a time. Calypso's ability to select multiple signatures is nice also, although I guess TB! can do that via macros (more coded commands). Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Creating a Mailing List ? Killing Dupes
Hello Januk, Saturday, April 01, 2000, 11:28:08 PM, you wrote: JA Hello Douglas, JA Did I accidentally include your address in the To: field? Correct. JA I shouldn't have, but if I did, I do apologize. No need to. I would have gotten it anyway, just like all of TBUDL since November. This may or not be what you want to do (but I think TB - or your server - won't let you send a name in the to box without an email address also) but: JA So long as you have an address in the BCC: field TB will send your JA message without complaining. OK JA Someone (probably Alexander or Steve) had posted the appropriate JA section of the RFCs that covers this topic. The Archives should JA hold that info. "The Name of the Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] might serve your purpose. Also: you could make or open an account under the name of the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever domain you arrange to use. JA I like your idea, "The Name of the Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] is JA a good way to let the recipient know that it is a mailing list, and JA if they hit reply, there should be no problems. Just note that there JA probably shouldn't be two signs. I'm guessing it was a typo. :) Correct again. Then you could do a kill filter for the copy coming back if you really want to. Or, if you're a member of the list yourself, a periodic "Killing Dupes" (from the Folder Menu) is all it takes. JA Plus the advantage of getting a copy back is that you can check to JA make sure everything went out ok. With TB this isn't a very big deal, JA unless you are sending out attachments. Most of my TB! templates insert my address in the bcc box, so I don't have to look for them in sent. I think I also had a copy filtered to a self bbc folder on one account, which for some reason prevents it from being placed in sent. What I really want is the virtual folder / column feature that TB!2 is said to have. I want to see it all together as it comes in, without having to treat it all as one one account. That was the part of Calypso that I did like, along with being able to pause an account (not have it download with the rest) by write clicking on it, it's off line mode was good also, and being able to send a single message from the outbox by right clicking on it. TB! will send all of them I believe, unless you open it first. Otherwise though, Calypso sucks - their tech support is a nightmare and the Calypso users list receives a message every 4 months. The TB! multi-lingual message editor is so far above Calypso's that there's no comparison. **Speaking of "Killing Dupes"**: I was doing that a moment ago and hit the next one down the list - "Purge and Compress". What does that do? JA The Purge part goes through and gets rid of excess messages. If you JA don't have either "Keep messages in database for xx(days)" or JA "Maximum number of messages" then Purge does nothing. Then it did nothing. JA When you hit the delete key, the text is still in your message JA database. Compress gets rid of that junk. Compress does not apply a compression algorithm then. Thanks for the clear explanations, Januk. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ? Killing Dupes
Hello Douglas, On Monday, April 03, 2000 at 22:41:45 GMT -0600 (which was 8:41 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: JA The Purge part goes through and gets rid of excess messages. If you JA don't have either "Keep messages in database for xx(days)" or JA "Maximum number of messages" then Purge does nothing. Then it did nothing. I should point out, Purge is really PurgeCompress, but given the definition of compress, I guess it is somewhat redundant. JA When you hit the delete key, the text is still in your message JA database. Compress gets rid of that junk. Compress does not apply a compression algorithm then. Correct. I think most mailers that have this type of feature work similarly. I know this is how Netscape Messenger used to work. Speaking about Netscape messenger, the one thing I miss from that mailer was in the message editor. The way it handled To,Cc, and Bcc fields was second to none. The way Netscape has it, you enter one address per line, and you can specify if it is for the To, CC or BCC field at anytime. I think this is the only feature I miss from that program. It only really makes a difference if you have a long list of people to whom you're sending the message. However, I suppose this doesn't really fit TB's WYSIWYG concept. -- Thanks for writing Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/10 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Creating a Mailing List ? Killing Dupes
Hello Woofie, I haven't been following this thread but one of Januk's reply to you was directed to me and then I saw this one: This may or not be what you want to do (but I think TB - or your server - won't let you send a name in the to box without an email address also) but: "The Name of the Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] might serve your purpose. Also: you could make or open an account under the name of the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever domain you arrange to use. Then you could do a kill filter for the copy coming back if you really want to. Or, if you're a member of the list yourself, a periodic "Killing Dupes" (from the Folder Menu) is all it takes. **Speaking of "Killing Dupes"**: I was doing that a moment ago and hit the next one down the list - "Purge and Compress". What does that do? I looked in "Trash" but saw nothing from that folder. If it means what it sounds like it means, there ought to be a confirmation required. TB! told me 0% space was saved so that's not important, although as I rule I compress nothing - except when need to .zip or .rar something. Douglas Friday, March 31, 2000, 10:02:25 PM, you wrote: W Howdy Januk, W Saturday, April 01, 2000, 9:36:11 AM, you wrote: JA Hello Woofie, JA On Friday, March 31, 2000 at 09:30:05 GMT +0800 (which was 5:30 PM JA where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Thanks Leif..that page explains how to set up a discussion list, but not how to set up an ordinary mailing list where you want the recipients' names suppressed and just the name of the list displayed. The only way I have been able to do it is to put my own address in the TO line and put everyone else's in the BCC section. This is not the perfect solution, however, as I do not want an extra copy coming back to myself. JA Have you tried sending out a message with nothing in the To: line, JA but at least one address in the BCC line? It works for me. W Thanks Januk:) W That's what I used to do, but it caused a lot of probs for my W recipients, when they did a reply All W I want my recipients to see that the email they receive from me is W a multiple posting to a list of people whose email addies have been W suppressed. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ? Killing Dupes
Hello Douglas, On Saturday, April 01, 2000 at 20:34:00 GMT -0600 (which was 6:34 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: I haven't been following this thread but one of Januk's reply to you was directed to me and then I saw this one: I'm not sure I understand, how was my message directed to you? Did I accidentally include your address in the To: field? I shouldn't have, but if I did, I do apologize. This may or not be what you want to do (but I think TB - or your server - won't let you send a name in the to box without an email address also) but: So long as you have an address in the BCC: field TB will send your message without complaining. Someone (probably Alexander or Steve) had posted the appropriate section of the RFCs that covers this topic. The Archives should hold that info. "The Name of the Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] might serve your purpose. Also: you could make or open an account under the name of the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever domain you arrange to use. I like your idea, "The Name of the Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a good way to let the recipient know that it is a mailing list, and if they hit reply, there should be no problems. Just note that there probably shouldn't be two signs. I'm guessing it was a typo. :) Then you could do a kill filter for the copy coming back if you really want to. Or, if you're a member of the list yourself, a periodic "Killing Dupes" (from the Folder Menu) is all it takes. Plus the advantage of getting a copy back is that you can check to make sure everything went out ok. With TB this isn't a very big deal, unless you are sending out attachments. **Speaking of "Killing Dupes"**: I was doing that a moment ago and hit the next one down the list - "Purge and Compress". What does that do? The Purge part goes through and gets rid of excess messages. If you don't have either "Keep messages in database for xx(days)" or "Maximum number of messages" then Purge does nothing. When you hit the delete key, the text is still in your message database. Compress gets rid of that junk. -- Thanks for writing Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/10 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Creating a Mailing List ?
I must be suffering some kind of brain infarct, but for the life of me, I can't see how to create a simple Mailing List, with only two addresses, and have both those addresses in the BCC field, with the To: field showing only ABC List. I've created the Mailing List, and can see where I can enter the comma separated addresses, but in the Properties section, I can't see where I can allocate those addresses to the BCC field. I can only do that on an individual message basis. Can some kind soul point me in the right direction. Thanks so much... Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ?
Hello The Bat! users, Nick Andriash wrote at 3/31/2000, 9:06 PM NA I've created the Mailing List, and can see where I can enter the comma NA separated addresses, but in the Properties section, I can't see where I NA can allocate those addresses to the BCC field. I can only do that on an NA individual message basis. I think you cannot in this way. But you could distribute messages using templates with macros like %TO="Undisclosed-Recipient:;" %BCC="listname list" But I must admit that I'm not using TB as mailing list server and just thinking out loudly :) Bye: SyP -- A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner. (English proverb) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ?
Hello Nick, On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 at 12:06:33 [GMT -0800], you wrote: NA I've created the Mailing List, and can see where I can enter the NA comma separated addresses, but in the Properties section, I can't NA see where I can allocate those addresses to the BCC field. I can NA only do that on an individual message basis. NA Can some kind soul point me in the right direction. Thanks so NA much... Sure, go see the how-to on setting up TB as a mailing list server at: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/mailing_lists.shtml it's also in the TB Help file under Message Filtering / TB as a mailing list server, but I haven't checked to see if it is the latest version. The one on the web site is however. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/10 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Remember folks: Stop lights timed for 35mph are also timed for 70mph. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Creating a Mailing List ?
Howdy Leif, Saturday, April 01, 2000, 8:20:01 AM, you wrote: LG Hello Nick, LG On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 at 12:06:33 [GMT -0800], you wrote: NA I've created the Mailing List, and can see where I can enter the NA comma separated addresses, but in the Properties section, I can't NA see where I can allocate those addresses to the BCC field. I can NA only do that on an individual message basis. NA Can some kind soul point me in the right direction. Thanks so NA much... LG Sure, go see the how-to on setting up TB as a mailing list server at: LG http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/mailing_lists.shtml it's also in the TB LG Help file under Message Filtering / TB as a mailing list server, but I LG haven't checked to see if it is the latest version. The one on the web LG site is however. LG Leif Gregory Thanks Leif..that page explains how to set up a discussion list, but not how to set up an ordinary mailing list where you want the recipients' names suppressed and just the name of the list displayed. The only way I have been able to do it is to put my own address in the TO line and put everyone else's in the BCC section. This is not the perfect solution, however, as I do not want an extra copy coming back to myself. -- Best regards, Woofie Http://www.woofess.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ?
Hello Woofie, On Friday, March 31, 2000 at 09:30:05 GMT +0800 (which was 5:30 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Thanks Leif..that page explains how to set up a discussion list, but not how to set up an ordinary mailing list where you want the recipients' names suppressed and just the name of the list displayed. The only way I have been able to do it is to put my own address in the TO line and put everyone else's in the BCC section. This is not the perfect solution, however, as I do not want an extra copy coming back to myself. Have you tried sending out a message with nothing in the To: line, but at least one address in the BCC line? It works for me. -- Thanks for writing Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/10 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Creating a Mailing List ?
Howdy Januk, Saturday, April 01, 2000, 9:36:11 AM, you wrote: JA Hello Woofie, JA On Friday, March 31, 2000 at 09:30:05 GMT +0800 (which was 5:30 PM JA where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Thanks Leif..that page explains how to set up a discussion list, but not how to set up an ordinary mailing list where you want the recipients' names suppressed and just the name of the list displayed. The only way I have been able to do it is to put my own address in the TO line and put everyone else's in the BCC section. This is not the perfect solution, however, as I do not want an extra copy coming back to myself. JA Have you tried sending out a message with nothing in the To: line, JA but at least one address in the BCC line? It works for me. Thanks Januk:) That's what I used to do, but it caused a lot of probs for my recipients, when they did a reply All I want my recipients to see that the email they receive from me is a multiple posting to a list of people whose email addies have been suppressed. -- Best regards, Woofie Http://www.woofess.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Creating a Mailing List ?
On Friday, March 31, 2000, 5:30:05 PM, Woofie wrote: Thanks Leif..that page explains how to set up a discussion list, but not how to set up an ordinary mailing list where you want the recipients' names suppressed and just the name of the list displayed. The only way I have been able to do it is to put my own address in the TO line and put everyone else's in the BCC section. This is not the perfect solution, however, as I do not want an extra copy coming back to myself. What I did, was set up a new Contact with the name I wanted to use, but didn't associate any E-Mail addresses with it in the Address Book. I then created an Address Book template... kept the To: line empty, and put in comma separated addresses in the BCC: field. It seemed to send OK, but I'm just waiting for word back from the recipients to see if everyone received the test message properly. The only drawback to this of course, is always having to open the address book just to send a message to that List. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
