Re: F1 key
A Bat-fellow, Carsten Thönges, wrote on Saturday, 6th April 2002 at 03:23:17 (GMT +0200), which was ditto in Bratislava -- SS [...] But F2 is supposed to be Get New Mail not Send Now - I SS don't even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to SS understand why F2 sends my mail. CT in the editor F2 means Send mail. Hm, sort of usability bug IMHO and CT a good reason to let TB! ask for confirmation of immediate CT sending (account properties) ;) Hardly a bug, especially since now you can modify your shortcuts to whatever pleases you. Over the years, I have developed a loving relationship towards the F9 key: I love hitting it as many times as possible. So in all programs that allow it, I assign F9 to whatever action is most frequently needed for me while working in the program. And so, the same F9 key on my computer means Move Message to... in TB!'s main window, Save Message in TB!'s editor, Copy Files in WinCommander, and Save All in all of my text or html editors. (Now why doesn't Opera allow me to get rid of the obnoxious CTRL+F3 shortcut for viewing source code?) I like the logic behind TB!'s employment of F2 depending on whether you're reading or composing mail -- it's one of the few default TB! shortcuts I've left untouched. On the other hand, there seems to be a genuine bug connected with keyboard shortcuts, at least on my system, that has been there in all recent beta versions and in the 1.60 release: if you open multiple TB! Editor windows, the keyboard shortcuts you had previously assigned in the Shortcuts Editor only work for the Editor window you open first; in all the subsequently opened TB! Editor windows TB! reverts to default TB! Editor keyboard shortcuts, which is a nuisance. I am currently reduced to having just one TB! Editor window open at any time. Has anyone else encountered the problem? -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.60 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F2 key (was F1 key)
Hello Avenarius, Saturday, April 6, 2002, 2:40:32 AM, you wrote: A Bat-fellow, Carsten Thönges, wrote on Saturday, 6th April 2002 at 03:23:17 (GMT +0200), which was ditto in Bratislava -- SS [...] But F2 is supposed to be Get New Mail not Send Now - I SS don't even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to SS understand why F2 sends my mail. CT in the editor F2 means Send mail. Hm, sort of usability bug IMHO and CT a good reason to let TB! ask for confirmation of immediate CT sending (account properties) ;) Hardly a bug, especially since now you can modify your shortcuts to whatever pleases you. Over the years, I have developed a loving relationship towards the F9 key: I love hitting it as many times as possible. So in all programs that allow it, I assign F9 to whatever action is most frequently needed for me while working in the program. And so, the same F9 key on my computer means Move Message to... in TB!'s main window, Save Message in TB!'s editor, Copy Files in WinCommander, and Save All in all of my text or html editors. (Now why doesn't Opera allow me to get rid of the obnoxious CTRL+F3 shortcut for viewing source code?) I like the logic behind TB!'s employment of F2 depending on whether you're reading or composing mail -- it's one of the few default TB! shortcuts I've left untouched. It seems strange to me that the same key would have opposite uses depending on which screen you're on. Also, I can't find anything that tells me F2 means Send Now in the editor window - the menu says the shortcut is Ctrl-Enter, the help file says the shortcut is Shift-F2 (actually the help file reverses the Send Now and Queue in Outbox shortcuts - presumably a typo). Neither refer to F2. In fact until I discovered (2 minutes ago) the separate short-cut editor for the editor window (I had foolishly assumed there would be only one for the whole program), I couldn't figure out what was meant by in the editor F2 means Send mail. I don't see how anyone would know that except by stumbling across it by accident, as I did. In any case, it seems to me that a single key Send Now command is a recipe for disaster - it's way too easy to strike a single key by mistake. I've now disabled it, but I think it's at least a design fault that the menus don't display F2 as the shortcut for 'Send Now (if only so that people who hit it by mistake can figure out what happened to their message). -- Best regards, Shaunamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F2 key (was F1 key)
A Bat-fellow, Shauna Scott, wrote on Saturday, 6th April 2002 at 09:28:23 (GMT -0700), which was 18:28 in Bratislava -- SS It seems strange to me that the same key would have opposite uses SS depending on which screen you're on. Also, I can't find anything that SS tells me F2 means Send Now in the editor window - the menu says the SS shortcut is Ctrl-Enter, the help file says the shortcut is Shift-F2 SS (actually the help file reverses the Send Now and Queue in Outbox SS shortcuts - presumably a typo). Neither refer to F2. Some of the TB! menus can be extremely confusing. Especially since the behaviour of F2 versus SHIFT+F2 depends upon what option you select in your Account | Properties | Transport | Delivery: Immediate / Deferred. F2 assumes the role of SHIFT+F2 and vice versa, depending on what you select here, and this may vary from account to account. If you look at this screenshot -- which is the current configuration of keyboard shortcuts in my editor: www.avenarius.sk/misc/short.png -- it is totally confusing. I don't know what the hell the entries are supposed to mean -- how come there's a double entry for one item, with two different shortcuts shown that however produce *different* results on my system? In spite of the confusion I've somehow succeeded in configuring the Editor's behaviour to my satisfaction, which is F2 = queue in outbox, SHIFT+F2 = send immediately, with the Deferred Delivery option selected. CTRL+ENTER equally queues in outbox, but I don't use it. Unfortunately the CTRL+ENTER shortcut refuses to get deleted or relocated on this machine; it gets restored for its default menu item every time you open another message to edit. And it is true that, as you say, F2 is shown nowhere among the regular Message menu items. SS I couldn't figure out what was meant by in the editor F2 means SS Send mail. I don't see how anyone would know that except by SS stumbling across it by accident, as I did. Guess all of us did! It's a fantastic achievement for Ritlabs to be offering configurable keyboard shortcuts in 1.60 (the original rumour had it this would only be incorporated in Version 2 for which you need to re-register) but it would probably offend no one if the current Keyboard Shortcuts Editor were completely redesigned from scratch for Version 2. (For instance, a useful currently missing option is Restore All Defaults. Or, in the manner of DreamWeaver 4, the option to save any particular set of keyboard shortcuts and the ability to switch between such sets effortlessly from within the application.) In fact the most recent rumour has it that Version2 will indeed feature a completely redisigned Keyboard Shortcuts Editor along with the ability for each user to completely redesign the appearance of all menus. So our unease about the missing F2 menu item shouldn't last beyond the appearance of V2. -- Yours, Alex. of Slovakia www.avenarius.sk [flying with The Bat! 1.60 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A amd k6-2 500 mhz processor with 128 mb ram] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F1 key
Hello Shauna, On Friday, April 5, 2002 at 7:06:25 PM you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part): SS Twice in the last two days *WOW* ... I've used it 4 times only today ... are going to break my record? *SCRN* ... What did you want to tell us with this e-mail??? -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Boot in the root! BAT in the FAT! Backup! Backup! DAT DAT DAT! Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F1 key
Hello Shauna, Friday, April 5, 2002, 10:06:25 AM, you wrote: Hello All, Twice in the last two days Sorry - that was in the nature of a test - a couple of times lately I've hit the F2 key (that's what I was testing - whether it was the F1 key or the F2 key) instead of the 2 key while composing a message (comes from typing with the keyboard tray pushed under the desk), only to have my message vanish off the screen. In two cases, the message got sent as if I had selected Send Now (Ctrl-Enter) (The third time I actually hit Shift-F2, so I found the message in the Outbox, which is at least the expected behaviour, even if it is a little disconcerting to have your message vanish). But F2 is supposed to be Get New Mail not Send Now - I don't even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to understand why F2 sends my mail. -- Best regards, Shaunamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F1 key
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:23:58 -0700GMT (which was 05.04.02, 19:23 +0200GMT where I live), Shauna Scott wrote the following about F1 key: SS But F2 is supposed to be Get New Mail not Send Now - I don't SS even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to SS understand why F2 sends my mail. Hi Shauna, I don't understand your F2 behaviour neither. Perhaps you should find a way to have your keyboard _on_ desk instead of beneath... ;-) You could activate confirm immediate sending in account's properties - options to further avoid unwanted sending anyway. *s* -- Cheers Peter Winamp currently playing: Nick CaveKylie Minogue - Where The Wild Roses Grow Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F1 key
Friday, 4/5/02, 9:53 AM Hi Shauna, On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, at 10:06:25 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:06 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'F1 key' SS Hello All, SS Twice in the last two days Yes, when I was younger. Sometimes even more. Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul -- Ever caught yourself reading taglines and not the msgs? Powered by The Bat! v1.60c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: F1 key
Hi Shauna, hi list, * Shauna Scott (SS) writes: SS [...] But F2 is supposed to be Get New Mail not Send Now - I SS don't even have combined delivery turned on, so I'm at a loss to SS understand why F2 sends my mail. in the editor F2 means Send mail. Hm, sort of usability bug IMHO and a good reason to let TB! ask for confirmation of immediate sending (account properties) ;) -- Best regards, Carsten The Bat! (v1.60c) Business Windows 2000 5.0 (Build 2195) Service Pack 2, PGP 0xe2d25323 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
