Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Monday, March 3, 2003, 12:24:59 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet MDP don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind a MDP dial-up connection. Really? Then how do they think those of us in areas where the *only* option is dial-up are supposed to work?! Despite living in an urban area less than ten miles from the largest city in Northern Ireland, we have no cable anything, no broadband access, not even a choice of telephone providers without plugging the phone into a re-routing box. Dial-up is the only choice for anyone in this area ( in many others). -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, March 02, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Z Why do they do that? Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind a dial-up connection. One such runs monkeys.com, a major open relay blacklist, and goes by the name of Ron Guilmette. I got a major roasting from him because of my dial-up IP and sub-hosted domain status. This is a slightly unusual view... but I have noticed monkeys.com does blacklist a lot of addresses that it shouldn't. It is often the case that people like the mention will blacklist whole dialup blocks because of constant spam attacks from those blocks. Often the do a blanket mask on that address too, catching a lot of innocent people. This usually means that: a) you're unlikely to be able to run your own mail server b) you're not likely to be able to connect directly with the end smtp server I do think that sometimes it is necessary to block off a whole bunch of addresses, but other times, it is unjust and the people doing the blocking really don't research what they're doing, for example I found the other day that earthlink.net (a fairly large ISP over in the US) had decided to block my line providers whole block, dial up, and static connections. I think they used monkeys.com too. I was removed shortly after I complained about that though. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPmN5giuD6BT4/R9zEQJIFACgmb9qpyE6/VmhE2N1HYek4OWKnZsAnA95 A5ANe5TyPNORdNYwSmC9Yv9y =v5tr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
You might find this interesting - your email is thought to be spam according to a good spam filter. :-) I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. ztrader On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 6:39:16 AM, Task Control wrote: TC SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- TC SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered TC SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. TC SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. TC SPAM: TC SPAM: Content analysis details: (7.60 hits, 5 required) TC SPAM: IN_REP_TO (-0.8 points) Found a In-Reply-To header TC SPAM: REFERENCES (-0.5 points) Has a valid-looking References header TC SPAM: USER_AGENT_THEBAT (0.3 points) X-Mailer header indicates a non-spam MUA (The Bat!) TC SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) TC SPAM:[score: 0] TC SPAM: SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE (-0.3 points) Long signature present (empty lines) TC SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com TC SPAM:[RBL check: found 49.58.62.200.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.4] TC SPAM: RCVD_IN_RFCI (2.3 points) RBL: Received via a relay in ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org TC SPAM:[RBL check: found 49.58.62.200.ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org., type: 127.0.0.6] TC SPAM: RCVD_IN_SBL(3.2 points) RBL: Received via SBLed relay, see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/ TC SPAM:[RBL check: found 49.58.62.200.sbl.spamhaus.org.] TC SPAM: X_OSIRU_SPAM_SRC (2.7 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Spam Source TC SPAM: AWL(-0.5 points) AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment TC SPAM: TC SPAM: End of SpamAssassin results - TC Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: TC En relación a lo que Paul en su momento posteó: PC very nice, but what is it TC It is a plug'in for the new The Bat 1.63+ Series, and this the bat TC versions are in beta testing now. (currently Beta7) PC and what does it do? TC Scan yours mail message and if it find any spam, it kill it. The User TC need configure and define the rules to know when some mail is spam. TC Some mail can be suspect to spam, the user define it's again. And this TC mails will be puted in a junk mail folder (you can rescue it). PC The web page said to download it, but there was no info on the PC product, TC When you was installed it, you can see a readme file. PC and the authors web page was in Spanish ( Chilean?). TC Yeah, Chilean, The southest country in america (pacific ocean side) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 12:36 PM, you wrote: z You might find this interesting - your email is thought to be spam z according to a good spam filter. :-) I've included the filter analysis z part so you can see why. SPAM: X_OSIRU_SPAM_SRC (2.7 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender is Confirmed Spam Source so, I am a confirmed spam source:) cool! I'm not sure I understand exactly why my email got caught, sorry, it still doesn't make much sense. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
Hello ztrader, You might find this interesting - your email is thought to be spam according to a good spam filter. :-) I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. Well, then the filter perhaps is not that good :-) It wasn't flagged as spam by my POPFile which is running on 99.43% accuracy. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
Hello Paul, so, I am a confirmed spam source:) cool! I'm not sure I understand exactly why my email got caught, sorry, it still doesn't make much sense. No, you are not a spammer. It wasn't your message Paul, it was the one sent by Task Control :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: En relación a lo que ztrader en su momento posteó: z I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. I analzie this but o do not understand why. z SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) z SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via z SPAM: RCVD_IN_RFCI (2.3 points) RBL: Received via a z relay in ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org z SPAM: RCVD_IN_SBL(3.2 points) RBL: Received via z SBLed relay, see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/ The route that follow the mail? can i change this? i think not. -- Se despide, Task Control mail: TaskControl at SoftHome dot net correo: TaskControl arroba SoftHome punto net Usando: - Windows 98 4.10.1998 - AVG 6.0 Free Edition - The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 - Trillian PRO 1.0 B Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!: vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 11:14:57 AM, Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Hello ztrader, You might find this interesting - your email is thought to be spam according to a good spam filter. :-) I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. MAU Well, then the filter perhaps is not that good :-) It wasn't flagged as MAU spam by my POPFile which is running on 99.43% accuracy. I get 500-600 emails a day, and it typically misplaces only one email every 1-3 days - not bad, I'd say. Also, I have it set 'tight' so it is more likely to have a false positive (as this was) than to pollute an otherwise good folder. I just sent it along to let the writer know the items that were causing it to get flagged. There was a bit of humor because the writer was talking about an anti-spam program. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 1:22:55 PM, Task Control wrote: TC Estimados seguidores del tbudl arroba thebat.dutaint.com: TC En relación a lo que ztrader en su momento posteó: z I've included the filter analysis part so you can see why. TC I analzie this but o do not understand why. z SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) z SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via z SPAM: RCVD_IN_RFCI (2.3 points) RBL: Received via a z relay in ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org z SPAM: RCVD_IN_SBL(3.2 points) RBL: Received via z SBLed relay, see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/ TC The route that follow the mail? can i change this? i think not. It seems as though most of the 'score' is from your routing. Without the routing, your email would be a rather low score and would get through easily. You might ask your ISP why they are using a confirmed spammer route, and forward the above headers to them to help them check it out. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ztrader, @2-Mar-2003, 14:38 -0800 (22:38 UK time) ztrader [Z] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TC The route that follow the mail? can i change this? i think not. Z It seems as though most of the 'score' is from your routing. Without Z the routing, your email would be a rather low score and would get Z through easily. You might ask your ISP why they are using a confirmed Z spammer route, and forward the above headers to them to help them Z check it out. FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me so this message will get a positive score from them too. It's a *bad* test! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+You7OeQkq5KdzaARAhMdAKCE3rmIysvRguik/6joqjFLTSGJJwCguRie JzksA9YiRc2UPqv8j0v1fLI= =m7wA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 2:54:50 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Why do they do that? MDP so this message will MDP get a positive score from them too. It's a *bad* test! The score for your message was only 0.7, with 5.0 as the trigger - reasonably low. It would seem as though there were enough other factors to compensate for the Osiris factor. Some factors are negative, and subtract from an otherwise high score from routing. There was a rather big discussion about including Osiris, etc in the scoring. Many seemed to be innocent users who had an ISP that was not good about curtailing spam. Most people thought it would, overall, be a good idea to keep it, and so I left the usual BL suspects in. This was in part because I wanted a 'tight' scoring, but it seems to work very well even with these included. ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ztrader, @2-Mar-2003, 16:01 -0800 (00:01 UK time) ztrader [Z] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MDP FYI - Osiris also BLs Dial-up users like me Z Why do they do that? Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind a dial-up connection. One such runs monkeys.com, a major open relay blacklist, and goes by the name of Ron Guilmette. I got a major roasting from him because of my dial-up IP and sub-hosted domain status. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+YqDdOeQkq5KdzaARAkcRAKCbxa5F7sa9nuBl7lIy9FicbUxHiQCbBiW4 qPagMIokh1rsbY/8OqyeYU8= =hcEz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
Marck- ROTFL. Methinks ignorance and arrogance are two major prerequisites for attaining ISPdom. I think this subject line is getting a little out of hand, too... -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: LIKELY SPAM: Re[2]: plugin for the bat!:vampire
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, 4:24:59 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Because the *nix propeller heads that think they own the Internet MDP don't think that any serious mail server user should hide behind MDP a dial-up connection. I can believe that. An unfortunately large number of *nix people are not known for having open minds. :- ztrader Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
