Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Rick Grunwald« · 2008-03-18 · 18:13 h (CET)]

Moin, Rick!

>> AFAIK there is no option to keep the "Parked" status. Maybe a
>> filter could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think
>> you should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

> Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from
> accidentally deleting or moving it.

Is it so? I don't know. Does "Parking" only mean to keep one from
deleting a message or does it mean to keep one from deleting *and*
moving a message? Why should I not move parked messages and keep the
"Parked" flag?

> I would think the work around would be to unpark it.

This is the status quo when moving a parked message and confirming
the warning.

> You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked
> message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed

I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
design is completely user friendly:

I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

Cheers!
VA

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Volker,
Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, you wrote:

VA> I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
VA> design is completely user friendly:

VA> I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
VA> folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
VA> the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

I am with you on this one. It is often very difficult to find the parked message
once you move it. I would also support the wish you are going to file. ;)

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[George Mitchell]

Dwight Corrin wrote:

DC> On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

>> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

DC> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something 
like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against 
accidental deletion/purging.  Just because I want to protect a message 
doesn't mean I don't want to organize it.  The Park flag is 
especially ill-suited for this as currently implemented.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Volker,

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:37:30 +0100 GMT (19/03/2008, 03:37 +0700 GMT),
Volker Ahrendt wrote:

VA> I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
VA> design is completely user friendly:

VA> I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
VA> folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
VA> the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

When you copy messages, the parked status is copied too. So, what I do
is copy to the destination folder and then unpark and delete them in
the original folder. It's just a workaround, but maybe it helps.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good morning Dwight,  
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 00:14:56 GMT-0500 (which was
02:14:56 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write:

DC> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy the
message, i'm wondering why it shouldn't be possible TB! acts like
that when moving manually but then again i'm not a programmer lol.
 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 9:43:38 AM, Luc wrote:

> I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy
> the message,

so it does. Makes sense, since the message is parked when it's
copied, but not when it's moved. Solves the problem about not being
able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking
questions.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:26:52 AM, Maggie Meister wrote:

> Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and
> TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get
> around  to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of
> course,  into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked
> 'just in  case'.

What is the point of parking messages if you park them all? To me the
whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete.
Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies
in the face of the whole notion. I can't drive to the mall and have
my car be parked at the same time. My messages used to get organized
by filters, and be where I wanted them. Now with IMAP they get
organized before they ever hit my machine. Once they are where I want
them, if they are important enough, I might park them. But if I had
50,000 or so parked messages, parking wouldn't mean much any more.

Put differently, if everything was 'parked' how would I recognize the
messages which were important enough to park?

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good afternoon Dwight,  
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 10:01:15 GMT-0500 (which was
12:01:15 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write:



DC> Solves the problem about not being
DC> able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking
DC> questions.

Still don't see the problem with the ability of moving them and
keeping them parked... but i guess it's just a matter of different
opinions  For the time being it's impossible so i'll leave it at
that :-)

 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good evening Maggie,  
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 11:49:53 GMT-0500 (which was
13:49:53 where I live) Maggie Meister would write:



MM> If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it.

I filed a bug report... although it might be a wish for most 
 
 
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Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Maggie Meister]

Hello George and Dwight,

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 1:30:20 AM you wrote:

DC>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

>>> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

DC>> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC>> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

How about a command that allows 'secure move'?

GM> like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against 
GM> accidental deletion/purging.  Just because I want to protect a message
GM> doesn't mean I don't want to organize it.

Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and 
TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get around 
to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of course, 
into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked 'just in 
case'.   

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Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Dwight,

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 10:10:41 AM you wrote:

DC> What is the point of parking messages if you park them all?

Oh, I don't park them *all* just some, as I mentioned..

DC> To me the
DC> whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete.

Yes.

DC> Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies
DC> in the face of the whole notion.

I don't want to delete the parked message, just move it to another 
folder.

Doug Weller in his message of today at 10:41 where I am, elucidated
what I'm thinking.

DougW> I want to be able to protect a message against deletion and 
DougW> then organise it the way I want to organise it.

If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it.

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