Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Thomas, > … others will have to be downloaded from the net. And they may even come from different servers, the reason for "rules" in download manager. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid)- Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Avram, > Thanks, Thomas and Miguel for taking the time to offer suggestions. > I think this is going to be one of those things that will have to be > fixed. I have already looked at the Image download manager. And, > even though I have selected the option "download external > medial...automatically for all sources," I still see some images - > I believe it is always an image within an image, where there are > still the gray placeholders that I have described. If you think/believe there is a bug, I suggest you open a report in https://bt.ritlabs.com and perhaps include a sample email. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid)- Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hi, Miguel and Thomas Wednesday, September 1, 2021, 4:37:28 PM, Miguel wrote: > Hello Avram, >> Thanks. This helps about 60% of the time, but. while in some cases >> the image will open up automatically, now, in other cases, only PART of the >> image will open up - or some, but not all of the images will appear, with >> the remaining ones replaced by the gray square surrounded by a lattice of >> white and grey squares. >> >> Any idea as to what is going on now? > Image download manager is now used for downloading images from external > resources > That is the reason, the Image download manager. You should get familiar with > it. Take a look at: > Options/Preferences/HTML viewer/Download external media And Thomas wrote: Some images will be sent with the message, others will have to be downloaded from the net. Did you check the options? Thanks, Thomas and Miguel for taking the time to offer suggestions. I think this is going to be one of those things that will have to be fixed. I have already looked at the Image download manager. And, even though I have selected the option "download external medial...automatically for all sources," I still see some images - I believe it is always an image within an image, where there are still the gray placeholders that I have described. All the best, -- Avi Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.4.4 on Win 7 Pro Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Avram, On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:59:26 -0500 GMT (02-Sep-21, 0:59 +0700 GMT), Avram Sacks wrote: >> In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a >> picture and a green down-arrow. If you click on that, the pictures for >> this email will be downloaded. >> >> You will also find a small black down-arrow next to it. Click on that, and >> you will be offered choices how to automate downloading of pictures. > > Thanks. This helps about 60% of the time, but. while in some cases the > image will open up automatically, now, in other cases, only PART of the > image will open up - or some, but not all of the images will appear, with the > remaining ones replaced by the gray square surrounded by a lattice of white > and grey squares. > > Any idea as to what is going on now? Please do not CC to my direct email. Some images will be sent with the message, others will have to be downloaded from the net. Did you check the options? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19043 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Avram, > Thanks. This helps about 60% of the time, but. while in some > cases the image will open up automatically, now, in other cases, > only PART of the image will open up - or some, but not all of the > images will appear, with the remaining ones replaced by the gray > square surrounded by a lattice of white and grey squares. > > Any idea as to what is going on now? On 27 July, in in TBBeta, Stefan Tanurkov announced the release of beta 9.4.2.9 and among the short list of changes: [+] Image download manager is now used for downloading images from external resources That is the reason, the Image download manager. You should get familiar with it. Take a look at: Options/Preferences/HTML viewer/Download external media -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid)- Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hi Thomas, Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 7:55:46 PM, you wrote: > In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a > picture and a green down-arrow. If you click on that, the pictures for > this email will be downloaded. > > You will also find a small black down-arrow next to it. Click on that, and > you will be offered choices how to automate downloading of pictures. Thanks. This helps about 60% of the time, but. while in some cases the image will open up automatically, now, in other cases, only PART of the image will open up - or some, but not all of the images will appear, with the remaining ones replaced by the gray square surrounded by a lattice of white and grey squares. Any idea as to what is going on now? -- Avi Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.4.4 on Win 7 Pro Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello MAU, On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:45:40 +0200 GMT (01-Sep-21, 15:45 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: >> In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a >> picture and a green down-arrow. > But depends on the setting "Options/Preferences/Viewer/Editor/HTML > Viewer/Download external media/Always show the download button", doesn't it? Errr, yes. Gee, the button should be there by default, I believe. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19043 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Thomas, > In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture > depicting a picture and a green down-arrow. But depends on the setting "Options/Preferences/Viewer/Editor/HTML Viewer/Download external media/Always show the download button", doesn't it? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial (Madrid)- Spain) Using The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Lore and Achdut, On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:23:32 -0700 GMT (01-Sep-21, 5:23 +0700 GMT), Lore Galore wrote: >> Another "feature" of the upgraded version of The Bat is that I do not get to >> see 90% of the embedded pictures. Instead, I see a gray square, surrounded >> by a number of gray and white squares in a blurry latticework. How do I >> change settings in order to see these pictures? > I'm looking forward to the answer to that, as I had upgraded and asked what > to do about it and got no answer. I couldn't stand the way it failed to > display as it should, so I went back to v 9.4.1. In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a picture and a green down-arrow. If you click on that, the pictures for this email will be downloaded. You will also find a small black down-arrow next to it. Click on that, and you will be offered choices how to automate downloading of pictures. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.4.4 (64-bit) under Windows 10.0 Build 19043 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Hello Achdut18, Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 2:34:38 PM, you wrote: > Another "feature" of the upgraded version of The Bat is that I do not get to > see 90% of the embedded pictures. Instead, I see a gray square, surrounded > by a number of gray and white squares in a blurry latticework. How do I > change settings in order to see these pictures? > -- > Avi > Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.4.4 on Win 7 Pro I'm looking forward to the answer to that, as I had upgraded and asked what to do about it and got no answer. I couldn't stand the way it failed to display as it should, so I went back to v 9.4.1. -- Lore Galore The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs v9.3.3 Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't see embedded pictures - usually
Another "feature" of the upgraded version of The Bat is that I do not get to see 90% of the embedded pictures. Instead, I see a gray square, surrounded by a number of gray and white squares in a blurry latticework. How do I change settings in order to see these pictures? -- Avi Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.4.4 on Win 7 Pro Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Non-viewable pictures
Greetings All, A friend sent me an email which was supposed to contain a bunch of pictures, none of which showed up when viewing the email in the VIEW→WINDOW SPLIT MODE→FULL-WIDTH PREVIEW PANE. The left column in this view mode shows the icons for the pictures which were a few GIFs but most were just labeled ATTx~1KB where x was a number from 1 to 15. The KB size was different for each picture, varying from less than 1KB to more than 31KB. The only icons which had extensions were the GIFs (.gif). Clicking on a tab at the bottom of the window would reveal each picture individually. However, when I clicked on REPLY and the reply window opened, all the pictures were suddenly viewable in the reply window. Anyone have any ideas as to why this would work this way? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Non-viewable pictures
Greetings All, A friend sent me an email which was supposed to contain a bunch of pictures, none of which showed up when viewing the email in the VIEW→WINDOW SPLIT MODE→FULL-WIDTH PREVIEW PANE. The left column in this view mode shows the icons for the pictures which were a few GIFs but most were just labeled ATTx~1KB where x was a number from 1 to 15. The KB size was different for each picture, varying from less than 1KB to more than 31KB. The only icons which had extensions were the GIFs (.gif). Clicking on a tab at the bottom of the window would reveal each picture individually. However, when I clicked on REPLY and the reply window opened, all the pictures were suddenly viewable in the reply window. Anyone have any ideas as to why this would work this way? Not specifically, but I often get graphics with the extension stripped but the Bat can read them correctly. That is a problem with the sender's system settings or email provider, not with the Bat. Actually the Bat does an excellent job of interpreting these. If all else fails, detach and add the ending JPG of GIF and see what you get. -- Rick Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. - James Dean v5.3.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Non-viewable pictures
Hello Rick, On Thursday, October 04, 2012 you wrote: Greetings All, A friend sent me an email which was supposed to contain a bunch of pictures, none of which showed up when viewing the email in the VIEW→WINDOW SPLIT MODE→FULL-WIDTH PREVIEW PANE. The left column in this view mode shows the icons for the pictures which were a few GIFs but most were just labeled ATTx~1KB where x was a number from 1 to 15. The KB size was different for each picture, varying from less than 1KB to more than 31KB. The only icons which had extensions were the GIFs (.gif). Clicking on a tab at the bottom of the window would reveal each picture individually. However, when I clicked on REPLY and the reply window opened, all the pictures were suddenly viewable in the reply window. Anyone have any ideas as to why this would work this way? R Not specifically, but I often get graphics with the extension stripped R but the Bat can read them correctly. That is a problem with the R sender's system settings or email provider, not with the Bat. Actually R the Bat does an excellent job of interpreting these. R If all else fails, detach and add the ending JPG of GIF and see what R you get. You were right Rick. Saving one of these to my desktop and renaming it so that it had a .jpg extension made it viewable in Zoner Picture Studio (my viewer of choice). Without the extension caused Windows to question what program it should use to open the file. But, why should TB! be unable to display them *except* in the reply window? Curiouser and curiouser. -- Best Regards, Jack LaRosa :usflag: Central Alabama Using The Bat! ver: 5.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Hello Bill, On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:36:14 -0700 GMT (14/Jun/11, 6:36 AM +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: BM In case # 3, there is a security problem. The act of fetching the images BM from the external site can reveal too much information about you. Thus, TB BM has been reluctant to automatically fetch such images. Previously the only BM way to see those images was to display the message in the browser. Now TB BM will fetch the images if you give it permission. The Image Download Manager BM may be accessed by clicking the Yellow Question Mark at the right of the BM message header (To, From, Subject). BM Unfortunately, at this point I can give you little more help since the BM Download manager seems to have a lot of capabilities, but they are not very BM obvious and I can find ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTATION about it. BM So, does anybody on this list have a pointer to any documention about the BM Image Download Manager? There is no documentation. This is how the Download Manager (the globe with the question mark) works: Whenever a message (I believe this only applies to HTML messages) adds a picture by URL only, the Download Manager shows up automatically. This is your case #3. If the images are sent with the messages, the pictures are shown by default, but if they are not, there is a security issue. How to make the pictures show: Click on the globe with the questin mark. You will get a context menu with the option to show download manager Choose that option, and a window pops up. In this window (the Download Manager) you can block or allow URLs. I have allowed all the pictures for my newsletters, and blocked all that contain constandcontact or icontact or adclient etc in the URL. Also, URLs with weird long alphanumerical names won't get allowed, as these are likely trackers. That's it. I think it's not very difficult to grasp, play with it and you'll see. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Hi, Monday, June 13, 2011, 4:36:14 PM,bill.mcquil...@pobox.com wrote: The Image Download Manager may be accessed by clicking the Yellow Question Mark at the right of the message header (To, From, Subject). Thanks! I played with the download manager, and can now see my newsletters in their full glory! :) -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Hi, Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 10:08:31 AM,thomas.gm...@gmx.net wrote: That's it. Thanks! It works as described. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Hello Susanne, On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:39:04 -0700 GMT (15/Jun/11, 4:39 AM +0700 GMT), Susanne wrote: That's it. S Thanks! S It works as described. Glad to have helped. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Pictures in html?
Hi, is there a way to make them visible in TB? -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Susanne, Monday, June 13, 2011, 12:13:50 PM, you wrote: S is there a way to make them visible in TB? I'm assuming you mean pictures embedded within your message... FWIW, I've found that embedding images in email is rather inconsistent, especially between Thunderbird and TheBat! (my two main email clients.) Those two often refuse to correctly display messages sent by the other one, though both programs can send the same messages to a GMail user who can see them both fine using Google's web mail interface. Basically, until there's a standard for how to handle HTML mail, especially with embedded images, we users will just be forced to suffer differing interpretations of the RFCs that cover those things. After all, RFC /does/ stand for (R)equest (F)or (C)omments. If there is an actual STD document for this, then it must allow too much interpretation and have too many optional things to enforce interoperability. Sorry for the rant, I've been complaining about this issue to RIT Labs for a couple years and have always been told that TB is right and the others are wrong. Not in so many words, but that's the essence of all the replies I've ever received on the subject. -- Steven Vallière | tb 4.2.44.2 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
Hi, Monday, June 13, 2011, 12:00:47 PM,the...@e-visions.com wrote: I'm assuming you mean pictures embedded within your message... Yes. All I get are placeholders, and embedded pictures are *never* visible in TB for me. Was hoping I was just missing a setting somewhere. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:sisk...@gmail.com Using The Bat! 4.2.6 OS: Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures in html?
On Mon, 2011-06-13, Susanne wrote: Monday, June 13, 2011, 12:00:47 PM,the...@e-visions.com wrote: I'm assuming you mean pictures embedded within your message... Yes. All I get are placeholders, and embedded pictures are *never* visible in TB for me. Was hoping I was just missing a setting somewhere. Images can be associated with a message in several ways: 1 - A message may have attachments of images or other documents, 2 - An HTML message can have place holders that refer to images that are included with the message, 3 - An HTML message may have place holders that refer to images at some External Web site. In case # 1, the attachments should be available using tabs at the bottom of the message window and/or icons in a sidebar. In case # 2, TB should display the images correctly in line. In case # 3, there is a security problem. The act of fetching the images from the external site can reveal too much information about you. Thus, TB has been reluctant to automatically fetch such images. Previously the only way to see those images was to display the message in the browser. Now TB will fetch the images if you give it permission. The Image Download Manager may be accessed by clicking the Yellow Question Mark at the right of the message header (To, From, Subject). Unfortunately, at this point I can give you little more help since the Download manager seems to have a lot of capabilities, but they are not very obvious and I can find ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTATION about it. So, does anybody on this list have a pointer to any documention about the Image Download Manager? -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 5.0.12 on Windows 7 6.1 build 7601-Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML
Hello alists, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:37:05 -0800 GMT (01/02/2007, 13:37 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awc It was not selected. I selected it, but still NOTHING attaches to awc the forwarded message. I've been using TB for 5 years now and awc have never seen this behavior. awc hummm Hm. I've never seen it either. I don't know what's happening to you. Which TB version are you using? -- Cheers, Thomas. Wenn ich Sie jetzt um Sex bitten wuerde - waere Ihre Antwort die gleiche, die Sie auf diese Frage geben? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML
Hello group... I'm sure it is some setting, but when I forward a message that has attachments (HTML GIF's) on the christmas edition, only the HTML is attached in the forwarded message.. I can't for the life of me find any setting that would do that. Any ideas? thanks! -- Best regards, Laura mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML
Hello alists, On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:34:58 -0800 GMT (01/02/2007, 00:34 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awc I'm sure it is some setting, but when I forward a message that awc has attachments (HTML GIF's) on the awc christmas edition, only the HTML is attached in the forwarded awc message.. I can't for the life of me find any setting that would awc do that. Any ideas? thanks! I cannot confirm that. Do you forward as MIME or not? Account / Properties / Templates / Forward -- Cheers, Thomas. A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: FORWARDING not forwarding attached pictures only .HTML
Hello Thomas, TF awc I'm sure it is some setting, but when I forward a message that TF awc has attachments (HTML GIF's) on the TF awc christmas edition, only the HTML is attached in the forwarded TF awc message.. I can't for the life of me find any setting that would TF awc do that. Any ideas? thanks! TF I cannot confirm that. Do you forward as MIME or not? It was not selected. I selected it, but still NOTHING attaches to the forwarded message. I've been using TB for 5 years now and have never seen this behavior. hummm Laura -- Best regards, alistsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: ideal size for AB pictures
Hello Ben, Wednesday, November 2, 2005, 11:04:45 AM, you wrote: Thats disappointing I was hoping for a I run the damn thing I can do what I like kinda responce, followed by getting your hunch men to throw me roughly onto the street. I dont know you just can't get the proper experts these days... grin I don't ever use the AB photo thing anymore. I played with it when it first came out, but not in a long time. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Solid, liquid and gas. The three states of a burrito. Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: ideal size for AB pictures
Howdy Leif, Thursday, October 27, 2005, 3:29:57 PM, Leif wrotened: So how come yours isn't? Leif Sorry, should have been a bit clearer. If the image is larger than Leif 120x144 it'll resize down. Thats disappointing I was hoping for a I run the damn thing I can do what I like kinda responce, followed by getting your hunch men to throw me roughly onto the street. I dont know you just can't get the proper experts these days... -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.61.14 Echo (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM I was sitting in the lunchroom with a coworker, and he noticed a funny pattern on one of his socks. He told me that his socks were the same color, but the pattern of one was not right. He just couldn't figure out what was wrong. I let him ponder the situation for five minutes and then I informed him that he was wearing one sock inside out. He is our director of quality. Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ideal size for AB pictures
Hi, On Tuesday, October 25, 2005 at 11:20:35 PM, Leif Gregory wrote: I can't find this information (and I'm too lazy to try try again until I find it) - whats the best picture size for the AB entry photos? 120x144, the same size as most roguemoticons surprisingly! grin I think the size is not important. The proportion (an height which is equal to 1,2 the length) is more important imho. -- Ludovic LE MOAL The Bat! 3.60.07 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: ideal size for AB pictures
Hello Ludovic, Thursday, October 27, 2005, 6:03:14 AM, you wrote: I think the size is not important. The proportion (an height which is equal to 1,2 the length) is more important imho. Correct, but TB will resize to 120x144 when you stick it in the AB. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: ideal size for AB pictures
Howdy Leif, Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 10:20:35 PM, Leif wrotened: Leif Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 2:56:55 PM, you wrote: I can't find this information (and I'm too lazy to try try again until I find it) - whats the best picture size for the AB entry photos? Leif 120x144, the same size as most roguemoticons surprisingly! grin So how come yours isn't? -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.61.14 Echo (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM I can resist everything except temptation. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: ideal size for AB pictures
Hello Ben, Thursday, October 27, 2005, 8:35:38 AM, you wrote: So how come yours isn't? Sorry, should have been a bit clearer. If the image is larger than 120x144 it'll resize down. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Sir, Deck Fourteen reports that the toilet's blocked. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ideal size for AB pictures
Hello everyone, I can't find this information (and I'm too lazy to try try again until I find it) - whats the best picture size for the AB entry photos? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I am compelled to fear that science will be used to promote the power of dominant groups rather than to make men happy. (Bertrand Russel) Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ideal size for AB pictures
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 2:56:55 PM, you wrote: I can't find this information (and I'm too lazy to try try again until I find it) - whats the best picture size for the AB entry photos? 120x144, the same size as most roguemoticons surprisingly! grin -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Synonym (n): Word used in place of a word you can't spell. Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML + pictures
How can I display/insert a picture automatically? I'm not talking about the attachment macro but really showing it. I can doe this manually by starting a new message and selecting type HTML. From the toolbar that then appears I can use the insert function. ASK You can not use HTML in templates, only plain text. To really show a ASK picture you would need an HTML template. It is true. Maybe a little trick will solve Tony's immediate need, partly: create a new HTML mail, that includes the pic, also. Make a new folder and store it there. Anytime you need this kind of mail just copy a copy :)) of that mail into your outbox and start editing... Yes, you cannot apply macros, but at least you have a HTML type template... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML + pictures
Hallo, I'm able to define a diffrent template for each person in my address book. How can I display/insert a picture automatically? I'm not talking about the attachment macro but really showing it. I can doe this manually by starting a new message and selecting type HTML. From the toolbar that then appears I can use the insert function. Any help on automating this? -- Best regards, Tony Always try to stop talking before people stop listening. Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML + pictures
Hello Tony everyone else, on 25-Mai-2005 at 18:16 you (Tony) wrote: How can I display/insert a picture automatically? I'm not talking about the attachment macro but really showing it. I can doe this manually by starting a new message and selecting type HTML. From the toolbar that then appears I can use the insert function. You can not use HTML in templates, only plain text. To really show a picture you would need an HTML template. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When Newton saw the apple fall, he found a mode of proving that the Earth turned round In a most natural whirl, called gravitation, And thus is the sole mortal who could grapple, Since Adam, with the fall of an apple. -- Lord Byron Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem opening Pictures
On Saturday, September 18, 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] stated: L Hello tbudl List, L I was having problems with sending pictures in TB, so I went L to Applications and clicked on Install The Bat as the Simple MAPI L request handler. Then when I attached a picture and then tried to L open it, to check it before sending, I got the message, %1 is not L a valid Win32 application. How can I get it back like it was L before I started messing with it? Try going to Options-Preferences-General and checking/unchecking the 5th box Use external viewer to open attached images -- Cheers Yall \\' Running TB! version 3.0.0.15 (beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem opening Pictures
Hello tbudl List, I was having problems with sending pictures in TB, so I went to Applications and clicked on Install The Bat as the Simple MAPI request handler. Then when I attached a picture and then tried to open it, to check it before sending, I got the message, %1 is not a valid Win32 application. How can I get it back like it was before I started messing with it? -- Regards, Lloyd : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem opening Pictures
Lloyd Hite @ 2004-Sep-18 4:09:59 PM Problem opening Pictures mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was having problems with sending pictures in TB, so I went to Applications and clicked on Install The Bat as the Simple MAPI request handler. Then when I attached a picture and then tried to open it, to check it before sending, I got the message, %1 is not a valid Win32 application. How can I get it back like it was before I started messing with it? In whatever program was the MAPI handler before (usually Outlook or Outlook Express), set it as the default MAPI handler. Then, reset The Bat! as the mailto: handler. If you cannot figure out how to reset an application as the MAPI handler, re-install it. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 In an office: WOULD THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE STEP LADDER YESTERDAY PLEASE BRING IT BACK OR FURTHER STEPS WILL BE TAKEN pgp4tRB3PO2j9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
html and graphics/pictures showing
Hi, I have a problem viewing graphics/pictures in html email that I recieve using TB. I will download all my messages, some being html and some not, but for some reason the graphics and pictures that go with the html messages show up as x's where the pictures are supposed to be. I cannot find an option in TB to turn off the high security or how to make it so that I can view these graphics/pictures. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html and graphics/pictures showing
Hello Aaron, Tuesday, July 8, 2003, 10:42:06 AM, you wrote: AMF I have a problem viewing graphics/pictures in html email that I AMF recieve using TB. I will download all my messages, some being AMF html and some not, but for some reason the graphics and pictures AMF that go with the html messages show up as x's where the pictures AMF are supposed to be. I cannot find an option in TB to turn off the AMF high security or how to make it so that I can view these AMF graphics/pictures. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The answer to your question is in the FAQ: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Messages.html -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html and graphics/pictures showing
Hello Aaron, On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:42:06 EST GMT (08/07/03, 23:42 +0700 GMT), Aaron M Farbo wrote: I have a problem viewing graphics/pictures in html email that I recieve using TB. I will download all my messages, some being html and some not, but for some reason the graphics and pictures that go with the html messages show up as x's where the pictures are supposed to be. I cannot find an option in TB to turn off the high security or how to make it so that I can view these graphics/pictures. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Easy: the pictures that you don't see have not been sent with the message. The HTML code contains a command that they be downloaded from the web. TB doesn't do that, for security reasons. If you still want to see the HTML mail in its full glory, double click on the attachment icon. Your browser will open, and it will download all those picutures. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A day without sunshine is like, night. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 12:44:53 AM you wrote: Well, I never used OL/OE, but I also had some business associates who sent me their vCards with every message. Quite an annoying habit. Once I have their details in my AB, I don't need them to attach their vCard again and again. 1. Nothing to do with what I wrote. 2. What you describe is a shortcoming in MS's software, you only have the option to include vCard with every message or none at all. Another point where TB shows its supremacy. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The graveyards are full of people who rushed in bravely but unwisely. (Terry Pratchett) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to do this - pictures, address book, file extract
Hallo speedguy, On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:21:24 +0200GMT (21-12-02, 1:21 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: s -is it possible to create a rule so that all incoming messages are s added to address book Yes, for the the first part of your message s and its attachment file goes as entry for picture in the address book And no for the second part of your question. s -if picture for particular address exists in AB, can some rule be s created which show preview of picture for incoming emails from this s address Shift-Ctrl-O enables the address book auto-view, doesn't care whether a picture exist or not. s -there is a possible way to create filter that can extract s attachements and save in some directory but it doesn't allow us to s select the file name. is there anyway, where i can specify that file s name should of format say first_name or email_address or something.. You can't in TB. You'd need some third party tool for that. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 4:37:25 AM you wrote: If I do that, will you allow me one line for the X-Face? Let's be perfectly honest, the best way to get rid of unnecessary overhead would be to ban e-mail, actually computers. The Internet is there to solve problems one would not have without them. Take the TB lists, perfectly self-referential and therefore useless to everyone not using TB. That is why I hate arguments on specifics, in this case bandwidth. It does not hold for me, my line is wide enough to download even the notoriously big security patches from MS in a little more than 2 minutes - and this line doesn't cost me extra for time or traffic. I still don't want X-Face or something similar. I also don't want people to always be exposed to my face - or whatever I chose to put in. I like the idea of the Rogues Gallery but even that is not used honestly. In my experience there'll always be clowns using Bart faces, *LotR* characters, *Star Wars* images. I don't want to see that. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Only the strong survive. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi Miguel, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:57:14 +0100 Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Yeap, specially these two ;-) ,- [ ] | List-Subscribe: | http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe `- In conjunction with a public accessible archive that offers to download messages in MBOX format: yes :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi Thomas, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:37:25 +0700 Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a minimum of 7 by the list server. I see only 5 lines added to the body by the server :-) *ahhh* You refer to 7 lines in header ... :-) Yes, could But I think _these_ lines are quite useful. You think so. Others don't. I think X-Face (1 line) is useful. You don't. My offer to you: I exchange 7 List-Header lines for one X-face line. Interested? ;-) No. Not interested :-) The one category of header lines offer technical information and help, the other only fun. Recognizing a person on a ML is usually done by it's name, so X-Face is a pure toy. One might find it funny, but it's use is far behind the one of List-headers. :-) You can have the footer, too. We already to have. Me personally don't need the list footers :-) Nobody reads that anyway. Sadly the truth :-/ How about the sig? I see no value in it, you can see my name in the From address. Yes, I can. But as you might have noticed: some signature don't contain only the name, but maybe also a nickname (as mine sometimes do) and different contact information or PGP-Key-IDs. These information are usually not in From: header :) (or any other) Some people even use cookies! Yes ... of course ... it's christmas time!!! :- These should be outlawed. No. they're _too_ delicious :-))) Oh, and then, let's do away with the greeting. It is not useful. ??? You seem not to understand the meaning of an attribution line?!? Didn't we had this discussion on any of the TB!-lists recently? :-) I am looking at a way to reduce the number of Received headers. Surely they are useful (most people check every mail about its routing), but maybe I should use my own SMTP server after all, connect directly to the recipient's server and thus reduce the number of header lines. I do have. But you still don't have any influence on number of Received lines in incoming mails :-) But yes, I've written a program for myself to strip header lines out of a mail. :-) It's primary use is to strip SpamAssassin headers when submitting mails to SpamCop. As it takes the headers to strip as command line arguments (multiple are allowed) it would be easy stip Received headers on incoming mails too :-) If I do that, will you allow me one line for the X-Face? I didn't forbid it, so I don't need to allow it now or later, no matter what changed in circumstances. I just expressed my opinion it's superfluous :-) If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Especially those telling the same over and over again (Send an empty message to ... to unsubscribe., Use the followin link to crawl through the archive ..., etc, etc.) I absolutely agree. Those threads arising from people asking these things, which you know already so aren't interested in downloading, should be deleted on server side. Seems you want to misunderstand or misinterpret. That's sad. I did not say these messages should be deleted, neither server side nor client side, just because of it's content. I said having references for FAQs can be helpful. I don't like the idea of typing the same answer over and over again. I don't like creating a QT for every FAQ. So pointing the questioner to the correct location of the answer is a possible solution. If these pointer / reference is in message headers (inserted by list server software) I (and others) can refer there, the answer will be short an precise and everybody _can_ be happy. Those with 1000+ mails per day because the number ain't increasing more than needed with only redundant information, the others because they got a short and exact answer to their question, instead of a 20+ mails thread with 19 possible ... answers. After all, TB uses the ML headers correctly, so they are useful, and any questions superfluous. ??? Lets switch off the computer. It's superfluous. Somebody once said: Computers are there to solve problems we wouldn't have without them. [source unknown] I have seen a figure of a cow, applicable at the roof of a car. It increases the factor of recognition if I drive through the city, albeit it increases the consumption of fuel significant ... Superfluous or necessary? P.S.: I smell a fish ... let's hide on TBOT before it hits :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi Dierk, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:16:00 +0100 Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is why I hate arguments on specifics, in this case bandwidth. Just to clear things a little bit: I was not nitpicking on waste of bandwidth because of too much headerline or superfluous information in mails. I just wanted to express _this_ special header line is IMO superfluous AND I wanted to show quickly the ratio of header vs. body. No implicit meaning of let's concentrate on reducing header lines before we continue with anything else ... just a quick note ... there's an interesting fact: there can be more meta information than information. -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 11:48:04 AM you wrote: Just to clear things a little bit: I was not nitpicking on waste of bandwidth because of too much headerline or superfluous information in mails. No problem with your arguments, actually we just took the same approach with partly even identical wording in answering Thomas' - hopefully tongue-in-cheek - post. As you have read by now. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Dierk, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:16:00 +0100 your time, you said: DH That is why I hate arguments on specifics, in this case bandwidth. That was brave g I don't like X-Face either - I have an X-Face of 269 bytes after trying it out. Apart from anything else, the quality is rubbish. It seems to me that X-Face is better suited to Instant Messengers and 'Avatar-centric' email clients... However, I wouldn't complain at all if there was a better way for photos used for The Bat! AB to be exchanged via TB!/TB! users though. Let's say a check box under your personal photo *in your personal VCard* to allow sending of your photo, and then to add your personal photo to a new message in TB! as an attachment you'd choose a menu entry maybe under Utilities menu such as 'Insert VCard Photo' or something, when you wanted to send your visog to someone in particular for their TB! AB. Yes, I would quite like that. - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.62 on W2K SP3 #1988. Warm Qed Sir Lousy ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPgL6F8tub/5cfolmEQJi3ACeNwwZvST1T0AX2LHB5NM3+ox4HCUAn29p 2eyGhTj/hH/a9TvyK6A+AZRC =s8OX -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:43:59 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 17:43 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: ??? Lets switch off the computer. It's superfluous. Somebody once said: Computers are there to solve problems we wouldn't have without them. [source unknown] That's the truth. Yeah, man. P.S.: I smell a fish ... let's hide on TBOT before it hits :-) (I just had to post this last comment g). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. All generalizations are false. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Simon! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 12:08:07 PM you wrote: Let's say a check box under your personal photo *in your personal VCard* to allow sending of your photo, *That* is a good idea. Two years ago I couldn't include a portrait into my vCard because the vCard consistently crashed OL/OE - and most of my contacts use that. As some of them are business associates it is not a good idea to send them messages crashing their PCs. Hence, what I suggest is to give Add vCard a submenu: - with photo - without photo - just photo -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
ON Friday, December 20, 2002, 7:00:17 PM, you wrote: DH Hence, what I suggest is to give Add vCard a submenu: - with photo DH - without photo DH - just photo And for the appearance challenged - Photo of a randomly selected movie star :-) Yes yes I know. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sudden success at golf is like the sudden acquisition of wealth. It is apt to unsettle and deteriorate the character. And, as it comes almost miraculously, so only a miracle can effect a cure. ==P.G Wodehouse - THE MAGIC PLUS FOURS == Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Dierk, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:00:17 +0100 your time, you said: DH Hence, what I suggest is to give Add vCard a submenu: - with photo - DH without photo - just photo Yes, indeed, and I agree that such a submenu would also be a great addition. And of course utilising the vCard photo obviously means not adding useless xtra features like X-Face, but rather building on a useful feature already present in TB! :) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.62 on W2K SP3 #2809. Ray Qed I Low Mrs Us ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPgOdkstub/5cfolmEQKMoQCgg7byMj1ME+aAl9Jp2Us0bzKtLQoAn2mK owTiUt0YbA+3hHpYVf8qn3M7 =wsoC -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Pictures
Hello Dierk, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:00:17 +0100 GMT (21/12/02, 01:00 +0700 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: Let's say a check box under your personal photo *in your personal VCard* to allow sending of your photo, *That* is a good idea. Two years ago I couldn't include a portrait into my vCard because the vCard consistently crashed OL/OE - and most of my contacts use that. As some of them are business associates it is not a good idea to send them messages crashing their PCs. Well, I never used OL/OE, but I also had some business associates who sent me their vCards with every message. Quite an annoying habit. Once I have their details in my AB, I don't need them to attach their vCard again and again. A small little X-Face, though... (scnr) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hypnotophobie: Angst vor dem Bettenmachen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
how to do this - pictures, address book, file extract
well, again some excellent questions from a TB newbie :) -is it possible to create a rule so that all incoming messages are added to address book and its attachment file goes as entry for picture in the address book -if picture for particular address exists in AB, can some rule be created which show preview of picture for incoming emails from this address -there is a possible way to create filter that can extract attachements and save in some directory but it doesn't allow us to select the file name. is there anyway, where i can specify that file name should of format say first_name or email_address or something.. -thanks in advance ;) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pictures
Hello Simon! On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 2:45:31 PM you wrote: S 'Lo Dierk, DH Hence, what I suggest is to give Add vCard a submenu: - with photo - DH without photo - just photo S Yes, indeed, and I agree that such a submenu would also be a great addition. S And of course utilising the vCard photo obviously means not adding useless S xtra features like X-Face, but rather building on a useful feature already S present in TB! :) This is excellent reasoning, and I would like to see these ideas implemented. How soon can you set about getting the request to the programmers? This is something I would use, if it were in my copy of The Bat! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Pictures
Hallo thebat, still configuring this new program... ;-) I found out that I can add a picture of every person in the address book. Thats fine. :-)) In my old mail program, YAM, this picture was shown with every mail from that sender, in the right part of the header lines (theres always some space there anyway...) It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? If not, I´ll have to find out how to request a new feature... ;-) BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko, On Thursday, 19. December 2002 at 14:27:30 [GMT +0100] you wrote: still configuring this new program... ;-) we are all learning each day new stuff... also about TB! In my old mail program, YAM, this picture was shown with every mail from that sender, in the right part of the header lines (theres always some space there anyway...) It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? No, there isn't, and hopefully won't be. Just my opinion. Will only cost resources. BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... ALT + 3 + 9 -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62 Christmas Edition | Windows XP PGP: 6.58 ckt Build 8 - Key 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://www.thebat.int.tc/ Checked by AVG anti-virus system. Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 241 - Release Date: 12/17/2002 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 2:27:30 PM you wrote: It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? The picture is a bitmap only stored in the AB/vCard. If not, I´ll have to find out how to request a new feature... ;-) Sad to say it is already suggested. At least through the list. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 There *is* love at first sight. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi, Thomas Martin wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... ALT + 3 + 9 SHIFT-# also does it. Many people wrongly use ` or ´ (accents). The typographical correct 'curly' apostrophe as it may be used in word processing is not in the regular character set used in common email, the ' is the character to be used here. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hi Heiko, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:30 +0100 Heiko Kuschel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... The _English_ apostroph is ' (Shift+# on German keyboard), the accent you were typing is a bad replacement. The most important reason _NOT_ to use it is: it's not defined in Latin9 (ISO-8859-15) anymore, as it was (and is) in Latin1 (ISO-8859-1). Therefore your mail reads with some accented 'Z's instead of the intended apostroph. -- Pit Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:50:02 -0300 GMT (19/12/02, 20:50 +0700 GMT), Thomas Martin wrote: In my old mail program, YAM, this picture was shown with every mail from that sender, in the right part of the header lines (theres always some space there anyway...) It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? No, there isn't, and hopefully won't be. Just my opinion. Will only cost resources. It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Was ist das fuer eine Zeitform: Ich haette kein Kind werden sollen? Preservativ defekt. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 4:44:18 PM you wrote: It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. A few line here, a few lines there ... Bloat is part of a continuum, like heap. How much can be considered right, and when is it too much? Also, one man's useful feature is another woman's bloat. I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself. (Ricky Nelson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pictures
Hello Dierk, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 4:41:33 PM, you wrote: I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). If you are referring to X-Face, then that makes two of us. I really can't see the point of it. -- Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Peter Palmreuther, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hi Heiko, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:30 +0100 Heiko Kuschel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW How do you get that English apostrophe (in it´s etc) on a German PC keyboard?!? It was on Alt-ä on my Amiga... The _English_ apostroph is ' (Shift+# on German keyboard), the accent you were typing is a bad replacement. Thanks to all who replied; yes I found it there. I know that the other one was wrong, but couldn't locate the right one on my keyboard although it is printed there. :) -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Thomas Fernandez, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hello Thomas, press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? No, there isn't, and hopefully won't be. Just my opinion. Will only cost resources. It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. And if you mean online resources: The picture would be stored on your HD, no need to transfer it all the time. A 10 year old Amiga was able to do that without problems, so it should't be a problem for modern PCs at all. -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Kevin, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hello Dierk, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 4:41:33 PM, you wrote: I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). If you are referring to X-Face, then that makes two of us. I really can't see the point of it. I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. Really. For those who can't imagine how this looks like I put a screenshot of such a header under http://www.kuschelchaos.de/YAM-Bild.gif -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:11:51 PM you wrote: I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. I don't want that. And I don't intend to get this into a pseudo-logical/rational debate. So don't ask why. I just don't want it. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Silence is the virtue of fools. (Francis Bacon) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pictures
Hello Heiko, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:11:51 PM, you wrote: If you are referring to X-Face, then that makes two of us. I really can't see the point of it. HK I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much HK more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. Really. Agreed. I've found it one of the plus points in Ameol, and would like it as an option in TB! too. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Best regards, myobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Dierk, On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:46:49 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 02:46 +0700 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: I don't want that. I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Travel is very educational. I can now say Kaopectate in seven different languages. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:57:48 PM you wrote: I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello myob! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:51:25 PM you wrote: Agreed. I've found it one of the plus points in Ameol, and would like it as an option in TB! too. Seems to be a real killer feature. Let's go wells and bhistles everyone! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it! (Tom Lehrer) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hallo Dierk Haasis, am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 schriebst Du: Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:57:48 PM you wrote: I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... No. Totally different system. If *you* store a picture in your addressbook, it will be shown automatically if you get a mail from that sender. -- Schöne Grüße Heiko Kuschel Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko, On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 9:25:32 PM you [HK] wrote (at least in part): [X-Face Header] I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... HK No. Totally different system. If *you* store a picture in your HK addressbook, it will be shown automatically if you get a mail from HK that sender. Not with X-Face, a superfluous method to bloat the already not so small header part [1] of an e-mail with superfluous information, which is discussed in this branch. [1] The message I'm responding to had 54 lines of header information, containing 2950 bytes and 30 lines of body carrying 665 byte (of which a _minimum_ of 5 lines could have been avoided by the author). -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) I am the neurosis (sp?) that requires a $500-an-hour shrink! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, [1] The message I'm responding to had 54 lines of header information, containing 2950 bytes and 30 lines of body carrying 665 byte (of which a _minimum_ of 5 lines could have been avoided by the author). And a minimum of 7 by the list server. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Miguel, On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 10:11:42 PM you [MAU] wrote (at least in part): [1] The message I'm responding to had 54 lines of header information, containing 2950 bytes and 30 lines of body carrying 665 byte (of which a _minimum_ of 5 lines could have been avoided by the author). MAU And a minimum of 7 by the list server. I see only 5 lines added to the body by the server :-) *ahhh* You refer to 7 lines in header ... :-) Yes, could But I think _these_ lines are quite useful. If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Especially those telling the same over and over again (Send an empty message to ... to unsubscribe., Use the followin link to crawl through the archive ..., etc, etc.) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Better dead than mellow. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Yeap, specially these two ;-) ,- [ ] | List-Subscribe: http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/listinfo/tbudl, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter, On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:02:36 +0100 GMT (20/12/02, 07:02 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: MAU And a minimum of 7 by the list server. I see only 5 lines added to the body by the server :-) *ahhh* You refer to 7 lines in header ... :-) Yes, could But I think _these_ lines are quite useful. You think so. Others don't. I think X-Face (1 line) is useful. You don't. My offer to you: I exchange 7 List-Header lines for one X-face line. Interested? ;-) You can have the footer, too. Nobody reads that anyway. How about the sig? I see no value in it, you can see my name in the From address. Some people even use cookies! These should be outlawed. It's a shame TB supports them, especially those longer than one line. Oh, and then, let's do away with the greeting. It is not useful. My attritubtion line could be shortened too, surely. I am looking at a way to reduce the number of Received headers. Surely they are useful (most people check every mail about its routing), but maybe I should use my own SMTP server after all, connect directly to the recipient's server and thus reduce the number of header lines. If I do that, will you allow me one line for the X-Face? If more ml software uses them and more MUAs implement it's interpretation it can be a help to list members. Especially those telling the same over and over again (Send an empty message to ... to unsubscribe., Use the followin link to crawl through the archive ..., etc, etc.) I absolutely agree. Those threads arising from people asking these things, which you know already so aren't interested in downloading, should be deleted on server side. After all, TB uses the ML headers correctly, so they are useful, and any questions superfluous. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. -- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logo pictures of TB!
Hi Jason, On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, at 22:40:16 [GMT -0800, your local time] (20.2.2001. at 07:40 was my local time), you wrote: JJT You can find it at http://jason.is.dreaming.org/newbat.jpg JJT The file will be there for a few days. I will delete it from the JJT server after a while. Yes, I found it... that's my bat :) Thanks! -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Logo pictures of TB!
Hi Wolfgang, On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, at 08:58:55 [GMT +0100, your local time] (20.2.2001. at 08:58 was my local time), you wrote: L I started to collect TB logo pictures. The reason: maybe I'll make some site and L put them there. :) WK You should be aware that this might be a copyright infringement. Yes, I know, but I just want them for my own entertainment... nothing more. -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Logo pictures of TB!
Hello TBUDL subscribers, I need one favour or possible link. I started to collect TB logo pictures. The reason: maybe I'll make some site and put them there. :) AFAIK from 1.47HE, there are 3, slightly different pictures. I deleted my 1.47HE instalation and don't have that logo (all startup logos are in 271x288x16M when you crop and paste it into the paint-editing programme). So, if there is one, could you provide me with some link on the net to find these, or if there is still some 1.47HE user, please send that logo to me privately (JPEG should be about 30KB). TIA. -- Best regards, Lija Using The Bat! v1.49 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Logo pictures of TB!
Hello Lija, Monday, 19 February, 2001, 19:51:41, you wrote: L So, if there is one, could you provide me with some link on the net to find L these, or if there is still some 1.47HE user, please send that logo to me L privately (JPEG should be about 30KB). I knew I saved all my old mails for a reason. :-) I found it attached to an email I sent a friend when 1.47HE was released showing off the new logo. TB! had kept the attachment. How lucky! You can find it at http://jason.is.dreaming.org/newbat.jpg The file will be there for a few days. I will delete it from the server after a while. -- Best regards, Jasonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Logo pictures of TB!
Hi Lija, L I started to collect TB logo pictures. The reason: maybe I'll make some site and L put them there. :) You should be aware that this might be a copyright infringement. -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists writing without the moderator's hat on ;-) Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Where are the pictures in my html mail
Hello TBUDL, When I open html mail, instead of pictures, I get a box with an exclamation point in it. Where are the pictures? -- Best regards, Aaron mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Where are the pictures in my html mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Aaron, On 23 August 2000 at 09:09:29 GMT -0700 (which was 17:09 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Where are the pictures in my html mail": AG When I open html mail, instead of pictures, I get a box with an AG exclamation point in it. Where are the pictures? TB (Quite correctly) will only show in-line pictures included with the mail. Any pictures that are external to the mail and need to be retrieved with an HTTP GET command are outside the scope of an email client and require a web browser to work correctly. TB is not a web browser and shows a place marker where such images exist. By viewing the message on the first tab (instead of the HTML) you can double-click on the html attachment and view it in your favourite web browser, which *can* retrieve the images. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY Someday we'll look back on all this and plow into a parked car. *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: PGP Signed so you know it's really me iQA/AwUBOaQJKDnkJKuSnc2gEQK3CACZAa9b6u4ubF6wYANdjjfKQeS/3LIAn1tt JYfZVTAIngg6Lxw/uWQCgn2O =LrIU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Saturday, August 12, 2000, 11:47:23 PM, you wrote: JA Hello Ming-Li, JA On Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 15:12:34 GMT -0700 (which was 3:12 PM JA where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Hi David, Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format. (You must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't use it. Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important. JA I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available to JA me. Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers? I would be very JA interested in getting this ability without having to install OE5. JA Does the offline Browser pack have anything to do with this? No it's not that, it does say somewhere that you need OE5. I tried renaming the Outlook Express directory to see if it disabled the option, but it didn't, so I'm not sure if it's a specific .dll you need or what. The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all browsers recognize it. JA Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference. Does JA anyone know if there any other methods that are more universal? I only know that they work with IE5, but they should open in any HTML complient mail reader, if you import them, eg rename them to .eml or .msg and double click. Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu. It works very well. JA This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right? TB doesn't JA process it any differently than say an .exe file does it? Yes it is treated differently. It displays it inline, like an HTML email. It is very neat. Well, what happens is you see the .mht as an attachment, but when you open it, it opens in The Bat, like a Mime forwarded email does. Just to clear the confusion up, there is no need to use Quoted-Printable, The Bat recognises that a .mht file doesn't need any encoding. But strangely, from my earlier experiments with attaching HTML files. For a .html file it is better to use quoted-printable. It seems to display better in other email programs, and sends a much smaller email (eg 27K vs. 36K) -- Dave - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hi David, Just to clear the confusion up, there is no need to use Quoted-Printable, The Bat recognises that a .mht file doesn't need any encoding. But strangely, from my earlier experiments with attaching HTML files. For a .html file it is better to use quoted-printable. It seems to display better in other email programs, and sends a much smaller email (eg 27K vs. 36K) Whether it would display better in other email programs is beyond my knowledge. As to the smaller size, it incidental, I'm afraid. Try a page with lots of 8-bit characters (characters with accent marks, or East Asian languages, etc.), and Base64 encoding would result in a smaller file than QP. Base64 (the default of TB and many other email clients) encodes everything with 65 ASCII characters--a 6-bit operation. IOW, it encodes 3 8-bit characters with 4 ASCII ones, resulting in a consistent 33% increase in file size--regardless of the format or content of the original file. In comparison, QP encodes only characters with their high bit as "1" (ASCII code 127-255). Most standard readable ASCII characters (except the "=" sign, which carry special meaning in QP) are represented literally without change. But when it does need to encode something, it uses 3 bytes to represent one byte, a 200% inflation. Because the .mht format has already encoded binary data (graphics, e.g.) with Base64 encoding, those have been converted into ASCII characters. In consequence, it won't be encoded again with QP, while with Base64 it will be encoded (and inflated) again. So, with web pages consisting of English text (or of other languages without many accented, umlaut or others that use the 8th bit), you're right, QP is more efficient in terms of file size. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hi David, Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format. (You must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't use it. Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important. The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all browsers recognize it. Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu. It works very well. Just curious, does it have to be QP? Other encoding methods seem to work fine here. Is there any reason to specify QP for the attachment? I'm asking for QP isn't the default, and you can't even make it the default. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hello Ming-Li, On Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 15:12:34 GMT -0700 (which was 3:12 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Hi David, Save a web page from Internet Explorer using .mht format. (You must have Outlook Express 5 installed to do this, but you needn't use it. Really? What does OE5 has anything to do with it? IE describes .mht format as "Web Archive" file, which doesn't seem to suggest it's related to OE5. Well, never mind, it's not that important. I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available to me. Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers? I would be very interested in getting this ability without having to install OE5. Does the offline Browser pack have anything to do with this? The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all browsers recognize it. Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference. Does anyone know if there any other methods that are more universal? Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu. It works very well. This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right? TB doesn't process it any differently than say an .exe file does it? -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hi Januk, I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available to me. Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers? Hmm, it surely does look like so. MS just has to exploit every opportunity to tie their products together. I don't use OE either, but it's bundled with Win2k, so it's in my system. The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all browsers recognize it. Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference. Indeed. Opera can't read it right. Netscape does, though. Does anyone know if there any other methods that are more universal? I would like to know about that, too. Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu. It works very well. This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right? TB doesn't process it any differently than say an .exe file does it? That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the default Base64 encoding, and it was fine. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hello Ming-Li, On Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 17:07:51 GMT -0700 (which was 5:07 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Then from the bat, create an email to the recipient as normal, and attach the file using Quoted-Printable from the utilities menu. It works very well. This just sends an .mht file to the recipient right? TB doesn't process it any differently than say an .exe file does it? That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the default Base64 encoding, and it was fine. Err, just to clear my confusion, you do mean that the attachment came through as an .mht file, right? If not, could you please send me a .mht file offlist so I can see what you mean? Thanks. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: sending a webpage complete with pictures
On Saturday, August 12, 2000, 8:07:51 PM, Ming-Li wrote: Hi Januk, I'm using IE 5.5, and I don't have the .mht file type available to me. Perhaps OE5 installs the appropriate drivers? Hmm, it surely does look like so. MS just has to exploit every opportunity to tie their products together. I don't use OE either, but it's bundled with Win2k, so it's in my system. The .mht files is indeed quite handy when having to save the whole page in one file. I use it all the time. But the downside is not all browsers recognize it. Ah, that is a big downside, especially for future reference. Indeed. Opera can't read it right. Netscape does, though. Does anyone know if there any other methods that are more universal? I would like to know about that, too. Opening up a .mht file in an editor shows it's no great miracle of invention - it's a multipart MIME-encoded text file, e.g. (from a VCDJ article I just grabbed for reference): From: Saved by Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Subject: Listing 1 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:17:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0"; type="text/html" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Location: http://www.devx.com/upload/free/features/vcdj/2000/07jul00/bn2_0007/listing1.asp !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" HTMLHEADTITLEListing 1/TITLE ... --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0 Content-Type: image/gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://ads.devx.com/adgifs/Unify1_8.1.00.gif ... --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0 Content-Type: image/gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.devx.com/images/general/devxrule.gif R0lGODlh5QACALP/AP///97n76Wt1u/v9+fn997e79bW787O57W13q2t1qWlzqWl1pyczs7G58a9 3gAAACwA5QACAAAEWpCQUow5pzmHUEqLwoxkaZ5oqq5s675wzC50/d1fp3fc5muNYBBDPFiO FoqyMCEEJISBVBqgWDCOxu4Tknm/4LB4fBKZQzTcbcfT9XyOTKNIRCaXhapz8IxKIwA7 --=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0049A.5B310DB0-- So any decent MIME-aware Internet app like Opera _should_ be able to open it, parse it, and dump it into a browser window. -- Alex P. Madarasz, Jr. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hi Januk, That's what I thought. And I tried to mail one to myself with the default Base64 encoding, and it was fine. Err, just to clear my confusion, you do mean that the attachment came through as an .mht file, right? If not, could you please send me a .mht file offlist so I can see what you mean? Yes, it came in as a .mht file. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: sending a webpage complete with pictures
Hi Alex, Opening up a .mht file in an editor shows it's no great miracle of invention - it's a multipart MIME-encoded text file, e.g. (from a VCDJ article I just grabbed for reference): [example snipped] Right. It's pretty similar to what you get when someone email the page to you from within IE. So any decent MIME-aware Internet app like Opera _should_ be able to open it, parse it, and dump it into a browser window. Maybe, but it doesn't in reality. :( -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
