Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sun, 12 Jun 2011, @ @ at 16:37:41 +1000, when Paul Berger wrote: Hello TBUDL@thebat., Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:08:12 PM, you wrote: MM***^\ ._)~~ MM ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 10 Jun 2011, MM@ @ at 13:59:07 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Also, very unfortunately, I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users (just not reliable enough anymore). There was a time when I sent all sorts of new customers to Ritlabs. That's just not the case anymore. MM Years of enthusiasm are past now. They should set v2.12 at disposal for MM download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide MM what they want. MM Happy user of v2.12, The Bat has so many handy features and I have got so used to it that I hope the Ver 5 bugs get solved. Meanwhile am happy to stay with 4.2.36.4. I particularly value the email filtering system. If anybody wants this version, I could put it up on the web for them. Someone could rejoice, I am sure. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 16 Jun 2011, @ @ at 10:55:55 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: If over 600 million people in the world think that privacy is old hat, why are you surprised that there are fewer users of GPG/PGP? Privacy is a matter of magic not of a piece of soft wared machine. -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:01:03 +0100 (your time) you said: Although TB!'s OpenPGP integration has fallen behind, so that Thunderbird (with Enigmail) is now superior in that respect. Yeah, I think there will always be pros and cons, and it will always boil down to what each person likes and what they are (or can get) used to. I think Thunderbird is a fine bit of kit btw..if you are looking for or switching to a free client and you can live without TB!'s features :) I'm still using GnuPG 1.4.1, after switching from PGP a good few years ago. I haven't yet tried GnuPG 2. Probably because I've been reading about others having issues with v2 and TB!. But then I'm in no hurry to change anything so... Over the last couple of years I have seen less GnuPGP/PGP signed mail in my mailbox. People I know rarely bother nowadays. I still use it however. Ironic really, considering it is probably more relevant now than it ever has been. -- Si # 9747. Weigh Worse Nod? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Si, On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:51:18 +0100 GMT (15/Jun/11, 23:51 PM +0700 GMT), Si wrote: S Over the last couple of years I have seen less GnuPGP/PGP signed S mail in my mailbox. People I know rarely bother nowadays. I still S use it however. Ironic really, considering it is probably more S relevant now than it ever has been. There is absolutely no concern for privacy any more. People put their private lives on Facebook for all to see. A friend of mine conducted a job interview and of course researched on the internet about this lady first. She was apparently well qualified for the job, but when he saw that she publicly wrote in her Facebook entry that sex in the car is the best he decided to ask her in the job interview why she thought this was appropriate to publish for a manager-to-be. She blushed and had obviously not expected that anybody apart from her 500 best friends (most of who she had probably never met in person) would read this. She didn't get the job. The face recognition that Facebook has installed by default - which can or probably has been installed in taffic cameras - is that part of 1984 that I hadn't believed would be possible during my lifetime. If over 600 million people in the world think that privacy is old hat, why are you surprised that there are fewer users of GPG/PGP? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 11 Jun 2011, @ @ at 13:02:57 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Mica, On Saturday, June 11, 2011, at 1:08:12 AM PST, you wrote: They should set v2.12 at disposal for download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide what they want. That's a great idea. Somewhere I have my original installation file for v2.12 (my registration code for that version is somewhere as well), and I may well try to go vintage one of these days. I know someone who is still very happy using v1.49! :) That's the attitude! Go girl! -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello TBUDL@thebat., Saturday, June 11, 2011, 6:08:12 PM, you wrote: MM***^\ ._)~~ MM ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 10 Jun 2011, MM@ @ at 13:59:07 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Also, very unfortunately, I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users (just not reliable enough anymore). There was a time when I sent all sorts of new customers to Ritlabs. That's just not the case anymore. MM Years of enthusiasm are past now. They should set v2.12 at disposal for MM download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide MM what they want. MM Happy user of v2.12, The Bat has so many handy features and I have got so used to it that I hope the Ver 5 bugs get solved. Meanwhile am happy to stay with 4.2.36.4. I particularly value the email filtering system. If anybody wants this version, I could put it up on the web for them. -- Paul - Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 ...Experience: a name everyone gives to hes mistakes. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hi On Sunday 12 June 2011 at 1:33:06 AM, in mid:1027116106.20110612013...@mail.inboxshield.co.uk, Si wrote: I like v4.2.x, and it works well enough, even with the unfixed bugs - many of them should have been dealt with before v5 was released however...well IMO of course. I ever wouldn't go back to 2.x though. I'm sticking with 4.0.38 at the moment, despite a couple of minor bugs (that occasionally affect me) being fixed in newer versions and a couple that were fixed in previous versions having crept back in. 4.0.38 is the latest version for a v3 licence and I can't justify to myself buying an upgrade. I was shafted when I bought my v2 licence 12 days before v2 was ditched in favour of v3; even so, a few months later I felt it was worth paying for the improved feature set. With Thunderbird about and popular I find that most people just don't see the point of paying for a proprietary email client any longer, even if it is laden with features, most of which they'll never use. Most people I know wouldn't even bother with a free mail client, because Outlook Express came free with Windows or because they used webmail. I tried Thunderbird myself two or three times but never got on with it. The main issues I had were threading, filtering, and message templates. I also didn't like look/feel of the user interface, although I daresay that could be altered to suit if the feature set made it worth the effort. Personally, I feel a bit miffed that RIT released v5 when there were plenty of issues still to sort out with v4. But that's their prerogative. Now I'm stuck at v4 with the unfixed bugs, which narks me, but I'll live with them. I can't see any point in continuing updating quite frankly. Maybe you (and I?) will, in time - see my comment above about v2/v3. (-; -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com It is easy to propose impossible remedies. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:24:05 +0100 (your time) you said: Most people I know wouldn't even bother with a free mail client, because Outlook Express came free with Windows or because they used webmail. Actually, that's a fair point. It's absolutely true that webmail seems to dominate - I can't abide the minimalism of webmail, especially after using TB!. But on the open source client side Thunderbird seems to be quite dominant, although still not for me. I tried Thunderbird myself two or three times but never got on with it. The main issues I had were threading, filtering, and message templates. I also didn't like look/feel of the user interface, although I daresay that could be altered to suit if the feature set made it worth the effort. Yeah, I've tried it a number of times as well. For me it just doesn't cut the mustard, but for others they seem to get along with it okay. TB!'s filtering and feature set is second to none IMO. There'd have to be compelling reasons for giving up TB! in favour of something *I consider* inferior ;-) [...] I can't see any point in continuing updating quite frankly. Maybe you (and I?) will, in time - see my comment above about v2/v3. (-; Yes, you never know, it is still possible. It may depend on how long I hold this current grudge ;-) -- Si #15512. New Does Or Whig? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hi On Sunday 12 June 2011 at 1:50:05 PM, in mid:684598110.20110612135...@mail.inboxshield.co.uk, Si wrote: TB!'s filtering and feature set is second to none IMO. There'd have to be compelling reasons for giving up TB! in favour of something *I consider* inferior ;-) Although TB!'s OpenPGP integration has fallen behind, so that Thunderbird (with Enigmail) is now superior in that respect. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Does anybody really read these things? Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 10 Jun 2011, @ @ at 13:59:07 -0700, when Melissa Reese wrote: Also, very unfortunately, I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users (just not reliable enough anymore). There was a time when I sent all sorts of new customers to Ritlabs. That's just not the case anymore. Years of enthusiasm are past now. They should set v2.12 at disposal for download somewhere on TB! website, so the people have a chance to decide what they want. Happy user of v2.12, -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Melissa, On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:59:07 -0700 (your time) you said: [...] I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users [...] I like v4.2.x, and it works well enough, even with the unfixed bugs - many of them should have been dealt with before v5 was released however...well IMO of course. I ever wouldn't go back to 2.x though. And I'll be sticking with TB! 4.2.x for now, for some of the reasons you give, and also because the latest release...well..., let's just say I won't be 'updating' to v5 again after trying it and 'downdating' rapidly after discovering I'd been shafted with an alpha release ;-). TB! has always had a lot of issues; right back to v1.x I remember this and the beta list being very, very busy with bug reports and discussions (and ego-driven drawn out arguments about this and that, and also about TB!'s rubbish help...or total lack of it. And look how many years it took to get the help anywhere near sorted. Even so, I got quite a few people using TB! back then, and my phone was always ringing because of it. Some of those that switched to TB! have since stopped using it, and others stopped at v2.x and others at v3.x. Very few moved on to 4.2x. And like you, I don't recommend it to anyone these days: after this v5 fiasco I definitely won't be following the RITLabs path any longer. With Thunderbird about and popular I find that most people just don't see the point of paying for a proprietary email client any longer, even if it is laden with features, most of which they'll never use. Personally, I feel a bit miffed that RIT released v5 when there were plenty of issues still to sort out with v4. But that's their prerogative. Now I'm stuck at v4 with the unfixed bugs, which narks me, but I'll live with them. I can't see any point in continuing updating quite frankly. -- Si #23875. I Hews Go New Rod? ¶ Auxiliary Information: • The Bat! Pro 4.2.44.2 • Extended Macro Plugin 1.2.1.0 • Windows XP Pro 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 • Scanned by avast! Plugin DB Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hi Nick, On Friday, June 03, 2011, at 1:44:58 AM PST, you wrote: OT: I fear for the future of our lovely e-mail program. As do I, but I'm not even thinking about Iphone apps and such. The most stable TB! version I've ever used was v2.12, which I held onto for much longer than most people before updating (I specifically refrain from using the term upgrading). Filtering and its associated options has become a true pain, where before it was very powerful, and everything worked as expected. System resource usage also seems to become more cumbersome as each new version is released. Since moving on to v4.x, I've submitted bug issues, and have received totally unsatisfactory responses...until they just stopped responding at all. No solutions. I'll keep using TB!, as I do still like it more than most other email clients I've tried or used, but will now always be wary of updating. Also, very unfortunately, I'm much more reluctant to recommend TB! to new users (just not reliable enough anymore). There was a time when I sent all sorts of new customers to Ritlabs. That's just not the case anymore. -- Melissa PGP Public Key: http://tinyurl.com/2cmefzy TB! v4.2.44.2 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Nick, Friday, June 3, 2011, 4:44:58 AM, you wrote: You can download the app from its page http://www.ritlabs.us/sparking/. There’s also a video file that will guide you into using sParking. I don't have an iPhone and my garage is full of bikes and junk. I'd rather they were spending my license dollars fixing bugs :-( I'd like an android version of TB! The various email programs I've seen/tried thus far are pathetic at best. -- Best regards, Georgemailto:grime...@comcast.net Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello MFPA, M On Thursday 2 June 2011 at 3:28:33 AM, in response to Thomas M Fernancdes comment (It might be one of those things we'll never M find out) you wrote: M Does Event Viewer have anything (intelligible) to say about it? Whoa! I've never looked at the Event Viewer in Windows 7. Fascinating! Don't have time right now to try to figure it out, but it's jammed with stuff. Looks like most of it is unimportant (e.g. Dhcp Client not assigned address from network), but should have time this weekend to look more closely. Thanks for opening for me a new window into Windows! --Ed Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Edward, On Wednesday, June 1, 2011, you wrote: EG Could anyone shed some light on this? I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate EG and just got this message as TB closed: EG Critical Sections Leak in module @ 00047B34 TBatCriticalSection EG left caller addresses listed below: 0012FD4. I suffer from the same issue. Something similar is bugged, but no progress since last December - https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8225nbn=9 OT: I fear for the future of our lovely e-mail program. Especially since reading this over my morning cuppa: RITLabs begins working with mobile platforms Good news for users with mobile devices, especially iPhones – RITLabs started developing software for mobile platforms. Since it is a new field for our company, we begin with designing some pilot apps. One of these apps is sParking – first iPhone app that will help you run your car into the garage easily and accurately. This name is short for “simple parking”, or “safe parking”, or “self-parking” – you can expand the first letter in any of these ways, because the application has all these features. You can download the app from its page http://www.ritlabs.us/sparking/. There’s also a video file that will guide you into using sParking. I don't have an iPhone and my garage is full of bikes and junk. I'd rather they were spending my license dollars fixing bugs :-( -- Nick | n...@winchmore.com | M: 079 6717 4896 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi On Thursday 2 June 2011 at 3:28:33 AM, in mid:3010490634.20110602092...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: It might be one of those things we'll never find out. Does Event Viewer have anything (intelligible) to say about it? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Edward, On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:31:26 -0400 GMT (01/Jun/11, 21:31 PM +0700 GMT), Edward Germain wrote: EG Could anyone shed some light on this? I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate EG and just got this message as TB closed: EG Critical Sections Leak in module @ 00047B34 TBatCriticalSection EG left caller addresses listed below: 0012FD4. Which TB! version are you using? Are you using POP or IMAP? Is this reliable reproducable or a one-time event? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Critical Error?
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 12:01:15 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Thomas, Thanks for your reply. TF Which TB! version are you using? TB 5.0.12 TF Are you using POP or IMAP? POP TF Is this reliable reproducable or a one-time event? One-time I'm curious about what actually happened. --Ed mailto:edgerm...@earthlink.net Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Edward, On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:41:14 -0400 GMT (02/Jun/11, 2:41 AM +0700 GMT), Edward Germain wrote: TF Which TB! version are you using? EG TB 5.0.12 TF Are you using POP or IMAP? EG POP TF Is this reliable reproducable or a one-time event? EG One-time If it's one-time, it will not be possible to search for any bugs. Only if we can tell the developers that if I do this and that, can they try it out, verify, and then fix the code. With Windows, you never know. It could even have been a flaw in the OS. EG I'm curious about what actually happened. It might be one of those things we'll never find out. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
