Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 3:57:50 AM, you wrote: TF> This thread has evolved into smething like "how to remotely access TF> your PC by using The Bat". This is not what I meant. It wasn´t what I meant either but I think it is a very cleaver use of possibilities. TF> If you want to remotely access your PC, there are other programs TF> around. True, but if I am only traveling a few days I like to just take my iPAQ instead of a heavy laptop. Furthermore it is pretty easy to find a way to send an email but much harder to start up programs like PC anywere. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= He realized now why pros were all grave, silent men who seemed to, struggle manfully against some secret sorrow. It was because they were too darned good. Golf had no surprises for them, no gallant spirit of adventure. ==P.G Wodehouse - THE MAGIC PLUS FOURS == Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 2:55:50 AM, you wrote: RO> What what you say about this: OnlyMeAndNobodyElse RO> As good as any other password. ;-) Yes! And let's make it even stronger: %OnlyMeAndNobodyElse ;-) -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Gerrit, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:04:41 +0200 GMT (07/10/2003, 04:04 +0700 GMT), Gerrit Kiers wrote: > But I am not at ease with the password in the subject, since these > are very easy revealed (usually logged and so on). I actually started > already thinking of a %SetHeader generating a pass-field. But > considering the power of these filters, even that I consider unwise. What I suggested was a filter that, once triggered by yourself, will send a message back to you, so you know your TB is still up and running. This thread has evolved into smething like "how to remotely access your PC by using The Bat". This is not what I meant. If you want to remotely access your PC, there are other programs around. PCanywhere comes to mind. Be aware that if you have remote access, so will anybody else who knows your password. SSL encyrption comes to mind - but certainly not a plaintext password sent by mail! Regardless of whether it is in the subject line or a header. the more access you allow yourself to have to your computer while on the road, the more you'll have to think about security. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Eine Frage zu Word: "Wo sind denn hier die Sonderzeichen fuer die roemischen Ziffern?" "Du must alt festhalten und dann auf dem Nummernblock 73 fuer ein "I" und 86 fuer ein "V" tippen." Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hallo Gerrit, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:04:41 +0200GMT (6-10-03, 23:04 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO>> Isn't that difficult GK> Thanks! I had to read it three times to fully comprehend what you GK> wrote. ;-) I am utterly amazed by the scope of these two filters. I GK> thought of one specific filter for the %AttachFile-macro. You GK> presented a general control mechanism. Well, as I said, it isn't very difficult. The only thing you've got to study is restricting access. The easiest way to do that is a password eventually combined with a sender address. More complicated things can be accomplished, but you'll have to realise that anybody capable of breaking your code and at the same time being able to give the full path to any of your files probably has access to your computer and won't bother to access them via mail, especially not since it's likely to be found out who did it. (received headers of incoming messages explain a lot) GK> If I only imagine the faces of my colleagues when I phone in one day GK> to tell them "Please start up my computer. I want to do some GK> e-mailing)" ;-) GK> But I am not at ease with the password in the subject, since these GK> are very easy revealed (usually logged and so on). I actually started GK> already thinking of a %SetHeader generating a pass-field. That's as likely to be breached as anything. TB's not the only program that can create it's own headers. GK> Thinking of what I wanted to do in the first place (sending a certain GK> document to myself) I might gain safety by making the second filter GK> only send to my own e-mailaddress. But I think these macro's GK> %To=""%To="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"%- GK> would be able to break that precaution and any file could be send GK> anyware! So at the moment I think these filters should not be used GK> lightly. In that case you'd better restrict the scope of the filters. Make your reply message something like %To=""%To="MyOwnAddress" %attachfile="%put='filepath/filename'" Now the only thing you need to insert in your command message is the path/name of the file you want to get and only that at the very top of the message body. The reason for the double To macro is that even if somebody got the filter being triggered that the message would get to you whatever the reply-to header of the command message would be. RO>> Set your password (secret code is rather dramatic) GK> (still looking for a "secret code") ;, What what you say about this: OnlyMeAndNobodyElse As good as any other password. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Roelof, Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:48:45 PM, you wrote: RO> Isn't that difficult Thanks! I had to read it three times to fully comprehend what you wrote. ;-) I am utterly amazed by the scope of these two filters. I thought of one specific filter for the %AttachFile-macro. You presented a general control mechanism. If I only imagine the faces of my colleagues when I phone in one day to tell them "Please start up my computer. I want to do some e-mailing)" ;-) But I am not at ease with the password in the subject, since these are very easy revealed (usually logged and so on). I actually started already thinking of a %SetHeader generating a pass-field. But considering the power of these filters, even that I consider unwise. Thinking of what I wanted to do in the first place (sending a certain document to myself) I might gain safety by making the second filter only send to my own e-mailaddress. But I think these macro's %To=""%To="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"%- would be able to break that precaution and any file could be send anyware! So at the moment I think these filters should not be used lightly. RO> Set your password (secret code is rather dramatic) (still looking for a "secret code") ;, -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Monday, October 6, 2003, 9:26:27 PM, you wrote: SMN> Both the Office Rules and especially the program are very proprietary. SMN> Unless I go in and tweak the programcode extensively I don't think the SMN> system would work on any other PC than mine, I'm afraid... SMN> It is possible I can make a lite version that should work properly SMN> with any Windows system - what is it that you want it to do? Hi St, Well me #1 priority is to check if everything is still up and running, meaning my PC and TB!. But after reading about your system I might want to do some extra things like forwarding a few mails :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bomb - A very long shot, usually a drive. When we try to hit a bomb the result is usually what youd expect from a bomb a disaster! Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
> How do you do a restart if TB! hangs? Also my win2K system requires a > PW or when no pw is needed a press of the enter key. Well, I am fortunated enough to have people around that can turn the PC off and on - and when that has been done my PC logs in with the correct user. It hasn't happend that TB has hanged on me. > How do these little menu's work, is this a separate program? The menues you saw were weblinks that links to webforms - there is an example of one such form here: http://www.musaic.net/tb After filling out the form and clicking Submit, the form result is then sent to the respective administrative address. TB downloads mail for this address and provided the secret code and receipient etc. complies with the Office Rules I have set up ;) TB will store the form result as a text file. Finally, TB executes the program I have made to handle the request. This program administrate the mailinglists, it creates the munged email (the mail I can send from anywhere / from any network yet it seem to come from my PC at home ;) and the program also reboot the PC, and updates Norton Antivirus etc. > Can you send so files for me to modify privately? Both the Office Rules and especially the program are very proprietary. Unless I go in and tweak the programcode extensively I don't think the system would work on any other PC than mine, I'm afraid... It is possible I can make a lite version that should work properly with any Windows system - what is it that you want it to do? -- St Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hallo Gerrit, On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:33:53 +0200GMT (6-10-03, 10:33 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GK> How I like that "secret code" idea! You see: I once came to believe GK> that if I would construct a clever filter system I would probably be GK> able to have The Bat! (at the office) send me any file I would request GK> to me when I am on the road (by putting the full path of the file in GK> the body). Such a thing would defenetely require a "secret code", and GK> of course I've never even tried to implement it, but it would be GK> brilliant! Isn't that difficult Set your password (secret code is rather dramatic) in your subject line and create two filters that trigger on that subject. Your first filter exports the message to file (overwrites it) the export template will only contain the macro %text and the filter (at options) is set to 'continue processing with other filters' Your second filter is set to reply to any message with your password in the subject line with a reply template that has this: %include="path\filename" path\filename being the file where you exported your message to in your first filter. To instruct TB to do whatever you'd like it to, you'd only need to send it a template, something like: %AttachFile="C:\My documents\My silly text.doc" Could be something entirely different too, like: %To=""%To="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"%- %Subject="Out of office"%- Hi, I forgot to tell you I'm out of the office, can't be reached for a while. LLAP Just to tell somebody that you're gone without telling him your travelling e-mail address. Of course you'd need to remember some macros, but not the really difficult ones. Since the only things you'd want to is replying the message to a different address than you'd be using to send the trigger message, to change the subject (your reply template should take care of a neutral subject, since it would otherwise send your password as subject line) and to add some files. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Gerard- Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:08:26 AM, you wrote: G> How do you do a restart if TB! hangs? Also my win2K system requires a PW G> or when no pw is needed a press of the enter key. Pick up TweakUI from Microsoft's site and set the Logon options to log on the desired user automatically. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Monday, October 6, 2003, 1:36:55 PM, you wrote: SMN> I must admit I am very satisfied with my system, alas, I did not think of SMN> it as a commercial product when I started out designing it. So it is not SMN> very likely I will offer the system - it is too much a personal system SMN> now. SMN> It is one hell of a satisfaction being able to sit in anywhere (Denmark SMN> and Ghana mostly) and administrate my TB-mail and mailinglists from an SMN> internet café. Hi St, I think it is great that you have got it automated this way. Can you help me with a few questions. How do you do a restart if TB! hangs? Also my win2K system requires a PW or when no pw is needed a press of the enter key. How do these little menu´s work, is this a separate program? Can you send so files for me to modify privately? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If it goes right, it's a slice. If it goes left, it's a hook. If it goes straight, it's a miracle. Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
ON Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:53:49 AM, you wrote: TF> Apart from the scheduler, which Allie already mentioned, I would go TF> about differently: TF> I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a "secret code" TF> (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code TF> to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to TF> the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check TF> wehther TB is running as often as you like. Hi Thomas, Last night, after I send this msg, I though about this myself. The only problem I can see is that it takes some time receive the email (mine is set for 10 min.) and to send a mail back. But the idea is sound and I will fiddle around with it a bit more. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Let Mother show you how to hold that mashie.Whats a mashie ? A new gash opened in Janes heart. Four years old, and he didnt know what a mashie was. ==P.G Wodehouse - JANE GETS OFF THE FAIRWAY == Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
> I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a "secret code"
> (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code
> to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to
> the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check
> wehther TB is running as often as you like.
Funny! I have made such a system to use with my TB. I send my requests
from any web-browser - these are my commands:
> MAIL RELAY:
> COMPOSE MESSAGES:
> Compose a munged message
> READ MAIL:
> Webread
> MANAGE SIGNATURES:
> Retrieve | Update
> MANAGE RELAY LOG:
> Retrieve relayed addresses
>
> MAILING LIST:
> GENERAL MANAGEMENT:
> Send a listadministrator's notification
> Resume list | Put list On Hold
> Create a list
> EDIT LIST INFORMATION:
> Retrieve | Update | Send
> EDIT LIST CONFIGURATION:
> Retrieve | Update
> EDIT DIGEST:
> Retrieve | Update | Create
> EDIT DIGEST CONFIGURATION:
> Retrieve | Update
> EDIT BANNER FILES:
> Retrieve | Update
> MANAGE SUBSCRIPTIONS:
> Check subscription status
> Subscribe | Unsubscribe
> Enable posting | Disable posting
> Reactivate | Moderate
> Approved a moderated message
> Reinstate | Ban
> Back-In-Office | Out-Of-Office
> MANAGE SUBJECT BLOCK:
> Retrieve | Unblock | Block
>
> JUNKSHIELD:
> GENERAL MANAGEMENT:
> Reboot | Abort Reboot | Lock | Ping
> SYMANTEC LIVEUPDATE:
> Retrieve Status | Update
> RELAY LOGS:
> Retrieve | Prune
>
> MISCELLANEOUS:
> MANAGE FILES:
> Retrieve folder summary
> Retrieve account files
> Forward local files by mail
> HANDLING OF BANNED MAIL:
> Retrieve | Prune | Process mail
As you see, from any web-browser I can send a mail and have it look as
if it is coming from the local machine ("Compose a munged message");
there is a full mailinglists management; I can reboot the PC, Lock the
console - and also Ping (which is equivalent to your "Check TB" thing),
I can choose not to trust Symantec Liveupdate by forcing an Update of
the virus definitions, and my Misc section provides file retrievement.
My TB is set to check mail every 15 seconds. I have a system going on
with filters that take care of spam-filtering (SpamCop, Spamassassin,
and my own JunkShield). When "on tour" I can chosse to only read the
real mail - no annoying spam! Also, these filters forward to me any mail
that is relevant to me as a mailinglist administrator (ie. requests and
member submissions), but mail from mailinglists that I just follow I can
choose to have it downloaded and sort into local mailboxes for archiving
locally, but not forwarded to my webaccess account.
I must admit I am very satisfied with my system, alas, I did not think of
it as a commercial product when I started out designing it. So it is not
very likely I will offer the system - it is too much a personal system
now.
It is one hell of a satisfaction being able to sit in anywhere (Denmark
and Ghana mostly) and administrate my TB-mail and mailinglists from an
internet café.
The system I have made could probably have been made with the help of a
Hotmail-account and by setting up the lists at Yahoogroups - but I enjoy
owning my own property, thank you! :)) And half of the reason why I made
this system is just that it is FUN! :)
--
St
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Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Thomas, Monday, October 6, 2003, 7:53:49 AM, you wrote: TF> I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a "secret code" TF> (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code TF> to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to TF> the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check TF> wehther TB is running as often as you like. How I like that "secret code" idea! You see: I once came to believe that if I would construct a clever filter system I would probably be able to have The Bat! (at the office) send me any file I would request to me when I am on the road (by putting the full path of the file in the body). Such a thing would defenetely require a "secret code", and of course I've never even tried to implement it, but it would be brilliant! -- Best regards, Gerrit Kiers Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Gerard, On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:43:44 +0200 GMT (06/10/2003, 03:43 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: > I am thinking that if TB! can send a mail it is still functioning > properly , but I can't figure a way to have TB! send emails > automatically, say every 2 hours. You'll be away for a week and want TB send you an automted mail every 32 hours? Hm, I would think this will fill up your Inbox (of the account that you check). > Does anyone know if this is possible and how to do this? Or does > anyone know of an other way to accomplish the same result? Apart from the scheduler, which Allie already mentioned, I would go about differently: I would create an Incoming filter that is triggered by a "secret code" (string) in the subject line. When you send a message with that code to the account TB is checking, an automated message will be sent to the account that you check while on the road. This way, you can check wehther TB is running as often as you like. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The difference between a king and a president is that a king is the son of his father but a president is not. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.22 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to send mails un attended?
Hello Gerard, Sunday, October 5, 2003, 10:43:44 PM, you wrote: > I am thinking that if TB! can send a mail it is still functioning properly > , but I can't figure a way to have TB! send emails automatically, say > every 2 hours. > Does anyone know if this is possible and how to do this? > Or does anyone know of an other way to accomplish the same result? You can use the scheduler to do that: ALT+F6 and INS to insert an appointment. On the Tab actions ad sending an e-mail On the Tab Recurrence select 2 hours or so. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.00.6, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Ash nazg durbatulëk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulëk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul - The One Ring Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
