Re: Moving to original message

2004-10-07 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard!

On Thursday, October 07, 2004, 11:05 AM, you wrote:

MB>> If you find it, Richard, please post the URL of the note here

RW> Couldn't find any reference to it so have added one myself.
RW> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3880

So I've just been there and added my note of support. Thank you for
doing this, Richard.

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Re: Moving to original message

2004-10-07 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard!

On Thursday, October 07, 2004, 10:09 AM, you wrote:

TF>> A keyboard shortcut or menu item "Go to parent" should be in the
TF>> wish list somewhere ...

RW> Ah, I was using the wrong search words. I'll try again because I
RW> knew I'd seen it before. Thanks.

If you find it, Richard, please post the URL of the note here, and
I'll put a supporting note for the wish, also.

We are getting very close to a full release of v. 3.0.1, I think. It's
a good time to get all bugs and longings mentioned on tbbeta, also.

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Re: Moving to original message

2004-10-07 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Richard,

Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 6:46:11 PM, you wrote:


ASK>> [the "follow previous" and "follow next" entries in the "Navigation"
ASK>> menu of the message viewer would ideally follow the related messages

> Unfortunately that would not be precise enough anyway because it's not
> the next or previous message I want to view but the original to which
> this one is the reply. Maybe one day as there are so many other options
> available with message viewing ;-)

Now it was me not being specific enough - what I meant to say was it
would be desirable if those commands would follow the *thread*, not
only in the current folder but global.


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Re: Moving to original message

2004-10-07 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:01:53 +0100 GMT (06/10/2004, 15:01 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

RW> Is there a quick way of moving to the original message and back please?

A keyboard shortcut or menu item "Go to parent" should be in the wish
list somewhere, I hope. It was mentioned often enough enough.

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Re: Moving to original message

2004-10-06 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Richard,

Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 10:01:53 AM, you wrote:

> Is there a quick way of moving to the original message and back please?

I'd say it depends on "where" - in a mailing list folder you'll mostly
have threaded messages, anyway, but in your personal inbox its
difficult.

[the "follow previous" and "follow next" entries in the "Navigation"
menu of the message viewer would ideally follow the related messages
(regarding in-reply-to and references header) account-wide, but that
is not the case]

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Re: Moving to original message

2004-10-06 Thread Nick Dutton
Hello Richard,

Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 9:01:53 AM, you wrote:
RW> Is there a quick way of moving to the original message and back please?

If the original message is still in the same folder then I just
-click on the subject to filter.  It's a kind of simple thread
view.


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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Miguel,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 at 14:22:26[GMT +0100](which was 13:22 where I
live) you wrote:

> I am sure you have seen in this and other TB
> lists "MID links" like:

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> If you double click on it it will "jump" and take you to the root
> message of this thread.

Yes, I found that out for the first time earlier today. Now, if the
same thing could be implemented in the main Message view window with a
key stroke capability too it would make me (and hopefully a few
others) happy :-)

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Miguel,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 at 16:54:09[GMT +0100](which was 15:54 where I
live) you wrote:

> Alt+Left_Arrow (or right click and select "Move to previously
> viewed").

But that only takes you back the messages you have read in that
particular session. It doesn't take you to the number (1) (the
original) message of the particular (2) that you might be reading.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Peter,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 at 16:18:22[GMT +0100](which was 15:18 where I
live) you wrote:

> Select (1), than select two and read it. Now use + to move
> to the "previous selected message" and + to move to the "next
> selected message". This way you can toggle between (1) and the (2) you
> were coming from to (1).

A good idea but you've got to be able to find the correct (1) to start
off with which, sometimes, isn't so easy. Also I think I'd invariably
forget to select (1) even if I could always find it :-)

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Peter,

> And how to "jump back" from (1) to _the correct_ (2)? That's
> difficulty if there're several "second level" replies, isn't it?

Alt+Left_Arrow (or right click and select "Move to previously
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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Peter Palmreuther
Hello Richard,

On Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 11:10:59 AM you [RW] wrote (at least in
part):

RW> Yes, so I want to be able to have an option that, whilst reading the
RW> third number 2 message, I can toggle between that and the original
RW> number 1.

And how to "jump back" from (1) to _the correct_ (2)? That's
difficulty if there're several "second level" replies, isn't it?

OK, but here's a possible "work around":

Select (1), than select two and read it. Now use + to move
to the "previous selected message" and + to move to the "next
selected message". This way you can toggle between (1) and the (2) you
were coming from to (1).
this shortcut works "multilevel", means: if you "walk down" a tree of
messages + will bring you up once more with every
additional use.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Richard,

> Let's hope the option is implemented although I've been away for a
> few days and still haven't visited the wishlist - off there now.

It should be fairly easy to implement since they already have some of
the needed code there. I am sure you have seen in this and other TB
lists "MID links" like:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you double click on it it will "jump" and take you to the root
message of this thread.

So, all Ritlabs would have to do is "jump" to the MID that appears on
the In-Reply-To: header line or, for the root, to the first MID
in the References: line. If I have time this afternoon I will take a
look at doing it with PowerPro.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thorsten,

You forgot to add your own words of wisdom which I was looking forward
to reading ;-(


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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Roelof,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 at 08:42:44[GMT +0100](which was 07:42 where I
live) you wrote:

> Yes. you're probably sorting in descending order, but that wouldn't
> really matter.

I am sorting that way and I agree, it shouldn't matter but it does
seem to. If I turn it off the threading changes considerably but I'm
being difficult because I prefer descending order :-)

> And you're having unchecked:
>  Options -> Preferences -> Message list -> Automatically adjust first
>   column width for threaded view

No, that's always been checked.

> What I mean by level is this (all messages with same level have same
> number):

> 1-Blablabla
>   |
>   2-Re:Blablabla
>   |
>   2-Re:Blablabla
>   | |
>   | 3-Re:Blablabla
>   |   |
>   |   4-Re:Blablabla
>   |
>   2-Re:Blablabla
> |
> 3-Re:Blablabla

Yes, so I want to be able to have an option that, whilst reading the
third number 2 message, I can toggle between that and the original
number 1. That would seem to be a useful option whether reading in
descending order or not. If the read message ID were included in the
reply, as per Anthony in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> then
it is possible to click on that and the whole thread comes up in the
"View Folder" box but I never use that. I always rely on the main Bat!
display (as per your screenshot) to do all my reading.

Thanks for taking the time to send me the screenshot though.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Anthony,

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 at 18:51:49[GMT -0800](which was 02:51 where I
live) you wrote:

>> I've searched high and low through the key strokes list and can't find
>> out how to move to the "original" message that I am reading the answer
>> to.

> Ctrl + Backspace

Just found out that, if I turn off "sort by descending order" (I
happen to prefer that) our suggestion does work so thanks ;-)

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Richard,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:04 +GMT (26-1-03, 1:13 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

>> When you view threads by references, the message that was replied
>> to is _always_ one level up.
RW> Now this is getting interesting because it certainly doesn't
RW> happen here.

I made a screendump located at:
http://www.krakeel.cistron.nl/threaded_by_references.jpg to show how
it looks here. Your message I'm replying to now is highlighted. Follow
the tree back up, you'll find my message you replied to, and another
one back up is your message I replied to.

RW> In fact, on inspecting closer, the thread from your message to my
RW> original goes back four messages and, even then, the message you
RW> replied to is one higher in the thread. Does that make sense to
RW> you?

Yes. you're probably sorting in descending order, but that wouldn't
really matter. And you're having unchecked:
 Options -> Preferences -> Message list -> Automatically adjust first
  column width for threaded view
That would account for what you're describing. Especially the latter
option might help.

RW> I do have threads sorted by creation time so that might make a
RW> difference and, as you are the 5th reply to that message, you are
RW> 5th down the list and not one level up. Or have I misread what you
RW> mean by one level?

What I mean by level is this (all messages with same level have same
number):

1-Blablabla
  |
  2-Re:Blablabla
  |
  2-Re:Blablabla
  | |
  | 3-Re:Blablabla
  |   |
  |   4-Re:Blablabla
  |
  2-Re:Blablabla
|
3-Re:Blablabla


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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Roelof,

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 at 00:20:44[GMT +0100](which was 23:20 where I
live) you wrote:

> When you view threads by references, the message that was replied to
> is _always_ one level up.

Now this is getting interesting because it certainly doesn't happen
here. In fact, on inspecting closer, the thread from your message to
my original goes back four messages and, even then, the message you
replied to is one higher in the thread. Does that make sense to you?

In other words your message here is actually threaded to Mary's reply
to the message you are replying to instead of one higher which was my
message. This happens with all other threads in the folder to. The
reply goes to the one _after_ the one it is actually replied to.

This is too complicated :-)

I do have threads sorted by creation time so that might make a
difference and, as you are the 5th reply to that message, you are 5th
down the list and not one level up. Or have I misread what you mean by
one level?

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Richard,

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:07:15 +GMT (25-1-03, 15:07 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RW> I want to be able to see the message that the poster who's message
RW> I am reading is replying to and that may be well up the thread if
RW> the poster has replied late after others have had their say
RW> beforehand.

When you view threads by references, the message that was replied to
is _always_ one level up.
When it's not possible to view threads by references, because the used
client doesn't include them then it's not possible for a program to
decide what the previous message has been, so sorting by references is
the way to go until your wish list item has been processed.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mary,

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 at 16:24:19[GMT -0600](which was 22:24 where I
live) you wrote:

> I am afraid this exchange will soon be considered OT. Want to say any
> more on TBOT?

I don't think so. Just wait and hope that wishes are implemented by
the powers that be :-)

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard!

On Saturday, January 25, 2003, 4:16 PM, you wrote:

MB>> It was my first post to the wish-list. I got a "form" letter back, but
MB>> at least I know the request is in their files now.

MB>> Have you posted yours yet? ...

R> Yes, I posted mine about 6 hours ago but no form letter back as yet
R> :-(

It took about two days for my response to arrive. Don't why something
so automatic should be so slow. :)

I am afraid this exchange will soon be considered OT. Want to say any
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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mary,

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 at 12:31:03[GMT -0600](which was 18:31 where I
live) you wrote:

> It was my first post to the wish-list. I got a "form" letter back, but
> at least I know the request is in their files now.

> Have you posted yours yet? I saw your post to Miguel that you were
> going there today.

Yes, I posted mine about 6 hours ago but no form letter back as yet
:-(

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard!

On Saturday, January 25, 2003, 8:07 AM, you wrote:

MB>> I went to the TBUDL folder and tried it. Of course, I had to scroll
MB>> for the "root," as Thomas terms it, the originating message of the
MB>> thread.

R> Ah, but that's not the one I want either :-)

R> I want to be able to see the message that the poster who's message I
R> am reading is replying to and that may be well up the thread if the
R> poster has replied late after others have had their say beforehand.

Exactly. I see what you are saying. And that is an even more elusive
"hunt," as you just explained to Miguel, than a simple up-thread
passage to the "root." Because sometimes, we do veer a little
off-subject here. So the message you are interested in might not be
about the originating message's info or query. :)

I did go to the wish-list. I CCd my communique to the wish-list to
TBUDL, also.

It was my first post to the wish-list. I got a "form" letter back, but
at least I know the request is in their files now.

Have you posted yours yet? I saw your post to Miguel that you were
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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mary,

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 at 07:11:40[GMT -0600](which was 13:11 where I
live) you wrote:

> I went to the TBUDL folder and tried it. Of course, I had to scroll
> for the "root," as Thomas terms it, the originating message of the
> thread.

Ah, but that's not the one I want either :-)

I want to be able to see the message that the poster who's message I
am reading is replying to and that may be well up the thread if the
poster has replied late after others have had their say beforehand.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Miguel,

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 at 10:17:24[GMT +0100](which was 09:17 where I
live) you wrote:

> Are you
> using View/View threads by/Reference? That helps a bit.

Certainly am :-)

I also usually have them sorted by creation time too. The trouble is I
sometimes can't even find the original message that the poster was
replying to, even when following the threads. Let's hope the option is
implemented although I've been away for a few days and still haven't
visited the wishlist - off there now.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-22 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard!

On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:24 AM, you wrote:

MB>> I like to have the original in front of me, too. I have my Windows
MB>> arranged in a tiled fashion--I did it through manually sizing them,
MB>> rather than selecting Tiles--such that a message I am Replying to
MB>> peeks out to the left, just behind the Reply "Edit Mail Message"

R> That's  not quite what I want. I want to see, not the original to what
R> I am replying, but the original to the message I am just reading at
R> the time - a different beast all together! ...

I didn't organize what I was trying to say very well--I was using what
I did with Reply as an example. :)

I went to the TBUDL folder and tried it. Of course, I had to scroll
for the "root," as Thomas terms it, the originating message of the
thread. Once found, though, I kept it up as an open folder. And I was
able to read the subsequent posts with that open folder behind the
Window I was reading in. And to keep more than one folder stacked, if
subsequent posts looked as if I might want to refer back to them, as I
read.

However, I agree with you--it is more than just a minor pain to have
to hunt the original message by scrolling, before one can do this.

R> ... As you will see I've been pointed to CTRL + BACKSPACE but that
R> doesn't work for me.

Nor for me, neither. For me it brought up the previous message.

R> I will do as Thomas says and get me to the wishlist.

I am going there, now, also. It will be my first post to the wishlist. :)

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-22 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Richard,

>> You could always put it again into the wishlist. I also have to scroll
>> up the line in thread view often in order to find the message the
>> poster had replied to. I would prefer a single keystroke "go to
>> message up thread" and another one for "go to root (message that
>> started thread)".
>
> I'm off there now thanks.

I'd also like to have both "move to original" and "move to root"
options". Meanwhile, let me ask you perhaps a naive question. Are you
using View/View threads by/Reference? That helps a bit.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-22 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas,

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 at 11:14:47[GMT +0700](which was 04:14 where I
live) you wrote:

> You could always put it again into the wishlist. I also have to scroll
> up the line in thread view often in order to find the message the
> poster had replied to. I would prefer a single keystroke "go to
> message up thread" and another one for "go to root (message that
> started thread)".

I'm off there now thanks.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-22 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mary,

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 at 19:51:01[GMT -0600](which was 01:51 where I
live) you wrote:

> I like to have the original in front of me, too. I have my Windows
> arranged in a tiled fashion--I did it through manually sizing them,
> rather than selecting Tiles--such that a message I am Replying to
> peeks out to the left, just behind the Reply "Edit Mail Message"

That's  not quite what I want. I want to see, not the original to what
I am replying, but the original to the message I am just reading at
the time - a different beast all together! As you will see I've been
pointed to CTRL + BACKSPACE but that doesn't work for me.

I will do as Thomas says and get me to the wishlist.

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-22 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Anthony,

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 at 18:51:49[GMT -0800](which was 02:51 where I
live) you wrote:

> Ctrl + Backspace

Not here it doesn't unfortunately. All I get is the following dialogue
box "This message is addressed to you but not marked as replied." ;-(

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:34:38 + GMT (22/01/03, 07:34 +0700 GMT),
Richard Wakeford wrote:

> I've searched high and low through the key strokes list and can't find
> out how to move to the "original" message that I am reading the answer
> to.

> Please, is there a way of doing that which I have completely missed?

You could always put it again into the wishlist. I also have to scroll
up the line in thread view often in order to find the message the
poster had replied to. I would prefer a single keystroke "go to
message up thread" and another one for "go to root (message that
started thread)".

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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-21 Thread Anthony Xin Chen
Hi All,

On 22 Jan 2003 00:34:38  (my local time 21 ¤@¤ë 2003 16:34:38),
Richard Wakeford wrote
(in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

> I've searched high and low through the key strokes list and can't find
> out how to move to the "original" message that I am reading the answer
> to.

Ctrl + Backspace






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Re: Moving to original message

2003-01-21 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard!

On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, 6:34 PM, you wrote:

R> I've searched high and low through the key strokes list and can't find
R> out how to move to the "original" message that I am reading the answer
R> to. I can see how to move to the previous unread but that's not the
R> same. Even though mail is well quoted I find it still helps me to
R> sometimes read the whole of the original mail if I'm really interested
R> in the subject matter to enable me to understand things better.

I like to have the original in front of me, too. I have my Windows
arranged in a tiled fashion--I did it through manually sizing them,
rather than selecting Tiles--such that a message I am Replying to
peeks out to the left, just behind the Reply "Edit Mail Message"
Window. I am a Mouse person. So, a click in the original field that
sticks out will put the original I am replying to in front of me,
and--since I have the Reply Window just a little longer than the "View
Folder Window" of the original--I can click in that field and get back
to message composition.

Now--if you went back to the first message in the thread and put its
Window up, could you size things such that you could click back and
forth? I haven't tried it for that.

And maybe you are not a Mouse person at all. Also, maybe someone will
come up with the exact key-stroke for your needs, and all this
speculating is for nothing!

R> Please, is there a way of doing that which I have completely missed?

I am going to try what I just suggested, to see if it works.

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