Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Dieter Hummel]

Hello Listmembers,

On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 at 20:50:51 [GMT +] Simon wrote:

> really. However, for users who visually check FTP for the file, then perhaps
> a plaintext file named with the current version number could be placed in
> the folder so that everyone can identify the release. Beyond that, the
> executable could contain the version information ;)

It  would  be helpful to put the file which normally inform us about the
changes a new version has undergone, as 'descript.ion' or 'index.txt' or
'index'  into  the  same ftp directory as the executable or zipped beta.
Most  ftp-clients  are  able to autodisplay this kinda file prior to any
other activity.


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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Simon]

Christopher, dia duit!

On Sunday 15/03/2000 you posted the following comments to Nick @ 
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C> I  asked for this change long long ago, but I was told that this is to
C> ensure  that  all  the  links  always refer to the newest version. And
C> after  some  thinking  I  must agree with this, especially now, when I
C> started  Polish  support  pages for TB and benefit from half-automatic
C> upgrading  of  the  file  on my server (full automation on its way)...
C> The constant filename really has its benefits!

For users who autodownload the file from the same server each time I can't
see that a filename change would serve any purpose; makes no difference
really. However, for users who visually check FTP for the file, then perhaps
a plaintext file named with the current version number could be placed in
the folder so that everyone can identify the release. Beyond that, the
executable could contain the version information ;)

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Christopher,

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:00:58 +0100GMT (12/03/2000, 21:00 +0800GMT),
Christopher J. Trybowski wrote:

CJT> I  asked for this change long long ago, but I was told that this is to
CJT> ensure  that  all  the  links  always refer to the newest version. And
CJT> after  some  thinking  I  must agree with this, especially now, when I
CJT> started  Polish  support  pages for TB and benefit from half-automatic
CJT> upgrading  of  the  file  on my server (full automation on its way)...
CJT> The constant filename really has its benefits!

How about placing the new files twice on the server: once for the
mirrors with always the same name, and once ofr us stupid humans who
need to know the version number?

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

Hello Nick,
On Saturday, March 11, 2000 you wrote:

>> The file 'thebat.exe' is the main executable only. The file the_bat.exe is
>> the full install.

> It would have been far less confusing to name the full install tb1.41.exe
> for instance, and the executable could then retain the name thebat.exe  I
> don't know about the others, but I found them to be confusing, listed as
> they were.

I  asked for this change long long ago, but I was told that this is to
ensure  that  all  the  links  always refer to the newest version. And
after  some  thinking  I  must agree with this, especially now, when I
started  Polish  support  pages for TB and benefit from half-automatic
upgrading  of  the  file  on my server (full automation on its way)...
The constant filename really has its benefits!

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Tom Plunket]

Leif wrote:

NA>> It would have been far less confusing to name the full install
NA>> tb1.41.exe for instance, and the executable could then retain the
NA>> name thebat.exe I don't know about the others, but I found them to
NA>> be confusing, listed as they were.

LG> I once asked RITLabs why they insisted on keeping the the_bat.exe
LG> filename across different versions, and they said it was so that no
LG> matter what review you read, and no matter how old it was, you would
LG> always be pointed to the most current version of TB.

Ahh, the joy of symlinks, all they need to do is link to the most
recent version if you select the_bat.exe, or you can note that there
are different versions if you see tb139.exe, tb141b4.exe, and
tb141.exe.


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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:33:18 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Q: Why would you download TB if you are already running it?
> A: Because you know an update is available.

Or you're downloading it for the first time off a mirror site
and aren't really sure which is the latest version. At 0.5kbit/s you
wait for it to come down. Subscribe to TBUDL, only to realise that you
downloaded an earlier release. Drats. You wouldn't have known either.
No version number attached.

> Q: Why would you download TB if you have already updated, thus
> probably downloading the same version you have already on your machine?
> A: I don't know.  ;-)

What tipped me to the final release is that I went to look at
ftp.ritlabs.com to see what this thing about the download being 3MB
was about. I noted that the full install download was a file dated the
10th of March. Very recent. Most likely an unannounced update (I mean
unannounced on list). So I downloaded it and I was right. Earlier, I
had downloaded another copy of version 1.39 following the same
reasoning. I guess they were refreshing the folder or something,
 but the same version had two different dates.


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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Allie,

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:35:54  -0500 GMT (12.03.2000, 00:35 +0800 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:

AM> It's indeed reassuring to see the version number in the
AM> download. At least you may abort the download when you see that the
AM> version is not the desired one. Ritlabs policy here seems to be a two
AM> edged sword because of these mirror sites. We may know better but what
AM> of those who don't?

Q: Why would you download TB if you are already running it?
A: Because you know an update is available.
Q: Why would you download TB if you have already updated, thus
probably downloading the same version you have already on your machine?
A: I don't know.  ;-)

However, since the downloads are always either zip files (on the beta
site) or self-extracting exe's, it should in fact be no problem to
call the compressed file "tb141.exe", which extracts into thebat.exe
and some dll's. Or "bat141b5.zip". As a matter of fact, I always
rename the compressed files right after download and before
extracting.

Q: Why do I rename the file to show the version number, right after
download?
A: Because I keep the previous version (in compressed form) for a while
until I am sure the new version really causes no problems. :-)

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Allie Martin]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:20:34 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote:

> Yep, me too. I always grab the latest version from the RITLabs FTP, so
> I haven't run into this problem in a while. I didn't say it was right,
> only that I understood their reasons.

It's indeed reassuring to see the version number in the
download. At least you may abort the download when you see that the
version is not the desired one. Ritlabs policy here seems to be a two
edged sword because of these mirror sites. We may know better but what
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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Paula, 

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 at 10:42:42 [GMT -0500], you wrote:
PF> The problem with this logic is that mirror sites are often not up
PF> to date. You're never sure what version you are getting. I know
PF> I've downloaded and installed the same version as I currently have
PF> more than once.

Yep, me too. I always grab the latest version from the RITLabs FTP, so
I haven't run into this problem in a while. I didn't say it was right,
only that I understood their reasons.


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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Paula Ford]

On Saturday, March 11, 2000, Leif Gregory wrote:

> I once asked RITLabs why they insisted on keeping the the_bat.exe
> filename across different versions, and they said it was so that no
> matter what review you read, and no matter how old it was, you would
> always be pointed to the most current version of TB.

> I agree that it is confusing, but at the same time, I can really see
> where it helps RITLabs with new users.

The problem with this logic is that mirror sites are often not up to
date. You're never sure what version you are getting. I know I've
downloaded and installed the same version as I currently have more than
once.

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Nick, 

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 at 06:33:52 [GMT -0800], you wrote:
>> The file 'thebat.exe' is the main executable only. The file
>> the_bat.exe is the full install.

NA> It would have been far less confusing to name the full install
NA> tb1.41.exe for instance, and the executable could then retain the
NA> name thebat.exe I don't know about the others, but I found them to
NA> be confusing, listed as they were.

I once asked RITLabs why they insisted on keeping the the_bat.exe
filename across different versions, and they said it was so that no
matter what review you read, and no matter how old it was, you would
always be pointed to the most current version of TB.

I agree that it is confusing, but at the same time, I can really see
where it helps RITLabs with new users.



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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Nick Andriash]

On Saturday, March 11, 2000, 5:54:01 AM, Simon wrote:

> How-do-you-do Douglas,

> The file 'thebat.exe' is the main executable only. The file the_bat.exe is
> the full install.

It would have been far less confusing to name the full install tb1.41.exe
for instance, and the executable could then retain the name thebat.exe  I
don't know about the others, but I found them to be confusing, listed as
they were.


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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Simon]

How-do-you-do Douglas,

The file 'thebat.exe' is the main executable only. The file the_bat.exe is
the full install.

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Simon]

How-do-you-do,

Allie Martin posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] making the following comments:

AM> It was I who gave the ftp URL. I
AM> used it to download my copy which is in front of me now and is called
AM> the_bat.exe. I tried the URL and it works.

I also used the FTP URL you posted and the file 'the_bat.exe' arrived at my
desktop without problems.

Slán anois, 

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:13:03 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

DH>> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
>^^
DH>> "File not found" is what I'm getting.

> The file name is thebat.exe (unlike in the directory name, there is no
> underscore in the file name). I don't know how you ftp, but "ls -l"
> (without quote marks) helps you here.

Are you sure about the name. It was I who gave the ftp URL. I
used it to download my copy which is in front of me now and is called
the_bat.exe. I tried the URL and it works.

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Allie Martin]

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:42:08 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote:

> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe

> "File not found" is what I'm getting.

I just double checked it and it works.

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Re: TB! 1.41 download

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Douglas,

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:42:08 -0600 GMT (11.03.2000, 16:42 +0800 GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

DH> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe
   ^^
DH> "File not found" is what I'm getting.

The file name is thebat.exe (unlike in the directory name, there is no
underscore in the file name). I don't know how you ftp, but "ls -l"
(without quote marks) helps you here.

DH> ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta/thebat.zip

DH> This one does download.

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