Re: Word wrapping
Hi On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 5:05:03 PM, Martin wrote: SE When I'm using the message editor, I find that I have to keep on SE doing Utilities-Format Block-Left (or Alt-L) to keep my paragraphs SE correctly wrapped and justified. Is there any mode where word SE wrapping happens on an ongoing basis as happens in many word SE processors and text editors? MW What's your 'Wrap text to' option set to? (Options | Preferences | Editor MW preferences)... and what editor do you use? If you're using MicroEd MW there's another setting for 'Auto-wrap' that needs to be checked. Thanks for this. Auto Wrap is on, but Auto Format is off. The latter seems to be what I need. One minor irritation: Auto Format doesn't seem to understand the minus minus space .sig separator, and wraps the separator and following lines if you type on the blank line above the .sig separator. -- Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrapping
On Fri 11 June 2004, 19:47:48 +1000, Simon Elliott wrote: The latter seems to be what I need. One minor irritation: Auto Format doesn't seem to understand the minus minus space .sig separator, and wraps the separator and following lines if you type on the blank line above the .sig separator. AutoFormat doesn't recognise a paragraph break unless it contains _2_ newlines. So if you if you want a single newline, i.e. something like a line and another, then you need to turn AutoFormat off. CTRL-SHIFT-F will toggle AutoFormat on or off. The alternative is to leave AutoFormat off and use ALT-L (or ALT-C or ALT-J) to format the paragraph. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Simon, On 08 June 2004, 11:45 Simon Elliott [SE] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SE When I'm using the message editor, I find that I have to keep on SE doing Utilities-Format Block-Left (or Alt-L) to keep my paragraphs SE correctly wrapped and justified. Is there any mode where word SE wrapping happens on an ongoing basis as happens in many word SE processors and text editors? What's your 'Wrap text to' option set to? (Options | Preferences | Editor preferences)... and what editor do you use? If you're using MicroEd there's another setting for 'Auto-wrap' that needs to be checked. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.03 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMXjtDknq5PWREYNEQLzRACgti8O18TV+uZ2F2h5VjKuewDOWREAoPJc UpYWDQJz8T1+8GIgzAjtI9Ww =pnYu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dwight, @16 May 2002, 22:24:41 -0500 (04:24 UK time) Dwight A Corrin wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and use the tested proven recognized 'less than' to identify quoted material. Make that 'Greater than' and you've got a deal ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60k-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE843aMOeQkq5KdzaARAnXsAJ9n9idaDLTL5FoonE+eOBoxqTjzbACglfqb Vf+qkGeyoK8tJahhiTR5AAU= =hWSd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
Hello Robert, On Thursday, May 16, 2002 at 08:25:09 -0400, you wrote concerning 'Word Wrapping': ... There were *tails* of many sentences placed, one or two words, on an orphan line This is because you should disable the word wrapping in the PGP options. -- Best regards, David ** VirusScan: MS Windows found. Delete? (Y/y) ** [TB! 1.60i] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 5:39:42 AM PST, David van Zuijlekom wrote: This is because you should disable the word wrapping in the PGP options. Or just set PGP's wrap to a couple characters *greater than* TB!'s wrap setting. This is what I do, because in addition to using GnuPG with TB!, I use it with other message editors that don't properly wrap by themselves, so in those instances, I depend on the wrapping done by GnuPG. My TB! is set to wrap at 70 characters, and my GnuPG and PGP are set at 72. There are no conflicts with TB! at 70 characters, and I get GnuPG/PGP invoked wrapping at 72 characters when needed with other message editors. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAjzkIFQACgkQjVbXUvsE8umVdwCg5IH9JhBQX5HNLKe5+lPNAu+9 dFwAoMrYm3wsjc8Eh8DJue7JtcDPG1B7 =SZML -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikem [M] wrote: ... M Yes it is possible. The email client I use for my mailing lists M (Calypso) wraps locally without wrapping the outgoing message. I M was chastised for this very faux pas earlier today. Oddly, this is M the first mailing list that could not handle the messages. ;-( M Go figure. If you wish for your message to be compatible with everyone's screen and for reading comfort, you should set your wrapping and not leave your text to window wrap which is what is happening to your text on my screen. This is established netiquette for years. You can have a look at RFC 1855. Unlike on this list, many don't vocalise and just tolerate or ignore bad formatting. That's all. They just adhere to rule 10 here: http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html As a moderator, Marck was simply doing his duties by asking you to do something that will make your readers more comfortable. Formatting is very important, as much as content. It's not a good thing to wait for people to complain before thinking of doing things to prevent them from having to. I usually get comments from my peers on my formatting. They wish to know how I manage to so neatly format my messages. Go figure. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60k | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE84co0V8nrYCsHF+IRAr1HAJ95/x8655pV/hLfWBDRlCp/dCxGpQCfbhjb wacO4EOzJhX21cLPNBya3uk= =yqW4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 10:38 PM, you wrote: ACM This is established netiquette for years. You can have a look at RFC ACM 1855. ACM Unlike on this list, many don't vocalise and just tolerate or ignore ACM bad formatting. That's all. They just adhere to rule 10 here: ACM http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html I've been on the internet for over 15 years, never seen that list ! I just (re)looked in the welcome message for tbudl and didn't see a link to this, but I would think it would be a good idea on ANY list to read this. thanks, I'll try to keep this link handy! / Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPOJKJD3ZlJQqDEkFEQK/6gCgnYASXFDp0jXTS2LpMALdyeQOeE8An3ow xXfOMMeJt+XqXU55/M1wZ5eE =DgFJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
On 5/14/02 at 9:38 PM Allie C Martin wrote: |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | |Mikem [M] wrote: |... |M Yes it is possible. The email client I use for my mailing lists |M (Calypso) wraps locally without wrapping the outgoing message. I |M was chastised for this very faux pas earlier today. Oddly, this is |M the first mailing list that could not handle the messages. ;-( | |M Go figure. | |If you wish for your message to be compatible with everyone's screen |and for reading comfort, you should set your wrapping and not leave |your text to window wrap which is what is happening to your text on my |screen. Why not let the receiver decide what is appropriate for his or her screen, and do the wrapping on the receiving end accordingly. Why should I (or you) presume to know what is the best manner of display for the recipient of my email? Sometimes I like my screen to wrap narrowly (~40 characters or so) to work with other items on my screen. Yet messages that are wrapped at 65 or 72 characters look rather poor (hard-to-read) when displayed like that. Unwrapped messages look fine. |This is established netiquette for years. You can have a look at RFC |1855. That RFC says wrapping in email should be at column 65. Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line with a carriage return I see very few, if any, who do that here. |Unlike on this list, many don't vocalise and just tolerate or ignore |bad formatting. Or perhaps they have email clients that are more capable. It may be an error to presume that the problems you are having are experienced by users of other email clients. Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
Hello MikeM! On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 3:34:16 PM you wrote: Why not let the receiver decide what is appropriate for his or her screen, and do the wrapping on the receiving end accordingly. Why should I (or you) presume to know what is the best manner of display for the recipient of my email? Sometimes I like my screen to wrap narrowly (~40 characters or so) to work with other items on my screen. Yet messages that are wrapped at 65 or 72 characters look rather poor (hard-to-read) when displayed like that. Unwrapped messages look fine. Because it isn't actually the receiving end that is deciding. E-mail is sent with hard returns at the end of a line. Only thing is, OE/OL and some other clients don't show them *before* sending. TB! does because it uses a true WYSIWYG editor. Every client I know has a wrap setting. I see very few, if any, who do that here. What kind of argument is that? Reminds me of the new German way to establish what is ethical and what not - give the problem in question to a committee and they should vote on it. After that it goes into parliament, where again a vote is cast. In the end it is a more or less capable majority defining what is right or wrong. Stupid ... Or perhaps they have email clients that are more capable. It may be an error to presume that the problems you are having are experienced by users of other email clients. Whatever, isn't it easier to conform to such modest requests? As we have all seen the more capable clients' messages, we might conclude that they are *not* more capable. BTW, TB! wraps so good that one doesn't even need the special setting in PGP, which was introduced because of the more capable apps. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60j on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C The most powerful strategy in life is tit-for-tat. None other is as successful. (Derek Leveret) Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
Hello MikeM, On Wednesday, May 15, 2002 at 09:34:16 -0400, you wrote concerning 'Word Wrapping': ... Unwrapped messages look fine. I don't think so. I always read my messages in maximised view and I find it very hard to follow unwrapped messages like your messages. More then once I skip those messages because they are so unreadable. -- Best regards, David ** Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. ** [TB! 1.60i] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Van Zuijlekom [DVZ] wrote: ... DVZ I don't think so. I always read my messages in maximised view and DVZ I find it very hard to follow unwrapped messages like your DVZ messages. More then once I skip those messages because they are DVZ so unreadable. I've been reading them myself simply because I have to as a moderator. :-( Guidelines for formatting come through years of experience. You'll never please everyone so the next best shot is to please as many people as you can. The other thing is that what sounds nice doesn't necessary turn out to be so when tested in the real world. If one wishes to make as many people as possible read their messages with no hassle, then wrap the lines and at a reasonable length. Tried, tested and proven. There's really no need to re-invent the wheel here. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60k | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE84xvCV8nrYCsHF+IRAjLgAJ0XLvBk9xYzYuJHlj6L1Q5hIRlV+wCcDo1S eiYwzdS5ROAcHAxGRlmdQmA= =sTKm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:38:57 PM, Allie C Martin wrote: If one wishes to make as many people as possible read their messages with no hassle, then wrap the lines and at a reasonable length. Tried, tested and proven. and use the tested proven recognized 'less than' to identify quoted material. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 0:28 op woensdag 15 mei 2002, Mike Dillinger: I'd like to be able to word wrap locally, but not wrap the message, if that makes sense. So for instance, when I send a message out, I don't want the recipients to receive it word wrapped (that allows their e-mail client to do what they want with the message), but for neatness purposes on my end, I'd like to word wrap here. Hopefully this makes sense. Is this possible? I can only see either word wrapping everything or nothing. no. WYSIWYMO, what you see is what you mail out. tell your recipients to upgrade to a better mail-client :) M. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPOGDUUtQMadp+KslEQJ6IQCfSJW+CHrlnpc/cmAVmLO03DR9dK8AoJ3C e4+1+tNKP14cnmds8IAcOPUO =pYUG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
On 5/14/2002 at 3:28 PM Mike Dillinger wrote: |I'd like to be able to word wrap locally, but not wrap the message, if |that makes sense. [snip] | |Is this possible? I can only see either word wrapping everything or |nothing. = Yes it is possible. The email client I use for my mailing lists (Calypso) wraps locally without wrapping the outgoing message. I was chastised for this very faux pas earlier today. Oddly, this is the first mailing list that could not handle the messages. ;-( Go figure. Current Ver: 1.60k FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:45:22 +0800, Thomas Fernandez graced us with these comments: TF Thanks, now I looked in the print setup. Margins are at 25.3974 mm TF (this number is the default!) and the fonts are for text: Courier New, TF 10 points. Same for me. TF For the display (editor), I use a margin of 70 characters and also a TF font of Courier New at 10 points (no comments about taste, please: I TF like Coruier New much more than Andale Mono). How can you use Courier??!! vbg TF So, now I have to calculate how many millimeters 70 characters need in TF order to make the hardcopies look like the emails on screen, or how to TF I synch this? Your documents should print fine unless you have quoted material that is wrapping beyond your 70 characters. TF Next question: May this be another UI issue? This is an issue with printing anywhere. The only way out of this is to make the viewers margins mirror that of your print settings . or print preview support. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'Procrastination Day Has Been Postponed!' __ TB! v1.48 Beta/8 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOh0bm/AXeSHuB5k3EQJWugCfXdvRFMDnTcPrAOCMgKOt8wuB5nwAnAhf VEujPfMrMd109aSzh/CoYb+F =H5e4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
Hallo Allie, On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:28:58 -0500 GMT (23/11/2000, 21:28 +0800 GMT), A . Curtis Martin wrote: TF (no comments about taste, please: I like Coruier New much more TF than Andale Mono). ACM How can you use Courier??!! vbg Did I say "no comments"? g TF So, now I have to calculate how many millimeters 70 characters need in TF order to make the hardcopies look like the emails on screen, or how to TF I synch this? ACM Your documents should print fine unless you have quoted material that is ACM wrapping beyond your 70 characters. Thanks. I have quoted material, as incoming messages are written with Outlook, and yes, these parts are usually the ones looking funny when printing. However, they look OK on screen. I want them to look on paper as they look on screen. WYSIWYG being the keyword. ACM The only way out of this is to make the viewers margins mirror ACM that of your print settings . You forgot to tell me how to convert number of characters into millimeters. ;-) ACM or print preview support. while this seems a good idea, I don't know how it would help in this case. If I *know* it wouldn't print right, what would I do? -- Cheers, Thomas. -I want to live forever or die in the attempt. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:08:44 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote these comments: ACM How can you use Courier??!! vbg TF Did I say "no comments"? g Just being a nag. :=) ACM Your documents should print fine unless you have quoted material that is ACM wrapping beyond your 70 characters. TF Thanks. I have quoted material, as incoming messages are written with TF Outlook, and yes, these parts are usually the ones looking funny when TF printing. However, they look OK on screen. I want them to look on TF paper as they look on screen. WYSIWYG being the keyword. That's because the message viewer window wraps or its width spans more than 70 characters. My message viewer is now over 90 characters wide. A 90 character line will therefore not wrap when looked at in the viewer but will be wrapped when printed. ACM The only way out of this is to make the viewers margins mirror ACM that of your print settings . TF You forgot to tell me how to convert number of characters into TF millimeters. ;-) You know what I mean. :=) Test your system. See how many characters you can print per line. Adjust your viewer to that character number width. You can't really do anything about this anyway. If the lines are too long they have to be wrapped to be printed. TF while this seems a good idea, I don't know how it would help in this TF case. If I *know* it wouldn't print right, what would I do? Exactly. :=) The only solution would be to reformat the message manually. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'Trust me, I'm a lawyer..' __ TB! v1.48 Beta/8 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOh0sW/AXeSHuB5k3EQJ8KgCfVGY2n8/YU6ged8F0RVton+p/SSQAniss zIJb/HIh/Iv7BkcBercfHD+e =3NpB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
On Thursday, November 23, 2000, 6:08:44 AM, Thomas wrote: TF (no comments about taste, please: I like Coruier New much more TF than Andale Mono). ACM How can you use Courier??!! vbg Did I say "no comments"? g OT I downloaded Andale Mono after it had been touted several times on the list, just out of curiosity (I had been content with Courier New for years). I installed it, and found it to be pretty ugly. I do like the idea of being able to distinguish better between 0 and O, and 1 and l. Since it's the only alternative mono fonts on my system (with a slow system, I'm not into collecting many fonts), I decided to try it anyway. Yet I kept thinking: how can people be serious about this being better looking than Courier New? Guess what? Weeks later, it now looks perfectly fine to me. Courier or Courier New is still the font I use with my other software (editor, word processor, etc.), but I no longer feel Andale Mono objectionable. I guess habits sometimes do change one's taste. :) Thanks. I have quoted material, as incoming messages are written with Outlook, and yes, these parts are usually the ones looking funny when printing. However, they look OK on screen. I want them to look on paper as they look on screen. WYSIWYG being the keyword. I guess you use A4 size paper, right (unless you work for an American company)? So its width is around 8.27 inch. Taking away about 1 in each side, and you've about 6.27 in to print on. Basically the size of mono fonts can be calculated as the following: 10 points = 12 cpi (characters per inch) 12 points = 10 cpi So if you 12 point font, you can print about 62 characters on a line. (Give or take one character depending on the printer, driver, software, and font of choice.) ACM or print preview support. while this seems a good idea, I don't know how it would help in this case. If I *know* it wouldn't print right, what would I do? Shrink the margin a little (check the manual of your printer to find out what the minimum margins are, but it's usually safe to use 1 cm or even less), use smaller fonts, print on larger paper, or use landscape printing. :) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
Hallo Ming-Li, On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:43:45 -0800 GMT (23/11/2000, 23:43 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML OT I downloaded Andale Mono after it had been touted several times ML on the list, just out of curiosity (I had been content with Courier ML New for years). I installed it, and found it to be pretty ugly. Somebody out there understands me! sigh of relief ML Guess what? Weeks later, it now looks perfectly fine to me. You started out so excellent. And now this? g ML I guess you use A4 size paper, right (unless you work for an ML American company)? Of course not - a German company. BTW all standards starting with DIN, such as DIN-A4, come from Grmany (DIN standing for: Deutsche Industrie Normung), did you know that? ML So its width is around 8.27 inch. OT: I do believe the paper sizes are in centimeters, though. With this, I'm of course starting the old discussion about the imperial systems versus the modern metric system. The old system is still used in USA, Bangla Desh, and Nigeria. No wait: Nigeria just changed to the metric system. Do you see a chance the USA will catch up with the world sometime? ;-) ML Taking away about 1 in each side, and you've about 6.27 in to ML print on. Basically the size of mono fonts can be calculated as ML the following: ML 10 points = 12 cpi (characters per inch) ML 12 points = 10 cpi Thanks! This is what I was looking for. ML So if you 12 point font, you can print about 62 characters on a ML line. (Give or take one character depending on the printer, driver, ML software, and font of choice.) I get it. When I set my viewer preferences to 62 characters, I will see what will be printed. ML Shrink the margin a little (check the manual of your printer to find ML out what the minimum margins are, but it's usually safe to use 1 cm ML or even less), use smaller fonts, print on larger paper, or use ML landscape printing. :) Since I will have a problem printing all over the landscape, being on the 9th floor and all, I will go for the smaller fonts instead. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. "When they broke open molecules, they found they were only stuffed with atoms. But when they broke open atoms, they found them stuffed with explosions." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping (OT)
Hello Thomas, (TF == "Thomas Fernandez") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ML OT I downloaded Andale Mono after it had been touted several times ML on the list, just out of curiosity (I had been content with Courier ML New for years). I installed it, and found it to be pretty ugly. TF Somebody out there understands me! sigh of relief ML Guess what? Weeks later, it now looks perfectly fine to me. TF You started out so excellent. And now this? g FWIW, I use 10pt Andale Mono in the editor window. ;-) Any size smaller *is* pretty ugly. I use 10pt Courier New for programming and all other fixed-width needs. -Brian (Proud Member of The Ugly Type-Face Club) -- There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping (OT)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On November 23, 2000, at 10:30:50 AM, Brian Clark Wrote: BC FWIW, I use 10pt Andale Mono in the editor window. ;-) Any size BC smaller *is* pretty ugly. I much prefer Lucida Sans Typewriter, because as some of us get older, our vision isn't what it used to be, and we need the bolder fonts. ;o) Anyone interested, can write me and I will send you a small screen shot of what it looks like. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.48 Beta 8 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA+AwUBOh1k/8UChHR7o/3OEQI+WQCYj8yIoWQkxBBzi/HwSS8WQ8zESQCglTJM Y84pMBL0xp7Yf1pbIzhpWHI= =aiq1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
On Thursday, November 23, 2000, 10:16:34 AM, Thomas wrote: ML I guess you use A4 size paper, right (unless you work for an ML American company)? Of course not - a German company. BTW all standards starting with DIN, such as DIN-A4, come from Grmany (DIN standing for: Deutsche Industrie Normung), did you know that? Nope! I do vaguely remember seeing DIN somewhere, but never knew what it meant. BTW, after 4+ years in the U.S., I still prefer A4 over letter size paper. 6 mm narrower and 5 mm longer, A4 simply looks better IMO. But in the U.S., one can't find A4 size paper in any regular store, and of course I can't use it in any occasion outside of my own house. ML So its width is around 8.27 inch. OT: I do believe the paper sizes are in centimeters, though. I know. I should say it's 210 mm * 297 mm. :) I converted it into inch just to go with the cpi calculation. Again, after all these years, I still have a hard time imagining, e.g., how tall a 5'9" person is, or how hot 87 degree Fahrenheit is, before converting the figure to cm or centigrade. I'm getting better--sometimes the conversion is done subconsciously or even unnecessary--but they're still not natural to me. With this, I'm of course starting the old discussion about the imperial systems versus the modern metric system. The old system is still used in USA, Bangla Desh, and Nigeria. You mean U.K. has given up on the old system? I didn't know that. No wait: Nigeria just changed to the metric system. Do you see a chance the USA will catch up with the world sometime? ;-) Absolutely not, I'm afraid. :( -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
Hello Allie, (I've moved this to TBUDL, as it is not a beta issue). On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:48:07 -0500GMT (23/11/2000, 03:48 +0800GMT), A . Curtis Martin wrote: TF In addition, has anybody noticed that the wrapping when printing a TF message seems to be different again? Looks OK on screen, and then TF you print, and it is wrapped differently. :-( ACM Well, the printing will be done within the margins specified. If the ACM text has lines that exceed the margins, they'll either not be fully ACM printed or wrapped. This does make sense (even though not all programs work like this), but why are the margins on printing smaller than on screen, even though the paper is wide enough? Am I missing a menu item where I can adjust this? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 November, 2000, 12:39 AM, I saw Thomas's comments made on Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:26:13 +0800, and thought I'd add my $0.02 worth: ACM Well, the printing will be done within the margins specified. If the ACM text has lines that exceed the margins, they'll either not be fully ACM printed or wrapped. TF This does make sense (even though not all programs work like this), TF but why are the margins on printing smaller than on screen, even TF though the paper is wide enough? Am I missing a menu item where I TF can adjust this? The fonts used to print are different and most likely larger than what you use on screen. You can customise the fonts and print margins via 'print setup'. - -- @~@@~@ | A. Curtis Martin [List Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA] | | PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey | @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ 'Patience is a virtue, it's just not one of my better virtues' __ TB! v1.48 Beta/8 | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOhyt7PAXeSHuB5k3EQKQSwCfffM/etulQuMkmnnIKQ+wGKTQEzAAnR2S 7xQ8h8JSarIM6AKNQxykXOxz =LCJ9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word Wrapping
Hi Allie, On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:41:00 -0500GMT (23/11/2000, 13:41 +0800GMT), A . Curtis Martin wrote: ACM The fonts used to print are different and most likely larger than what ACM you use on screen. You can customise the fonts and print margins via ACM 'print setup'. Thanks, now I looked in the print setup. Margins are at 25.3974 mm (this number is the default!) and the fonts are for text: Courier New, 10 points. For the display (editor), I use a margin of 70 characters and also a font of Courier New at 10 points (no comments about taste, please: I like Coruier New much more than Andale Mono). So, now I have to calculate how many millimeters 70 characters need in order to make the hardcopies look like the emails on screen, or how to I synch this? Next question: May this be another UI issue? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.47 Halloween Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word wrapping
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:38:11 +, John Rainer wrote: I've been using The Bat now for several weeks and been generally very pleased with it. The only feature that I find a bit frustrating compared to other mail clients that I've used is word wrapping. Apart from pasted material not wrapping (which is not unusual in other programs, admittedly) the main problem I have is in editing what I've already typed - unless I enter considerably more text than the wrapping length to an edited line, it doesn't wrap in composition and I end up having to repeatedly hit the return key to shuffle lines about as the effects of extra text cascades down the screen. Using the auto-format feature activated through the 'editor preferences' will reformat text as you type. It's however a bit quirky and if it does unorthodox things while you're typing, don't worry, it's not you. Use the alt-backspace combo. It will undo any unwelcome sudden things that happen to your text. :)) You'll see what I mean. Another way to reformat text that you've typed is to place the cursor in the paragraph in question and hit alt+l. This will work only with keyboard placement of the cursor in that if you place the cursor in the text with the mouse, you'll need to hit one of the arrow keys before hitting alt+l which rewraps the text to the left margin or alt+j which justifies the text. If I turn wrapping off, rather than wrap to the window, everything appears as one long line of text. I know it wraps on sending but it all seems a bit primitive on composition. TB!'s editor is a WYSIWYG editor in the true sense of the word. It does NOT wrap text on sending. It sends it just as you see it before sending. Most recipient e-mail apps including TB! will wrap long lines in the message viewer. Do things improve in v2 or have I just missed a setting somewhere? Try what I outlined above and you will be able to have FULL control over the formatting of the text you send. The editor takes some getting used to but it indeed provides a level of control not seen in other e-mail editors. -- © Allie »» Running The Bat! v1.42 Beta/4 on Win2k Pro «« .. ** Oxymoron: Shooting blanks. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Word wrapping
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:07:52 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote: [ ... ] I find it somewhat frustrating at times too, but in the end it's better than the-MUA-I'd-go-back-to-in-a-second-if-it-did-multiple- email-accounts (aka Agent)'s handling where unquoted text ALWAYS wraps to the specified line length. The solution is to highlight the paragraph in question and hit Alt-L. This fixes a lot of things. You don't have to actually highlight the paragraph. Just hit alt+L while typing or move the cursor to the paragraph in question and hit alt+l. Now for some reason, using the mouse to position the cursor make alt+l not work so if you position with the mouse, just hit an arrow key to move the cursor with the keyboard and then use the shortcut. A lot of people (myself included) want or even need the capability of breaking the specified line length, for example when pasting in source code. Other times there might be a reason to have formatting that's simply a little different in one part of a message than another. It is for this reason I believe that they don't reformat on insertions, you've got to do it manually. Exactly. Full control at all times. Heck, you might even try just hitting Alt-L in the paragraph you want reformatted without selecting the block first; it might work. ;) Yes it does. See above. :) You'll also find that this function works beautifully with quoted text: This is a fabulous feature. -- © Allie »» Running The Bat! v1.42 Beta/5 on Win2k Pro «« .. ** Spell chequers dew knot work write. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
