Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
* George Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Mark Partous wrote:
[ User-Agent string ]
Why should it not be allowed?
[...]
I'm having a hard time finding an RFC that covers this. The best I've
come up with is a draft RFC for News articles:
It's RFC 2616.
,
| 14.43 User-Agent
| [...]
|User-Agent = User-Agent : 1*( product | comment )
|
| 3.8 Product Tokens
| [...]
|product = token [/ product-version]
|product-version = token
|
| 2.2 Basic Rules
| [...]
|token = 1*any CHAR except CTLs or separators
|separators = ( | ) | | | @
| | , | ; | : | \ |
| | / | [ | ] | ? | =
| | { | } | SP | HT
|
|comment= ( *( ctext | quoted-pair | comment ) )
|ctext = any TEXT excluding ( and )
|
|quoted-pair= \ CHAR
|
|CHAR = any US-ASCII character (octets 0 - 127)
|CTL= any US-ASCII control character
| (octets 0 - 31) and DEL (127)
|CR = US-ASCII CR, carriage return (13)
|LF = US-ASCII LF, linefeed (10)
|SP = US-ASCII SP, space (32)
|HT = US-ASCII HT, horizontal-tab (9)
|
|CRLF = CR LF
|
|LWS= [CRLF] 1*( SP | HT )
|
|TEXT = any OCTET except CTLs,
| but including LWS
`
So, it seems like s and spaces are not allowed for the product
string. Unfortunately The Bat! contains a space.
User-Agent: TheBat!/2.01.49 (The Bat! (v2.01.49) Business)
Carsten
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Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hi Carsten,
on Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:58:51 +0100GMT (22.11.03, 19:58 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
CT %SetHeader('User-Agent', 'The Bat!/%TheBatVersion (Business)')
I think I got it right now. *S*
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Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
-- Saturday, November 22, 2003, 10:48:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, November 22, 2003 @ 5:20:23 AM [-0700], Carsten Thönges wrote: Both X-Mailer and User-Agent are used to identify the software responsible for sending (at least The Bat! looks at both headers). So why not suppress the standard X-Mailer, define a User-Agent header and fill it with whatever you like? Wouldn't this make TB an attractive tool to spammers? I don't mind the suppression part, but the ability to make it look like it came from any other mail client would be troublesome. Umm, spammers don't want to use The Bat!, they have plenty of tools for sending spam, and most definitely have been modifying headers for longer than The Bat has existed. I use X-Ray -and- I am a registered user with a business license. If I had a year to spare, I'd write my own e-mail client. However, since I don't, I too would like to see these types of features. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Carsten, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:20:23 +0100 GMT (22/11/2003, 20:20 +0700 GMT), Carsten Thönges wrote: Just a tiny idea I'd like to share ... A number of users wish to modify The Bat!'s X-Mailer header. This isn't possible without third party software like X-Ray. Both X-Mailer and User-Agent are used to identify the software responsible for sending (at least The Bat! looks at both headers). So why not suppress the standard X-Mailer, define a User-Agent header and fill it with whatever you like? So there's no need for X-Ray :-) PS A correct (conform with RFCs) User-Agent header looks like mine ;-) i. e. User-Agent: Software/Version (Comment) Carsten -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Life is an endless struggle full of frustrations and challenges, but eventually you find a hair stylist you like. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Carsten, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:20:23 +0100 GMT (22/11/2003, 20:20 +0700 GMT), Carsten Thönges wrote: So why not suppress the standard X-Mailer, Options / Preferences / General / untick X-Mailer... define a User-Agent header Options / Preferences / Message Headers / Add... and fill it with whatever you like? I forgot where to do this, but I tested it before and it worked. The help file isn't updated for this, it seems. So there's no need for X-Ray :-) There isn't. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Junk is something you've kept for years and throw away three weeks before you need it. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Carsten, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:20:23 +0100 your time, you said: CT So there's no need for X-Ray :-) That would be nice. But you'd lose the other functionality available with X-Ray. X-Ray performs filtering on both SMTP and POP3, which can be very useful. And you aren't just restricted to X-Mailer: headers either. I'd like to see something like X-Ray as a plugin for TB! I don't know whether that is possible, given the nature of the software, but there ya go. - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #651. Square Wold Irs My ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP79wspJmyHDfgGLBEQInKQCg3LyhQKGP/CYnlBomGCm22wtucUYAoNXZ NbSmaCV1wWnb+pKt5WF0fogS =Vrd+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Options / Preferences / General / untick X-Mailer... Funny - that option is not present in my version (2.01). Why is that? -- St Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
On Saturday, November 22, 2003 @ 5:20:23 AM [-0700], Carsten Thönges wrote: Both X-Mailer and User-Agent are used to identify the software responsible for sending (at least The Bat! looks at both headers). So why not suppress the standard X-Mailer, define a User-Agent header and fill it with whatever you like? Wouldn't this make TB an attractive tool to spammers? I don't mind the suppression part, but the ability to make it look like it came from any other mail client would be troublesome. -- Matt Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello St, Saturday, November 22, 2003, 7:45:00 AM, you wrote: Options / Preferences / General / untick X-Mailer... SMN Funny - that option is not present in my version (2.01). SMN Why is that? I think that option was only added in a more recent release. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BayesIt! 0.4gm Using The Bat! 2.01.3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A pgp key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello St, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 4:45:00 PM, you wrote: Options / Preferences / General / untick X-Mailer... Funny - that option is not present in my version (2.01). Why is that? New option in 2.01.3 -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Matt, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:48:12 -0800 (11:48 AM here), Matt Thoene [MT] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MT Wouldn't this make TB an attractive tool to spammers? I don't mind MT the suppression part, but the ability to make it look like it came MT from any other mail client would be troublesome. I believe that the spammers already have this capability. The majority of the spam I receive claims to be generated with Outlook or Outlook Express. Perhaps they prefer an email client more HTML oriented. As The Bat! is already considered by some as a spammer's tool (url below) I really don't think that it makes a difference. I just wonder why Outlook or OE isn't considered in the same category. In any event, filtering spam based on x-mailer or user-agent headers isn't an effective way to combat spam. Perhaps if more email clients allowed x-mailer adjustments this ridiculous banning based solely on email client used would be eliminated. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/spammer.html - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.49 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/v5okRbTFvUNHmLkRAn96AKCtb4eIYvfsAiZ8tjOzxHRZrrmpLgCg0Her X33QfXvGpWgMNuJt0DEJrtc= =hvow -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Thomas, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 2:37:41 PM, you wrote: So why not suppress the standard X-Mailer, Options / Preferences / General / untick X-Mailer... define a User-Agent header Options / Preferences / Message Headers / Add... and fill it with whatever you like? I forgot where to do this, but I tested it before and it worked. The help file isn't updated for this, it seems. Ok, I've added User-Agent as header field But when sending it does not show. It only shows when I enter a name behind it by leaving it edible. But then I have to enter it every time. The macro that stands above the Headers %HDRnnn does not work because it breaks it off at the - So %HDRUser-Agent=Ritlabs does not work and leaves -Agent+Ritlabs in my mail. How should I do it? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 If I follow you home will you keep me? To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hallo Edgar, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:40:49 +0100GMT (22-11-03, 18:40 +0100, where I live), you wrote: E Ok, I've added User-Agent as header field E The macro that stands above the Headers %HDRnnn does not work Use %SetHeader(User-Agent,Ritlabs) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Roelof, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 7:03:26 PM, you wrote: Hallo Edgar, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:40:49 +0100GMT (22-11-03, 18:40 +0100, where I live), you wrote: E Ok, I've added User-Agent as header field E The macro that stands above the Headers %HDRnnn does not work Use %SetHeader(User-Agent,Ritlabs) I've done the following: Added User-Agent RFC822=User-Agent all checkboxes are empty (all are No) Added in the template: %SetHeader(User-Agent,De Vleermuis!/2.01.3 (Ritlabs)) Still does not show it. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. -Oscar Wild- To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Jurgen, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 8:05:31 PM, you wrote: Hello Edgar, Saturday, November 22, 2003, 7:43:25 PM, you wrote: E Ok, I've added User-Agent as header field E The macro that stands above the Headers %HDRnnn does not work Use %SetHeader(User-Agent,Ritlabs) Added in the template: %SetHeader(User-Agent,De Vleermuis!/2.01.3 (Ritlabs)) Still does not show it. I got this to work, AFTER I removed the minus from it, with User-Agent it did not work HDRUserAgent=Die Fledermaus Is UserAgent a good header for this (instead of x-mail)? Should the - not be there, so TB and other programs look at it and show it? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Another brilliant mind ruined by higher education. To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
* Edgar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[ User-Agent header ]
So %HDRUser-Agent=Ritlabs does not work and leaves
-Agent+Ritlabs in my mail.
%SetHeader('User-Agent', 'The Bat!/%TheBatVersion (Business)')
hth, Carsten
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Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Roelof, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, 7:03:26 PM, you wrote: E Ok, I've added User-Agent as header field E The macro that stands above the Headers %HDRnnn does not work Use %SetHeader(User-Agent,Ritlabs) This only works if you select also the: allow field to be edit with editor when you create the header. Other wise it won't show. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Egotist: a person more interested in himself than in me. (Ambrose Bierce) To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Edgar, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:05:02 +0100 GMT (23/11/2003, 00:05 +0700 GMT), Edgar wrote: Options / Preferences / General / untick X-Mailer... Funny - that option is not present in my version (2.01). Why is that? New option in 2.01.3 According to the list footer that is current version. But then, I am not really sure whether 2.01.7 is the current version... I am using 2.01.26, which is definitely a beta. They should go back to calling the beta versions beta, IMHO. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be President, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process. (John F. Kennedy) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Hello Mark, On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:19:57 +0100 GMT (23/11/2003, 02:19 +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: RO Use %SetHeader(User-Agent,Ritlabs) Resulting in something like the above? Is this allowed? Why should it not be allowed? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich nur darf, wenn ich soll, aber nie kann, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch nicht, wenn ich muss. Wenn ich aber darf, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch, wenn ich soll und dann kann ich auch, wenn ich muss. Denn schliesslich: Die, die koennen sollen, muessen wollen duerfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Mailer and User-Agent
Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 20:19:57 +0100 GMT (23/11/2003, 02:19 +0700 GMT), Mark Partous wrote: Resulting in something like the above? Is this allowed? Why should it not be allowed? Assuming Mark was referring to his User-Agent header, which was: User-Agent: Ritlabs' De Vleermuis 2.01.26 Business Edition Carsten mentioned in the root of this thread: ,- [ mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] | A correct (conform with RFCs) User-Agent header looks like mine ;-) | i. e. User-Agent: Software/Version (Comment) `- I'm having a hard time finding an RFC that covers this. The best I've come up with is a draft RFC for News articles: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-article-11.txt The definition of the User-Agent field (section 6.18) seems to exclude the use of whitespace (among other things, including double-quotes) within a product name and would have the product version follow a /. The atoms are defined in Appendix B.1. Anyone know of a more authoritative source for the proper use of the User-Agent header in mail or news? -- George Using TB! 2.01.49 on Windows XP Pro 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 1. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
