Re: some questions

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 at 4:48:24 PM, in
, Luc wrote:

>  When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
>  another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder.

I never noticed that before.

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Re: some questions

[Luc]

Good evening Volker,  
  
It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 22:42:23 GMT+0100 (which was
18:42:23 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write:



VA>  Now I get you.

Yeah, i thought that i didn't make myself clear (happens a lot, don't
worry about it lol)

VA>  No, I don't think that you can change the colors.
VA> Is it worth it to file a wish?

Oh no, it's not a big deal... but i thought it was possible in
previous versions of TB! but maybe i'm wrong (also happens a lot ;-) )
 
 
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Re: some questions

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-18 · 22:25 h (CET)]

Moin, Luc!

> VA> In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text

> Ah right, but that means that the preview disappears. I was wondering
> if there was a way to keep the preview but alter the background
> (colour and text colour).

OIC – Now I get you. No, I don't think that you can change the colors.
I was searching for a way, but found none.

Is it worth it to file a wish?

Cheers!
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Re: some questions

[Luc]

Good evening Volker,  
  
It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 18:00:05 GMT+0100 (which was
14:00:05 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write:



VA> In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text

Ah right, but that means that the preview disappears. I was wondering
if there was a way to keep the preview but alter the background
(colour and text colour).
 
 
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Re: some questions

[Rick Grunwald]

>>  Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
>>  another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a
>>  way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for
>>  that?

> AFAIK there is no option to keep the "Parked" status. Maybe a filter
> could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you
> should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from accidentally
deleting or moving it. I would think the work around would be to
unpark it.

You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked
message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed
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Re: some questions

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-18 · 17:48 h (CET)]

Moin, Luc!

>  Q1: when i reply to a message, the message that i reply to is shown
>  with a white background in the preview... where can i change that? I
>  thought somewhere in the editor settings but i just can't seem to
>  recall it.

In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text

>  Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to
>  another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a
>  way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for
>  that?

AFAIK there is no option to keep the "Parked" status. Maybe a filter
could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you
should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

Cheers!
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Re: Some questions

[Robin Anson]

On Wed 14 July 2004, 18:11:44 +1000, Jakub Moycho wrote:
> In that situation, don't you think, that the description "Use for New
> messages/Mass  mailing" is a little confusing? Precisely phrase: "New
> messages"?

Well, it refers to the menu option in the address book
   File->New message using template
   
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Re: Some questions

[Jakub Moycho]

Hello Robin!

On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 (9:04:33 AM) You wrote:

> Because that menu item shows ALL your QTs
Thanks.

In that situation, don't you think, that the description "Use for New
messages/Mass  mailing" is a little confusing? Precisely phrase: "New
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Re: Some questions

[Robin Anson]

On Wed 14 July 2004, 15:38:03 +1000, Jakub Moycho wrote:
>> I  have  some  quick  templates  under  account.  Some  of  them have
>> unchecked  option  "Use  for New messages/Mass mailing" but are still
>> visible  in  "Utilities"  | "Insert Quick templates" submenu of "Edit
>> Mail Message" editor, why?

Because that menu item shows ALL your QTs

>> In  mass  mailing  submenu  (address  book)  the are not visible - as
>> expected.
> Now, I'm using the latest stable version :)
> But symptoms the are still the same :/

The behaviour is as it is supposed to be (as far as I know!).

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Re: Some questions

[Jakub Moycho]

Hello all!

On Saturday, July 10, 2004 (11:11:13 PM) I wrote:

> [2.]
> I  have  some  quick  templates  under  account.  Some  of  them have
> unchecked  option  "Use  for New messages/Mass mailing" but are still
> visible  in  "Utilities"  | "Insert Quick templates" submenu of "Edit
> Mail Message" editor, why?

> In  mass  mailing  submenu  (address  book)  the are not visible - as
> expected.
Now, I'm using the latest stable version :)
But symptoms the are still the same :/

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Re: Some questions

[MAU]

Hello Jakub,

> The Bat! 2.12 RC/3

That is still a Beta version. Post your queries in TBbeta.

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Re: Some questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello,


On  Wednesday, August 02, 2000  at  19:12:04 GMT -0700 (which was 7:12 PM
where I live ) I typed:

>  However, there is one other option.  Create a dummy account and
>  folder, and back them up.  Then when you need a new folder in TB,
>  move the dummy folder using TB.  Then restore the dummy folder from
>  your backup in Windows Explorer.  With a self-extracting ZIP or a
>  batch file, this can be made fairly simple.

 I haven't worked the solution for this part out yet, so this is just
a warning.  Note that if you use this method to create new accounts,
then you *must* rename the account folder in Windows Explorer.  When
you rename accounts in TB, the corresponding changes are *not* made
in the folder structure.  In case this isn't clear, suppose I have an
account in TB called JA with folders,

 JA
   |_ A
   |
   |_ B
   |_B1

Then in Windows Explorer, my mail directory would contain folders,

 Mail
|_ JA
 |_ A
 |
 |_ B
 |_B1

In TB I can rename my account to Januk.  In Windows Explorer, I would
still see

 Mail
|_ JA
 |_ A
 |
 |_ B
 |_B1
 
So restoring the dummy account from a batch file would destroy a new
account, if the new account was created by renaming a dummy account.

Is this almost as clear as mud now?  


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Re: Some questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marck,


On  Wednesday, August 02, 2000  at  13:46:59 GMT +0100 (which was 5:46 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> That's  exactly  what I thought but haven't had the time to check out.
> Thanks  for  doing  that  Ming-Li. It *was* a good idea if it had been
> workable :-).

 Well that also explains why it was quirky for me.  I have my accounts
 setup to be pretty much identical, so I didn't notice this pitfall.
 However, there is one other option.  Create a dummy account and
 folder, and back them up.  Then when you need a new folder in TB,
 move the dummy folder using TB.  Then restore the dummy folder from
 your backup in Windows Explorer.  With a self-extracting ZIP or a
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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Ming-Li,

On 02 August 2000 at 05:31:41 GMT -0700 (which was 13:31 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

JA>>>  Just  an  offbeat  idea,  but  it  may  be useful if you create
JA>>>  folders  often  enough. What if you created a dummy folder with
JA>>>  all  the  settings  the way you like them. Then when you need a
JA>>>  new  folder, you could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the
JA>>>  appropriate  spot in your folder hierarchy. It was a bit quirky
JA>>>  when  I  tried  it,  but  it may be worthwhile depending on the
JA>>>  complexity of your setup.

>> That could work quite well.

ML> That's what I thought as well. But it doesn't work. Most, if not
ML> all, folder properties (including templates) are stored in
ML> "ACCOUNT.FLX" in each account's home directory. Copying directory
ML> in Explorer could copy only the message base and index, which is
ML> not what we want.

That's  exactly  what I thought but haven't had the time to check out.
Thanks  for  doing  that  Ming-Li. It *was* a good idea if it had been
workable :-).

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Re: Some questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck,

JA>>  Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create
JA>>  folders often enough.  What if you created a dummy folder with
JA>>  all the settings the way you like them.  Then when you need a
JA>>  new folder, you could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the
JA>>  appropriate spot in your folder hierarchy.  It was a bit
JA>>  quirky when I tried it, but it may be worthwhile depending on
JA>>  the complexity of your setup.

> That could work quite well.

That's what I thought as well. But it doesn't work. Most, if not
all, folder properties (including templates) are stored in
"ACCOUNT.FLX" in each account's home directory. Copying directory in
Explorer could copy only the message base and index, which is not what we
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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Januk,

On 02 August 2000 at 23:14:32 GMT -0700 (which was 07:14 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

>> That's  a good idea. Every time I create a new folder I have to set
>> my favourite switches over and over.

JA>  Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create folders
JA>  often enough.  What if you created a dummy folder with all the
JA>  settings the way you like them.  Then when you need a new folder, you
JA>  could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the appropriate spot in
JA>  your folder hierarchy.  It was a bit quirky when I tried it, but it
JA>  may be worthwhile depending on the complexity of your setup.

That could work quite well.

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Re: Some questions

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marck,


On  Tuesday, August 01, 2000  at  16:44:27 GMT +0100 (which was 8:44 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> That's  a good idea. Every time I create a new folder I have to set my
> favourite switches over and over.

 Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create folders
 often enough.  What if you created a dummy folder with all the
 settings the way you like them.  Then when you need a new folder, you
 could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the appropriate spot in
 your folder hierarchy.  It was a bit quirky when I tried it, but it
 may be worthwhile depending on the complexity of your setup.


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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Marc,

On 01 August 2000 at 13:54:23 GMT -0400 (which was 18:54 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

MDP>> Sorry  but  this  list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure
MDP>> that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL.

M> How is this? Moved responses to BAT.

Wonderful!! Or, even better, Twoderful! ;-)

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Re: Some questions

[Curtis]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:00:54 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote:

A couple technical clarifications there Nick, if you don't mind.
:-)

NA> Unless I am misunderstanding you, I don't see the need to invoke PGP's
NA> word wrapping at all. Disengage it altogether when using TB!

Agreed. PGP's wrapping doesn't need to be active when using TB!
since TB! does not wrap on sending messages.

NA>   With the use of fixed-width fonts, the Editor basically becomes
NA> WYSIWYG... so you do not want PGP to re-wrap your message at all.

It's not the fact that TB! uses fixed width fonts that makes it
WYSIWYG. It's just that when TB! auto-wraps while you're editing and
reflows text in the various ways it does, it uses hard returns instead
of soft returns. Also, it never uses soft returns. Most specialist
editors will provide the user a choice between wrapping modes, ie,
whether hard or soft returns are used.

Because TB!'s editor wraps using hard returns, doesn't do soft
returns and TB! doesn't wrap on sending, you see the exact formatting
the recipient will receive *before* you send. TB! will therefore not
interfere with the formatting of PGP signatures, provided the user
doesn't deliberately reflow the PGP signature.

NA> Remember that if you invoke PGP's word wrap, that PGP will wrap
NA> first, followed by TB!, increasing the chances of breaking your PGP
NA> signature.

TB! doesn't wrap upon sending. Because of this TB! users run the
risk of PGP messing up the message text formatting. It did this to me a
couple times and since then I've disabled PGP's text reflowing.

PGP's wrapping facility is provided for those clients that
reflow text upon sending which happens to comprise most clients out
there including OE, Outlook, Eudora, Calypso among others. If one of
these clients is set up to reflow text at a column number less than PGP,
the clients reflow engine will reflow the PGP signature rendering it
invalid. This is why for those clients, their text reflow setting should
be higher than PGP's. If you use a similar set up with TB!, the message
body text will be reflowed rather horribly.

PS// When I say reflow I mean rewrap.

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Re: Some questions

[Nick Andriash]

On August 1, 2000, at 6:50:53 AM, Jamie Dainton [Bat] Wrote:

C>>-  When  PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks
C>>the format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible
C>>to avoid that and keep the justification ?

JDB>  Yes. Set wordwrap clear signed messages to 5 chars greater
JDB> than the TB! word wrap. This is located in PGP->Options->Email

Unless I am misunderstanding you, I don't see the need to invoke PGP's
word wrapping at all. Disengage it altogether when using TB!  With the
use of fixed-width fonts, the Editor basically becomes WYSIWYG... so you
do not want PGP to re-wrap your message at all.

Remember that if you invoke PGP's word wrap, that PGP will wrap first,
followed by TB!, increasing the chances of breaking your PGP signature.


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Re: Some questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Curtis,

MS>> IMHO   INI   file  configuration  is  a  far  better  way  of
MS>> holding configuration  data than the registry and this reason
MS>> is just one good example of why. Agreed. Eudora stores the
MS>> setup in an INI file and it makes manual editing  very easy.

> FWIW, I agree as well. Access is better, management is a
> lot easier. Portability is a lot easier.

This has been brought up several times recently, and I agree to a
certain degree. I have to say a central registry does have its
merits, though. Better designed, it can be easy to manage and
portable, too. And even as it is (which is hard to manage and not
very portable), it still has some advantages. E.g., it's easy to
automate changes with .reg files or scripts, which isn't easy for
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Re: Some questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Curtis,

JDB>>> Yes  this  is possible. Right click on the folder in question
JDB>>> and uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker"

C>> Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... !

C>> There  isn't  a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would
C>> be an UNchecked box ?!

> I can't find any registry entry that could help you there.

It's not in the registry. It's in the file "ACCOUNT.FLX", which,
from what I can tell, is about folder structure. It's a one-byte
setting, 1 for "show new mail in ticker" and 0 for no.
Unfortunately, there're too many binary data in there and its record
length isn't fixed. Unless RIT tells us how, there's no way to tell
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Re: Some questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck,

ML>> I don't think RIT should guess which way users prefer, either.

> I  disagree. A developer has to make exactly that call every time
> they add  a  new  feature  to  their software without the benefit
> of market research  ...  and  who  market  researches  every
> addition  to their software?

Well, I meant "in this case", 'cause it's too close to call, and
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Re: Some questions

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Hello Marc!

Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 6:24:04 PM, you wrote:

> At 11:38 am 8/1/00 , you wrote: Hi Marc, Sorry but this list is
> strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that you only post in plain
> text when writing to TBUDL

  The hint about HTML was directed at *you*. It does not matter what
  anybody of us thinks about HTML for e-mail in general, but both your
  mails did not even need HTML as the text was pure text without any
  formatting or gimmicks. Please - in order to not open a new
  unnecessary flame war about HTML for e-mails, set Eudora so that it
  does *not* send HTML to this list - plain text is strongly
  recommended!

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Re: Some questions

[Curtis]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:24:04 -0400, Marc Schreiber wrote:

MS> Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has
MS> color added to it! Why is that a problem?

Yes!! Once your signature has colour in it, it's sent in HTML
format. How else is Eudora supposed to show the coloured signature to
the recipient?

What Eudora really aught to do is disable or remove the rich
text formatting features from the editor when the plain text only
message option is in use. In that way, things like this do not happen.
Well, it's very much in the spirit of wrapping upon sending. The sender
really has no idea of what the recipient is getting. I stay away from
clients that do that sort of thing like the plague.

MS> IMHO   INI   file  configuration  is  a  far  better  way  of
MS> holding configuration  data than the registry and this reason is
MS> just one good example of why. Agreed. Eudora stores the setup in an
MS> INI file and it makes manual editing  very easy.

FWIW, I agree as well. Access is better, management is a lot
easier. Portability is a lot easier.

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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Marc,

On 01 August 2000 at 12:24:04 GMT -0400 (which was 17:24 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

MDP>> Sorry  but  this  list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure
MDP>> that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL.

MS> Heh??  I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has
MS> color added to it! Why is that a problem?

Because  plain  text  -  the medium of *real* mail - does not have any
colour. Eudora is forcing HTML to express colour and has done so gain.
Please suppress it when posting here.

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Re: Some questions

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 11:24 AM or thereabouts, Marc Schreiber
wrote the following about Some questions:

Marc> Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line
Marc> has color added to it! Why is that a problem?

Marc> Agreed. Eudora stores the setup in an INI file and it makes
Marc> manual editing very easy.

Splendid.  Then it should be very easy to shut off the HTML mail,
which is how this last message of yours came through again.

Chuck
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Re: Some questions

[Marc Schreiber]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: 

At 11:38 am 8/1/00 , you wrote:
Hi Marc,
Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that
you
only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL.
Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has
color added to it! Why is that a problem?


IMHO   INI   file  configuration 
is  a  far  better  way  of  
holding
configuration  data than the registry and this reason is just
one good
example of why.
Agreed. Eudora stores the setup in an INI file and it makes manual
editing very easy.

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Re: Some questions

[Curtis]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:02:34 -0700, Cameleon wrote:

JDB>> Yes. alt-drag the accounts into the order you want

C> Ho ?! Thanks :))

Also, if you wish to sort the folders in an account in
alphabetical order, click on the Folders header tab in the folder list
pane. A prompt will appear stating that 'This will change the order of
your folders. Do you wish to proceed?' Hit yes and your folders will now
be sorted alphabetically.

I remember having to test the resort to know what the ordering
would be like. Why not state in the prompt from the outset "This will
sort your folders in alphabetical order. Do you wish to proceed?"


JDB>> Yes  this  is possible. Right click on the folder in question and
JDB>> uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker"

C> Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... !

C> There  isn't  a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would
C> be an UNchecked box ?!

I can't find any registry entry that could help you there. The
ticker settings for folders is like the default column settings. You
have to tackle them early and build on them. It's a daunting task to use
the default column settings when you've already created numerous folders
which do not have the 'use default column settings' enabled. Someone had
mentioned a folder configuration dialog where you can select multiple
folders and then use a single config panel to adjust their settings.

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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Marc,

On 01 August 2000 at 11:18:53 GMT -0400 (which was 16:18 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that you
only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL.

MS>  >Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... !

MS>  >There  isn't  a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would
MS>  >be an UNchecked box ?!

MS> It would be nice if the account info was held in some type of
MS> editable file like an INI or DB that Excel could open and save.
MS> That way you could globally search and replace the line from Y to
MS> N...

IMHO   INI   file  configuration  is  a  far  better  way  of  holding
configuration  data than the registry and this reason is just one good
example of why.

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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Ming-Li,

On 01 August 2000 at 08:26:36 GMT -0700 (which was 16:26 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

>> It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the way
>> it  is. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess about which way round the
>> majority would prefer it.

ML> I don't think RIT should guess which way users prefer, either.

I  disagree. A developer has to make exactly that call every time they
add  a  new  feature  to  their software without the benefit of market
research  ...  and  who  market  researches  every  addition  to their
software?

ML> I would like to see, however, a place to set "default folder
ML> properties" (be it a section in Account Properties, or an item
ML> under the Folder menu). Whenever I create a new folder, TB takes
ML> the settings from there, instead of using TB's own default value.

That's  a good idea. Every time I create a new folder I have to set my
favourite switches over and over.

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Re: Some questions

[Ming-Li]

Hi Marck,

> It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the
> way it is.  I  wouldn't  like  to  hazard  a  guess about which
> way round the majority  would prefer it.

I don't think RIT should guess which way users prefer, either. I
would like to see, however, a place to set "default folder
properties" (be it a section in Account Properties, or an item under
the Folder menu). Whenever I create a new folder, TB takes the
settings from there, instead of using TB's own default value.

It's similar to the idea of having Account templates and
folder-specific templates. It's also similar to Agent's "default
newsgroup properties". :) (Sorry, I hate to mention Agent too many
times, but it's the only one I know that does this.)

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Re: Some questions

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Cameleon,

On 01 August 2000 at 05:35:12 GMT -0700 (which was 13:35 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Some questions":

C>- Is it possible to sort the *accounts*, for example by name ?

No.  The  only  way  AFAIK  is  to  create  the  accounts in the order
required.

C>-  When  PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks
C>the format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible
C>to avoid that and keep the justification ?

Disable  word wrap in PGP. That is the optimum setting for TB since it
wraps  the  text itself before signing. Alternatively set the PGP word
wrap  one or two characters higher than TB's to ensure that it doesn't
re-wrap.

C>-  That  would  be great to find a "offline" button, which would
C>pause all automatic POP checking, like in the Pegasus software.

TB  has this. Under Network Settings - I think it is the "No automatic
dial for periodical checking".

C>-  About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it,
C>folder  by  folder,  account  by  account. I personnaly (but that's
C>maybe  not  the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite,
C>beeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have
C>more  than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about
C>200  to  500  mails  by  day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I
C>would  like  to  use  it  for  example  for ONE or TWO folders, for
C>*important*  messages.  If  I  would  use  now,  it would always be
C>running !

It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the way it
is.  I  wouldn't  like  to  hazard  a  guess about which way round the
majority  would prefer it. Get clicking, I say! You have set it up for
you 400 folders in no time. Well, an hour or so ;-).

C> And congratulations for this software !

Yeah - good, isn't it :-)!

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Re: Some questions

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Cameleon, 

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 at 05:35:12 [GMT -0700], you wrote:
C> - About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it,
C> folder by folder, account by account. I personnaly (but that's
C> maybe not the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite,
C> beeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have
C> more than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about
C> 200 to 500 mails by day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I
C> would like to use it for example for ONE or TWO folders, for
C> *important* messages. If I would use now, it would always be
C> running !

Right-click on the folder and select properties. On the first tab is
the option "Show unread messages on MailTicker (tm)". Unfortunately,
this means that you will have to go through all your folders to set
this to off except for the cpl of folders you want it enabled in. :-(



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Re: Some questions

[Jamie Dainton [Bat]]

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Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 13:35:12, you wrote:


C> Hi,

C>There  are  some  details  I  can't  find  out in the Help file, if
C>anybody could help ?

C>- Is it possible to sort the *accounts*, for example by name ?

Yes. alt-drag the accounts into the order you want

C>-  When  PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks
C>the format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible
C>to avoid that and keep the justification ?

 Yes. Set wordwrap clear signed messages to 5 chars greater
than the TB! word wrap. This is located in PGP->Options->Email

C>Some suggestions, maybe the developpers of TheBat will read :-)

C>- That would be great to find a "offline" button, which would pause
C>all automatic POP checking, like in the Pegasus software.

  Nice idea.

C>-  About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it,
C>folder  by  folder,  account  by  account. I personnaly (but that's
C>maybe  not  the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite,
C>beeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have
C>more  than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about
C>200  to  500  mails  by  day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I
C>would  like  to  use  it  for  example  for ONE or TWO folders, for
C>*important*  messages.  If  I  would  use  now,  it would always be
C>running !

  Yes this is possible. Right click on the folder in
question and uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker"


C> And congratulations for this software !


C> Cameleon
C> http://cameleon.org
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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[HAVOK]

On Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:30:54PM +0200, Oliver Sturm wrote:
> 
> On Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 1999 at 9:48:18 you wrote:
> >>
> >> >> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?
> >> 

[my try at an explanation for %REGEXPQUOTES]

> Wow, now I get a first idea what all this might be about!! So you mean
> you  can  specify  what  parts of a received message the mailer should
> quote when writing a reply. 

Could be, but i didn't mean it.

> Or what parts of a message should be shown
> in  some special style (like red and bold ;) when viewing the message.
> SO.

This is what I meant.

(little offtopic) My current mailer can color each quote different. I
can color the quotes just as this example:
> > > > green
> > > red
> > blue
> yellow
black

(I don't know if The Bat! supports this currently.)

> Does  anyone  have  an  idea how I could get The Bat! to show me lines
> starting  with  "Iquotedis:"  (or  whatever)  as quotes in the message
> viewer? Again, I mean, using the red and bold style.

You mean something like %REGEXPQUOTES="Iquotedis:"?

> Anyway, what is %REGEXPTEXT for? Or is it just complementary?

Don't know. I still haven't tried my idea (still have to install 1.36 on
a windows machine :) 

> Oliver Sturm

Cya,
 Olav
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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Paula Ford]

On Wednesday, October 13, 1999, Oleg Zalyalov wrote:

> When  I  was  a  programmer, I used regular expressions for search and
> replace  widely,  and  I can at least imagine what it is. But I cannot
> understand  how  regexps can be applied to inserting quoted text. That
> is  why  I  need  documentation  about  that,  or at least any working
> example.

It is becoming really ridiculous when the users are having to go around
and around on a mailing list, drawing inferences from other contexts and
even quoting from manuals from other programs, trying to figure out how
a new feature or capability is used.

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[HAVOK]

On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 11:34:41AM -0400, Paula Ford wrote:

> On Monday, October 11, 1999, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:
> 
> >> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?
> 
> > Steve Lamb already answered this.
> 
> He didn't really explain what they do or what they might be used for.
> Anyone else?

The emailprogram that I currently use has also support for regular
expressions. I think that %REGEXPQUOTES is the same as the option
``quote_regexp'' with my mailer.

This is what it means: (from the manual)

: A regular expression used in the internal-pager to determine quoted
: sections of text in the body of a message.

The default setting for this option is "^([ \t]*[>|#:}])+". This means:
 - Zero or more spaces/tabs (tab, space, tab, tab is valid);
 - Followed by the symbol >, |, #, : or }
 - And the 2 lines above will be matched one or more times

Note that this default does not match the use of names before the
quote-character (like ``HAVOK> Paula> Andrew> ''). Using this example
you can easily test if The Bat! %REGEXPQUOTES is the same as my
quote_regexp.

(I have changed quote_regexp to "^([ \t]*[a-zA-Z]*[>#|])+".)

Hope this helps.

Cya,
 Olav

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 10:45:18 AM, Oliver wrote:
> Ok, you might say, just don't use them. I was just wondering... I know you
> can do a LOT of nice things with regexps, so I'd really like to use them in
> some way ;)

In 'merica we have a saying for this.  "Give a child a hammer and
everything looks like a nail."  Not all problems are solved with a particular
tool.  Also something that you may be overlooking is that the regexps aren't
only implemented in the filters and the macros but also the search strings.
For someone, like me, who keeps large databases of mail, having regexps to
search through that is yet another good example of regexps (YAGEOR).  I don't
know if you have such a database, but if you do then you may, from time to
time, have use for it.

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 2:20:53 AM, Oleg wrote:
> I believe it can be very useful if you are answering a standard letter,
> where it is easy to select a text which have to be quoted. Anyway, did
> anybody try this already and can provide an example?

Another good example would be to automatically remove quoted material in
your quote by excluding any line that starts with >>.  :)

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Steve Lamb]

Monday, October 11, 1999, 8:34:41 AM, Paula wrote:
> He didn't really explain what they do or what they might be used for.
> Anyone else?

Well, not those specifically.  If I were to guess you would put a regexp
expression into the macro and it would either copy (test) or quote (quote) the
matched text into the body of the message.

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Paula Ford]

On Monday, October 11, 1999, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote:

> Hello, The Bat Users!

>> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?

> Steve Lamb already answered this.

He didn't really explain what they do or what they might be used for.
Anyone else?

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 11 Oct 99, at 3:51, Ali Martin wrote
about "Re: Some questions about 1.36":

Btw, for all interested: www.perl.com --- the Regular Expression 
syntax is all there:-)

> > The answer is in the changes log.  They have added Perl style regular
> > expressions to certain areas of TB!.  Regular expressions (regexp) are
> > patterns that match against text and allow for the inclusion or exclusion of
> > said text in a very powerful manner.  Anyone who has done any work on unix
> > with either grep, perl or sed will know what regexps do and will most likely
> > be doing the jig next to their keyboard when they find out they are in TB!.
> > 
> > BTW, it is something that I've been trying to get into PMMail for years.
> 
> Well, I don't expect any details from you but the lack of
> documentation by Ritlabs would indicate to me that they wish to leave
> the 'jigging' to those who already are familiar with regexp and how to
> use them.
> 
> Should I take it to mean then that only those who are already familiar
> with it would have use for it?


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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Monday, October 11, 1999, 4:22:37 AM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:

> Well, no.  Regexps are one of those features where you don't know you'd
> use it until you learn it and use it.  Once you do then whenever you find
> yourself in a situation that would be solved nicely and neatly with them and
> they are not present it is like missing a limb.  Sure, you can get the job
> done another way but it takes a while to do it.  ;)

 well done explanation

> Again, that is but a simplistic example of what regexps could do.  I guess
> what I'm trying to say in my long-winded style is that regexps are an
> excellent tool for manipulating text and email, being a text-based medium, is
> an application exceptionally suited for their use.

Thanks very much Steve for spending the time to sensitize me to this
whole thing. After writing that reply to your initial message I
decided to type 'regexp' into a 'google' search and did come up with
quite a bit of info and as you said, it is complex. But it's indeed
interesting and I'll continue looking at it and familiarizing myself
with it. Thanks again. :)


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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Andrew K. Lovetski]

Hello, The Bat Users!

> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?

Steve Lamb already answered this. What I want to add is the
description of these macroses on the Macros Popup menu (Text submenu):

%REGEXPTEXT - RegExp subpattern of %TEXT
%REGEXPQUOTES - Quoted RegExp subpattern of %TEXT

> 2)  If  I  create a new message, enter some text and close the window,
> why  is  that  question  asking  me whether to trash my changes in
> russian (or some other language I can't read)?

If you have International Pack installed, then update your .LNG file -
download it from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html An old LNG
file is often the cause of such troubles. If you don't have any .LNG
file in The Bat! directory, then I cannot imagine any cause for the
behavior described.

> 4) Why does it say "Entering an _indexed_ folder is 2-4 times faster"?
>I  didn't  know  yet  there was something like an indexed folder as
>opposed to a non-indexed folder?!

Oleg Zalyalov wrote:
> I  did  understand that phrase as follows: now folders are indexed and
> that  makes TB! to open them 2-4 times faster. I don't know whether it
> is  a  real  fact or a result of suggestion, but it seems to me really
> working faster.

It seemed to me that the folders _were_ indexed before. The phrase
means (IMHO) that now TB uses indexes in a more optimized way. May be
it does not reindexes the folders every time it is started...

> 5)  Why don't the new macros %CCLIST, %BCCLIST and so on appear in the
> formatting window for print setup? They do work there, I tried.

They forgot to insert the macroses there. Just a minor bug. Already
reported :)

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Steve Lamb]

Monday, October 11, 1999, 1:51:23 AM, Ali wrote:
> Should I take it to mean then that only those who are already familiar
> with it would have use for it?

Well, no.  Regexps are one of those features where you don't know you'd
use it until you learn it and use it.  Once you do then whenever you find
yourself in a situation that would be solved nicely and neatly with them and
they are not present it is like missing a limb.  Sure, you can get the job
done another way but it takes a while to do it.  ;)

Regexps are somewhat complex.  In fact, O'Reilly has a book out on just
using regexps in various incarnations.

Just a quick off the cuff example of regexps, perl style.  Say you wanted
to search lines in a text file for an ip address notation, reverse it, then
stuff it into another variable.  The short perl script would be:

while(<>){
  if ($_ =~ /(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})/){
$reversedip = "$4.$3.$2.$1";
  }
}

The regexp is this:
/(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})\.(\d{1,3})/

That is a pattern which means "Any digit with 1-3 characters, dot, any digit
with 1-3 characters, dot, any digit with 1-3 characters, dot, any digit with
1-3 characters."  The parents around the "\d{1,3}" tells the regexp engine to
stick that into what I call a "register" which can be used later on in the
expression or later on in the language.  In this case, the first match is put
into register 1, the second into register 2 and so on.  Then on the line
inside the if I just assigned the registered in a reverse order to another
variable.

That is a simplistic view.  Regexps can match strings at the beginning of
the line, end of the line, have different subsets that they can match against
(\w for alphanumeric, \d for digit, \s for whitespace, etc), match single
characters (\s), none-to-any(\s*), one-or-more(\s+), a specific number or range
of characters(\s{1}, \s{1,4}, etc.  Add to that the substitution and translation
that some variations allow and it gets even more powerful.

Anyway, to get back to TB!, here is the changes entry that explains the
regexps:

[!] Perl-compatible Regular Expressions string matching when searching text in
Message Viewer (Find Text), Message Editor (Find Text / Replace Text), Message
Finder (see Advanced Tab), Sorting/Office filters (see Options Tab).

[+] %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros.

I'd have to play with it to see exactly how it works, but for me the most
obvious use of regexps in an email client would be to develop filters around
them and then use the registers from the filter to tell the program where to
sort the mail to.

For example, the mailing lists I run always have the following line in the
headers...

X-list: swprivateer

...so if I had regexp I could construct one like this...

/^X-list: (.*)/

...which tells it to match any string which starts with "X-list: " and
then place the remainder of the string in the first register.  Run against the
above line the first register would contain the word "swprivateer".  Now, tell
it to move the message to ".\Mailing Lists\$1" (example, I dunno if or how TB!
uses registers) and the mail is filed to ".\Mailing Lists\swprivateer".

But here is the important part.  That one filter will now match *ANY*
message sent from a list server that uses X-List and file it into a separate
folder.  I no longer need to add a filter for each mailing list, now it is
just for each mailing list software.  After covering Majordomo and LISTSERV,
the two most common mailing list servers out there) a majority of mailing
lists will be filtered automatically with no intervention from the user.

Again, that is but a simplistic example of what regexps could do.  I guess
what I'm trying to say in my long-winded style is that regexps are an
excellent tool for manipulating text and email, being a text-based medium, is
an application exceptionally suited for their use.

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Monday, October 11, 1999, 3:07:04 AM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled:

>> I tried them and can't seem to get them to do change the quote prefix.
>> Probably they're for some other mysterious purpose but I'd sure like to
>> know since I may find use for them.
> 
> The answer is in the changes log.  They have added Perl style regular
> expressions to certain areas of TB!.  Regular expressions (regexp) are
> patterns that match against text and allow for the inclusion or exclusion of
> said text in a very powerful manner.  Anyone who has done any work on unix
> with either grep, perl or sed will know what regexps do and will most likely
> be doing the jig next to their keyboard when they find out they are in TB!.
> 
> BTW, it is something that I've been trying to get into PMMail for years.

Well, I don't expect any details from you but the lack of
documentation by Ritlabs would indicate to me that they wish to leave
the 'jigging' to those who already are familiar with regexp and how to
use them.

Should I take it to mean then that only those who are already familiar
with it would have use for it?

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Steve Lamb]

Monday, October 11, 1999, 1:01:26 AM, Ali wrote:
OS>>> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?
>> I  do  suspect  that  these  macros  should change the quoting prefix,
>> although I didn't check it myself.

> I tried them and can't seem to get them to do change the quote prefix.
> Probably they're for some other mysterious purpose but I'd sure like to
> know since I may find use for them.

The answer is in the changes log.  They have added Perl style regular
expressions to certain areas of TB!.  Regular expressions (regexp) are
patterns that match against text and allow for the inclusion or exclusion of
said text in a very powerful manner.  Anyone who has done any work on unix
with either grep, perl or sed will know what regexps do and will most likely
be doing the jig next to their keyboard when they find out they are in TB!.

BTW, it is something that I've been trying to get into PMMail for years.

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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Monday, October 11, 1999, 2:23:46 AM (-5 GMT), Oleg scribbled:

OS>> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?
> I  do  suspect  that  these  macros  should change the quoting prefix,
> although I didn't check it myself.

I tried them and can't seem to get them to do change the quote prefix.
Probably they're for some other mysterious purpose but I'd sure like to
know since I may find use for them.


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Re: Some questions about 1.36

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Sunday, October 10, 1999, Oliver Sturm wrote about
Some questions about 1.36:

OS> 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT & %REGEXPQUOTES macros ?
I  do  suspect  that  these  macros  should change the quoting prefix,
although I didn't check it myself.

OS> 2)  If  I  create a new message, enter some text and close the window,
OS> why  is  that  question  asking  me whether to trash my changes in
OS> russian (or some other language I can't read)?
Not a case here. I don't have intpack installed.

OS> 4) Why does it say "Entering an _indexed_ folder is 2-4 times faster"?
OS>I  didn't  know  yet  there was something like an indexed folder as
OS>opposed to a non-indexed folder?!
I  did  understand that phrase as follows: now folders are indexed and
that  makes TB! to open them 2-4 times faster. I don't know whether it
is  a  real  fact or a result of suggestion, but it seems to me really
working faster.

OS> 5)  Why don't the new macros %CCLIST, %BCCLIST and so on appear in the
OS> formatting window for print setup? They do work there, I tried.
I think they just forgot to enlist them. They do work and this make me
almost happy. And another thing is that after selecting a message from
MailTicker  by double-click a folder view window becomes active. I was
intending to request it from authors, but they have outstripped me.

OS> 6)  What  would the rest of you think about some option for formatting
OS> text  as  a  block  in  the  editor but keeping the start of a new
OS> paragraph  intact?  Look  at the left border of my message and you
OS> see what I mean.
It would be great to have an option to make lists with hanging indent,
but I can't see how it can be done.


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