Re: uninstalling The Bat!
On Friday, January 23, 2004 at 5:10:32 PM, ken green wrote in the message uninstalling The Bat! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, thanks. I thought it was an upgrade license only kinda deal. I will try a fresh install with CE and see how that goes. Is is an upgrade license kind of deal. You, with your version 1 key, proved that you owned version 1, so you got a deal on version 2. You are perhaps confusing an upgraded license key with an program upgrade. The former requires the old key; the latter requires the old program. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. When in doubt, use brute force. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
On Friday, January 23, 2004 at 10:54:29 PM, ken green wrote in the message uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nice. This is definitely the best way to move messages across. Actually, you can import The Bat! message base files (*.TBB) themselves. That will probably preserve all the data associated with each message (parked/unparked, flags, etc.) except the memo. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Today's Oxymoron: Alone together Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
Chris wrote: Actually, you can import The Bat! message base files (*.TBB) themselves. That will probably preserve all the data associated with each message (parked/unparked, flags, etc.) except the memo. I was afraid to do this across versions. I was pulling messages from my desktop (1.62r) to my laptop (2.02.3 CE) Can anyone confirm whether this is OK? (more of a curiosity question at this point, as I've already moved a big part of the messages over) What is the difference between a v1 TBB file and v2 TBB file? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Chris wrote: Is is an upgrade license kind of deal. You, with your version 1 key, proved that you owned version 1, so you got a deal on version 2. You are perhaps confusing an upgraded license key with an program upgrade. The former requires the old key; the latter requires the old program. Yes, I was confused. Your explanation was textbook perfect. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hello ken, Thursday, January 22, 2004, 9:15:55 PM, you wrote: kg AbacusBat! - Uninstall kg This will remove AbacausBat! Continue? I'd never even hear of AbacusBat until now. Just looking at the website for it, it appears to be some law related program that incorporates TB. ,-- [ From http://www.esqwiredconsulting.com/update.htm ] | New Integrated Email AbacusBat is an integrated custom version of the | award-winning powerful email program called TheBat! It has every | feature that an advanced user will ever want. AbacusBat handles all of | your email and can file practice-related messages automatically by | Name and Matter. AbacusBat uses your AbacusLaw Names database so you | don't have to keep a separate address book or worry about duplicate | contact information. `-- Did you install Abacusbat? My guess is that the error is with them and not TB. If you're just trying to upgrade TB, then I would just install the version you want over the top of it. However, just FYI we're in version 2 now and there is an upgrade cost involved. There are no more betas being developed for the 1.x versions. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Leif Gregory wrote: If you're just trying to upgrade TB, then I would just install the version you want over the top of it. However, just FYI we're in version 2 now and there is an upgrade cost involved. There are no more betas being developed for the 1.x versions. Sorry I wasn't clear. I have paid for a 1.x license as well as the v2 CE upgrade. Is it true that I can simply install newer exe files on top of older ones to upgrade? Not across major releases, though, right? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Jonathan Angliss wrote: I originally had an issue with an imap setting on one of my accounts that I couldn't get unstuck, and ended up reinstalling... so sometimes it is worth it. By reinstalling do you mean a complete installation process (including the import and/or creation of new accounts)? Or do you mean just copying over the executable like the beta upgrades? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hello ken, Friday, January 23, 2004, 11:02:26 AM, you wrote: kg Is it true that I can simply install newer exe files on top of kg older ones to upgrade? Not across major releases, though, right? Yes, you can install 2.x over 1.x... There were some issues with IMAP accounts (someone else can speak to that as I didn't have that issue at the time). -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hi ken, on Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:02:26 -0600GMT (23.01.04, 19:02 +0100GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : kg Is it true that I can simply install newer exe files on top of older kg ones to upgrade? Not across major releases, though, right? Absolutely correct. It is always recommended to have usable backups before making major changes, but here The Bat!'s new installs always kept the old preferences and mail properties intact, so I never needed my backup after upgrading. :-) -- Cheers Peter Up is, by definition, the direction which broadens horizons. A. Cygni Winamp currently playing: Van Der Graaf Generator - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Leif- Friday, January 23, 2004, 7:20:41 AM, you wrote: kg AbacusBat! - Uninstall kg This will remove AbacausBat! Continue? LG ,-- [ From http://www.esqwiredconsulting.com/update.htm ] LG | New Integrated Email AbacusBat is an integrated custom version of the I'm always wary of integrated custom versions of *anything*. My guess is that the registry entries ken's looking for will be more in the Abacus-related areas, although now that he's started doing all this by hand, the chances of this coming out well aren't good. I also wouldn't hold out much hope for a mixture of the Abacus stuff and a new non-Abacus version of TB working together. Since it's all integrated, a better solution would probably be to upgrade the whole Abacus package at once, with whatever AbacusBat comes bundled. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Hello Mark, Friday, January 23, 2004, 12:35:29 PM, you wrote: MW I also wouldn't hold out much hope for a mixture of the Abacus MW stuff and a new non-Abacus version of TB working together. Since MW it's all integrated, a better solution would probably be to MW upgrade the whole Abacus package at once, with whatever AbacusBat MW comes bundled. Yeah.. Not being familiar with that particular package, there's no telling what they have done in the registry and to TB on his machine. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.03 Beta/45 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Mark Wieder wrote: I'm always wary of integrated custom versions of *anything*. As am I. But I have not ever *HEARD* of AbacusBat, and certainly did not install it intentionally. To my knowledge, I have only even had regular ol' The Bat!, starting with 1.x some time ago. My guess is that the registry entries ken's looking for will be more in the Abacus-related areas, although now that he's started doing all this by hand, the chances of this coming out well aren't good. It's done. I've raped and pillaged my registry and probably removed 10 times the entries I needed to. I will start with a fresh install and see how that goes. Is there a way to do a fresh install of v2? (I only paid for an upgrade, so this may not be possible) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
On Friday, January 23, 2004 at 4:27:33 PM, ken green wrote in the message uninstalling The Bat! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a way to do a fresh install of v2? (I only paid for an upgrade, so this may not be possible) Yes, you can. Just use the licence key they sent you for the fresh install; it will work. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Today's Oxymoron: Clearly misunderstood Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Chris wrote: Yes, you can. Just use the licence key they sent you for the fresh install; it will work. OK, thanks. I thought it was an upgrade license only kinda deal. I will try a fresh install with CE and see how that goes. Except. I'm still using 1.62r on my desktop. Will that screw things up trying to import messages over the the laptop and v2? I may try Allie's suggestion... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - thanks
Just wanted to take a quick moment and publicly thank all of you who have been participating in this thread. Without this forum, I don't know where I'd be with The Bat! -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Allie Martin wrote: Hmmm. This is probably not the thing to do. For two reasons, it will create problems when converting to IMAP and it's probably overdoing things when there's a problem with one or two message bases. Why not just delete the errant ones and restore from backup. This is what I *should* have done. But it was late, I was frustrated, and reason had left the building a long time ago... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
Allie Martin wrote: If I were converting from IMAP to POP, I'd export all my IMAP mail to UNIX files or copy/move them to local folders. I'd then create fresh POP accounts, create new folders and then import each exported folders messages to the corresponding POP folders. Is there a reason why you would use the Unix file export rather than MSG files or EML? I don't know the difference (except that different mail clients only import/export one or two formats). Are there advantages/disadvantages to any of the three formats? One last thing: could I do a new v2 install, create POP accounts, copy local folders over into the mail directory of the new install, THEN convert two of the accounts to IMAP? Maybe a better question is: Is POP - IMAP easily done with v2? I know that it's a very different message base and format. You know what? I'm making this WAY more complicated than I need it to be. The two accounts I want to have as IMAP, I don't really need a lot of message archives. The accounts I use for lists (where I would want to move the messages over), I have set as POP anyway. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat! - Unix files
ken green wrote: Are there advantages/disadvantages to any of the three formats? I think I answered my own question here... EML and MSG format exports and imports a group of individual messages. Exporting a Unix-mail*box* gives me one file - the whole folder of selected messages. Nice. This is definitely the best way to move messages across. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 22:15, ken green wrote: Anyone know what to do next when Add/Remove Programs fails? [..] AbacusBat! - Uninstall Error cleaning up AbacusBat! program directory. Uninstall aborted Anyone know what to do next? (besides dump TB and go with Becky...) You'll probably find there is a safety net in the uninstall that says not to delete the folder if there is non-installed items in it. This means that your mail accounts, mail data, personal options etc are safe and protected by the install script. If you go to where you installed TheBat, you should see a few folders left over, and a couple of files. If you don't need them, remove them. However, for the upgrade path, you really didn't need to uninstall the previous version. It is quite safe to just install the 2.x series over the top of the 1.x series, though you should note you'll need a new registration key if you haven't already got one. All the appropriate files are upgraded by TB when it runs that way. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
Jonathan Angliss wrote: You'll probably find there is a safety net in the uninstall that says not to delete the folder if there is non-installed items in it. This means that your mail accounts, mail data, personal options etc are safe and protected by the install script. If you go to where you installed TheBat, you should see a few folders left over, and a couple of files. If you don't need them, remove them. If that is the case, the error messages I received didn't even hint at that explanation. No message about protecting anything. Just what I posted. Why something as simple and basic as an uninstall has to be so esoteric and cryptic is just bad usability. Come on... You reply indicates that an uninstall was started ( you should see a few folders left over, and a couple of files) but nothing began. I never got past those error boxes. Unfortunately, I cannot test this because I am in the process of a complete manual delete of all things Bat. I deleted all program files and mail files (made a zip backup first), then proceeded to go through the registry and look for bat entries to delete. I'm still working on that Do you know how many registry entries have bat in them? Adobe Acrobat alone consists of about 50-60 entries, not to mention .bat files, etc. I tried searching on RitLabs first but that turned up one entry. God, do I have a headache! However, for the upgrade path, you really didn't need to uninstall the previous version. It is quite safe to just install the 2.x series over the top of the 1.x series, though you should note you'll need a new registration key if you haven't already got one. All the appropriate files are upgraded by TB when it runs that way. What about installing 2.x over 2.x? This was my laptop, which I had running first CE, then beta 40. Part of the reason I wanted a clean install was because of the corrupt folder problems I was having (messages not displaying). I know it's a longshot, but I thought a clean install might be nice.. :( I was also wondering (and would appreciate any advice) the best way to restore accounts without going through the IMAP convert to POP during the 1.62 upgrade to 2.x - and whether that's worth the hassle. I thought I might create fresh new IMAP accounts, then copy and paste the message base. Can I do that? Will that invite more problems that trying to do a Restore? Also, I could conceivably do a restore on my laptop to 1.62r and convert all accounts to POP, then upgrade. At that point, create my IMAP accounts and just copy messages from the POP folder equivalents... am i going insane...? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
On Friday, January 23, 2004 at 12:04:15 AM, ken green wrote in the message uninstalling The Bat! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you know how many registry entries have bat in them? Adobe Acrobat alone consists of about 50-60 entries, not to mention .bat files, etc. I tried searching on RitLabs first but that turned up one entry. The Bat! creates one registry entry per user: HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! The Bat! may be registered elsewhere too. For example, as the default mailer. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: uninstalling The Bat!
On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 23:04, ken green wrote: You'll probably find there is a safety net in the uninstall that says not to delete the folder if there is non-installed items in it. This means that your mail accounts, mail data, personal options etc are safe and protected by the install script. If you go to where you installed TheBat, you should see a few folders left over, and a couple of files. If you don't need them, remove them. If that is the case, the error messages I received didn't even hint at that explanation. No message about protecting anything. Just what I posted. Why something as simple and basic as an uninstall has to be so esoteric and cryptic is just bad usability. Come on... That is certainly odd. I'm sure I'd seen that before and it was the result of the uninstaller protecting the files, but it was a long time ago. Do you know how many registry entries have bat in them? Adobe Acrobat alone consists of about 50-60 entries, not to mention .bat files, etc. I tried searching on RitLabs first but that turned up one entry. The only ones you should worry about is the branch: \HKLM\Software\RIT Or it might be \HKCM\Software\RIT The rest of the registry keys that TB might alter can usually be reset by opening Outlook. God, do I have a headache! Know the feeling ;) What about installing 2.x over 2.x? Should be just fine. I upgrade through the beta cycles just fine. This was my laptop, which I had running first CE, then beta 40. Part of the reason I wanted a clean install was because of the corrupt folder problems I was having (messages not displaying). I know it's a longshot, but I thought a clean install might be nice.. :( I originally had an issue with an imap setting on one of my accounts that I couldn't get unstuck, and ended up reinstalling... so sometimes it is worth it. I thought I might create fresh new IMAP accounts, then copy and paste the message base. Can I do that? Will that invite more problems that trying to do a Restore? Not entirely sure. It seems the IMAP files are created with random names, so you might have to do some playing to get this to work. Also, I could conceivably do a restore on my laptop to 1.62r and convert all accounts to POP, then upgrade. At that point, create my IMAP accounts and just copy messages from the POP folder equivalents... am i going insane...? No, just a little batty ;) IMAP is a server side storage. Which means you shouldn't have to copy anything from your local computer into an IMAP account. Providing the messages have been left on the server by the old IMAP implementation, it should just refetch them correctly. Unless I'm miss-understanding what you're attempting to do. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
