Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Dejan,

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 02:21:10 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Dejan> Thanks for the tip!

  You're welcome.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Sir Jinx!]

On  4/17/2001  5:53:21  PM,  on the subject "Sending to a address book
group" Jan Rifkinson said:

JR>   In this particular case, I did the looking for you so you can
JR>   click on "Sending to a address book group, Ottar Grimstad" to
JR>   follow the thread.

JR> Alternatively if you just want to read only my comments they are @
JR> URLs

Thanks for the tip!

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

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Hello Nick,

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 12:30:06 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Nick> I can't even get to first base here! :o(  I'm using 1.52 Beta 1 still
Nick> because I find the latest Beta's too buggy. Would that be a problem,
Nick> because under the File menu in the AB, I see no mention of "Mass Mailing".

  I don't know if the beta has any relevance here; rather the fact
  that I omitted one little fact that Dierk picked up on -- you have
  to create one QT & check "Use for new mail/mass mailings" to show
  TB! you intend to use it for a mass mailing before it will even
  show up under AB/file/use for mass mailing. Sorry for the
  confusion.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

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On April 17, 2001, at 9:19:24 AM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>  Nick, its a function that you use via the AB. Look under file.

I can't even get to first base here! :o(  I'm using 1.52 Beta 1 still
because I find the latest Beta's too buggy. Would that be a problem,
because under the File menu in the AB, I see no mention of "Mass Mailing".


Nick

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Dierk,

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 18:43:50 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Dierk> To clear that up a bit: You need at least one QT for which you have to
Dierk> check "Use for Mass Mailing".

  True, true. Thanks for correcting me, Dierk. I certainly wouldn't
  want to mislead Nick (or anyone else, for that matter). :-)

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Re: Sending to a address book group

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Hello Jan!

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 6:19:24 PM you wrote:

>   Nick, its a function that you use via the AB. Look under file.
>   Amongst other things, you'll need to create a template msg. Then
>   you apply it from a special AB set up just for the mass mailing.

To clear that up a bit: You need at least one QT for which you have to
check "Use for Mass Mailing".

I really like the way the programmers implemented that - even as it
led me astray at first. You cannot see the feature if you haven't set
it up by making the QT.

Don't show anything to the user if he cannot use it. Isn't that the
way newer MS software works?

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Nick,

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 09:01:28 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Nick> How does one access that feature?  I have looked through the AB but there
Nick> is no mention of "Mass Mailing"


  Nick, its a function that you use via the AB. Look under file.
  Amongst other things, you'll need to create a template msg. Then
  you apply it from a special AB set up just for the mass mailing.
  It's pretty nifty. I would suggest experimenting with a few names
  just to get the idea first.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Nick Andriash]

On April 17, 2001, at 8:48:55 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

> I hope I am not totally off, has anyone mentioned the "Mass Mailing"
> feature invoked from within the AB? Works the same way only everybody
> gets his own (private) message with no other addresses revealed.

How does one access that feature?  I have looked through the AB but there
is no mention of "Mass Mailing", nor is there any mention of it in the
Help Files. 


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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Sir,

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 17:09:47 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Sir> [I returned just today on the list, after a long leave] so I
Sir> would appreciate if you would explain the matter to me
Sir> privately.

  You may not know this but TBUDL has archives of all the msgs in a
  searchable form that is quite useful in situations like this. For
  that you go to URL

http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/

  There you can search for the subject or scan the msgs which are
  also in chronological order as well as being listed by thread.

  In this particular case, I did the looking for you so you can
  click on "Sending to a address book group, Ottar Grimstad" to
  follow the thread.

  Alternatively if you just want to read only my comments they are @ URLs

http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg23737.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg23777.html

  HTH

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Nick!

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 at 5:19:24 PM you wrote:

> I don't think you missed anything, as long as the AB Group "GIM"... which
> I presume is the "Handle" for this AB Group... has all the contacts listed
> individually. The key seems to be the word  following the Group Name
> in the To: field. If that is there, then you may rest assured the message
> will be delivered to each Member. :o)


I hope I am not totally off, has anyone mentioned the "Mass Mailing"
feature invoked from within the AB? Works the same way only everybody
gets his own (private) message with no other addresses revealed.

Yes, I really like that one. :-)

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

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Hi Sir,

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, at 16:13:04 [GMT +0200] (10:13 AM where I live) you
wrote the following in regards to "Sending to a address book group":

SJ> Now, when I type GIM in 'TO' all I get
SJ> is 'GIM ' without addresses!!! Did I miss something?

No you didn't. TB! will automatically fill in the addresses upon sending.
You won't see it happen, but it does...

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Re: Sending to a address book group

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On April 17, 2001, at 7:13:04 AM, Sir Jinx! wrote:

> I  was  about to ask the same question like Douglas's, so I tried what
> you  suggested.  Well,  I have a group of friends from my high-school,
> and  I typed 'GIM' as a handle. Now, when I type GIM in 'TO' all I get
> is 'GIM ' without addresses!!! Did I miss something?

I don't think you missed anything, as long as the AB Group "GIM"... which
I presume is the "Handle" for this AB Group... has all the contacts listed
individually. The key seems to be the word  following the Group Name
in the To: field. If that is there, then you may rest assured the message
will be delivered to each Member. :o)


Nick

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Sir Jinx!]

On  4/17/2001  4:32:27  PM,  on the subject "Sending to a address book
group" Jan Rifkinson said:

JR> No & yes. No you did not miss anything because TB! will expand the
JR> list internally & send it to all the group members automoatically.
JR> Yes   you  did  miss  something  because  you  have  not  read  my
JR> explanation of this situation further up in this thread. I think I
JR> explained  it step by step but if this is not clear enough, I will
JR> be happy to try some more.

I  suppose  that  this  question  was discussed _a lot_ on the list [I
returned  just  today  on  the  list,  after  a long leave] so I would
appreciate if you would explain the matter to me privately.

Thanks,
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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Sir,

On Tuesday, April 17, 2001 16:13:04 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Sir> I  was  about to ask the same question like Douglas's, so I tried what
Sir> you  suggested.  Well,  I have a group of friends from my high-school,
Sir> and  I typed 'GIM' as a handle. Now, when I type GIM in 'TO' all I get
Sir> is 'GIM ' without addresses!!! Did I miss something?


  No & yes. No you did not miss anything because TB! will expand the
  list internally & send it to all the group members automoatically.
  Yes you did miss something because you have not read my
  explanation of this situation further up in this thread. I think I
  explained it step by step but if this is not clear enough, I will
  be happy to try some more.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Sir Jinx!]

On  4/17/2001  1:43:38  PM,  on the subject "Sending to a address book
group" A Curtis Martin said:
   
 ACM> Even  if  you  simply type in the group handle and tab out of the
ACM> To:  field,  TB!  will  detect the handle name and you'll see the
ACM> '' added to the handle automatically.

I  was  about to ask the same question like Douglas's, so I tried what
you  suggested.  Well,  I have a group of friends from my high-school,
and  I typed 'GIM' as a handle. Now, when I type GIM in 'TO' all I get
is 'GIM ' without addresses!!! Did I miss something?

Dejan
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Re: Sending to a address book group

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:35:55 -0600, Douglas contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

NA>> when I want to send a single message to all Members of this small
NA>> Group, all I have to do is put the Group name in the To: field, and
NA>> all will receive the letter?

DH> Probably. But I suggest doing the following: Right click on the To:
DH> field and select the list. You will notice that what you´ll see will
DH> be the code name given with the word  following. Typing in the
DH> short cut should also work

Even if you simply type in the group handle and tab out of the To: field,
TB! will detect the handle name and you'll see the '' added to the
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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Nick & others on this TB! list & following this thread,

Monday, April 16, 2001,  you asked :

NA> when I want to send a single message to all Members of
NA> this small Group, all I have to do is put the Group name in the To: field,
NA> and all will receive the letter?

Probably. But I suggest doing the following: Right click on the To:
field and select the list. You will notice that what you´ll see will
be the code name given with the word  following. Typing in
the short cut should also work

Douglas



NA> On April 15, 2001, at 12:34:43 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>>  If I want to write to all of them I create a new msg & address  it to
>>  "BouvLists" which is the name of the group. TB!, as I  understand it,
>>  will send the msg to all the names in the group,  i.e. all the
>>  different Bouvier lists that I belong to.

NA> Jan, just so I understand the procedure for creating your own Mailing
NA> List:

NA> 1) I have 25 Members from my PGP-Basics Group who have offered to help out
NA> the Membership as a whole by offering to exchange encrypted messages. So,
NA> I have set up a new AB Group called "PGP-Basics Help Group".

NA> 2) Now, I have to make 25 separate entries in this Group, is that correct?

NA> 3) Once I do that, when I want to send a single message to all Members of
NA> this small Group, all I have to do is put the Group name in the To: field,
NA> and all will receive the letter? I don't have to have at least *one*
NA> actual (real) address in the To: field?

NA> Thanks for your time.

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

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Salutation Nick

On 16 April 2001 at 11:15:12 -0700 (which was 19:15 where I live) Nick
Andriash wrote

> The message has already been sent, and I've received a number of replies
> already so it must have worked. I did get one message back:

I worked to me, and reply sent.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

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On April 16, 2001, at 10:36:45 AM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>   I assume this method is going to work for your 25 member group. Let us
>   know if you think of it, ok?  It'll sort of wrap up this thread
>   nicely.

The message has already been sent, and I've received a number of replies
already so it must have worked. I did get one message back:

 Recipient: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reason:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Relaying denied

but I do not think that has anything to do with my Group or TB!. Thanks
again Jan for the help.


Nick

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Nick,

On Monday, April 16, 2001 10:24:15 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Nick> I suppose all there is left to do is test it. Thanks for your help

  Oh no problem, Nick; you're more than welcome. I'm glad I could
  finally contribute something to the list. Others may have also
  read my first msg & wondered exactly I was talking about so I
  don't consider it any trouble.

  I assume this method is going to work for your 25 member group.
  Let us know if you think of it, ok?  It'll sort of wrap up this
  thread nicely.

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Nick Andriash]

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On April 16, 2001, at 10:07:58 AM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

> Just to be sure, I tried it again, addressing a test msg to three   mail
> lists in one AB group using the instructions above before I   replied to
> you & it worked like a charm. I'll use the same method   to apologize to
> the list members of those 3 lists.

Oh, you shouldn't have gone to all that trouble. My new Group does in fact
have a distinct "Handle" called "PGP-Basics Encryption Help Group", and
yes, when I choose a New Message, the "Handle" is displayed in the To:
field along with ""... like this:

PGP-Basics Encryption Help Group 

So, I suppose all there is left to do is test it. Thanks for your help
Jan. :o)


Nick

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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Nick,

On Monday, April 16, 2001 09:27:46 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Nick> On April 15, 2001, at 12:34:43 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>>  If I want to write to all of them I create a new msg & address  it to
>>  "BouvLists" which is the name of the group. TB!, as I  understand it,
>>  will send the msg to all the names in the group,  i.e. all the
>>  different Bouvier lists that I belong to.

Nick> [...] just so I understand the procedure [...]

Nick> 1) I have 25 Members from my PGP-Basics Group who have offered to help out
Nick> the Membership as a whole by offering to exchange encrypted messages. So,
Nick> I have set up a new AB Group called "PGP-Basics Help Group".

  OK (& this AB group also has a handle which is the key here)

Nick> 2) Now, I have to make 25 separate entries in this Group, is that correct?

  Yes or, alternatively, you could assign them to the group from
  your main AB by assigning them to this specific group by in the AB
  entry properties. IOW, you don't (& in fact, shouldn't) create a
  duplicate entry just for this special group.

Nick> 3) Once I do that, when I want to send a single message to all Members of
Nick> this small Group, all I have to do is put the Group name in the To: field,
Nick> and all will receive the letter? I don't have to have at least *one*
Nick> actual (real) address in the To: field?

  Not precisely. You put the 'handle' in the To: field.

  Just to be extremely clear, what I do is as follows:

  I click on the down triangle next to the create new email icon.
  There I see the handle for all my AB groups + any individual names
  I have checked as favorites.

  I move my cursor down to the appropriate AB Group handle & the
  menu expands to reveal "all entries" + the individual addresses in
  the group (in your case the 25 names if they are all marked as
  favorites). I don't believe they have to be checked off as
  favorites for this to work.

  Anyway, I click on (select) "all entries" instead of an individual
  name & this inserts the AB Group handle in the To: field with
   next to it. That's *all* you will see or *ever* see.

  If you write your msg & send it, TB! must recognize an AB Group
  handle followed by "" as an internal command to send email
  to every single name in the group individually. And it does as I
  have done it, though not with as many as 25 names but I don't know
  know that there is a limitation on this TB! "trick".

  Very cute, useful & efficient but *extremely* discomforting
  because you don't see TB! do it & so you have no assurance that
  its done. Even the msg in the 'Sent' folder appears as the 
  msg so there is no confirmation that this has happened except when
  you get responses from the folks you've posted.
  
  Just to be sure, I tried it again, addressing a test msg to three
  mail lists in one AB group using the instructions above before I
  replied to you & it worked like a charm. I'll use the same method
  to apologize to the list members of those 3 lists.

  HTH

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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Nick Andriash]

On April 15, 2001, at 12:34:43 PM, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>  If I want to write to all of them I create a new msg & address  it to
>  "BouvLists" which is the name of the group. TB!, as I  understand it,
>  will send the msg to all the names in the group,  i.e. all the
>  different Bouvier lists that I belong to.

Jan, just so I understand the procedure for creating your own Mailing
List:

1) I have 25 Members from my PGP-Basics Group who have offered to help out
the Membership as a whole by offering to exchange encrypted messages. So,
I have set up a new AB Group called "PGP-Basics Help Group".

2) Now, I have to make 25 separate entries in this Group, is that correct?

3) Once I do that, when I want to send a single message to all Members of
this small Group, all I have to do is put the Group name in the To: field,
and all will receive the letter? I don't have to have at least *one*
actual (real) address in the To: field?

Thanks for your time.


Nick

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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ottar,

On Sunday, April 15, 2001 19:39:00 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Sending to a address book group':

Ottar>   In Outlook Express I could just enter a group name in the To: field,
Ottar>   and it was automatically expanded to the group members on sending. I
Ottar>   cannot get this to work in The Bat.

Ottar>   If I just enter the address book group name, the message is sent
Ottar>   using that name, and rejected from my ISP on lack of a proper address.

  If I understand your question correctly, you are asking about
  addressing a group of people by their AB or Group Name. I believe
  this is possible in TB!.

  In TB! one can create Group ABs as subsets of the main AB. Of
  course these groups have to have unique name. So I'll give you an
  example from my AB.

  I belong to 4 lists that deal with the Bouvier des Flandres.
  Because of that I created a group called BouvLists. In that group
  I placed all the 'post to' addresses of the 4 Bouvier mail lists.

  If I want to write to all of them I create a new msg & address
  it to "BouvLists" which is the name of the group. TB!, as I
  understand it, will send the msg to all the names in the group,
  i.e. all the different Bouvier lists that I belong to.

  The confusing thing is you don't see all the addresses expanded in
  the To: address line. You sort of have to take it on faith, not
  always the best way, IMO, when dealing with computers :-)

  HTH

-- 
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
Using TB! v1.51
ICQ 41116329



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Re[2]: Sending to a address book group

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Marck,

Sunday, April 15, 2001, 8:24:26 PM, you wrote:

MDP> Yes there is. TB uses two methods for this. Enter a part match
MDP> for a first name and use Ctrl+Plus to expand the name from the
MDP> address book. Press it again to find the next match. The second
MDP> method is to type the handle of the address book entry in full
MDP> and press tab to have TB expand it automatically.

  Yes.

  And I was mistaken. When the address field says  then it is
  expanded on sending to all the members of the list. I must have made
  a mistake in my earlier tests.

  Thank you!

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Best regards,
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Re: Sending to a address book group

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Ottar,

On 15 April 2001 at  19:39:00 +0200 (which was 18:39 where I  live)
Ottar Grimstad wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these
points:

OG>   If I just enter the address book group name, the message is sent
OG>   using that name, and rejected from my ISP on lack of a proper address.



OG>   Is there something that I am missing?

Yes there is. TB uses two methods for this. Enter a part match for a
first name and use Ctrl+Plus to expand the name from the address book.
Press it again to find the next match. The second method is to type
the handle of the address book entry in full and press tab to have TB
expand it automatically.

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Sending to a address book group

[Ottar Grimstad]

  In Outlook Express I could just enter a group name in the To: field,
  and it was automatically expanded to the group members on sending. I
  cannot get this to work in The Bat.

  If I just enter the address book group name, the message is sent
  using that name, and rejected from my ISP on lack of a proper address.

  If I press Ctr-Enter on group name in the address book, the To field
  contains "listname " and the result is the same.

  I have to start the message,
  press address book icon to the right on the  To:  - line.
  Select group
  Press the >> button to get all of the names into the address field

  Is there something that I am missing?

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 Ottar Grimstad, Norway
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http://home.online.no/~ottgrims



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