Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, Responding to your article on Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 12:21:19 GMT +0100 (which was 13/08/2000 18:21 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : [ ... ] MDP I agree that this is not always the case. The "retry queue" has had a MDP mention in this thread and I can state what this is here and now. If MDP all MX servers (see above) fail to respond after a fixed retry count MDP (x times for each server in the MX list for the domain - I have my MDP server set at three, I think the default is four) the message fails MDP the immediate delivery and is placed in the retry queue. The server will retry sending in first 4 hours, and every attempt will try 8 times per MX. It depend on the traffic though, sometimes in 4 hours the server will retry 10 times , sometimes more and sometime less than 4 (the server will check delivery schedule every 1 minutes). MDP This queue is processed at regular intervals - usually four hourly MDP ... I don't know what Syafril has defaulted ours to - for around 4 MDP days. It's depend on error messages when trying to deliver, but normally if after 4 hours the message can't be deliver it will going to RetryQueue in this list (will stack there for 3-days, trying delivery for next days) or going to Relay Host for further delivery attempt. MDP After four days, the server will inform the list manager (in the MDP case of list traffic) of the permanent delivery failure. This is MDP the retry queue logic. It doesn't apply to the example you have MDP given - there is no appreciable delay between the dutaint server MDP receiving the original message and the relay servers on the other MDP side accepting the message for forward delivery. Correct, thank for the explanation. -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, August 14, 2000, 13:48:45 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi TBUDL, Chuck wrote: snip CM Case in point, Gerd, I only received your message, just now, CM second-hand via Thomas' reply; I've yet to receive your original post. CM It's been happening to me, only with this list out of many high-volume CM lists, for either two or three days. Despite what others may suggest CM regarding your ISP, I suspect the problem is *not* on the listmember CM end of things. snip I can give some details to this problem: it seemes as if it has sometimes to do with Mark R. Harding's msgs (Sorry, no offence, Mark). 1.) Thread "Filtering to other accounts..." and replies I received Marks reply to Ming-Li's reply on 11 Aug 2000 19.45; the initial message arrived on 12 Aug 2000 13.50 2.) Thread "Re: why do u discriminate me just cuz Im new to this list?" I received a reply from Steve Lamb on 12 Aug 2000 9.13; the initial msg to which the reply was related was Mark's which arrived here on 12 Aug 2000, 11.09. I enclosed parts of the header of these two msgs at the end of this mail. I'm sure there are some more examples (I'm not sure, that /always/ Mark's message is affected), but I think this will do. I sent these examples OFF-LIST to Curtis (I was't sure whether this topic is of everyone's interest). He answered: Any idea ? ACM Nope. Maybe Syafril can help. Syafril, can you ?? +Marks Message 12 Aug 11.09+++ BEGINNING OF COPY +1+++ Received: from mailgate2.cinetic.de by mx03.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.1.0.0 #62) id m13NWN5-00GZUqa; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:10 +0200 Received: from relay.xlink.net (relay.xlink.net [193.141.40.4]) by mailgate2.cinetic.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id AAA02888 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:12:46 +0200 Received: from dutaint.com (ns2.dutaint.com [203.130.233.13]) by relay.xlink.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01593 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:38:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:36:02 +0700 Received: from pcv08.ee.ed.ac.uk (pcv08 [129.215.232.118]) by postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05221 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:35:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:35:45 +0100 From: Mark R Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snipped] END OF COPY +1+++ +Steves reply 12 Aug 9.13+ BEGINNING OF COPY +2+++ Received: from dutaint.com by mx04.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.1.0.0 #61) id m13NKqh-006qz0a; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:52 +0200 Received: from teleute.rpglink.com by dutaint.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:50:01 +0700 Received: from antelope.it.earthlink.net [207.217.90.52] by teleute.rpglink.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13NKjN-0004sG-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:44:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:51:13 -0700 From: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snipped] END OF COPY +2+++ TIA - -- Cheers Gerd Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOZZgP0y/sHrVbGGHEQJGFgCfXZEwTurNssfbyNe2K/UXG4y3TZwAn3D7 Fm+WOXXCUcGdmNzHo7RCduPR =kjd0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Gerd, Regarding your message dated: 13 August 2000... GE I can give some details to this problem: it seemes as if it has sometimes to do GE with Mark R. Harding's msgs (Sorry, no offence, Mark). No offence taken! I have an idea though although I'm not sure how it explains the problem ... The reply you quoted from me was sent from my machine at work. Email from this machine gets routed onto the internet via the SMTP server at work which is very well run and normally extremely quick. When I work from home (dial-up), or communicate with friends who use dial-up connections and their ISP's servers I often notice that messages start running out-of-sync and my assumption from examining headers in the past is that some ISPs servers are overloaded on occasion and take a while to distribute email. I also have a free email address at 'email.com' which is setup to directly forward all email to my work account and if I mail myself (for test purposes only of course - I promise I'm not that mad!) I notice that it can regularly take a day or two to get the message back to me. (i.e. - it's hopeless and I don't use it any more.) Really, I don't know if factors such as these could be affecting how you get you mail deliveries out-of-order (logically it doesn't seem to make sense) but this does happen to a number of people I know and usually there is a 'free email' service involved somewhere along the line. GE I'm sure there are some more examples (I'm not sure, that /always/ Mark's GE message is affected), but I think this will do. Generally for me, on TBUDL/TBBETA this effect is rare (barring the other type of out-of-sync messages such as the messages recently from Starc whose emails all seem to be dated mid-June time and therefore appear way down near the bottom of the pile due to sort-by-creation-date settings.) but it does happen a lot on the only other discussion list I'm on. There the readership is more diverse in client/platform where some subscribers use PC's, some macs, some OnMail (digital TV email) and so on with a whole host of clients on each platform. With clocks not always accurate and differences in platforms adherring to standards it's a wonder any of the output is ledgible at all! For interests sake - this message is sent from home (via my server, the ISP relay and outwards...) so it'll be interesting to see whether there are problems in timing with this message too? Best wishes Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gerd, On 13 August 2000 at 11:45:42 GMT +0200 (which was 10:45 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)": GE I can give some details to this problem: it seemes as if it has GE sometimes to do with Mark R. Harding's msgs (Sorry, no offence, GE Mark). This has nothing to do with Mark's account. It is to do with the routing used to reach your domain, which seems to be variable - possibly because there are multiple MX records for the domain and the message gets routed to the first domain MX server which responds in real time. The server will traverse the list of MX servers for the domain in order of priority until it finds one that will accept the mail. It seems that one of them is more than slightly sluggish. GE I sent these examples OFF-LIST to Curtis (I was't sure whether GE this topic is of everyone's interest). He answered: Any idea ? ACM Nope. Maybe Syafril can help. GE Syafril, can you ?? I can tell you from these *exactly* where the blockage occurred: GE +++ COPY 1 GE Received: from mailgate2.cinetic.de by mx03.web.de with smtp GE (freemail 4.1.0.0 #62) id m13NWN5-00GZUqa; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:10 +0200 ^ Right here - this relay point is ten hours *after* it arrived GE Received: from relay.xlink.net (relay.xlink.net [193.141.40.4]) GE by mailgate2.cinetic.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id AAA02888 GE for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:12:46 +0200 Here at relay.xlink.net, which had already sat on the message for two and a half hours since receiving it from the dutaint server ... GE Received: from dutaint.com (ns2.dutaint.com [203.130.233.13]) GE by relay.xlink.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01593 GE for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:38:30 +0200 (MET DST) At this time. Of course, this is assuming that the clocks on the servers involved are correct. GE Received: from postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk by dutaint.com GE with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R) GE for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:36:02 +0700 Take away 7 and add 2 to give a time of 21:36 in MET DST +0002 format which states that relay.xlink.net got the message a mere *two minutes* after it left Mark's site... GE Received: from pcv08.ee.ed.ac.uk (pcv08 [129.215.232.118]) GE by postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05221 GE for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:35:45 +0100 (BST) Which was only one minute after he sent it. GE ++ COPY 2 Now, this message underwent a *completely* different routing and relay.xlink.net was not involved giving us the following timings... GE Received: from dutaint.com by mx04.web.de with smtp GE (freemail 4.1.0.0 #61) id m13NKqh-006qz0a; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:52 +0200 ^ This is a mere two minutes after it left the dutaint server ... GE Received: from teleute.rpglink.com by dutaint.com GE with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R) GE for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:50:01 +0700 Take away 7 and add 2 to give a time of 21:50 in MET DST +0002 format as the time that it arrived at dutaint from rpgliink... GE Received: from antelope.it.earthlink.net [207.217.90.52] GE by teleute.rpglink.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) GE id 13NKjN-0004sG-00; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:44:37 -0700 Which is six minutes after rpglink got it in the first place. IOW: I'd have a word with your ISP. I agree that this is not always the case. The "retry queue" has had a mention in this thread and I can state what this is here and now. If all MX servers (see above) fail to respond after a fixed retry count (x times for each server in the MX list for the domain - I have my server set at three, I think the default is four) the message fails the immediate delivery and is placed in the retry queue. This queue is processed at regular intervals - usually four hourly ... I don't know what Syafril has defaulted ours to - for around 4 days. After four days, the server will inform the list manager (in the case of list traffic) of the permanent delivery failure. This is the retry queue logic. It doesn't apply to the example you have given - there is no appreciable delay between the dutaint server receiving the original message and the relay servers on the other side accepting the message for forward delivery. HTH
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On 13 August 2000 at 12:07:35 GMT +0100 (which was 12:07 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)": MRH ... my assumption from examining headers in the past is that some MRH ISPs servers are overloaded on occasion and take a while to MRH distribute email. Correct. MRH For interests sake - this message is sent from home (via my MRH server, the ISP relay and outwards...) so it'll be interesting to MRH see whether there are problems in timing with this message too? MRH Received: from by silverstones.com [127.0.0.1] MRH with DomainPOP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R) MRH for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:22:08 +0100 That took ten minutes to arrive ... but that's an issue of when I picked up my domain mail from the relay server. MRH Received: from dutaint.com by ... MRH for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:12:27 +0700 This is some four minutes after it left the originating server ... I am surprised it took that long! MRH Received: from bart.callnet0800.com by dutaint.com MRH with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0c.R) MRH for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:08:07 +0700 Well, someone's clock is wrong! This went back in time by 17 seconds :-). MRH Received: from smtp.callnet0800.com [212.67.128.145] by bart.callnet0800.com with ESMTP MRH (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1FE5FEF0140; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:09:50 +0100 Two minutes and twenty second after it was received (but I think that bart.callnet0800.com has its' clock set slightly fast). MRH Received: from mango.callnet0800.com [212.67.144.19] by smtp.callnet0800.com MRH (SMTPD32-5.05) id A17A1222021E; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:38 +0100 This transit took only two seconds. MRH Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) MRH by mango.callnet0800.com (MERAK 2.10.290) with ESMTP id FE65DCF0 MRH for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:36 +0100 And this one only one second from the time of creation. MRH Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:35 +0100 In truth, time difference in seconds can't be really be relied upon. I once saw someone sneering at PC clock synchronizers on this list but, IMHO, such things are a necessity for clarity and to ensure that we are all talking the same language. I use one which runs on the main comms machine here on my LAN and knows how to get the current real time from a time server. It will do this at one minute intervals while I am connected to an ISP and I dial out at least every 15 minutes. This software also provides time server services for the LAN and all other machines here look to it for an update at around 30 minute intervals. A PC clock will drift by a few seconds every day. The practices I observe here mean that no PC in the house is out by more than a second at any time (except in the case of prolonged dial-out failure). - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQA/AwUBOZaKnznkJKuSnc2gEQJskACcDZBj5xIEAVbHwGd4V3YKOJevXiwAn3k2 H4D9ZvCvWT8U2a7uqVQ6AZwT =O0Wm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Hallo Marck, On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:46:39 +0100 GMT (13/08/2000, 19:46 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: [...] MRH Received: from mango.callnet0800.com [212.67.144.19] by smtp.callnet0800.com MRH (SMTPD32-5.05) id A17A1222021E; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:38 +0100 MDP This transit took only two seconds. [and so on] I got the message from Mark two minutes after he sent it. I was just typing the analyses when you message come in, so I'll everybody the repetition. ;-) MDP In truth, time difference in seconds can't be really be relied upon. I MDP once saw someone sneering at PC clock synchronizers on this list but, MDP IMHO, such things are a necessity for clarity and to ensure that we MDP are all talking the same language. I use one which runs on the main MDP comms machine here on my LAN and knows how to get the current real MDP time from a time server. It will do this at one minute intervals while MDP I am connected to an ISP and I dial out at least every 15 minutes. Geez, if a PC clock is so far off real time, I think someone needs to invent a new oszillator! ;-) I synchronise about once a week. Anyway, someone's "sent time" being off by six weeks (!) has nothing to do with synchronisation or lack thereof, he just hasn't figured out yet how to set the time on his PC. Doesn't anybody know a newsgroup we can recommend him for that? (I'll duck for the trouts, which will be coming from four directions on three continents now. I say, "save the trouts!") -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Marck, Regarding your message dated: 13 August 2000... MDP In truth, time difference in seconds can't be really be relied upon. I MDP once saw someone sneering at PC clock synchronizers on this list but, MDP IMHO, such things are a necessity for clarity and to ensure that we MDP are all talking the same language. I use one which runs on the main MDP comms machine here on my LAN and knows how to get the current real MDP time from a time server. It will do this at one minute intervals while MDP I am connected to an ISP and I dial out at least every 15 minutes. MDP This software also provides time server services for the LAN and all MDP other machines here look to it for an update at around 30 minute MDP intervals. A PC clock will drift by a few seconds every day. The MDP practices I observe here mean that no PC in the house is out by more MDP than a second at any time (except in the case of prolonged dial-out MDP failure). I'd agree that a time synchroniser is pretty much essential to allow accurate clock-times to be maintained... I use "Dimension 4" which is a marvellous little piece of freeware. I discovered it when a colleague's machine lost its ability to maintain the clock-time when it was switched off (i.e. A CMOS clock problem) and by putting "Dimension 4" into the startup group the machine re-established its link with "the real world" on each boot. In case anyone is interested, "Dimension 4" is available here... http://www.accessone.com/~thinkman/dimension4/ Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.45 S/MIME Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Hallo Mark, On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:27:23 +0100 GMT (13/08/2000, 20:27 +0800 GMT), Mark R Harding wrote: MRH In case anyone is interested, "Dimension 4" is available here... MRH http://www.accessone.com/~thinkman/dimension4/ I use AboutTime. I used anacron for a while but was unhappy - forgot the reason. Anyway, there are many free time synchronisers at Yahoo, category Computing Internet; search for "time synchro". It'll give you some choices. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:07:35 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 13.08.2000, 13:07:35 (GMT+0200) my local time, you wrote about "Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)": snip MRH For interests sake - this message is sent from home (via my server, MRH the ISP relay and outwards...) so it'll be interesting to see whether MRH there are problems in timing with this message too? snip Thanks for your reply. No problems with this message. Although your idea is a good explanation for the effect, I think it is a problem with my ISP, as Marck mentioned in his reply. - -- Best regards, Gerd Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOZaI+ky/sHrVbGGHEQIEugCfbKbOCpNj6G2KedkS2ifpCshj4W4AoNKj hAzmmAuly8+38HI0DH5dDGS8 =+eFs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, on Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:21:19 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 13.08.2000, 13:21:19 (GMT+0200) my local time, you wrote about "Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)": snip MDP IOW: I'd have a word with your ISP. snip If this will happen again, I will ! Thank you for explaining the header: it's the first time I really understood what happened ! Thanks Marck ! - -- Best regards, Gerd Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOZaJyEy/sHrVbGGHEQLXLwCg3w3Cx414FbRKuj6J2crQCUzI7X8An1xY 2Rjue89h7rYl54g13KMGzw2b =FXFu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Strange error message when sending
Hello Jamie, Friday, August 11, 2000, 3:53:25 PM, you wrote: JD Is that immediate send or delayed send? I was using immediate send. JD Was TB! minimized to JD the system tray while writing the e-mail. I had TB! maximized. JD In the short term it might be worth using the beta version. JD increased. Yep, that's what I did. And so far, everything is going fine. I've sent a ton of mail and haven't gotten that message yet. It is strange that I only started getting the message last Wednesday night. I figure though, that since I'm using Win-doze 98, these weird kind of things are going to happen! G JD Some people won't agree with me but I often find that the betas JD are more stable than the release. I know that sounds wrong but JD I've beta tested enough software to know if the stability has I've noticed that, too. Odd, isn't it? -- Best regards, Christine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange error message when sending
Hello Gerd Ewald, Responding to your article on Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 15:53:11 GMT +0200 (which was 12/08/2000 20:53 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : CB One odd note, when I sent my e-mail to TBUDL I didn't get that CB message. [the only time I didn't] I knew there was something "magical" CB about this list! G GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the GE original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for GE the original message. GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ? This server having Relay Host (secondary SMTP Out), if in the first 4 hour the server can't connect to your SMTP Host, it will goes to Relay Host. -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Monday, August 14, 2000, 13:05:29 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Strange error message when sending
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christine, on Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:55:17 -0400 GMT your local time, which was 12.08.2000, 14:55:17 (GMT+0200) my local time, you wrote about "Strange error message when sending": snip CB One odd note, when I sent my e-mail to TBUDL I didn't get that CB message. [the only time I didn't] I knew there was something "magical" CB about this list! G I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for the original message. Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ? - -- Best regards, Gerd Using The Bat! 1.45 S/MIME under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOZVIuEy/sHrVbGGHEQKkUACgtQG64Z2EbNwYlUH/S/CuY25DAkAAn0Mb D02divYZut9Ole7M71dUW0zP =ZwN9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange error message when sending
Hello Christine, Friday, August 11, 2000, 6:46:35 PM, you wrote: CB "Exception EInvalidOperation in module THEBAT.EXE at 0005AD5B. Control CB 'eMsg' has no parent window." CB After I click "OK" in the message box, the program closes out. When I CB re-open it, I find that the e-mail has been sent. Everything seems CB normal, no problems all. But, as soon as I write and send an e-mail CB that message pops up again. Is that immediate send or delayed send? Was TB! minimized to the system tray while writing the e-mail. This may fool Delphi 2 into thinking the parent window (although that is a more MDI issue) does not exist. I think this is one for Stefan. In the short term it might be worth using the beta version. Some people won't agree with me but I often find that the betas are more stable than the release. I know that sounds wrong but I've beta tested enough software to know if the stability has increased. -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, August 11, 2000 8:50:17 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 Windows 98 4.10 The Bat -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange error message when sending
On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote: GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the GE original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for GE the original message. GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ? Having no such problems here. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=-Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA Using TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "An error? Impossible! My modem is error correcting. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
Hallo Gerd, On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200 GMT (12/08/2000, 21:53 +0800 GMT), Gerd Ewald wrote: GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before the original GE msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two days for the original message. GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ? I used to have this problem with my former account (@ibm.net) and it turned out that the server was off-line for hours on end every couple of days. When the Mailing List server cannot connect, it will put the message meant for you into a queue and only try so much later again, or so I was told. Traffic on this list has been huge these past days, maybe the retry is therefore even later, or the queue longer (I'm speculating). -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending)
On Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 11:45 AM or thereabouts, Thomas Fernandez wrote the following about Replies arrive before originals (was:Re: Strange error message when sending): Thomas On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:11 +0200 GMT (12/08/2000, 21:53 Thomas +0800 GMT), Gerd Ewald wrote: GE I know what you mean: the last few days I receive replies before GE the original msg is transmitted ! Sometimes I have to wait two GE days for the original message. GE Is it only me having that problem or is it a ML-server problem ? Case in point, Gerd, I only received your message, just now, second-hand via Thomas' reply; I've yet to receive your original post. It's been happening to me, only with this list out of many high-volume lists, for either two or three days. Despite what others may suggest regarding your ISP, I suspect the problem is *not* on the listmember end of things. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: There is no finish line. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
