Re: TB - BSODs
Hi John, I wonder if TB can ever cause (or be related to some other software that causes) recurrent BSODs (Blue Screen of Deaths). It seems to cause BSODs here. I had that happen recently on both Win2K and WinXP (I have a triple boot system, with Fedora Core 1 also). Resolution below. snipped Microsoft talks a reference in a Microsoft document about some `system software' occasionally causing this error. Microsoft's so helpful. :) But it's hard to believe it's hardware itself. I've been running happily on the same hardware configuration for 3 years. Also I've desperately replaced boards, checked disk memory over and over anyway - no fix. Have you checked for BIOS updates for your mobo? Driver updates for your NIC? I'm sure you have, but just checking in case. :) My problem turned out to be a bad stick of RAM. My RAM was fine during the normal boot-up system check and even worked fine when I moved/swapped the sticks around, but I never thought to stress test each individual stick. I'd just boot up and determine that it was okay. I finally found it when I ran the DocMemory memory testing software. It's currently free and performs a series of tests on the memory. The stick of RAM that was bad passed preliminary tests but failed the more complex ones. http://www.simmtester.com/page/products/doc/docinfo.asp I removed the stick and no more BSODs. MY internet is a bit more flakey on W2K than Linux also, but I did change the NIC from a board to an in-built SuperMicro NIC, using a different driver. I agree with Allie's reasoning on the issue - TB!'s just bringing to light an issue with something else. -- Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB - BSODs
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi TBUDL, I wonder if TB can ever cause (or be related to some other software that causes) recurrent BSODs (Blue Screen of Deaths). It seems to cause BSODs here. They happen, if I'm trying to work, every 2-5 minutes. Previously I had a very stable SuperMicro Dual CPU W2K system. I'm going to have to re-install or go back to a previous registry state, I guess. Meanwhile I boot to Linux, where's there's no TB. However - the BSODs do NOT happen, if I DON't use The Bat!!! The point of this message is... I don't think it's The Bat. I use my machine 12-16 hours a day, and run TB constantly, along with a ton of other software. I've even managed to continue writing code for the past month without having to reboot or even restart explorer. \\IO has been up for: 31 day(s), 20 hour(s), 59 minute(s), 22 second(s) I use TB 2.01.26 with 122,886 messages in 6 accounts currently. This machine is a carefully constructed development machine with parts a gamer type would call me an idiot for buying, such as ECC memory. It's been up since I bought it and got past the initial setup processes. My previous machine, with the same software was not this stable, and never was in the 4 years using it. I could never find a definitive source of the warts, but made some guesses and addressed those possible areas of concern with my next machine purchase. Of course, no one could quantify the problem but me. The user of the machine is much more qualified to know what is going on. It's like your body, doctors really don't know as much as an intelligent person about their own body. :p I can tell you what I know of my previous machines, but you probably do not have the same hardware. My old system was AMD/VIA K7V with Mushkin, non-ECC memory, Creative SB Live platinum, GeForce 2 MX. Once I fixed the Creative's major problems by finally finding the kx-project drivers, I suspected the problems I was still seeing were due to AMD/VIA or Mushkin memory problems. Of course, many may see AMD/VIA and instantly tell me all this stuff I need to do, but that is very old news to me, implemented and greatly improving things,... years ago. Last year my old machine was what most would consider acceptable. In fact, they might be angry I would find problems with it. Regardless, I made my next machine a 6 layer PCB on an Intel 875PBZ board, stopped using Creative forever and got an M-Audio revolution. Got Intel approved, CMTL passed and certified ECC memory, with Samsung chips, double sided DDR, 512x4. The result is a machine that runs everything my old machine did with more stability and less worry. I leave 20 applications open all the time, I doubled my task bar size, and have finally found something I have been seeking for many years. \\IO has been up for: 31 day(s), 21 hour(s), 21 minute(s), 2 second(s) P.S. My old machine runs Debian now. I first used Windows in 1999. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB - BSODs
On Monday, February 16, 2004, 5:29:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tko I use TB 2.01.26 with 122,886 messages in 6 accounts currently. Did you add up the messages in your accounts yourself, or is there a way to find the total within TB? -- Deborah Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB - BSODs
Hi TBUDL, I wonder if TB can ever cause (or be related to some other software that causes) recurrent BSODs (Blue Screen of Deaths). It seems to cause BSODs here. They happen, if I'm trying to work, every 2-5 minutes. Previously I had a very stable SuperMicro Dual CPU W2K system. I'm going to have to re-install or go back to a previous registry state, I guess. Meanwhile I boot to Linux, where's there's no TB. However - the BSODs do NOT happen, if I DON't use The Bat!!! The BSOD error: o The BSOD message is the STOP 0xD1 DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. This indicates `that a kernel-mode driver attempted to access pageable memory at a process IRQL that was too high'. It can mean hardware / driver problems (the logical and most usual cause) but also can mean that your CPUs are not being cooled well enough, and also .. Microsoft talks a reference in a Microsoft document about some `system software' occasionally causing this error. But it's hard to believe it's hardware itself. I've been running happily on the same hardware configuration for 3 years. Also I've desperately replaced boards, checked disk memory over and over anyway - no fix. MY internet is a bit more flakey on W2K than Linux also, but I did change the NIC from a board to an in-built SuperMicro NIC, using a different driver. I'd be happy for any advice, or suggestions. Thanks, -jae -- John Eadie [JE46] (604) 904-5185 FAX: (801) 760-3555 COMPUTING ART Inc ~ Incorporated '89 ~ http://www.c-art.com `Grace does not overcome nature but makes it perfect.' .. Meister Eckhart, Fragments, #22 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB - BSODs
Hello bats, on Sun, 15. Feb 2004 at 13:30:21 -0800 John Eadie wrote: J o The BSOD message is the STOP 0xD1 DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Is there any driver (filename) specified? -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB - BSODs
John Eadie, [JE] wrote: JE I wonder if TB can ever cause (or be related JE to some other software that causes) recurrent BSODs JE (Blue Screen of Deaths). It seems to cause BSODs here. IMO, it's only relationship with BSOD's is that it needs to use/access the problem part of the system and as a result the BSOD's occur. You then incorrectly blame it for being the cause of the problem when all it's doing is showing up the problem. It doesn't even matter if it's not happening with another network application. When I initially bought this laptop I'm using the BIOS version and adapter drivers weren't tangoing and I was getting a lot of BSOD's. It seemed that IE was the application that triggered BSOD's on most occasions. Just recently, I had to deal with another bout of mysterious BSOD's and it seemed to have been secondary to a bad USB hub. I did have to do a repair install etc since I didn't know the cause and I still had occasional BSOD's after the repair install. However, the problem completely vanished after removing the hub. JE They happen, if I'm trying to work, every 2-5 minutes. Previously JE I had a very stable SuperMicro Dual CPU W2K system. Yep. I know how you feel. :) I wouldn't blame TB! though. The problem is still there. JE I'm going to have to re-install or go back to a previous registry JE state, I guess. This may work, yes. JE Meanwhile I boot to Linux, where's there's no TB. How unfortunate. :) JE However - the BSODs do NOT happen, if I DON't use The Bat!!! Nothing beats the tranquility of OS stability, *especially* when it's taken away from you and you've found it again. JE The BSOD error: JE o The BSOD message is the STOP 0xD1 DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. This is rather non-specific and was what I got on the second of the two BSOD periods. Very likely a corrupted driver, a driver encountering a new situation with its bugginess/incompatibility surfacing. Lastly it could be bad/defective hardware. Let's hope it's the software. JE But it's hard to believe it's hardware itself. I'd hope not myself. JE I've been running happily on the same hardware configuration for 3 JE years. Well, things can certainly go bad. I was using the hub for months. JE Also I've desperately replaced boards, checked disk memory over JE and over anyway - no fix. Ok. So it's not a port or something so. JE I'd be happy for any advice, or suggestions. I'd try a restoring to a previously working restore point or doing a repair installation. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04 RC/3 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB - BSODs
On Monday, February 16, 2004, 12:25:02 AM, Allie wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JE Meanwhile I boot to Linux, where's there's no TB. A How unfortunate. :) Xandros could be your friend here... TB! works very nicely under CrossOver Office in Xandros :-) -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 -a born-again Xandros Linux batter!!! ;-) Flying high with The Bat! v2.04 RC/3 on Xandros 2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
