Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Allie Martin @ 2004-Jun-8 9:50:42 AM Top Posting / Cut Mark mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, we've seen where off-list moderating takes a list. Is that because the moderators have to coordinate their messages so the offender does not get reprimanded multiple times? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Today's Oxymoron: Almost exactly pgpLkUFJ4Sbc3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Chris, [C] wrote: Furthermore, we've seen where off-list moderating takes a list. C Is that because the moderators have to coordinate their messages so C the offender does not get reprimanded multiple times? No. The members often feel that what others do on list is fine since it's not moderated. They don't realize that it's being moderated off-list. So they believe that something that was in fact moderated, is ok and they proceed to follow suit. Public moderation prevents this unnecessary confusion and more common breaking of list rules. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.03 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpVOYHV4Ejwz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top Posting / Cut Mark
Can the moderator send these seemingly endless top posting and cut mark messages to the offending poster and not the whole list? It's amazing how many of these I've been getting lately. Wading through these messages is - IMHO - _much_ more annoying than the relatively minor problem of a top poster. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Hello jwayne, Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 1:53:17 PM, you wrote: j Can the moderator send these seemingly endless top posting and cut mark j messages to the offending poster and not the whole list? It's amazing how many j of these I've been getting lately. Wading through these messages is - IMHO - j _much_ more annoying than the relatively minor problem of a top poster. Yes, I second that. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Jwayne, [J] wrote: J Can the moderator send these seemingly endless top posting and J cut mark messages to the offending poster and not the whole list? J It's amazing how many of these I've been getting lately. Wading J through these messages is - IMHO - _much_ more annoying than the J relatively minor problem of a top poster. Moderatorial interjections are best served on list. In this way, everyone sees them. If someone who wishes to top post sees one of the top posting moderatorial comments, he'll likely not do so. I was hoping your comment would be more to the effect that the moderatorial interjections are becoming very common and you wish that members would read and follow the list rules so that the moderators wouldn't have to be interjecting so much. The list rules are provided with each subscription and may also be reviewed via the list information pages, the URL for which is in the footers for each message. It's a challenge keeping the lists to the standard they currently are and along the way, we inevitably get comments like yours with a few in agreement. That's no problem. They're duly noted. However, the moderatorial notes will continue. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.03 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpz9jYBFjbvI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Hello Allie, Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 2:31:53 PM, you wrote: AM It's a challenge keeping the lists to the standard they currently are AM and along the way, we inevitably get comments like yours with a few in AM agreement. That's no problem. They're duly noted. However, the AM moderatorial notes will continue. Do these types of messages always start with the subject line with Mod:.*? -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Nednieuws | Charles, [NC] wrote: AM It's a challenge keeping the lists to the standard they currently are AM and along the way, we inevitably get comments like yours with a few in AM agreement. That's no problem. They're duly noted. However, the AM moderatorial notes will continue. NC Do these types of messages always start with the subject line with NC Mod:.*? Yes. So it's a potential filtering point. I hope that you're very familiar with the list rules before you embark on filtering out moderatorial interjections which could be in response to one of your posts. :) -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.03 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpabn5l5g1Qf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Hello Allie, Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 3:21:17 PM, you wrote: AM Nednieuws | Charles, [NC] wrote: AM It's a challenge keeping the lists to the standard they currently are AM and along the way, we inevitably get comments like yours with a few in AM agreement. That's no problem. They're duly noted. However, the AM moderatorial notes will continue. NC Do these types of messages always start with the subject line with NC Mod:.*? AM Yes. So it's a potential filtering point. AM I hope that you're very familiar with the list rules before you embark AM on filtering out moderatorial interjections which could be in response AM to one of your posts. :) Yes, I am. And should I violate, block me off the list. This is what you could do with people that violate the list. Send them a personal warning. If they, as you said, don't respond to this, block them after a couple of warnings. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Nednieuws | Charles, [NC] wrote: NC Yes, I am. And should I violate, block me off the list. This is NC what you could do with people that violate the list. Send them a NC personal warning. If they, as you said, don't respond to this, NC block them after a couple of warnings. In the overwhelming main, we don't need to be so cut and dry with our members who are usually very cooperative. Furthermore, we've seen where off-list moderating takes a list. One thing it sure does is to make the moderator frustrated and without time to get on with other things. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.03 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpjrA0YcOkKg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 13:53:17, jwayne wrote: Can the moderator send these seemingly endless top posting and cut mark messages to the offending poster and not the whole list? It's amazing how many of these I've been getting lately. Wading through these messages is - IMHO - _much_ more annoying than the relatively minor problem of a top poster. It's easy to filter them out. OTOH, if the moderators wouldn't send these to the list, you'd see 10 other members complaining. BTW, where's _your_ cut mark? -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ for personal mail, replace guest.arnes.si with isg.si If the experiment works, you must be using the wrong equipment. -- Patrick's Theorem Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Hello Jernej, Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 8:14:46 AM, you wrote: Jernej BTW, where's _your_ cut mark? He has one. Right below his name. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: First things first, but not necessarily in that order. Using The Bat! 2.11.03 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 11:03:04 AM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Jernej, LG Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 8:14:46 AM, you wrote: Jernej BTW, where's _your_ cut mark? LG He has one. Right below his name. LG -- LG Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). LG Tagline of the day: LG First things first, but not necessarily in that order. But it appears that the space after the -- is being discarded when the following are used to create or reply to a message: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 or Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1250 and the RTF viewer is used. The signature, tagline, etc. appear as black and not silver color and the space is not there. But when the source is viewed (via F9) the space is there. Is it just a problem with the RTF viewer? Or my settings? -- Regards, Plan9 On the seventh day He brewed beer Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Hello Plan9, Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 9:58:56 AM, you wrote: Plan9 The signature, tagline, etc. appear as black and not silver Plan9 color and the space is not there. But when the source is viewed Plan9 (via F9) the space is there. Is it just a problem with the RTF Plan9 viewer? Or my settings? Hmmm. I'm thinking it's on your settings. His shows up as grey as does mine and yours. How does your cut mark look when you view your own message? -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Sorry for not writing sooner. I died last week. Using The Bat! 2.11.03 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 12:19:44 PM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Plan9, LG Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 9:58:56 AM, you wrote: Plan9 The signature, tagline, etc. appear as black and not silver Plan9 color and the space is not there. But when the source is viewed Plan9 (via F9) the space is there. Is it just a problem with the RTF Plan9 viewer? Or my settings? LG Hmmm. I'm thinking it's on your settings. His shows up as grey as does LG mine and yours. LG How does your cut mark look when you view your own message? It's grey as is should be. And so is your's as long as your message is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii as shown by F9. Hmmm. I'll tinker with the settings, send some messages to myself to conserve list bandwith, and see what develops. -- Regards, Plan9 I smoke in moderation, only one cigar at a time. -Mark Twain Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Hello Plan9, Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 11:38:23 AM, you wrote: Plan9 It's grey as is should be. And so is your's as long as your Plan9 message is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii as shown Plan9 by F9. Hmmm. I know I haven't changed any of my charsets. I wonder what's going on. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Software Requirements: Microsoft Windows and a heckuva lot of patience. Using The Bat! 2.11.03 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 2:24:50 PM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Plan9, LG Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 11:38:23 AM, you wrote: Plan9 It's grey as is should be. And so is your's as long as your Plan9 message is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii as shown Plan9 by F9. LG Hmmm. I know I haven't changed any of my charsets. I wonder what's LG going on. I don't know how to correct it, but I now know what triggers the missing space in the cut mark. Any message that has: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when viewed in the Rich Text viewer will not display the space. I took a good message with: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit, displayed the source with F9, copied it to a text editor, changed the 7bit to quoted-printable, saved it as a x.eml, imported into TheBat and the space was not displayed in the Rich Text viewer. I did the converse, took a message that had Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable, used F9, copied the source into a text editor, changed quoted-printable to 7bit, saved it as y.eml, imported into TheBat and the space was displayed and everything below the -- was grey. Even Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit displays correctly. So it appears that Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable triggers the undesirable behavior. I changed every setting I could think of and nothing changed this Rich Text viewer behavior. What triggers TheBat to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in a message? I even set ACCOUNT PROPERTIES - MAIL MANAGEMENT to as Quoted-printable and all of my messages still use 7bit. Anyone else seeing this behavior in the Rich Text viewer? -- Regards, Plan9 The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
