Re: complaint: thebat portability
ON Sunday, February 03, 2002, 11:13:02 AM, you wrote: Jernej It's pretty simple to port The Bat: start RegEdit, go to Jernej HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT and export the complete folder The Jernej Bat!. Backup your complete The Bat installation (all folders, Jernej including all Bat's files - thebat.exe, tbmapi.dll...), reformat the Jernej hard drive, restore The Bat. If you didn't put it in the same path it Jernej used before, fix the paths in the REG file, otherwise just import it Jernej back to registry. Now run The Bat. Everything is just as it was before Jernej the backup. Jernej, This reminds me of a car mechanic who I saw 30 years ago. He could not find the electrical problem that was in the car. so he pulled out all the electric wires and rewired the complete car. Easy and quick he explained. Today the first thing the mechanic does when my car comes in is plug it into the computer and with its newest brother you hand the car keys to the reception who use the error log stored in the car-key to make a workplace order. The car almost tells the mechanic what to do! The point, we should try to make TB! not a tool for experts but for all users out there. That means easy to configure and intuitive to use. That sort of kills the register editing option, sorry. BTW extra points for naming my car brand :-) -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
Hello Gerard! On Monday, February 4, 2002 at 9:32:29 AM you wrote: BTW extra points for naming my car brand :-) Sounds like one of the newer German or Swedish cars. Hmm, the key element tells me it's electronically started. Renault has a card. BMW, Audi and Volvo I can't remember. Mercedes Benz uses a funny shaped electronic key. A clumsy design, much bigger than a normal key, with a big chip built into it. For the moment I would say you own a Mercy (E) ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/35 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Absurdity: A statement of belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. (Ambrose Bierce) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability
Gerard wrote: BTW extra points for naming my car brand :-) Most probably a Renault Laguna. Jint Nijman -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: complaint: thebat portability
Hi Jernej, OK ... are you saying that when I backup my mail folders then if I need to ever do a full re-install of The Bat! then simply re-importing the backup will not be enough to get me up and running? What exactly is stored in the Reg that would be important to me? I basically need all my mail and my signature/s ... can't think of anything else. With best wishes, Dave -- David Conroy MSW Personal Life and Business Coaching World-wide Web: www.e-coaching-only.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member International Coach Federation, ID 1006660. PGP Key on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_pgp Instant Messaging on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_im Using The Bat! v1.53d Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Monday, February 04, 2002, 12:01:26 PM, Jernej wrote: Jernej Simoni It's not perfect, but it's much easier to use than manually exporting Jernej Simoni the registry... This message was checked by MailScan for WorkgroupMail. www.workgroupmail.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability
Hello Alastair, Sunday, February 03, 2002, 4:36:06 PM, you wrote: AS It appears to be one of those mind mapping things, except that the AS nodes of the map can be made up of any (possibly Web-based) AS information, not just words you type in yourself. I must say the Web AS site would be greatly helped by screen shots; although the authors are AS in information management they're not handling it very well AS themselves! AS (As my mind is incapable of being mapped by anything in the normal AS four dimensions, I keep well away from such packages ;) This was built with a mindmapping tool http://at.omic.co.uk/powertools.htm Zoot is very different it's a personal information processor. I'll point you at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZootForum/files/ for the first chapter in a draft tutorial (with screen shots) which is being developed by a couple of us users on the zoot list. (it's about the 6th item down). YOu should pick up the basic concepts pretty quickly. The Zoot developer has written a special Bat! email import routine as well. There isn't much documentation so the zoot group on yahoo is the best place to ask questions. but let me say this, there are now two programmes I just couldn't be with out (that launch on startup) zoot and TB! Andrew -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK Join the Power Tools Discussion: Recommended software: http://at.omic.co.uk/powertools.htm Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability
Hello Gerard, 04. februar 2002, 9:32:29, you wrote: GdV The point, we should try to make TB! not a tool for experts but for GdV all users out there. That means easy to configure and intuitive to GdV use. That sort of kills the register editing option, sorry. OK, attached are two batch files, which automate the backup process. You'll need to have RAR.EXE from WinRAR 3.0 somewhere in your path, but that's all (to get RAR.EXE to the path, copy it to C:\Windows\Command folder) - To backup, run BATBACKUP.BAT with Bat's installation folder as parameter. So, if you have The Bat installed in C:\Program Files\The Bat!\, run this BATBACKUP C:\Program Files\The Bat!\ (note: don't use quotes). - To restore, copy TheBat_backup.rar, BATRESTORE.BAT and RAR.EXE to the root folder of the drive (you can put RAR.EXE somewhere else in the path) and run BATRESTORE It's not perfect, but it's much easier to use than manually exporting the registry... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/34 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] Nobody loves a winner who wins all the time. -- Trump's Quirk of Human Nature backup.zip Description: Zip compressed data
Re[4]: complaint: thebat portability
Hello Dave, 04. februar 2002, 13:14:12, you wrote: DC OK ... are you saying that when I backup my mail folders then if I DC need to ever do a full re-install of The Bat! then simply re-importing DC the backup will not be enough to get me up and running? What exactly DC is stored in the Reg that would be important to me? I basically need DC all my mail and my signature/s ... can't think of anything else. Those two batch files save you from two things: - creating a dummy account after installation (you don't even need to re-install The Bat, just restore the backup) - re-entering your registration code -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/34 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] Good times end too quickly. Bad times go on forever. -- Time Observation -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
Hi ::Andrew::, On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 06:10:07 [GMT +], you wrote: A Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it A would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily. A I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has brought A home just how much of a pain the current system is. I have both my TB! installation directory and my mail base on my D: drive. TB! uses 2 places to store its configuration, in the registry, HKCU/Software/RIT and in some INI files in the mail directory. When I plan on re-installing my OS, I backup the HKCU/Software/RIT key. All you have to do then is to import the .reg file to get your Bat back. I admit that this is not an easy solution, but I like it, because it's fast and reliable. -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.54 Beta/34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
On 03 February 2002 at 06:10 ::Andrew:: wrote: Hello tbudl, Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily. I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has brought home just how much of a pain the current system is. 1) Point TB! at the mail folder in 'My docs' (because I keep my docs on a seperate drive when I reinstall it's unaffected). 2) Create a stupid test account just so I can get into TB! then delete it (this step may not be necessary but I've always doneit his way). 3) Try and remember the names I'd given for each account I have was it yahoo, yahoo.com, yahoo.co.uk that sort of thing. 4) Try and remember the order in which I like those accounts to display - subconciously I'm used to them being in a given order and reach for them there now. 5) Change the view so that the account tree is tall and reaches top to bottom on the left - just my pref. 6) Go through all accounts checking user names for several accounts I have user names like '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' that bat when it recovers the configs for the folders etc always drops the @domain.com bit which means I have to double check all accounts. 7) all done ... but there really should be something easier. Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived off to CD-R in case of disaster). Unfortunately the test account problem is still present - you have to create a dummy account before you get to the menus and can do the restore. I've put a feature request in to fix this (which is trivially easy!), though. Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
Hello ::Andrew::, 03. februar 2002, 7:10:07, you wrote: A Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it A would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily. A I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has A brought home just how much of a pain the current system is. It's pretty simple to port The Bat: start RegEdit, go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT and export the complete folder The Bat!. Backup your complete The Bat installation (all folders, including all Bat's files - thebat.exe, tbmapi.dll...), reformat the hard drive, restore The Bat. If you didn't put it in the same path it used before, fix the paths in the REG file, otherwise just import it back to registry. Now run The Bat. Everything is just as it was before the backup. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/34 on Windows 98 4.10.67766446. A ] One cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs -- but it is amazing how many eggs one can break without making a decent om -- Issawi's Law of Frustration -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability
Hello Alastair, Sunday, February 03, 2002, 10:32:17 AM, you wrote: AS Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and AS Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the AS accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived AS off to CD-R in case of disaster). humm well that sounds better.. better than regediting etc (which was still a step-up from where I was). Thanks for the tip. Andrew -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK Join the Power Tools Discussion: Recommended software: http://at.omic.co.uk/powertools.htm Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability
Hello Alastair, Sunday, February 03, 2002, 10:32:17 AM, you wrote: AS Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and AS Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the AS accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived AS off to CD-R in case of disaster). although thinking about it the zoot approach of holding config info in the database files location still seems more elegant. You don't have to think about back-ups and restoring because your database is a constant live back-up which can be plugged back into zoot simply by repointing at it. back-up and restore is still by the sounds of it a lot better than what I was doing... Andrew -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK Join the Power Tools Discussion: Recommended software: http://at.omic.co.uk/powertools.htm Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
On Sunday, February 03, 2002, 07:10:07, ::Andrew:: wrote: For those of you familiar with Zoot (www.zootsoftware.com) it's a dream by comparison just point it at your database files and ever configuration you made is instantly available again. Just curious: I went to the web site and didn't quite get the real pupose of that program. What does one use it for? Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany I can always get by on my good looks and charm! -- Calvin -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: complaint: thebat portability
On 03 February 2002 at 16:27 Roman wrote: On Sunday, February 03, 2002, 07:10:07, ::Andrew:: wrote: For those of you familiar with Zoot (www.zootsoftware.com) it's a dream by comparison just point it at your database files and ever configuration you made is instantly available again. Just curious: I went to the web site and didn't quite get the real pupose of that program. What does one use it for? It appears to be one of those mind mapping things, except that the nodes of the map can be made up of any (possibly Web-based) information, not just words you type in yourself. I must say the Web site would be greatly helped by screen shots; although the authors are in information management they're not handling it very well themselves! (As my mind is incapable of being mapped by anything in the normal four dimensions, I keep well away from such packages ;) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
complaint: thebat portability
Hello tbudl, Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily. I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has brought home just how much of a pain the current system is. 1) Point TB! at the mail folder in 'My docs' (because I keep my docs on a seperate drive when I reinstall it's unaffected). 2) Create a stupid test account just so I can get into TB! then delete it (this step may not be necessary but I've always doneit his way). 3) Try and remember the names I'd given for each account I have was it yahoo, yahoo.com, yahoo.co.uk that sort of thing. 4) Try and remember the order in which I like those accounts to display - subconciously I'm used to them being in a given order and reach for them there now. 5) Change the view so that the account tree is tall and reaches top to bottom on the left - just my pref. 6) Go through all accounts checking user names for several accounts I have user names like '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' that bat when it recovers the configs for the folders etc always drops the @domain.com bit which means I have to double check all accounts. 7) all done ... but there really should be something easier. For those of you familiar with Zoot (www.zootsoftware.com) it's a dream by comparison just point it at your database files and ever configuration you made is instantly available again. Surely we could improve TB! in this respect? -- Best regards, ::Andrew:: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK Join the Power Tools Discussion: Recommended software: http://www.tr1be.com/powertools/index.html Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
