Re: [TeX-music] chaotic lyric assignment
I am not quite sure what exactly your problem is: in which part does
it occur (in all of them ??) and what exactly happens??
I did notice that in the LaTeX file you have one \begin/\end{music}
environment, but none of those which are specific to mtxlatex
{score}, {Score} etc.). It is known that the old \begin/\end{music}
environment can create problems, so you shouldn't use that at all;
but where are the others??
Please give some more details!
ccn.
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Andreas Plank wrote:
Hi M-Tx'ers,
I'm using LaTeX to print a musicbook for internal usage and so i mix very different
kinds of music together. But there is a lyric problem. It appears, where it not
should be. I tried to prevent this problem by using \resetlyrics and \lyricsoff/on
but no improvement.
M-Tx,pmx -- TeX Output files looking nice, but not together in LaTeX. All songs in
attachment were produced with M-Tx or PMX. And the first song is the reason of
chaotic lyric-assignment, but I could not find out the reason. Second song (normally
with lyric): no lyric appears; third song (normally without lyrics): lyrics from
second Song appears; fourth song: lyric assignment chaotic.
Can anybody help solving this problem by looking my files, perhaps I did something
wrong
MANY thanks, Andreas
8--
Tableofcontents:
Song Zuflucht.mtx - M-Tx
Song sollsein - MusiXTeX written in LaTeX
Song irishsong.pmx
Song singHall.mtx - M-Tx
LaTeX-file with included TeX-files
8--
Zuflucht.mtx
8--
Style: Singer2
Singer2: Voices S,A; Vocal; Clefs G
Meter: C
Systems: 5
Size: 20
Indent: 0
Space: 10
Options: sx
{D}
\lyrlayout{}\ 1.Du bist mein Zu-fluchts-ort. ich ber-ge mich in dei-ner
Hand, denn du schützt mich, Herr. Wann im-mer mich Angst
be-fällt, trau-e ich auf Dich. Ja ich trau auf Dich, und
ich sa-ge: Ich bin stark in der Kraft mei-nes Herrn.
Herrn._
{E}
\lyrlayout{}\ 1.You are my hi-ding place. You al-ways fill my heart with songs
of de-liv-er-ance when-ev-er I am a-fraid. I will trust in You;
I will trust in You; let the weak say: I am strong in the strength
of my God. God._
%%Iipit80
%%\\startrule\
%%\\\nobarnumbers\
U: @^+1 a ~ ~ ~ d ~ ~ G
@+8 r4 \cchar{10}{\circleit{1}}\ e4 a.e | g.f f2 | r4 d4 g.f |
L: {D,E}
U: C ~ ~ ~ F ~ ~ d ~ ~ ~ ~ E4
f.e e.d | c2 f4.c | e.d d r8 c8 | b b b4 c d |
U: E7
e e8 e f4s gs |
U: a
a0 |
@+8 r4-6 \zchar{10}{\circleit{2}}\ e4 a.e |
LA: (2.Du bist mein)
LA: (2.You are my)
U: d ~ ~ ~ ~ G C
r4 a8 g f4 a | g0 | r4 g8 f e4 g |
U: F ~ d ~ ~ ~ E4
f2.e | d4 r4 e f | e2 e4.f |
U: E7 E7 a
V1 \sk\ e0 :| Vb2 \sk\ e0 sl e0 s Vx
V1 \sk\ e0 :| Vb2 \sk\ e0 sl e0 s Vx
8--
singHall.mtx
8--
Style: Singer2
Singer2: Voices S,A; Vocal; Clefs G
Meter: C
Sharps: 2
Systems: 4
Size: 20
Indent: 0
Space: 8
Options: s
Pages: 1
{S}
Sing Hal-le-lu-ja to the Lord
Sing Hal-le-lu-ja_
Hal-le-lu-ja!
Sing Hal-le-lu-ja to the Lord_
{A}
Sing Hal-le-lu-ja to the Lord
Sing Hal-le-lu-ja to the Lord_
Sing Hal-le-lu_ ja
Sing Hal-le-lu_ ja
Sing Hal-le-lu-ja to the Lord_
%%\\startrule\
%%\\\nobarnumbers\
%%K-1+1
U: @v+20 a e a ~ ~ e
@+3 r0 | r0 | a2 e4 d | c b a c |
LS: {S}
@+4 f2 e4 d | c b a c | b0 | r0-15
L:{A}
U: a C E ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ a e
b0 | r0 | f2e+ f4 g4s | a2s b4 s c s | d0 | ce |
f2+ e4 f | a f e f | f0 t| f0 t | b2 c4 d | c s a s f2 |
U: F C a ~ ~ e ~ ~ ~ a
b0 | ae | f2 f4 f | a a a a | b0 s | b0 s |]
g2 a4 b | a s f s d2 | f2 er4 d | c b a c | b0 s | b0 s |]
8--
irishsong.pmx
8--
% Praeambel
% #Syst. #Instr. log.:_4/* log:_*/4 gedr.:_4/* gedr.:_*/4 #Auft.noten Vorz.
1 1 3 4 3 4 1 0
% #Seite #Syst/S. Druck(pt) 1.Z.Einz.(%)
1 6 20 0.0
% Instrumentennamen
t
./
Ar
%Iigut120
%Tt
%Irish Song
%Tc
%Maria Linnemann
\\font\ref=cmtt10\def\lt#1#2{\lchar{#1}{\ref#2 }}\def\bs{$\backslash$}\
\\startrule\
\\nobarnumbers\
r4-7 | \lt{-5}{0}\ a2d | \lt{2}{2}\ a+d| d-d | ad //
a44 | \lt{6}{0}\ e+ e e | e \lt{5}{4}\ d e | \lt{7}{1}\ f e \lt{5}{4}\ d |
\lt{4}{1}\ c \lt{3}{0}\ b \lt{2}{2}\ a /
\lt
Re: [TeX-music] french quotation marks in lyrics
You misssed Olivier Vogels message on this just this week (Oct. 15)!! But you will find it in the archive. ccn. -- On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Simon Dreher wrote: Hello, how can I get guilemets in lyrics instead of the english quotation marks? Best regards, Simon ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music -- Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-music] RE: PMX manual: New manual coming up soon ...
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Don Simons wrote: Luigi's manual is a wonderful thing, because it includes visual examples (cut) In fact, I'm one of the few who has seen the result of the full cycle, because one of our list members has already translated Luigi's manual back into English (but hasn't finished working on it) (cut) THAT'S ME! (and some of you know that this has been in the making for some time). So, in the light of the recent thread on this subject, here is an (inofficial) public announcement: Yet another `new' manual for PMX (in English) will be available shortly (I hope around Sep 15). Its starting point was Luigis manual in Italian, and in a sense it is indeed a retranslation, and the majority of Luigis examples are included (but also many new ones). The philosophy of it (identical to Luigis) is somewhere between a user's manual and a reference guide, somewhere along the lines of the LaTeX manual by Leslie Lamport, so both a PMX beginner and the occasional user who has forgotten all the details can find her way with it. As Don has pointed out, it will be up to date (PMX version 2.4.11 as of today), and that means it also describes all the recent changes (advances) regarding slurs. An important difference to both Dons original and Luigis manual: it finally has an INDEX. Don has proof-read the manual thorougly and has approved it, so I hope it may be useful to many people --- but that's for you to judge. IMPORTANT: Anybody interested in looking at this manual ahead of time (and giving her heart out in criticism) should ask me, and I'll be happy to send a personal, pre-publication copy (i.e. the draft version as of today) under the strict condition that it not be redistributed at this time. ccn. -- Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] musixper and PMX
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Stefan Svensson wrote: I want to typeset drums and percussions, but I can't find any information how to do this in PMX (unless I use lots and lots of inline TeX). Is this possible? Stefan pmx (and musixtex as well!) ALWAYS uses 5-line staves, so unless you can get along with that, there's no way. Also, I am not aware of any of the special fonts (even in musixtex) you would need for the various percussion notations, so I guess you are stuck here. Perhaps someone could start the brave effort of writing a percussion add-on to musixtex ?? Once that's in place, I don't think the problem of adding in into pmx would be unsurmountable ... ccn. -- Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Text below a score
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Hermann Hinsch wrote:
How can I put normal text in PMX below the last system on a page for example
for additional explications?
Hermann
I don't think PMX provides an explicit tool for that. However, to add
text after the end of the whole piece, simply do the following:
(i) if you use plain TeX:
after going through PMX and the TeX/musixflex/TeX cycle, edit
the .tex file by hand, replacing the next-to-last line
(\vfill\eject\endmuflex --- it comes right after \Endpiece)
by whatever text you want to add,
(ii) if you use LaTeX: add your text after the \begin{music} ...
\end{music} environment.
If you want to add text at the bottom of a single page of a longer
piece, you will have to break up your music into appropriate parts and
PMX each part separately. This may become tedious, but usually is still
at lot simpler than using musixtex directly (without the PMX
preprocessor).
If you have several smaller pieces of music (each less than a page) in a
longer text, your layout work will be simplified tremendously if you
compile each piece of music separately, create an .eps file for each,
and include those with the LaTeX \includegraphics command.
It would, of course, be great if PMX/musixTeX and LaTeX could be
genuinely merged, but that is a project that exists only as a hope in
my mind ...
Hope this hilft.
And give my regards to my alma mater!
ccn.
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Re: [TeX-music] PMX horizontal spacing problem
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Zhanyong Wan wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to MusiXTeX and PMX, so forgive me if this question has been
answered before.
I'm using MiKTeX 2.2 on a Windows XP Professional machine. I installed the
musixtex and musixps packages via MiKTeX Package Manager today, and it seems
to work fine. Then I got PMX 2.40 (Windows binary) from
http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/indexmt6.html. I tried the
barsant.pmx example coming with it. All steps finished without an error,
but in the result .dvi, the notes all overlap together -- the horizontal
space between the notes is way too small. I don't see this problem if I
create a .tex file using musixtex directly, so I assume the problem is
within PMX. Anyone has any clue? Thanks!
FYI, I was able to get more reasonable horizontal spacing between notes by
adding this line to the .tex file generated by pmxab, immediately after the
'\input pmx' line:
\def\pnotes#1{\vnotes30\elemskip}
However, the space between a bar and the following note is still too small.
Any help is appreciated!
- Zhanyong Wan
Did you run musixflex? Standard procedure is
1. pmx myfile
2. tex myfile
3. musixflx myfile
4. tex myfile
5. dvipsmyfile
hope this helps.
ccn.
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Re: [TeX-music] pmx/musixtex bug?
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Bernhard Lang wrote: hi all The following excerpt yields a [][][][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] when PMXing it and the dot of the r9d in the second voice, second block, is missing. In fact, this rest causes the spacing problem. Has anyone an idea what is going on? Is this a PMX bug, Don? (PMX 2.401, MusiXTeX(c) T.102) regards Bernhard ---pmx file--- g03 c0- | // g03d c2 | / m12/2/0/0 b0d b2 c0 c0 a0 6 g0 | // r9d c0- d0 e0 | / ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music This is really a rather strange bug/feature. Here are 3 comments: 1) I ran your example and found: (i) pmx runs without error or other problem, (ii) TeX (first pass) runs without error or other problem, and WITHOUT spacing problems (this is standard), (iii) musixflex runs without error or other problem, (iv) TeX (2nd pass) runs without error, producing your spacing problem, BUT (v) dvips makes a .ps output that looks perfecly OK!! That's strange enough as it stands, at least to me. 2) you do have a rather strange meter. I am not sure what, according to standard musical notation, the rest r9d (standing for a total of 6/2) should indeed look like. The rest I get can be seen in the attached .ps file -- is that what worries you? 3) looking at the TeX file resulting from PMX, I see two blanks in the last line (the code for the last 2 notes of the top voice}: \wh D\wh E\en% I guess they shouldnt be there, and they probably cause the spacing problem; and if that's true, its indeed a problem caused by PMX. What we are to make of this whole thing I am at a loss to say. Finally -- and this is to Bernhard personally (and has nothing to do whatever with the problem at hand) -- how is our Dresden piano maker doing now? Was our help of use and appreciated? I have had no feedback whatsoever. ccn. -- Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Incompatibity between MusiXTeX T110 and T111 / gracenote problem
Hello: Here is an entirely different problem that may (mor likely may not) have anything to do with the new versions: I find that when coding graces with more than note, PMX runs OK, but musixtex complains about undef'd \settiny and \resetsize -- ?? The simple attached gracetst.pmx shows the effect. The strange thing is: Don Simons tried to reproduce the problem; but with him my test source ran flawlessly !? I am using PMX 240.1 and musixtex 109,110, 111 (doesnt matter !). My question: (i) can anybody reproduce my error ? (ii) does anybody have an idea whats going on ? The problem surely has to do with setting the grace note sizes, and possibly with some redefinition of \Internote / \internote (???). And by the way, (iii) neither Don nor I could find the line 4418 cited below by Daniel Taupin, in any version of musixtex, nor do we understand what the issue is !!? On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Christian Mondrup wrote: Daniel Taupin wrote: Yes, there is a bug, an incompatibility with the correction required by Cornelius C. Noack [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the problem raise by Olivier Vogel. In ordrer to conciliate both, I propose the following change: 4418c4418 \noinstrum@nt1\s@l@ctinstr --- \noinstrum@nt1\s@l@ctinstr\internote\Internote Please try that ALL. If no objection, this will result in musixtex.tex version T.112 I've tried the patched musixtex.tex on various existing sources without exeperiencing any - to me - visible problems. ccn. -- Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack % what's wrong with this ?? % nstaves ninstr mtrnl mtrdl mtrnp mtrdp npickup nkeys 1 1 2 4 0 6 0 0 % npages nsystems size indent 1 1 160.0 t ./ % bar 1 is OK: G1sm2c d4 r / % but in bar 2 as in bar 3, musixtex crashes with % undef'd control sequences '\settiny', \resetsize : G2m2c d e4 r / G2sm2c d e4 r Rb /
Re: [TeX-music] Incompatibity between MusiXTeX T110 and T111 / gracenote problem
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Bernhard Lang wrote: On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Cornelius C. Noack wrote: Hello: Here is an entirely different problem that may (mor likely may not) have anything to do with the new versions: I find that when coding graces with more than note, PMX runs OK, but musixtex complains about undef'd \settiny and \resetsize -- ?? The simple attached gracetst.pmx shows the effect. The strange thing is: Don Simons tried to reproduce the problem; but with him my test source ran flawlessly !? I am using PMX 240.1 and musixtex 109,110, 111 (doesnt matter !). My question: (i) can anybody reproduce my error ? using PMX Version 2.401 and MusiXTeX(c) T.102 16 January 2001 I dont see any problem (ii) does anybody have an idea whats going on ? The problem surely has to do with setting the grace note sizes, and possibly with some redefinition of \Internote / \internote (???). And by the way, With PMX I had once a similar problem and there it was system dependend through a GNU CC compiler optimisation. But your problem seems to occure inside the TeX macros. Are you sure (stupid question) that there's not some older version of the musixtex/pmx TeX files in your search path elsewhere? regards Bernhard Thanks, Bernhard, you were right on the dot! I had old versions floating around, left over from the switch from emTeX to MikTeX.Same old stupid negligence - sorry, everybody. Problem now is gone. ccn. -- Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 Fax: 346 7872 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Free music softawres do not exist!
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:03:59 + (CET), I. Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest problem, though, is that there does not seem to exist an introductory tutorial in English, providing some simple examples how to work with pmx and MusiXTeX. I agree entirely, and as a matter of fact I was drafting a comment along the same lines in reply to Christof's post when Irwin's mail reached me. Daniel's MusixTeX manual is one of the best pieces of software documentation I've come across, but for anyone who isn't conversant with TeX to begin with, it's rather daunting to try to teach yourself MusixTeX from it. (It can be done -- I managed it, with a lot of help from listmembers and especially Werner Icking -- but it does take a fair amount of dedication.) So... is anyone already writing such a tutorial or making a New Year's resolution to do so? Or am I going to end up regressing myself to my early MusixTeX days to remember the difficulties I had, and do the deed myself? (For MusixTeX, anyway -- as I've never managed to learn PMX, someone else would have to handle that side of things.) Eva Downloadable guitar edition of J.S. Bach, Lute Suite BWV 995: http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/scores/bach/bwv995/bwv995cg.pdf -- People think that I can teach them style. What stuff it all is! Have something to say, and say it as clearly as you can. That is the only secret of style. --- Matthew Arnold (1898), quoted in David and Hilary Crystal's Words on Words (2000) ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music This whole thread sent me into a deep sigh: I promised (to Don Simons and to this list) to produce an augmented English translation of Cataldi's Italian pmx manual right after it appeared. This was about 3 months ago. I am now through with about half of it --- progress is (too) slow because I (as probably most of you other musixtex afficionados) have a completely different main job, which does need some amount of attention, too. But its coming! So my New Year's resolve to finish the manual ASAP is not totally without a realistic basis. So don't give up on me. The point raised in this thread are, of course, equally valid. Musixtex itself doesnt need (much) improvement; but its general usability certainly does! Happy New Year! ccn. -- . _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack . ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Verbatim for plain TeX?
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Does anyone know whether there exists anywhere a plain-TeX equivalent of the LaTeX verbatim environment? I've finally found a bit of spare time to start writing up a usage guide for my CG fingering macros file, and it would be useful to be able to include coding examples. I dont know of any ... I don't want to use LaTeX to write the document as I'm not keen on some of its formatting choices -- and I especially loathe the predefined font. (If someone knows an easy way to kill Computer Modern and substitute Palatino from EVERY detail of formatting in a LaTeX document, I might give it a try.) I am not sure I know what you mean by EVERY DETAIL --- but you might look at the short example in the attachment - easy enough? Doing better than that is a question of finding the fonts that suit your requirements! ccn. -- . _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack . ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Automatic line-breaking in PMX; plus a little NSwierdness
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Don Simons wrote: The Duphly piece I mentioned in my last posting raised another interesting point. I told PMX to use 3 pages and 15 systems, and here's what came out: http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/duphly/duph3.pdf Look at the line on p.3 starting with bar 79. Pretty ugly, isn't it? But this IS what PMX's basic algorithm comes up with. The easy fix would be to go to 4 pages and 16 systems. But there's another option, i.e., trying to find a better set of linebreaks. There's an undocumented command-line option -o in PMX to do just that. It activates an iterative optimization scheme that tries to find the set of line breaks that leads to the least variation in the size of \elemskip among the systems. When I ran it on this example, still with 15 systems, it gave a 50% reduction in the root-mean-square variation of \elemskip: http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/duphly/duphopt.pdf The option probably won't work if you have any forced linebreaks, which therefore means no movement breaks either. And there's also no way to preserve the new linebreaks for future runs, short of re-running the optimization or manually inserting them as forced linebreaks. In other words, it's not ready for prime-time, and at the moment I don't intend to upgrade it. But feel free to play with it as is. I think it might be a good idea to document this (and other undocumented features of pmx 2.40) in the new manual (Luigi Cataldi retranslated --- I am not yet quite done, but making good progress!), e.g. in an appendix named precisely that: undocumented features. But of course you would need to approve that. Another observation: When I use NS 4.7 with the acrobat plugin to view the above links, they look different (worse) than when I use NS to view the local copies of the SAME files. You can make the same comparison if you download and save the file. Any idea what's going on? I have Acroreader 5.0 plugged into Netscape 6.2, and I see no differences (neither on the screen nor in print) . ccn. -- . _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack . ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-music] stave-jumping beams across bar limits ?
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Don Simons wrote: Hi Don, when looking for some more examples with which to augment the already-wonderful manual by Luigi, I came across a new problem (new to me at least): PMX doesn't seem to like stave-jumping beams across bar limits. Look at the attached files (one .pmx source, 2 .ps outputs): the source in the piano part is actually identical except for the meter, but in the original I get the rather arcane PMX error message: Timing problem w/ forced beams in bar 2 , and the result is seen in hindem38.ps. Such things do occur, not only in modern polyrhythmic scores such as the one at hand. Am I missing something, or is this really a problem of PMX? If the latter is true, would some kind of ID codes (as in MusixTeX, and in PMX with slurs) be a solution that would be not too difficult to implement? Regards, ccn. -- . _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Otto-Hahn-Allee Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ... %---% % % Hindemith Oboe sonata 1938 % first 3 bars %---% % %^ % This preamble is for the original 2/4 time (with oboe): % % nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnump,mtrdenp,xmtrnum0,isig, 32 2 42 40 0 % % npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 1 1 160.1 Piano Oboe btt ./ %^ %^ % This preamble is for to 3/8 time (and piano only) %^ % %^ % nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnump,mtrdenp,xmtrnum0,isig, %^21 3 83 8 0 0 %^ % %^ % npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent %^1 1 160.1 %^ Piano %^ bt %^ ./ % % piano lh : [u g83 ]j Dmf rb8 rb8 [u f ]j rb8 rb8 [u ef ]j rb8 rb8 [u d ]j rb8 rb8 / % piano rh : rb8 [j d84 zg d zg ] rb8 [j c- zg+ c- zg+ ] rb8 [j bf- zg+ bf8- zg+ ] rb8 [j a- zg+ a- zg+ ] / % oboe : g44 Df [ g8 a ] bf4 r8 [ b1 c ] cs8 a e fn / %%% Ende %%% hindem.ps Description: Hindemith in 2/4 time hindem38.ps Description: Hindemith in artificial 3/8 time
Re: [TeX-music] music in LaTeX and vertical spacing
On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Alexandros Droseltis wrote:
Hello all!
Five months before, Rainer Dunker and Eva had sent some marvellous
macros for inserting small extracts of music in a TeX-text. Is it
possible with a small arrangement to make them fit in LaTeX too?
It would be great.
For example, the macros of Rainer:
%%%
% macro to insert lineless, clefless sequence of notes
\makeatletter
\def\notesintext#1{%
{\let\extractline\relax
\setlines10\smallmusicsize \nobarnumbers \nostartrule
\staffbotmarg0pt \setclefsymbol1\empty \global\clef@skip0pt
\startextract\addspace{-\afterruleskip}#1\zendextract}}
\makeatother
% macro adapted to insert music with clef lines:
\def\musicintext#1{%
{\let\extractline\relax
\smallmusicsize \nobarnumbers
\staffbotmarg0pt \setclefsymbol1\treblelowoct
\startextract\addspace{-\afterruleskip}#1\endextract}}
%\notesintext{%
\Notes\qu0\en\notes\Dqbu 00\en\bar\notes\Dqbu 00\Dqbu 00\en}
without clef and lines.
Here's an insert
%\musicintext{\Notes\qu{cdef}\en}
with clef and lines.
This insert
%\musicintext{\Notes\qu{cdefgfedc}\en}
contains more notes and expands to the appropriate width
automatically.
%
Thanks in advance
Alexandros
This is no problem at all --- cf. the attached LaTeX source file.
Happy MusixLaTeXing!
ccn.
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Alexandros Droseltis wrote:
One more question on the subject: these music extracts cause a
vertical spacing between the text line that is above them (TeX or
LaTeX). Could this be controlled in the macros?
Alexandros
Its easy to do that in LaTeX
(outside the music environments): just use
\vspace*{any length}
any length can be just that, e.g. -1.5mm, +20pt, or whatever.
The \vspace always goes on a line by itself, and dont forget to leave
an empty line before it.
ccn.
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Alexandros Droseltis wrote:
Thank you very much Mr. Noack, now the line and the spacing is
all right, but the previous text line (two lines before \vspace)
is aligned left, not justified, because latex thinks that a
paragraph ends there.
Well, what kind of jusification do you want? You do have tell
LaTeX some of your wishes, otherwise it does what a good book type
setter would do ...
E.g. if you want a single line (like your last) centered instead
of left-justified, you might say (at the right place)
\centering{abcd abcd ... abcd}, or \begin{center} abcd abcd ...
abcd \end{center} ;
Thank you Mr. Noack for the answer, but I think that I did not
express myself very good. If you have a look at the DVI file,
that is generated from the file MusicInText.tex that I have sent
you, you would notice that line 3 is not expanded along the line
(Blocksatz), as it should be: the whole file MusicInText.tex
should be only *one* paragraph. This is a result of the
[blank line]
\vspace...
and we added it because of the additional space that causes the
musical extract between line 3 and line 4, if the command
\vspace is not used. I'll try to make it clear: causes musical
extract = additional space between line 3 and 4. Correction:
causes with vspace noindent=two paragraphs instead of one.
Best Reagrds
Alexandros
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Alexandros Droseltis wrote:
I have found the solution: \\[-Xmm] instead of \vspace solved the
problem.
Alexandros
OK, I admit my various proposals meant too much handwork before
everything was perfect. But yours isn't perfect yet either: you have
to decide by hand where to put your line break.
So I finally wrote a mini LaTeX macro to set the inline music in a
box of adjustable height. Look at the attached LaTeX source and the
resulting .ps file!
Regards to all
ccn.
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\documentclass[12pt]{book}
\usepackage{musixtex}
% the 2 macros below are the unaltered originals by Rainer Dunker:
% macro to insert lineless, clefless sequence of notes
\makeatletter
\def\notesintext#1{%
{\let\extractline\relax
\setlines10
Re: [TeX-music] Asking questions to users
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, taupin (wanadoo-lps) wrote:
Hello, all:
Several tentative MusiXTeX used asked me whether it was possible with
MusiXTeX to select one or several instruments from a complete
orchestra/choir score.
At present time, not immediately possible unless writing macros with
sophisticated TeX \if\then_else. I'm presently thinking not exactly to
that, but to the opposite, i.e. cancelling output of one or several
selected instruments.
Two options are available:
1) One should be when using \selectinstrument, to check whether the
instrument number given is Zero, in which case all input is ignored
until a compulsory ending command sud as \endinstrument.
2) The second would test the staffnumbers of an instrument, and ignore
all notes, beams, rests, appended texts if that instrument has a number
of staffs equal to zero.
The inconvenience of the solution 1) is that, if global commands are
issued in the deleted text, they will be ignored.
The inconvenience of the solution 2) is that if involves a test at each
command, such as \qb, \qu, \zh, \zw, etc. Then, such a test could
slightly slow down the compilation.
In all cases, instrument numbers have to be defined as macros, so as to
be able to keep the number of instruments equal to what is actually
typed. For example:
\def\Orgue{1}
\def\Song{2}
\def\Flute{3}
and then alsays \selectinstrument\Orgue or \selectinstrument\Flute,
and \setstaffs\Orgue2 and \setstaffs\Flute1
Which then work whatever the actual instrument number of these two
instruments.
Which solution seems better to you (knowing that solution 2) is
easier, both for me a,d for the user).
I dont think the whole effort is worth your time: if one wants
individual instruments extracted from a full score, it is much
easier to use the pmx preprocessor, which has this facility built in
from the start.
ccn.
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Re: [TeX-music] wrong slurs
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Alexandros Droseltis wrote:
Hello all!
I have attached a .tex file, in which the slurs do not begin where they
should begin: over the first note of each group. How could it be corrected?
Thank you
Alexandros
This indeed seems to be a difficult one! I tried out writing the
same thing with pmx, and look at what pmx does with your
problem: its even far worse! (attached is both the .pmx
source, and the .tex code it produces).
ccn.
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% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnump,mtrdenp,xmtrnum0,isig,
21 3 80 00 0
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
1 1 200.07
tt
./
rbd8 ( [jl c15 g c- ] /
[l e16 g- e ]j ) rbd8 /
%
%
% MySlurs.tex
%
\input musixtex
\input pmx
\input musixmad
\normalmusicsize%
\nopagenumbers
\tracingstats=2\relax
\hsize=524pt
\vsize740pt
\def\nbinstruments{1}
\setstaffs12
\setclef1{00}
\setname1{ }
\generalsignature{ 0}%
\parindent 37pt
\elemskip1pt\afterruleskip1.000pt\beforeruleskip0pt\relax
\stafftopmarg0pt\staffbotmarg5\Interligne\interstaff{10}\relax
\readmod{MySlurs}
\startmuflex\startpiece\addspace\afterruleskip%
\znotes|\zcharnote{16}{\titles{2.0}{}{0}{}{0}{}{0}}\en%
% Bar count 1
\pnotes{1.41}\sk|\ibbl2{''b}{-1}\qb2e\qb2{`g}\isluru0e\qb2e\en%
\pnotes{1.41}\isluru1{'c}\qb2c\qb2{`g}\tbu2\qb2c|\sk\en%
\Endpiece
\vfill\eject\endmuflex
\bye
[TeX-music] problem with xtuplets in pmx
I have 2 problems in writing xtuplets in pmx, which may or may not be related. Look at the following example: % % nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnump,mtrdenp,xmtrnum0,isig, % 11 2 42 40 0 % % % % npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent % 0 6 160.12 % Violin % t % ./ % % % (t f2/% bar 1% f2x3n+2f f ) af /% bar 2% e2 /% bar 3% % % (i) Obviously, I would rather have a halfnote f in bar 2 instead of the two quarternote f's; but I don't know how to do that. The pmx manual says that it is possible to have notes of different duration in xtuplets, but doesn't tell you how to code that, (ii) once that is done, I would like the tie to extend from the halfnote f in bar 1 to the halfnote f in bar 2 (i.e. 2/3 of the triplet); but since the beginning of the xtuplet notation in pmx doesn't allow spaces, I don't know where (and how) to place the closing ). What seems to look logical, viz. (t f2 / f22x3n+2 ) af / e2 / is severely disliked by pmx. Any help anybody? Don?? Thanks, ccn. -- . _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Kufsteiner Strasse Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW-page: www-theorie.physik.uni-bremen.de/~noack ... ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] PostScript slurs
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Don Simons wrote: In the coming days I'll be looking into incorporating the postscript slurs into PMX. I haven't decided whether to make them an option, or to (cut) in which case one will need to use a real postscript viewer to see the results. For me this would pose no problem at all...I have fast processors, dvips takes just seconds at most, and gsview works fine. --Don Simons I strongly concur with the last statement: since the advent of dvips and gsview (years back!) I have stopped using any dvi viewer whatsoever --- the ps route is simple more convenient (both in Winxx and in Linux!). I encourage anybody who has not done so already to give a try, in ALL TeX-related work! ccn. -- ... _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. Noack Phones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Kufsteiner StrasseFax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-music] Re: Different keys in one score
On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, David Bobroff wrote: Thanks for your comments --- they educated me on a lot of fine points that I wasn't sure of (being an oboist and not a brass player ...) Just one small comment: This is an oversimplification. If it is transposed it is transposed. If a piece is in Eb and the trumpet/horn parts are for Eb trumpets/horns then they won't see a key signature because they are in C. Agreed, but life is more complicated. Look, e.g., at Brahms 1st symphony, in c minor: the first 2 horns are in C, the other two in e minor (and Brahms MEANT them to be played on DIFFERENT instruments, not 4 identical horns transposed differently! Orchestras bent on authentic realisations spent a lot of money buying the extra instruments necessary, and, wow: listen to the difference it makes!) , but nevertheless all 4 are denoted WITHOUT any key signature! ccn. -- ... _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. Noack Phones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Kufsteiner StrasseFax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] caesura in pmx ?
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Don Simons wrote:
Alexander Jolk wrote:
Cornelius C. Noack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
% If in pmx, you try to insert a caesura/breath after the last note
% of a bar, pmx simply ignores it: the caesura does not show up in
% the .tex file! (if you include the command in the .tex file by
% hand, it is properly executed by musixtex.)
When I ran into this problem a year ago, I eventually worked around it
by redefining the tex command for grace notes. (They are set right
before the bar line, which is where I wanted my caesura.)
% dirty trick: instead of grace notes, give me a caesura
%% {\normalnotesize\caesura}\let\grcl\grcu
e0 o_+10 \caesura\ GWxe | e4 o_+10 e4 o_+10 e4 o_+10 e4 o_+10 | e2 e2 |
Using the spacing of the Way-after grace note is a really clever
touch! But here are a few comments:
(1) In my own experiments, placing \caesura\ after the last note of a
bar has the same effect as placing it before the first note of the next
bar, provided there is a next bar in the same input block. In Neil's
original example he terminated the input block after the end-of-bar
caesura and it was completely ignored.
(2) According to the definition of \caesura in musixtex.tex, the symbol
is left-offset by 0.5\noteskip from the insertion point. To get the
desired position you could insert it on the prior note and rightshift
it, or if you put if on the 1st note of the next bar and move it as
desired, e.g.
e04 o_+10 \loffset2{\caesura}\ | e4 o_+10 e4 o_+10 e4 o_+10 e4 o_+10 |
e2 e2 /
(3) When I run Alexander's example I get two caesura's, touching each
other so they look like one thick one. The explicit \caesura\ is showing
up, 0.5\noteskip to the left of the first note in the second bar.
(4) If you want to use or adapt Alexander's suggestion, for safety you
should probably save the original definition of \grcu and then redefine
it back to the original after you use it.
(5) Alexander's solution does not give the proper positioning if used in
the middle of a bar. That's because the way-after grace note is
handled differently at the end of a bar, where it is inserted from
within a \znotes, which sets \noteskip=0pt. When used in the middle of
a bar, \noteskip is not zero and \caesura offsets the character by
.5\noteskip as it normally does.
Since this has come up several times already, I suppose I should
consider including the \caesura as an ornament in PMX (even though I've
never had occasion to use it myself).
--Don Simons
Thanks everbody for the helpful hints!
Don: 1) your point (5) is well taken; but then, in the middle of a bar,
in-line use of the regular \caesura works flawlessly, so there's
no need to bother with any extra gimmicks,
2) I strongly support the idea to include \caesura in PMX
(in whateverwhich way, as an ornament, or in a separate option
to Gw...). It's important not only as a help for performers, but
also as a way of describing a composers intentions; the most
famous example I can think of is in the last movement of
Stravinskys Symphony of Psalms (laudate, laudate, laudate
Do -- mi -- \caesura num.
But if/when you make it available in PMX, please remember to
include \cbreath as well; I myself found \cbreath
[in the form of \def\Sbreath{\adv@box{\raise\si@\internote
\hbox\@to\noteskip{\hss\bigfont'\hss}}}
instead of the regular musixtex
\def\cbreath{\adv@box{\raise\si@\internote
\hbox\@to\noteskip{\hss\BIGfont'\hss}}} ]
more esthetically pleasing than a \caesura in most cases,
3) when I tried Alexanders trick, I first inserted the redefined
\def\grcu#1 (by the way, why is there an argument ???) in the
preamble of pmx, instead of fiddling with musixtex.tex; but that
was somehow completely ignored: I got a regular way-after grace
note instead. It's not so important; but: why ?? (When I change
replace the \def in musixtex.tex, it works).
By the way: general thanks for all your good work!
ccn
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[TeX-music] caesura in pmx ?
% Hi everybody, % % If in pmx, you try to insert a caesura/breath after the % last note of a bar, pmx simply ignores it: the caesura % does not show up in the .tex file! (if you include the % command in the .tex file by hand, it is properly executed % by musixtex.) % % % Is there a reason why this should be so (I can't think of % any ...). Does anybody (Don ??) know a workaround? % % Here is a simple example: %%% % % nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnump,mtrdenp,xmtrnum0,isig, 11 4 44 40 0 % % npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 0 5 16 0.12 voice t ./ c45 c \caesura\ c c/ cc c \cbreath\ c/ cc c c \caesura\ / cc c c \cbreath\ / %%% % ccn. ... _|_ / | \ \_|_/Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. Noack Phones: _|_ __ Inst. f. Theor. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |__| |__/ Kufsteiner StrasseFax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |__/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] A meter change to C
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Christian Mondrup wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Alexander V. Voinov wrote: Hi All, I have to change meter in the middle of the piece to C. With my current knowledge I can only do m2/2/2/2 (in all voices). All attempts to do something like mC/C or m2/2/C, etc, fail. Please help if it's really possible. It is, in M-Tx notation: Style: solo Meter: 3/4 Bars/Line: 3 g4 g g | g4 g g | g4 g g | g4 g g | m4/4/0/6 g g g g | g g g g | g g g g | g g g g See pmx documentation 2.1 So far so good. But what about my question (a week ago) about polyrhythmic meter changes, differently for different voices ?? Nobody answered that one, so here it is again: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 9 21:38:45 2001 Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:38:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Cornelius C. Noack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Don Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TeX-music] yet another question (to be answered in the tricks archive?!) Before asking, all the thanks to Don for the wonderful pmx!! Question: how can one change the meter for each instrument individually, for coding polyrythmic music in pmx ? What I mean is have voice 1 play in 4/4, voice 2 in 3/4, voice 3 in 5/5 etc. This occurs not only in 20th century music (Stravinsky, Messiaen etc.), but even Mozart did this (e.g. in quartet KV 370, last movement, which is generally in 6/8, but in midstream the oboe changes to 4/4 (per bar), while the other 3 voices continue in 6/8! I always knew this was hard to play, but now I find it even hard to write down!). Is there a solution? A somewhat related question: the pmx manual says that the last note of an xtuplet can not be a rest. But this occurs quite often in musical practice, e.g in triplets, of which only the first 2 notes are sounded. Why the restriction in pmx? Thanks again! ccn . _|_ / | \ \_|_/ Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ ___ Inst. f. Theoret. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |___| |___/ Kufsteiner Strasse Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |___/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHBE-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] . ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-music] yet another question (to be answered in the tricks archive?!)
Before asking, all the thanks to Don for the wonderful pmx!! Question: how can one change the meter for each instrument individually, for coding polyrythmic music in pmx ? What I mean is have voice 1 play in 4/4, voice 2 in 3/4, voice 3 in 5/5 etc. This occurs not only in 20th century music (Stravinsky, Messiaen etc.), but even Mozart did this (e.g. in quartet KV 370, last movement, which is generally in 6/8, but in midstream the oboe changes to 4/4 (per bar), while the other 3 voices continue in 6/8! I always knew this was hard to play, but now I find it even hard to write down!). Is there a solution? A somewhat related question: the pmx manual says that the last note of an xtuplet can not be a rest. But this occurs quite often in musical practice, e.g in triplets, of which only the first 2 notes are sounded. Why the restriction in pmx? Thanks again! ccn . _|_ / | \ \_|_/ Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ ___ Inst. f. Theoret. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |___| |___/ Kufsteiner Strasse Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |___/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHBE-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] . ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Gzip revisited
. _|_ / | \ \_|_/ Prof.Dr. Cornelius C. NoackPhones: _|_ ___ Inst. f. Theoret. Physik FB 1 office : +49 (421) 218-2427 | | | \ Universitat Bremen secretary: -2422 |___| |___/ Kufsteiner Strasse Fax : -4869 | | | \ D - 28334 Bremen home : +49 (421) 34 22 36 | | |___/ Fax: 346 7872 PhyHBE-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] . On Tue, 8 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:06:30 +0200, Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the .ps.gz cause so much trouble that you have to read extra instructions to be able to setup your browser, then we should maybe return to plain .ps files as the default? Taking up this thread again somewhat belatedly, I would strongly urge that we abandon gzipped files in favour of plain .ps, or, if necessary, Zip files. I just received feedback from another guitarist who downloaded my transcription, and he had quite a difficult time persuading his Apple Mac to display and print the gzipped version. He was actually quite acid about the format alienating potential archive visitors, as he had to find and install a utility that would open gzips, while apps to read plain postscript files and open Zip files would have been ready to hand. I think we should take this seriously and reconsider the Gzip format. Eva I completely agree !! I see no reason whatsoever to prefer Gzip to Zip. ccn ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
