Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
Hermann Hinsch wrote on Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:18:43 +0100: > Usually I use Linux, but I installed LiveTeX just for interest on Windows 7. > After making the same modification as you and using barsant.pmx as testfile > pmx2pdf works fine. Then I created barsant.dvi by pmxab barsant, etex > barsant, > musixflx barsant, etex barsant. Starting dviout I got "did not find > psslurs.pro" > although psslurs.pro exist in ...\texmf-dist\dvips\musixtex\. According with > my linux-installation I inserted ...\texmf-dist\dvips\pstricks\ and copied > psslurs.pro into, but dviout gives the same error message. I think that this > is a problem of dviout itself because dvips for example finds the correct > place > of psslurs.pro and works as it should. > > Hermann Hinsch psslurs.pro (PS-slurs type K) depends on dvips very deeply. No other dviwares nor pdfTeX can produce the desired result. Simply use dvips as far as you use PS-slurs type K. Otherwise, disable PS-slurs during testing and previewing. PS-slurs type M even can work on dviout, however, I do not recommend using dviout *for the purpose of PS-slurs M*. For details, see the bottom of http://homepage1.nifty.com/kuuku/pub/musixtex/musixpss/musixpss-hints-e.html Note that dviout is designed mainly for normal writing a text/article/book with some inclusion of already-finished drawings. Best regards, Hiroaki MORIMOTO Tokyo, Japan --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
>|> dviout isn't in TeXLive. You'd have to look at the documentation and >|> find out how to configure it to search for files like psslurs.pro. >| >|it certainly _looks_ as if it _is_ in tex live: >| >| 2012/05/15 |2235244 | >| systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/dviout.win32.tar.xz Aha! It's in TeXLive *on Windows*; not surprisingly, it seems to have trouble with Postscript specials, even with ghostscript installed. Herman: Is there some reason why you prefer to work with dvi files rather than Postscript or PDF? dvi really isn't a good format if you're using Postscript slurs. BTW, the -s option to pmx2pdf will cause processing to "stop" at the dvi file. Do pmx2pdf -h to see all the options. Bob T. --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
Bob Tennent wrote: > >|Usually I use Linux, but I installed LiveTeX just for interest > >|on Windows 7. After making the same modification as you and > >|using barsant.pmx as testfile pmx2pdf works fine. Then I created > >|barsant.dvi by pmxab barsant, etex barsant, musixflx barsant, etex > >|barsant. Starting dviout I got "did not find psslurs.pro" although > >|psslurs.pro exist in ...\texmf-dist\dvips\musixtex\. According with > >|my linux-installation I inserted ...\texmf-dist\dvips\pstricks\ and > >|copied psslurs.pro into, but dviout gives the same error message. > >|I think that this is a problem of dviout itself because dvips for > >|example finds the correct place of psslurs.pro and works as it > >|should. > > Hermann: You should *not* be making changes to TeXLive's texmf-dist. > Create a personal texmf tree and add missing files there. agreed (though i've not been following this thread in detail. > dviout isn't in TeXLive. You'd have to look at the documentation and > find out how to configure it to search for files like psslurs.pro. it certainly _looks_ as if it _is_ in tex live: 2012/05/15 |2235244 | systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/dviout.win32.tar.xz indeed, i thought we got it on ctan because it was going to be the "standard" dvi processor under widnoze. however, i've not used tl under widnoze (i have a miktex install on one of my machines, but i don't use it much). robin the ctan bitminer --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
>|Usually I use Linux, but I installed LiveTeX just for interest >|on Windows 7. After making the same modification as you and >|using barsant.pmx as testfile pmx2pdf works fine. Then I created >|barsant.dvi by pmxab barsant, etex barsant, musixflx barsant, etex >|barsant. Starting dviout I got "did not find psslurs.pro" although >|psslurs.pro exist in ...\texmf-dist\dvips\musixtex\. According with >|my linux-installation I inserted ...\texmf-dist\dvips\pstricks\ and >|copied psslurs.pro into, but dviout gives the same error message. >|I think that this is a problem of dviout itself because dvips for >|example finds the correct place of psslurs.pro and works as it >|should. Hermann: You should *not* be making changes to TeXLive's texmf-dist. Create a personal texmf tree and add missing files there. dviout isn't in TeXLive. You'd have to look at the documentation and find out how to configure it to search for files like psslurs.pro. Bob T. --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
Am Dienstag, 1. Januar 2013, 12:47:04 schrieb Don Simons: > Bob Tennent wrote > > > >|It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours > > > >You can select which "collection" to install. A full install > >is indeed massive. > > Yep, 3.3 GB, ~110,000 files !!! Turns out you need to run the "advanced" > install batch script to be able to select options. With the "minimal" > scheme, augmented only by the "music typesetting" package, and with twice as > fast a download speed (10 Mbps), that took ~10 min, downloading 14000 > files, 300 MB. > > > >|By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into > > >|c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx > > > >Not the right place. I believe the TDS zip file somehow didn't > >get installed at CTAN though I think it was uploaded; that meant > >that TeXLive developers had to guess where to put files and it was > >incorrectly assumed that pmx.tex was documentation. > > I created folder c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pmx, moved pmx.tex > there, and updated the filename database using the Windows GUI that had been > installed in the start menu. pmx2pdf then worked just fine. > > So although not a dream, I'll grant that it was not too bad snooze. Still, a > total novice would have been completely flummoxed. > > Would the fact that no one we know about had yet reported the mislocation of > pmx.tex suggest that no one else (including the TeXLive developers) had > ever tried installing and running pmx in Windoze from this version of > TeXLive? > > --Don Simons > Usually I use Linux, but I installed LiveTeX just for interest on Windows 7. After making the same modification as you and using barsant.pmx as testfile pmx2pdf works fine. Then I created barsant.dvi by pmxab barsant, etex barsant, musixflx barsant, etex barsant. Starting dviout I got "did not find psslurs.pro" although psslurs.pro exist in ...\texmf-dist\dvips\musixtex\. According with my linux-installation I inserted ...\texmf-dist\dvips\pstricks\ and copied psslurs.pro into, but dviout gives the same error message. I think that this is a problem of dviout itself because dvips for example finds the correct place of psslurs.pro and works as it should. Hermann Hinsch > > --- > TeX-music@tug.org mailing list > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
>|So although not a dream, I'll grant that it was not too bad snooze. >|Still, a total novice would have been completely flummoxed. I agree and it shouldn't have happened; but such things do happen. >|Would the fact that no one we know about had yet reported the >|mislocation of pmx.tex suggest that no one else (including the >|TeXLive developers) had ever tried installing and running pmx in >|Windoze from this version of TeXLive? TeXLive supports dozens of architectures and this issue would have affected all of them. It's not surprising that the TeXLive developers wouldn't have tried running pmx. And I'm sure I tried but didn't notice that pmx.tex wasn't from texmf-dist as it should have been; I had to delete pmx.tex from my working directory and from a personal texmf tree before kpsewhich pmx.tex came up empty. It's a little surprising that nobody else noticed the problem but they might be the completely flummoxed total novices who wouldn't have known to whom to complain. Bob T. --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
Bob Tennent wrote > >|It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours > >You can select which "collection" to install. A full install >is indeed massive. > Yep, 3.3 GB, ~110,000 files !!! Turns out you need to run the "advanced" install batch script to be able to select options. With the "minimal" scheme, augmented only by the "music typesetting" package, and with twice as fast a download speed (10 Mbps), that took ~10 min, downloading 14000 files, 300 MB. > >|By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into > >|c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx > >Not the right place. I believe the TDS zip file somehow didn't >get installed at CTAN though I think it was uploaded; that meant >that TeXLive developers had to guess where to put files and it was >incorrectly assumed that pmx.tex was documentation. I created folder c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/pmx, moved pmx.tex there, and updated the filename database using the Windows GUI that had been installed in the start menu. pmx2pdf then worked just fine. So although not a dream, I'll grant that it was not too bad snooze. Still, a total novice would have been completely flummoxed. Would the fact that no one we know about had yet reported the mislocation of pmx.tex suggest that no one else (including the TeXLive developers) had ever tried installing and running pmx in Windoze from this version of TeXLive? --Don Simons --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
>|It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours You can select which "collection" to install. A full install is indeed massive. >|By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into >|c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx Not the right place. I believe the TDS zip file somehow didn't get installed at CTAN though I think it was uploaded; that meant that TeXLive developers had to guess where to put files and it was incorrectly assumed that pmx.tex was documentation. Yesterday I uploaded version 2.6.19 to CTAN but I don't think Robin has installed it yet. And because that includes a new pmxab, texlive won't install it until texlive-2013. Really bad timing here. >|On a related note, and before I did the above test, I was explaining to a >|Mac-head friend about the supposedly new and seamless way that people can >|get tex, musixtex, and pmx from online archives. To my surprise he >|wanted to >|test it out, and did a default install of MacTeX on the spot. After it >|finished (in about 15 minutes), I had him search his hard drive for >|pmx.tex >|and musixtex.tex, and he didn't find either one. Sounds like he did a "minimal" install, which is at the other extreme. What he should in principle do now is install the necessary packages tlmgr install musixtex musixtex-fonts pmx m-tx or all the music-related packages: tlmgr install collection-music. But it's likely that pmx.tex will be in the wrong location. Thanks for the report. I'll try and get it fixed ASAP. If you copy c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx/pmx.tex to your working directory, everything should work. Bob T. --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
Am 01.01.2013 05:45, schrieb Don Simons: > After Dirk's ringing endorsement, I decided to try out TeXLive in Windoze > XT. Under Win, usually MikTeX is recommended (which also has pmx & m-tx as packages). Its package manager is quite intuitive for win users :-) - and the installation is very easy since decades. > It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours, evidently > downloading all of the thousands of individual files one at a time > (uncompressed?), limited by a 5 Mbps connection. When you do the /full/ installation, you get some gigabyte of packages, no matter if compressed or uncompressed, as the tug installation media changed from several CDs to a DVD (there are several tex engines, different macro pakages, helper programs and thousands of packages, fonts etc. - but then you could even set klingon music with additional texts in runes and the japanese and arabic translations ;-) ). Isn't there a "basic" or "minimal" installation? > I did confirm that > pmxab.exe and pmx2pdf.exe were in a bin directory that had been put in the > path. Opened a command window, went to a folder containing test.pmx, and > typed pmx2pdf test. It ran pmxab OK, created test.tex, started up etex, > found musixtex.tex in folder > c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/musixtex, then when it came to > "\input pmx", stopped with the message > > ! I can't find file 'pmx' > > By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into > c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx > This doesn't seem like a place where tex files should go no matter whose > conventions you're following. This is definitely a bug. > I'm writing this email after about 30 minutes > of fruitless searching for instructions about how to find out what folders > are being searched, tell the system where the file is if its folder is not > in the list, and then "update the filename database" (all things I know how > to do in MiKTeX). > > If anyone cares to tell me how to do that in TeXLive, I'd appreciate it, and > perhaps comment on why pmx.tex is in that particular folder. Meanwhile I'll > probably continue searching and experimenting. But this is not my idea of a > dream. Unfortunately I have texlive only installed via debian packages, and there some packages (as pmx and m-tx) are separately handled by the debian package management. On tex-level, you can always type texhash in a command windows, that re-creates the package data base. But there must also be a command option of tlmgr or a button in tlmgr --gui (or how you get the gui of the texlive manager - should also have an entry in the start menu). I would also first of all do a full update of any outdated package via the tlmgr, at least from miktex I know that bugfixes of a single latex package take some time to get into the windows installers. > On a related note, and before I did the above test, I was explaining to a > Mac-head friend about the supposedly new and seamless way that people can > get tex, musixtex, and pmx from online archives. To my surprise he wanted to > test it out, and did a default install of MacTeX on the spot. After it > finished (in about 15 minutes), I had him search his hard drive for pmx.tex > and musixtex.tex, and he didn't find either one. Did he also install the corresponding texlive packages? An installation of full texlive in 15 minutes would be increadibel fast - I suppose he just installed the basic tex engine with the most basic latex packages. That is enough for the classic "hello world" example of a latex document (but for extra features like music notation you will need extra packages). I hope you get the installation working soon. Cheers, Simon --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] Dream?
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012, Don Simons wrote: After Dirk's ringing endorsement, I decided to try out TeXLive in Windoze XT. It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours, evidently downloading all of the thousands of individual files one at a time (uncompressed?), limited by a 5 Mbps connection. I did confirm that pmxab.exe and pmx2pdf.exe were in a bin directory that had been put in the path. Opened a command window, went to a folder containing test.pmx, and typed pmx2pdf test. It ran pmxab OK, created test.tex, started up etex, found musixtex.tex in folder c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/musixtex, then when it came to "\input pmx", stopped with the message ! I can't find file 'pmx' By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx This doesn't seem like a place where tex files should go no matter whose conventions you're following. I'm writing this email after about 30 minutes of fruitless searching for instructions about how to find out what folders are being searched, tell the system where the file is if its folder is not in the list, and then "update the filename database" (all things I know how to do in MiKTeX). If anyone cares to tell me how to do that in TeXLive, I'd appreciate it, and perhaps comment on why pmx.tex is in that particular folder. Meanwhile I'll probably continue searching and experimenting. But this is not my idea of a dream. On a related note, and before I did the above test, I was explaining to a Mac-head friend about the supposedly new and seamless way that people can get tex, musixtex, and pmx from online archives. To my surprise he wanted to test it out, and did a default install of MacTeX on the spot. After it finished (in about 15 minutes), I had him search his hard drive for pmx.tex and musixtex.tex, and he didn't find either one. i guess that http://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/texlive-en/texlive-en.html#x1-560007.1 was of no help, right ? anyway, why not asking that question in the texlive mailing lists ? http://www.tug.org/texlive/lists.html Vincent Torri --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[Tex-music] Dream?
After Dirk's ringing endorsement, I decided to try out TeXLive in Windoze XT. It did appear to install OK, although it took 3 hours, evidently downloading all of the thousands of individual files one at a time (uncompressed?), limited by a 5 Mbps connection. I did confirm that pmxab.exe and pmx2pdf.exe were in a bin directory that had been put in the path. Opened a command window, went to a folder containing test.pmx, and typed pmx2pdf test. It ran pmxab OK, created test.tex, started up etex, found musixtex.tex in folder c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/generic/musixtex, then when it came to "\input pmx", stopped with the message ! I can't find file 'pmx' By searching, I found that pmx.tex had been put into c:/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/doc/generic/pmx This doesn't seem like a place where tex files should go no matter whose conventions you're following. I'm writing this email after about 30 minutes of fruitless searching for instructions about how to find out what folders are being searched, tell the system where the file is if its folder is not in the list, and then "update the filename database" (all things I know how to do in MiKTeX). If anyone cares to tell me how to do that in TeXLive, I'd appreciate it, and perhaps comment on why pmx.tex is in that particular folder. Meanwhile I'll probably continue searching and experimenting. But this is not my idea of a dream. On a related note, and before I did the above test, I was explaining to a Mac-head friend about the supposedly new and seamless way that people can get tex, musixtex, and pmx from online archives. To my surprise he wanted to test it out, and did a default install of MacTeX on the spot. After it finished (in about 15 minutes), I had him search his hard drive for pmx.tex and musixtex.tex, and he didn't find either one. --Don Simons >-Original Message- >From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Laurie >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:44 PM >To: Werner Icking Music Archive >Subject: Re: [Tex-music] New manager of the WIMA software archive > >2012/12/30 Don Simons : >> working distributions of MusiXTeX, PMX, and M-Tx are now >> reliably available from TeXLive, MiKTeX, and MACTeX, and >> that all current files are accessible in CTAN as well. So don't be >> surprised to see some changes in the upcoming weeks. > >TeXLive 2012 is a dream. You use "pmx2pdf" or "m-tx" as the >case may be, and there's not much need to know anything more >except the input language. > >However, this is the one package that one absolutely must >download and install from the original version. The repackaging >industry tends to lag behind. For example, if you use the latest >Ubuntu LTS (12.04 Precise Pangolin) you haven't got it. >--- >TeX-music@tug.org mailing list >If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to >http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
