[Texascavers] OT - cheaper gas
I filled up my tank today at $ 2.55 a gallon at a non-brand convenience store. The east side of Houston where all the petrochemical plants are has prices almost 25 cents a gallon cheaper than the west side of Houston, where $ 2.80 is more common. Baytown supposedly has a gas station selling $ 2.47, but that is a long ways from the routes I drive. DL - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT - MicroSoft Vista
I think this is new news. Microsoft has released a download that they claim improves Vista: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=938979 This update is called: Update for Windows Vista (KB938979) There is something in this download to help people with Canon digital cameras and RAW files. You still have to download all the previous updates as it not a service package. I am still not using Vista. Has anybody had any nightmare experiences with Vista yet - computer crashing, lost data, blue screen, black screen, error messages all over the screen, etc? I saw a new laptop today for $ 380 at Best Buy with no strings attached. I think once the service package comes included on the laptop, and that price includes 2 gigs of memory, I may reconsider getting a new laptop. I bet hundreds of cavers in 2009 show up to Kerrville with their Vista laptops. There were a lot of cavers with their heads buried in the laptops at the NSS Convention, but many were just putting the finishing touches on their talk that they were about to give. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - MicroSoft Vista
I got a new HP laptop with Vista Business pre-installed as an evaluation machine. 1 Gig RAM, Core 2 Duo, 2.1 GHz or so. It's horrible. I just can't understand why a machine that should be peppy is running like a dog. One mistake I made was running it it 64-bit mode. For the most part it works, but some of my favorite programs flake out under 64 bit. I'm considering re-loading under 32-bit for functionality reasons. What really gripes me about Microsoft is there is no way to swtich between 32 and 64 bit modes without a complete rebuild of the system. Turning off the Aero-glass seemed to help a little bit. Turning off all the other eye candy does make it seem more snappy, but it also makes the machine look more ancient. And forget that new security feature where it keeps asking you do you want to do this. That gets incredibly annoying. I turned it off, but I haven't used it much since. I'm thinking that may be giving me a false perception that the machine is slow. It blanks the screen, then pops up the dialog window, then blanks the screen again before going back to what you were doing. I think that screen blanking may be causing the laptop's monitor to re-synchronize, making everthing run like a turtle on allergy medication In short, I'm not impressed with Vista. I see nothing compelling that makes me want to use it (other than it looks pretty). I'm resisting the urge to downgrade that laptop to XP, hoping that things eventually improve after a few patches. Nightmares? I totally blizted a Vista machine when I tried to have it join a domain. Something really got fouled up with the security identifiers and it became unusable. I tried rebuilding it, but then it refused to power on for more than a few seconds. That's likely a hardware issue, though. I sent that one back to HP for analysis. I think I'm going to wait for Mac's Leopard for my next personal machine. George
[Texascavers] Jim Eyre's book
In the final part of British caver Jim Eyre's caving autobiography, The Game Goes On, he describes his visit to the hot tubs at the International Congress of Speleology hosted by the US in Bowling Green, Kentucky, in 1981. They had been constructed by Texas cavers, and there, One American, realising that he had a captive audience, rigged up a projector and began showing his caving slides. Anyone else suspect he knows who that was? He also mentions, in connection with the publication of his first book, The Cave Explorers, at the same time, that, The book reviews were good, even one from an American reviewer who, it was said, had never given a good review before. Hmmm. -- Bill Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Gory, Gory, what a hell of a way to die (Blood Upon the Risers)
Hi Rod, I think there are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of parodies of the original song. I think I heard the one you're talking about wa-a-a-a-y back when I was but a young sprout. I think probably a lot of groups do one. I know that, in addition to parachuters (or is that parachutists or just plain jumpers?), there is one for rock climbers as well as cavers and gradeschoolers. Probably would be an interesting study for someone interested in folk music to do a survey. Louise From:Rod Goke rod.g...@ieee.orgReply-To:rod.g...@ieee.orgTo:vivb...@att.netCC:Ted Samsel tbsam...@infionline.net, Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:Re: [Texascavers] RE: Gory, Gory, what a hell of a way to die (Blood Upon the Risers)Date:Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:39:16 -0500MIME-Version:1.0Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc6-f2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:22:39 -0700Received:(qmail 90551 invoked by uid 89); 9 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -Received:(qmail 90542 invoked by uid 31338); 9 Aug 2007 06:22:37 -When I was in grade school, there was another version of this song which was neither religious nor political. I'veforgotten (or never completely learned) most of the words, but I recall the chorus beginning withGlory, glory, hallelujah!Teacher hit me with a ruler!. . .and the first verse beginning withMine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school:. . .This version was much more popular among schoolchildren than was the official version that Vivian posted. Does anyoneremember its lyrics? Of course, times have changed, and any kid caught sing that version in school now would probably becharged with making terroristic threats.Rodvivb...@att.net wrote: Just to clear this up for our foreign born readers- The song from which all these Gory Gory lyrics are derived is The Battle Hymn of the Republic circa the US civil war. Yes it's religious. Yes it's political. It's the unofficial anthem of the Republican Party. It goes like this: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on. (Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His truth is marching on. I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on. Chorus I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my condemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel, Since God is marching on." Chorus He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on. Chorus In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on. Chorus He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave, So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave, Our God is marching on. Chorus -- Original message -- From: Ted Samsel tbsam...@infionline.net - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Just to remind us that all the beautiful things are not underground.
For all of you who are going to be out this weekend, don't forget to look up. This is supposed to be the best weekend to see the Perseid Meteor Shower. According to information on the internet: According to the best estimates, this year Earth is predicted to cut through the densest part of the Perseid stream sometime around 2 a.m. ET on Monday. That corresponds to 11 p.m. PT Sunday for those living in the western United States or Canada. Times will vary, of course,depending on your time zone and whether or not you have daylight savings time. Also, according to the web, it will be at its best this year, producing one-two meteors per minute at peak hours. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Meteor Shower
Thanks for the reminder, Louise! It's actually likely to be clear in southeast Texas, so we might see something if we can fight off the mosquitoes. Roger Moore Houston
[Texascavers] The Utah mine rescue
The news claims that rescuers have drilled into the mine near where the miners were thought to be and placed a microphone. I have been in cave passages where I could not hear a person who was in the cave, because they were around a few bends in the passage.So just because there is no sound, doesn't mean there is no hope. Also, they may be asleep, or resting to conserve energy, or maybe they are exhausted from trying to escape on their own, or from lack of food and water.Maybe they are out of light and can't find their way to the microphone.Or maybe they are dillusional and don't understand what the hole is for.Or maybe they are too injured to move towards the microphone. The other thing I wonder is how straight did they drill to hit the chamber. Don't drill wander off quite a bit, especially over 1,000 feet? Since they don't have a radio location device in the mine, I don't see how the rescuers can claim any accuracy of hitting the chamber. Am I missing something? I hope the miners are found alive and well.But I can't stop thinking about the movie, The Cave,where the miners were trapped for so long that they became troglobitic. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] The Utah mine rescue
Or they may be, God forbid, dead. After following this in the news and other mining disasters, and after watching a couple of seasons of The Deadliest Catch on the Discovery Channel, I have sworn to NEVER complain about my job. There are always worse jobs out there. My thoughts and prayers are with them and their families. Mark -Original Message- From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] The Utah mine rescue The news claims that rescuers have drilled into the mine near where the miners were thought to be and placed a microphone. I have been in cave passages where I could not hear a person who was in the cave, because they were around a few bends in the passage. So just because there is no sound, doesn't mean there is no hope. Also, they may be asleep, or resting to conserve energy, or maybe they are exhausted from trying to escape on their own, or from lack of food and water.Maybe they are out of light and can't find their way to the microphone.Or maybe they are dillusional and don't understand what the hole is for.Or maybe they are too injured to move towards the microphone. The other thing I wonder is how straight did they drill to hit the chamber. Don't drill wander off quite a bit, especially over 1,000 feet? Since they don't have a radio location device in the mine, I don't see how the rescuers can claim any accuracy of hitting the chamber. Am I missing something? I hope the miners are found alive and well.But I can't stop thinking about the movie, The Cave,where the miners were trapped for so long that they became troglobitic. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] The Utah mine rescue
Latest reports indicate that the drill hole might have missed the miners. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: The news claims that rescuers have drilled into the mine near where the miners were thought to be and placed a microphone. I have been in cave passages where I could not hear a person who was in the cave, because they were around a few bends in the passage. So just because there is no sound, doesn't mean there is no hope. Also, they may be asleep, or resting to conserve energy, or maybe they are exhausted from trying to escape on their own, or from lack of food and water. Maybe they are out of light and can't find their way to the microphone. Or maybe they are dillusional and don't understand what the hole is for. Or maybe they are too injured to move towards the microphone. The other thing I wonder is how straight did they drill to hit the chamber. Don't drill wander off quite a bit, especially over 1,000 feet? Since they don't have a radio location device in the mine, I don't see how the rescuers can claim any accuracy of hitting the chamber. Am I missing something? I hope the miners are found alive and well. But I can't stop thinking about the movie, The Cave, where the miners were trapped for so long that they became troglobitic. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] a salt cavern tour
I always thought that mine was in a salt dome into which they'd drilled a couple of wells. Into one they pump hot water and from the other they pump out near saturated brine which is then evaporated. That would make the tour a little more technical --Ediger -- Original message -- From: Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com Yeah - I'd like the low sodium tour, please! :-) Alternately, I wonder what it would take to get a job there or otherwise intern. Got that explosives permit -WaV On 8/8/07, John P. Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Do they offer a low sodium tour for half price? On 8/8/07 10:42 AM, David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: I mentioned last year that I wanted to try to organize a tour to a salt cavern. I finally got a response from United Salt Corp. http://www.unitedsalt.com/ Here is the e-mail they sent me today. We do offer field trips by appointment only. The cost is $150 per person with a maximum of 8 people per tour. Please contact Ben Straka at 936 372 3931 for scheduling. I assume this is their facility in Hockley, Texas, which is just northwest of Houston. I know of 2 or 3 cavers who have taken this tour and they said it was interesting. I would like to do this someday. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Live Texas Cavers Report
Volcano Fuego near Antigua is erupting. Beautiful site from hotel roof! Been caving near Nenton, to stay on topic... Sent while mobile. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Live Texas Cavers Report
Daily updates: www.volcanodiscovery.com/volcano-tours/volcano_news/guatemala/fuego/ --Ediger -- Original message -- From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Volcano Fuego near Antigua is erupting. Beautiful site from hotel roof! Been caving near Nenton, to stay on topic... Sent while mobile. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: a tee-pee shelter at Sam's Club
D.L. said: Sam's Club is selling a tee-pee like shelter... I saw one of these in the flesh at SERA, back in May. It looks really sexy, and draws a crowd. It's a great place to hang out on a sunny, breezy day, when you need some shade. But since it has only one side (of 6) that comes all the way to the ground, unless you are prescient enough to have pointed it in the precice direction from which the next thunder shower will come, you're gonna get wet! And maybe beand by a large pole. And chances of surviving Photo Salon '07? Zero. Alex - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] FW: Midnight Cave
I straightened this guy out on the correct cave he seeks. i.e. the one in Edwards but does anyone know who would be the proper contact for that property? Wes~ From: Brett Gonzalez gonza...@tamug.edu To: ch...@utgrotto.org Subject: Midnight Cave Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:09:52 -0500 Wes Schumacher, My name is Brett Gonzalez and I am a graduate student at Texas AM University at Galveston in the Marine Biospeleology Lab. Currently I am an officer for the Galveston Grotto and the Teaching Assistant for Dr. Tom Iliffe's Biospeleology class at Texas AM University at Galveston. I am interested in seeing if I can get in touch with the person in charge of Midnight Cave, Edwards County, TX to see if it would be possible to set something up so myself and a few other experienced cavers could come visit the cave and possibly gain enough experience with the cave in hopes that we could bring a group down to view the cave at a later date. I see on your grotto website that you have made several trips to this cave and I was hoping that you would be generous enough to give me the contact information for Midnight Cave. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Respectfully yours, Brett Gonzalez Brett Gonzalez Texas AM University at Galveston Marine Biospeleology Lab 5007 Avenue U Galveston, TX 77551 409.740.4875 949.636.9275 gonza...@tamug.edu _ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] socks for 54 degree wet caves
I like to wear neoprene socks in my caving boots whenever I know I am going to be in a cave with lots of water. http://www.sailgb.com/pi/Typhoon/flatsocks_1.jpg Neoprene socks are readily available at almost all sporting goods stores, Academy, etc. ( even Walmart ) On a recent trip into a cave with colder water, I found that my neoprene socks were not keeping my feet as warm as I would have liked. I would like to discuss this subject. I believe my socks were the ones shown below: http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/assets/prod_img/2342f.jpg Here is a possible solution to the problem: A knee-high neoprene sock: http://chotooutdoorgear.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_30products_id=19 http://chotooutdoorgear.net/shop/images/NS200.jpg At $ 50 a pair plus shipping, I think I will just let my feet get cold. What about wearing nylon dress socks or even hosiery under the neoprene socks, or even a plastic bag? [ my socks fit very tight around the ankle so I can't wear anything underneath them ] Or a polyolefin sock under or over? http://www.123scuba.com/p-BT00EUU.html There is even lycra socks: http://www.leisurepro.com/prod/FNSS.html What about Merino wool over the neoprene socks? Neoprene socks are commonly found in 3mm thickness; however you can also find them in 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 mm, 5 mm. http://www.divers-supply.com/photos/ATL50149-2.jpg [ the 7 mm usually have some kind of rubber sole and are called booties ] There is also a dry sock and a goretex sock, but I would think it would fill with water once you stepped in a deep pool. There is also a thinsulate sock, ( at $ 80.00 ), but I don't think that would work. [ maybe in some alpine or glacier cave ?? ] http://shop.divebooty.com/prodimages/lg/4869.jpg I know that some cavers have worn the Seal Skinz socks for many years.I bought a pair from one of the caving vendors a couple of years ago. I could have worn them over my neoprene socks, but I had left them at home. I am pretty sure the main problem I had was my caving boots, but since I was traveling by plane I left my rubber caving boots at home and just took my cordura hiking boots. Here is another example of the neoprene sock: http://www.amazingsocks.com/web-pid-6901-item.htm You can have neoprene socks custom made and even with 7 mm neoprene. Companies like Liquid Fit can do that. Am I leaving out anything? Any other suggestions? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] socks for 54 degree wet caves
David, I use some socks that are 90% nylon and 10% lycra under my neoprene caving socks. I found this Nike product at Academy for about $10 per pair, and originally sought them out to prevent or mitigate chafing from full-foot fins during underwater hockey games. My neoprene socks are a little worn, and let water freely circulate in oversize boots, and I found recently that the Nike socks worn as a liner help that problem a lot. I tried the plastic bag routine once and found it uncomfortable to the extent that it took away from enjoyment of the trip, although it did help keep gravel out of the boot. -Original Message- From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:08 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] socks for 54 degree wet caves I like to wear neoprene socks in my caving boots whenever I know I am going to be in a cave with lots of water. http://www.sailgb.com/pi/Typhoon/flatsocks_1.jpg Neoprene socks are readily available at almost all sporting goods stores, Academy, etc. ( even Walmart ) On a recent trip into a cave with colder water, I found that my neoprene socks were not keeping my feet as warm as I would have liked. I would like to discuss this subject. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Glory, Glory (school song)
Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! The teacher hit me with a ruler. I bopped her on the bean With a rotten tangerine And I'm not in school anymore. Seems like there was a verse or two that preceded that one. Ah, yes, I see your last line now. It was something like: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school We have (done all the something) We have broken all the rules. There my memory breaks down. BUT, Wikipedia to the rescue: --Ediger -from Wikipedia Typical lines are Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school We have vanquished every teacher - we have broken every rule We plan to kill the principal at quarter after two The school is burning down! Glory, glory, hallelujah My teacher hit me with a ruler Met her up in heaven, back in 1327 And she ain't my teacher no more NO MORE! There are many variations of this song, which nearly always leave the first two lines of the verse and chorus intact and change the third, with some variations to the fourth. Examples of variations of the verse: We have ruptured all the teachers and we've broken all the rules, And we'll go marching on! We have sliced the English teachers and have drowned them in their blood And we'll go marching on! We have forgotten our multiplication tables, eaten our teachers and their families, And we'll go marching on! Balls balls balls balls balls balls balls, And we'll go marching on! We have shot the secretary and we hung the principal Us brats keep marching on. We have smashed up all the blackboards, we have thrown out all the books The school is burning down. We have wandered down the halls writing cuss words on the walls The school is burning down. We have bound and gagged the principal and tossed him in the pool The school is burning down. We have barbecued the principal, destroyed the PTA, Our school keeps burning on. They sent us to the office, so we hung the principal, Our troops are marching on! We are killing all the teachers, we are breaking all the rules We broke into his office and we murdered the principal Our troops go marching on! We broke into his office and we tickled the principal We have tortured every teacher and we've hung the principal. We have broken every piece of chalk as well as every rule. They have taken all the teachers out and broken every rule. They have painted all the toilets black and all the lockers white. There won't be school no more! Examples of variations of the chorus: Met her at the store with a loaded .44... I hit her in the butt with a rotten coconut... I hit her in the bean with a rotten tangerine... Met her in the attic with a semi-automatic... Met her at the gate with a loaded .38... I hid behind the door with a big ole' two-by-four Shot her up to heaven with an AK47... Shot her in the bean with an M-16... Shot her out the door with a Magnum .44... Shot her in the head and the teacher dropped dead... Met her at the bank with a loaded German tank... Reform school here I come! And there ain't no teacher no more This was the version sang in Southern California in the 1960s: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school We have tortured every teacher, we have broken all the rules The boys are playing poker and the girls are shooting pool As the school is burning down Glory, glory hallelujah Teacher hit me with a ruler I hid behind the door with a loaded .44 And my teacher ain't teachin' no more Another version of this song is glory hallelujah teacher hit me with a ruler the ruler snapped in half and we all began to laugh on the last day of september A version of the first stanza not connected to school was sung by this contributor's older brother, during our childhood in the 1950s: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord He is coming round the corner in a green-and-yellow Ford He has one hand on the throttle and the other on a bottle Of Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer. The chorus would follow as: Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! Teacher hit me with a ruler I bonked her on the bean With a rotten tangerine And she kicked me out of school! [edit] -- Original message -- From: Rod Goke rod.g...@ieee.org When I was in grade school, there was another version of this song which was neither religious nor political. I've forgotten (or never completely learned) most of the words, but I recall the chorus beginning with Glory, glory, hallelujah! Teacher hit me with a ruler! . . . and the first verse beginning with Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school: . . . This version was much more popular among schoolchildren than was the official version that Vivian
[Texascavers] Message Board
There is a new message board for Texas cavers. http://texascaves.freeforums.org/ A friend of mine, Lee, set it up and invites one and all to use it. He goes by the name PaulVierulite.
[Texascavers] Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse
Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse The discussion in the press involves a lot more than basic physics. Egos, liability, and more are behind the comments reported in the press. From the physics standpoint, point-explosions (whether quarry blasts, nuclear tests, or most mine collapse) produce seismic records that are quite distinct from earthquakes. Earthquakes are messy things. They release stress that has built up along a fault over a long period of time. The fault does not tear all at once, so there is a fairly long period of time during which the rupture occurs. Once that first failure occurs, then there is a period of stress readjustment and �aftershocks� when additional failure occurs at points close to the initial fracture, which release the rest of the built-up stress. Therefore natural earthquakes produce a seismic record that is very messy and complicated, with a lot of wiggles and juggles. Point explosions are relatively neat. The seismic record produced is usually a sharp big jiggle followed by a decreasing series of smaller wiggles � like a single beat on a big drum. That is how we can tell if a foreign power makes an unreported nuclear test. Such a test does not produce the same kind of messy seismic signal as that produced by an earthquake. A large mine collapse can be somewhere in between, so it is not necessarily immediately clear what occurred. The first bang caused by the initial mine collapse can be followed by secondary collapses as stress is redistributed and adjacent parts of the mine collapse as a result. Each collapse event, however, produces a distinct and sharp signal. So the academic seismologists have very good reasons when they say �It does not look like a natural earthquake�. My bet is with them. Dirtdoc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse
And the type of mining they were doing was particularly dangerous. When they mine a vein of coal, they follow the vein leaving pillars of coal to hold up the ceiling. When the vein has played out they try to get out the last of the coal by collapsing the pillars as they retreatand sending the coal to the top on a conveyor belt. Of course, in the process, there is a lot of additional colllapse. Most of the passages are about 8' high and 18' wide--pretty roomy compared to cave passageways. The problem is, as you can ascertain, it makes for a very unstable situation. Even more, I've been concerned about the callous attitude of Bob Murray, owner of the mine. To see a bit of his attitude, check out the Salt Lake City Tribune article: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6564581 I continue to hope for the best, but fear the worst. Louise From:dirt...@comcast.netTo:Texascavers@texascavers.com (Cave Texas)Subject:[Texascavers] Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine CollapseDate:Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:42:14 +Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc3-f20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:42:56 -0700Received:(qmail 27992 invoked by uid 89); 10 Aug 2007 19:42:54 -Received:(qmail 27983 invoked by uid 31338); 10 Aug 2007 19:42:54 -Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine CollapseThe discussion in the press involves a lot more than basic physics. Egos, liability, and more are behind the comments reported in the press.From the physics standpoint, point-explosions (whether quarry blasts, nuclear tests, or most mine collapse) produce seismic records that are quite distinct from earthquakes.Earthquakes are messy things.They release stress that has built up along a fault over a long period of time.The fault does not tear all at once, so there is a fairly long period of time during which the rupture occurs.Once that first failure occurs, then there is a period of stress readjustment and �aftershocks� when additional failure occurs at points close to the initial fracture, which release the rest of the built-up stress.Therefore natural earthquakes produce a seismic record that is very messy and complicated, with a lot of wiggles and juggles.Point explosions are relatively neat.The seismic record produced is usually a sharp big jiggle followed by a decreasing series of smaller wiggles � like a single beat on a big drum.That is how we can tell if a foreign power makes an unreported nuclear test.Such a test does not produce the same kind of messy seismic signal as that produced by an earthquake.A large mine collapse can be somewhere in between, so it is not necessarily immediately clear what occurred. The first bang caused by the initial mine collapse can be followed by secondary collapses as stress is redistributed and adjacent parts of the mine collapse as a result.Each collapse event, however, produces a distinct and sharp signal.So the academic seismologists have very good reasons when they say �It does not look like a natural earthquake�.My bet is with them.Dirtdoc-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse
Yeah - I hope if they died - that it happened very, very quick. =WaV On 8/10/07, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: And the type of mining they were doing was particularly dangerous. When they mine a vein of coal, they follow the vein leaving pillars of coal to hold up the ceiling. When the vein has played out they try to get out the last of the coal by collapsing the pillars as they retreat and sending the coal to the top on a conveyor belt. Of course, in the process, there is a lot of additional colllapse. Most of the passages are about 8' high and 18' wide--pretty roomy compared to cave passageways. The problem is, as you can ascertain, it makes for a very unstable situation. Even more, I've been concerned about the callous attitude of Bob Murray, owner of the mine. To see a bit of his attitude, check out the Salt Lake City Tribune article: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6564581 I continue to hope for the best, but fear the worst. Louise -- From: *dirt...@comcast.net* To: *Texascavers@texascavers.com (Cave Texas)* Subject: *[Texascavers] Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse* Date: *Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:42:14 +* Received: *from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc3-f20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:42:56 -0700* Received: *(qmail 27992 invoked by uid 89); 10 Aug 2007 19:42:54 -* Received: *(qmail 27983 invoked by uid 31338); 10 Aug 2007 19:42:54 - * Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse The discussion in the press involves a lot more than basic physics. Egos, liability, and more are behind the comments reported in the press. From the physics standpoint, point-explosions (whether quarry blasts, nuclear tests, or most mine collapse) produce seismic records that are quite distinct from earthquakes. Earthquakes are messy things. They release stress that has built up along a fault over a long period of time. The fault does not tear all at once, so there is a fairly long period of time during which the rupture occurs. Once that first failure occurs, then there is a period of stress readjustment and aftershocks when additional failure occurs at points close to the initial fracture, which release the rest of the built-up stress. Therefore natural earthquakes produce a seismic record that is very messy and complicated, with a lot of wiggles and juggles. Point explosions are relatively neat. The seismic record produced is usually a sharp big jiggle followed by a decreasing series of smaller wiggles – like a single beat on a big drum. That is how we can tell if a foreign power makes an unreported nuclear test. Such a test does not produce the same kind of messy seismic signal as that produced by an earthquake. A large mine collapse can be somewhere in between, so it is not necessarily immediately clear what occurred. The first bang caused by the initial mine collapse can be followed by secondary collapses as stress is redistributed and adjacent parts of the mine collapse as a result. Each collapse event, however, produces a distinct and sharp signal. So the academic seismologists have very good reasons when they say It does not look like a natural earthquake. My bet is with them. Dirtdoc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
