[Texascavers] Calling Lee Jay Graves :
Does anyone have Lee Jay Grave's current phone number or email address ? Please respond off digest. Thanks, Jerry. **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[Texascavers] RE: World's deepest shaft ?
Jerry Atkinson posted: IS this the world's deepest cave? Not even close. At -1020 m (Bob Gulden's figure of record, http://www.caverbob.com/wdeep.htm) (-1026 m in Sun report), Qikeng Dong is 83rd deepest in the world. Deepest is Krubera /Voronja at -2191 m, more than _twice_ as deep! Qikeng Dong is the first 1000-m deep cave in China, however. Miao Keng (known as China's big shaft) is a 506 metre deep shaft According to Gulden's list http://www.caverbob.com/pit.htm it is a 491-m shaft, which is the figure Erin Lynch gives. She keeps the database of the Tianxing caves. It is number 7 in Gulden's list. There is even another one in China that is deeper. Deepest is Vrtoglavica in Slovenia at 603 m. I know that some of the deeper shafts are open to the surface, although Bob does not note that in his list. It is possible this is the deepest in-cave shaft. Mark Minton
texascavers Digest 30 Oct 2008 16:49:56 -0000 Issue 635
texascavers Digest 30 Oct 2008 16:49:56 - Issue 635 Topics (messages 9276 through 9287): UT Grotto meeting â October 29, 2008 9276 by: Gary Franklin TSA Officers 9277 by: Linda Palit 9279 by: Linda Palit 9284 by: Denise P 9287 by: Linda Palit Robber Baron Celebration November 8 9 9278 by: Linda Palit 9280 by: Minton, Mark Cave Species 9281 by: Linda Palit World's deepest shaft ? 9282 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com 9285 by: Minton, Mark Calling Lee Jay Graves : 9283 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com Re: ... and Longhorn Caverns Dig, Saturday, Nov. 1st 9286 by: mark.alman.l-3com.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- UT Grotto meeting – October 29, 2008 www.utgrotto.org The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html David Ochel will be sharing spectacular photos from his many recent caving trips including a visit to Arizona, O-9, and others. Please join us for Caving in no caves to speak of, and other recent caving trips After the meeting, we will adjourn to Liza Corinne's Pumpkin Carving party that will end about 10:30. Go by the HEB for a Pumpkin, then bring it to the party with a knife and make a Jack-O-Lantern Contact Gary v...@utgrotto.orgif you are interested in sharing 10 - 30 minutes of adventures from your cave related event. http://www.utgrotto.org/contacts.asp ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- B! You should be receiving your TSA ballot for 2009 officers if you did not vote at TCR. We tried to have some people vote at TCR, and to keep the records so that we would not have to be spending on so much money on mailings. If you do not receive a ballot in the next couple of days, and you feel you need one, please email me with all of your mailing information. Other complaints or comments may be sent this way also, but I may or may not be the one who can help. Please drop you cards in the mail as soon as possible, but they must be postmarked by November 10th to count. Thanks and Happy Halloween. Haunt Underground! Linda ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, Lyndon, I attempted to not send ballots to anyone who voted at TCR, and hopefully my records are accurate. We tried. But this was the first time we did it this way, so let me know if you see errors. Linda -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:18 AM To: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Officers I voted already, so don't send me one. Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- We got our ballot yesterday and it said it must be postmarked by the previous Monday to be valid. I assume that's not true? -Denise From: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:24:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers Thanks, Lyndon, I attempted to not send ballots to anyone who voted at TCR, and hopefully my records are accurate. We tried. But this was the first time we did it this way, so let me know if you see errors. Linda -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:18 AM To: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Officers I voted already, so don't send me one. Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- It must be postmarked by November 10th. I have a few blank copies and that is what they say, so hopefully everybody else's have the correct date. Sorry, Denise. Linda _ From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'TexasCavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers We got our ballot yesterday and it said it must be postmarked by the previous Monday to be valid. I assume that's not true? -Denise From: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:24:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers Thanks, Lyndon, I attempted to not send ballots to anyone who voted at TCR, and hopefully my records are accurate. We tried. But this was the first time we did it this way, so let me know if you see
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers
We got our ballot yesterday and it said it must be postmarked by the previous Monday to be valid. I assume that's not true? -Denise From: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:24:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers Thanks, Lyndon, I attempted to not send ballots to anyone who voted at TCR, and hopefully my records are accurate. We tried. But this was the first time we did it this way, so let me know if you see errors. Linda -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:18 AM To: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Officers I voted already, so don't send me one. Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers
It must be postmarked by November 10th. I have a few blank copies and that is what they say, so hopefully everybody else's have the correct date. Sorry, Denise. Linda _ From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'TexasCavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers We got our ballot yesterday and it said it must be postmarked by the previous Monday to be valid. I assume that's not true? -Denise From: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca; texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:24:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers Thanks, Lyndon, I attempted to not send ballots to anyone who voted at TCR, and hopefully my records are accurate. We tried. But this was the first time we did it this way, so let me know if you see errors. Linda -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:18 AM To: lkpa...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Officers I voted already, so don't send me one. Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers
As Linda Palit said a few days ago: You should be receiving your TSA ballot for 2009 officers if you did not vote at TCR. We tried to have some people vote at TCR, and to keep the records so that we would not have to be spending on so much money on mailings. If you do not receive a ballot in the next couple of days, and you feel you need one, please email me with all of your mailing information. Other complaints or comments may be sent this way also, but I may or may not be the one who can help. Please drop you cards in the mail as soon as possible, but they must be postmarked by November 10th to count. I will count all ballots postmarked November 10 or before. Ron _ From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'TexasCavers' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA Officers We got our ballot yesterday and it said it must be postmarked by the previous Monday to be valid. I assume that's not true? -Denise
[Texascavers] OT-Austin Halloween Party
Put on your costume and join us ghouls for a scary and enthralling Halloween Party! Where: 4811 Duval St., Austin TX (Wes and David's/ Bev's) When: 31 October, Friday, 8pm till ? What: Party, with campfire, grill, coolers - please bring a dish/drink if you canHosts: Wes and David Cheers,Denise
FW: [Texascavers] OT-Austin Halloween Party
Oops, meant to mention that this is the same party that was planned to be at Jean and Viv's but was recently relocated... -Denise From: pepabelly@hotmail.comTo: texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:25:41 +Subject: [Texascavers] OT-Austin Halloween Party Put on your costume and join us ghouls for a scary and enthralling Halloween Party! Where: 4811 Duval St., Austin TX (Wes and David's/ Bev's)When: 31 October, Friday, 8pm till ?What: Party, with campfire, grill, coolers - please bring a dish/drink if you canHosts: Wes and David Cheers,Denise
[Texascavers] cave restoration proposed in Veracruz
Sergio Humberto Aguilar Rodríguez (aguilar.ser...@gmail.com) is proposing to restore a volcanic cave in Xalapa, Veracruz, as a tourist attraction. Knowing of the work that Texas cavers have done in Bustamante, NL, he contacted the AMCS to find out if anyone has suggestions or advice. In particular, contact info for cavers in that area would probably be most useful. I am appending his proposal; Google does an apparently decent job of translating it, if necessary. -- Mixon --- PROGRAMA DE RESCATE DE LA CUEVA DE LA ORQUÍDEA, XALAPA, VER. La llamada cueva de la Orquídea, ubicada en la avenida Miguel Alemán a la altura de la subestación de la Comisión Federal de Electricidad. Esta cueva fue rehabilitada en 1996 por el H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa en conjunto con la organización Espeleover, A.C. extinta actualmente. La cueva está formada por piedra de origen volcánico y el edificio formado data de 30,000 años atrás y está asociada con la erupción del Cerro Macuiltépetl. Hoy por hoy la cueva se encuentra cerrada al público. Desde hace 5 años el Patronato para el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, A.C. trabaja con los jardineros de la cueva para el remozamiento del jardín ubicado en la parte superior y colabora en el mantenimiento de una pequeña población de Tilcampos o iguana negra (Ctenosaura similis) que se mantiene en el área. El 5 de febrero del año 2007 el Patronato para el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, A.C. propuso su reapertura al Gobernador del Estado y al Alcalde de Xalapa, a lo que se recibió respuesta positiva. Actualmente se está trabajando en un dictámen técnico para poder recibir grupos guiados a la misma que permitan enriquecer las actividades turísticas de Xalapa, creando un corredor ecoturístico que se prolongue desde el Cerro de la Galaxia, pase por el Museo de Antropología, siga hacia el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, incluyendo el área arqueológica aledaña y termine precisamente en la Cueva de la Orquídea. Se propone a la Subdirección de Medio Ambiente del H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa un trabajo conjunto con vecinos, jardineros, patronato y sociedad civil interesada a fin de invertir recursos materiales en las instalaciones. Dicha propuesta incluye la firma de un Convenio entre el H. Ayuntamiento, Gobierno del Estado y Patronato para su rescate y habilitación incluyendo a nivel básico la realización de un mapa topográfico de la cueva, el alumbrado eventual de la cueva, la adquisición de equipo de espeleología (cascos, lámparas, piolets) así como el enriquecimiento del área jardinada incluyendo baños, construcción de una cabaña de servicios para jardineros, comedero para tilcampos, bebedero de colibríes y provisión de herramientas, material y equipo. -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] cave restoration proposed in Veracruz
This dude is talking about eventually lighting up the cave and acquiring caving gear the words between parentheses say: helmets, lights and ice axes.. ICE AXES?!?!?! in a show/tourist cave? 2008/10/30 Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sergio Humberto Aguilar Rodríguez (aguilar.ser...@gmail.com) is proposing to restore a volcanic cave in Xalapa, Veracruz, as a tourist attraction. Knowing of the work that Texas cavers have done in Bustamante, NL, he contacted the AMCS to find out if anyone has suggestions or advice. In particular, contact info for cavers in that area would probably be most useful. I am appending his proposal; Google does an apparently decent job of translating it, if necessary. -- Mixon --- PROGRAMA DE RESCATE DE LA CUEVA DE LA ORQUÍDEA, XALAPA, VER. La llamada cueva de la Orquídea, ubicada en la avenida Miguel Alemán a la altura de la subestación de la Comisión Federal de Electricidad. Esta cueva fue rehabilitada en 1996 por el H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa en conjunto con la organización Espeleover, A.C. extinta actualmente. La cueva está formada por piedra de origen volcánico y el edificio formado data de 30,000 años atrás y está asociada con la erupción del Cerro Macuiltépetl. Hoy por hoy la cueva se encuentra cerrada al público. Desde hace 5 años el Patronato para el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, A.C. trabaja con los jardineros de la cueva para el remozamiento del jardín ubicado en la parte superior y colabora en el mantenimiento de una pequeña población de Tilcampos o iguana negra (Ctenosaura similis) que se mantiene en el área. El 5 de febrero del año 2007 el Patronato para el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, A.C. propuso su reapertura al Gobernador del Estado y al Alcalde de Xalapa, a lo que se recibió respuesta positiva. Actualmente se está trabajando en un dictámen técnico para poder recibir grupos guiados a la misma que permitan enriquecer las actividades turísticas de Xalapa, creando un corredor ecoturístico que se prolongue desde el Cerro de la Galaxia, pase por el Museo de Antropología, siga hacia el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, incluyendo el área arqueológica aledaña y termine precisamente en la Cueva de la Orquídea. Se propone a la Subdirección de Medio Ambiente del H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa un trabajo conjunto con vecinos, jardineros, patronato y sociedad civil interesada a fin de invertir recursos materiales en las instalaciones. Dicha propuesta incluye la firma de un Convenio entre el H. Ayuntamiento, Gobierno del Estado y Patronato para su rescate y habilitación incluyendo a nivel básico la realización de un mapa topográfico de la cueva, el alumbrado eventual de la cueva, la adquisición de equipo de espeleología (cascos, lámparas, piolets) así como el enriquecimiento del área jardinada incluyendo baños, construcción de una cabaña de servicios para jardineros, comedero para tilcampos, bebedero de colibríes y provisión de herramientas, material y equipo. -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] cave restoration proposed in Veracruz
Hey, you never know when you are going to need one to fend off those nasty mutants. Didn't you see The Descent??? - Fofo Nico Escamilla wrote: This dude is talking about eventually lighting up the cave and acquiring caving gear the words between parentheses say: helmets, lights and ice axes.. ICE AXES?!?!?! in a show/tourist cave? 2008/10/30 Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sergio Humberto Aguilar Rodr�guez (aguilar.ser...@gmail.com mailto:aguilar.ser...@gmail.com) is proposing to restore a volcanic cave in Xalapa, Veracruz, as a tourist attraction. Knowing of the work that Texas cavers have done in Bustamante, NL, he contacted the AMCS to find out if anyone has suggestions or advice. In particular, contact info for cavers in that area would probably be most useful. I am appending his proposal; Google does an apparently decent job of translating it, if necessary. -- Mixon --- PROGRAMA DE RESCATE DE LA CUEVA DE LA ORQU�DEA, XALAPA, VER. La llamada cueva de la Orqu�dea, ubicada en la avenida Miguel Alem�n a la altura de la subestaci�n de la Comisi�n Federal de Electricidad. Esta cueva fue rehabilitada en 1996 por el H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa en conjunto con la organizaci�n Espeleover, A.C. extinta actualmente. La cueva est� formada por piedra de origen volc�nico y el edificio formado data de 30,000 a�os atr�s y est� asociada con la erupci�n del Cerro Macuilt�petl. Hoy por hoy la cueva se encuentra cerrada al p�blico. Desde hace 5 a�os el Patronato para el Parque Ecol�gico Macuilt�petl, A.C. trabaja con los jardineros de la cueva para el remozamiento del jard�n ubicado en la parte superior y colabora en el mantenimiento de una peque�a poblaci�n de Tilcampos o iguana negra (Ctenosaura similis) que se mantiene en el �rea. El 5 de febrero del a�o 2007 el Patronato para el Parque Ecol�gico Macuilt�petl, A.C. propuso su reapertura al Gobernador del Estado y al Alcalde de Xalapa, a lo que se recibi� respuesta positiva. Actualmente se est� trabajando en un dict�men t�cnico para poder recibir grupos guiados a la misma que permitan enriquecer las actividades tur�sticas de Xalapa, creando un corredor ecotur�stico que se prolongue desde el Cerro de la Galaxia, pase por el Museo de Antropolog�a, siga hacia el Parque Ecol�gico Macuilt�petl, incluyendo el �rea arqueol�gica aleda�a y termine precisamente en la Cueva de la Orqu�dea. Se propone a la Subdirecci�n de Medio Ambiente del H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa un trabajo conjunto con vecinos, jardineros, patronato y sociedad civil interesada a fin de invertir recursos materiales en las instalaciones. Dicha propuesta incluye la firma de un Convenio entre el H. Ayuntamiento, Gobierno del Estado y Patronato para su rescate y habilitaci�n incluyendo a nivel b�sico la realizaci�n de un mapa topogr�fico de la cueva, el alumbrado eventual de la cueva, la adquisici�n de equipo de espeleolog�a (cascos, l�mparas, piolets) as� como el enriquecimiento del �rea jardinada incluyendo ba�os, construcci�n de una caba�a de servicios para jardineros, comedero para tilcampos, bebedero de colibr�es y provisi�n de herramientas, material y equipo. -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu mailto:bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] cave restoration proposed in Veracruz
If by nasty mutants you mean those typical Jarocho fags then by all means carry one, heck might as well carry a big Rambo knife just in case the ice axe isn't enough to deter them. better shut up now before people begin nagging me to take this to the ot section 2008/10/30 Fofo gonza...@msu.edu Hey, you never know when you are going to need one to fend off those nasty mutants. Didn't you see The Descent??? - Fofo Nico Escamilla wrote: This dude is talking about eventually lighting up the cave and acquiring caving gear the words between parentheses say: helmets, lights and ice axes.. ICE AXES?!?!?! in a show/tourist cave? 2008/10/30 Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com mailto: bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sergio Humberto Aguilar Rodríguez (aguilar.ser...@gmail.com mailto:aguilar.ser...@gmail.com) is proposing to restore a volcanic cave in Xalapa, Veracruz, as a tourist attraction. Knowing of the work that Texas cavers have done in Bustamante, NL, he contacted the AMCS to find out if anyone has suggestions or advice. In particular, contact info for cavers in that area would probably be most useful. I am appending his proposal; Google does an apparently decent job of translating it, if necessary. -- Mixon --- PROGRAMA DE RESCATE DE LA CUEVA DE LA ORQUÍDEA, XALAPA, VER. La llamada cueva de la Orquídea, ubicada en la avenida Miguel Alemán a la altura de la subestación de la Comisión Federal de Electricidad. Esta cueva fue rehabilitada en 1996 por el H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa en conjunto con la organización Espeleover, A.C. extinta actualmente. La cueva está formada por piedra de origen volcánico y el edificio formado data de 30,000 años atrás y está asociada con la erupción del Cerro Macuiltépetl. Hoy por hoy la cueva se encuentra cerrada al público. Desde hace 5 años el Patronato para el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, A.C. trabaja con los jardineros de la cueva para el remozamiento del jardín ubicado en la parte superior y colabora en el mantenimiento de una pequeña población de Tilcampos o iguana negra (Ctenosaura similis) que se mantiene en el área. El 5 de febrero del año 2007 el Patronato para el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, A.C. propuso su reapertura al Gobernador del Estado y al Alcalde de Xalapa, a lo que se recibió respuesta positiva. Actualmente se está trabajando en un dictámen técnico para poder recibir grupos guiados a la misma que permitan enriquecer las actividades turísticas de Xalapa, creando un corredor ecoturístico que se prolongue desde el Cerro de la Galaxia, pase por el Museo de Antropología, siga hacia el Parque Ecológico Macuiltépetl, incluyendo el área arqueológica aledaña y termine precisamente en la Cueva de la Orquídea. Se propone a la Subdirección de Medio Ambiente del H. Ayuntamiento de Xalapa un trabajo conjunto con vecinos, jardineros, patronato y sociedad civil interesada a fin de invertir recursos materiales en las instalaciones. Dicha propuesta incluye la firma de un Convenio entre el H. Ayuntamiento, Gobierno del Estado y Patronato para su rescate y habilitación incluyendo a nivel básico la realización de un mapa topográfico de la cueva, el alumbrado eventual de la cueva, la adquisición de equipo de espeleología (cascos, lámparas, piolets) así como el enriquecimiento del área jardinada incluyendo baños, construcción de una cabaña de servicios para jardineros, comedero para tilcampos, bebedero de colibríes y provisión de herramientas, material y equipo. -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu mailto: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org mailto:sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] ... and Longhorn Caverns Dig, Saturday, Nov. 1st
All, If you will be attending the dig this weekend, please contact me offline, as I am some phone numbers for you that you may/may not need this weekend. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:47 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ... and Longhorn Caverns Dig, Saturday, Nov. 1st Longhorn Cavern. There will be a concert in the cave Saturday night after the dig: http://www.longhorncaverns.com/schedule.html November 1, 2008 The Lonesome Heroes myspace.com/lonesomeheroes http://www.myspace.com/lonesomeheroes On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:09:58 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Also, please consider helping out with the Longhorn Cavern Dig next weekend, Saturday, November 1st. We will be meeting at the visitors' center at Longhorn Caverns State Park at 9 AM and caravan from there to the Crownover entrance needing to be dug out. Please bring any tools and equipment that you might think is necessary, i.e., shovels, buckets (lots of good, sturdy ones), pigs or sleds for hauling dirt down the passageway, pick axes, etc., as well as your own water, food, and camping gear. Lyndon Tiu will have a campsite at Inks Lake SP for those arriving Friday night or you may camp at the Longhorn Caverns SP Picnic area both nights. Lyndon will post a note at the Park Office letting you know where he is camped at. Thanks and have a good weekend! Mark Alman -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] SWR Conference talks
Still room for one or two talks--does anyone have something on the restoration project on McKittrick? Other projects? Exploration? Email me--there's still time! Jacqui ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] Chris Thibodaux
Chris - great to meet you at Jewel Cave last weekend. Hard to realize that it was 49 years ago that I started polking around in there. I found myself looking carefully at the exposures both inside the cave and in the reconstituted Minnelusa road cut on the west side of Hell Canyon. There are still quite a number of unresolved questions about the geology of the Black Hills caves. I feel moved to revisit some of them. Contact me off-line so I have your email. dirt...@comcast.net
[Texascavers] Robber Baron Celebration November 8 9
As you get ready for Halloween and associated trips this weekend, remember we have a great caving opportunity next weekend and an opportunity to help Texas Cave Management Association. An Open House will be held at Robber Baron on Saturday the 8th, and TCMA needs your help herding the neighborhood. Check out information on the cave at http://www.tcmacaves.org/robberbaron/rb_schedule.htm (note the links at the top for map and more information on the cave. It's in San Antonio, and we are celebrating a new gate and renovations on November 8th and 9th. All Texas Cavers are invited. On Saturday - * 9am to 3pm we will host the neighborhood and need assistance herding people inside the cave - you do not have to know the cave to help. We need some people stationed in specific locations. * 3pm to 6pm - Teach any caver who wants the basic lay out of the cave so you can lead your own trips in the future * 6pm to whenever - BBQ at Cave Without a Name and camping Saturday night On Sunday - We have set up a trip to Spring Creek Cave - a beautiful but easy water cave which you can visit for a short distance in caving clothes or see the entire cave if you bring a wet suit. More details will follow if you decide to come. http://www.tcmacaves.org/robberbaron/rb_schedule.html Please RSVP to me, with information as to when you will arrive and which events will you be participating in. We really need accurate counts for food, camping, and housing. Friday night if you need housing we will find you a bed or a floor. Saturday night there is camping at Cave Without a Name. It's going to be a great weekend, and we hope to see lots of Texas Cavers. Thanks! Linda
[Texascavers] RB Website wrong again
www.tcmacaves.org/robberbaron/ http://www.tcmacaves.org/robberbaron/index.html and http://www.tcmacaves.org/robberbaron/rb_schedule.html
[ot_caving] FW: THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN - POWERFUL, READ!!!!!!!!!
From: Dianne West Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:31 AM To: Kevin Michele West (kdw...@consolidated.net); West, Jason T; Rita tax Service; Fritz Holt; Sharp, Mary A.; msjohn...@comcast.net; Judith Wichman; Linda Higdon Subject: FW: THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN - POWERFUL, READ! Dianne K. West Administrative Assistant Town Country Insurance Agency 10575 Katy Freeway, Ste #150 Houston, TX 77024 713-461-8979 phone 713-464-2674 fax dw...@townandcountryins.com AMEN... TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND READ THIS LETTER. THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL, AND READ WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END. WOW! 33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official Language on June 6, 2007. On Wed. 6 June 2007, Colonel Harry Riley, USA, Ret. wrote: Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day, no less, when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character and principles of America, I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. I don't much care where you come from. What your religion is. Whether you're black, white, or some other color...male or female..Democrat, Republican or Independent... But I do care when you are a United States Senator representing Citizens of America ...and Vote against English as the official language of the United States Your vote reflects Betrayal. Political Surrender. Violates Your Pledge of Allegiance. Dishonors historical principle. Rejects Patriotism. Borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator...impeachment... RecallOr other appropriate action is warranted, or worse. Four of you voting against English as America's Official Language are Presidential Candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama. (HOW SURPRISING) Four Senators vying to lead America, but won't, or don't, have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's Official Language when 91% of American Citizens want English officially designated as our language. This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as 'political Hacks'. Unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States. If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally 'rock you out of your socks'. And preferably totally out of the United States Senate. The entire immigration bill is a farce... Your action only confirms this really isn't about America ... it is about self-serving politics..despicable at best. It has been said: 'Never argue with an idiotThey'll drag you down to their level!' PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAID: 'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damages morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, quickly tried and hanged!!!' PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING AROUND THE UNITED STATES UNTIL THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER! I'M STILL WAITHING TO SEE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PROVE HE SHOULD EVEN BE PRESIDENT. OF COURSE, WE SHOULD NO WHERE HE STANDS ANYWAY BECAUSE HE WANT EVEN PLACE HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM! I WOULD DIE FOR MY COUNTRY IF NEED BE AND IF YOU THINK OBAMA WOULD GRAB A RIFLE AND STAND WITH ME ON THE LINE, YOU ARE NUTS. WHAT A LACK OF RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY, BUT SOME OF THE MILITARY ARE BLINDED BY HIS POLISHED ACT AND ARE VOTING FOR HIM AS WELL. WHEN OBAMA TAKES AMERICA FURTHER DOWN THE MUSLIM TRAIL AWAY FROM GOD AND AMERICA SINKS FURTHER INTO THE DEPTS OF HELL; AT LEAST I CAN SAY I VOTED THE OTHER WAY. I GUESS AMERICA HAS TO GET CLOSER TO HELL BEFORE THEY SEE THE LIGHT AND TURN TO GOD! IF THIS OFFENDS ANYONE? IT SHOULD IF YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF GOD. BILLY This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal
Re: [ot_caving] FW: THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN - POWERFUL, READ!!!!!!!!!
Vote Libertarian, amen. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Dianne West Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:31 AM To: Kevin Michele West (kdw...@consolidated.net); West, Jason T; Rita tax Service; Fritz Holt; Sharp, Mary A.; msjohn...@comcast.net; Judith Wichman; Linda Higdon Subject: FW: THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN - POWERFUL, READ! Dianne K. West Administrative Assistant Town Country Insurance Agency 10575 Katy Freeway, Ste #150 Houston, TX 77024 713-461-8979 phone 713-464-2674 fax dw...@townandcountryins.com AMEN… TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND READ THIS LETTER. THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL, AND READ WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END. WOW! 33 Senators Voted Against English as America’s Official Language on June 6, 2007. On Wed. 6 June 2007, Colonel Harry Riley, USA, Ret. wrote: Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day, no less, when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character and principles of America, I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. I don't much care where you come from. What your religion is. Whether you're black, white, or some other color...male or female..Democrat, Republican or Independent... But I do care when you are a United States Senator representing Citizens of America ...and Vote against English as the official language of the United States Your vote reflects Betrayal. Political Surrender. Violates Your Pledge of Allegiance. Dishonors historical principle. Rejects Patriotism. Borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator...impeachment... RecallOr other appropriate action is warranted, or worse. Four of you voting against English as America's Official Language are Presidential Candidates: Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama. (HOW SURPRISING) Four Senators vying to lead America, but won't, or don't, have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's Official Language when 91% of American Citizens want English officially designated as our language. This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as 'political Hacks'. Unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States. If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally 'rock you out of your socks'. And preferably totally out of the United States Senate. The entire immigration bill is a farce... Your action only confirms this really isn't about America ... it is about self-serving politics..despicable at best. It has been said: 'Never argue with an idiotThey'll drag you down to their level!' PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAID: 'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damages morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, quickly tried and hanged!!!' PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING AROUND THE UNITED STATES UNTIL THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER! I’M STILL WAITHING TO SEE OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PROVE HE SHOULD EVEN BE PRESIDENT. OF COURSE, WE SHOULD NO WHERE HE STANDS ANYWAY BECAUSE HE WANT EVEN PLACE HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM! I WOULD DIE FOR MY COUNTRY IF NEED BE AND IF YOU THINK OBAMA WOULD GRAB A RIFLE AND STAND WITH ME ON THE LINE, YOU ARE NUTS. WHAT A LACK OF RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY, BUT SOME OF THE MILITARY ARE BLINDED BY HIS POLISHED ACT AND ARE VOTING FOR HIM AS WELL. WHEN OBAMA TAKES AMERICA FURTHER DOWN THE MUSLIM TRAIL AWAY FROM GOD AND AMERICA SINKS FURTHER INTO THE DEPTS OF HELL; AT LEAST I CAN SAY I VOTED THE OTHER WAY. I GUESS AMERICA HAS TO GET CLOSER TO HELL BEFORE THEY SEE THE LIGHT AND TURN TO GOD! IF THIS OFFENDS ANYONE? IT SHOULD IF YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF GOD. BILLY This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ze: 12.0pt;font-family:Times New Roman'This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal
Re: [ot_caving] FW: THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN - POWERFUL, READ!!!!!!!!!
This post brings to mind a particular quote from Albert Einstein: Great spirits have always encountered violent *opposition* from *mediocre minds*. -WaV On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: -- *From:* Dianne West *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:31 AM *To:* Kevin Michele West (kdw...@consolidated.net); West, Jason T; Rita tax Service; Fritz Holt; Sharp, Mary A.; msjohn...@comcast.net; Judith Wichman; Linda Higdon *Subject:* FW: THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN - POWERFUL, READ! Dianne K. West Administrative Assistant Town Country Insurance Agency 10575 Katy Freeway, Ste #150 Houston, TX 77024 713-461-8979 phone 713-464-2674 fax dw...@townandcountryins.com AMEN… TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND READ THIS LETTER. THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL, AND READ WHAT LINCOLN HAD TO SAY AT THE END. WOW! 33 Senators Voted Against English as America's Official Language on June 6, 2007. On Wed. 6 June 2007, Colonel Harry Riley, USA, Ret. wrote: Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348to make English America's official language is astounding. On D-Day, no less, when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character and principles of America, I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. I don't much care where you come from. What your religion is. Whether you're black, white, or some other color...male or female..Democrat, Republican or Independent... But I do care when you are a United States Senator representing Citizens of America ...and Vote against English as the official language of the United States Your vote reflects Betrayal. Political Surrender. Violates Your Pledge of Allegiance. Dishonors historical principle. Rejects Patriotism. Borders on traitorous action and, in my opinion, makes you unfit to serve as a United States Senator...impeachment... RecallOr other appropriate action is warranted, or worse. Four of you voting against English as America's Official Language are Presidential Candidates: *Senator Biden, Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd and Senator Obama. (HOW SURPRISING)* Four Senators vying to lead America, but won't, or don't, have the courage to cast a vote in favor of English as America's Official Language when 91% of American Citizens want English officially designated as our language. This is the second time in the last several months this list of Senators have disgraced themselves as 'political Hacks'. Unworthy as Senators and certainly unqualified to serve as President of the United States. If America is as angry as I am, you will realize a backlash so stunning it will literally 'rock you out of your socks'. And preferably totally out of the United States Senate. The entire immigration bill is a farce... Your action only confirms this really isn't about America ... it is about self-serving politics..despicable at best. It has been said: 'Never argue with an idiotThey'll drag you down to their level!' PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN SAID: 'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damages morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, quickly tried and hanged!!!' PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING AROUND THE UNITED STATES UNTIL THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER! I'M STILL WAITHING TO SEE OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO PROVE HE SHOULD EVEN BE PRESIDENT. OF COURSE, WE SHOULD NO WHERE HE STANDS ANYWAY BECAUSE HE WANT EVEN PLACE HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM! I WOULD DIE FOR MY COUNTRY IF NEED BE AND IF YOU THINK OBAMA WOULD GRAB A RIFLE AND STAND WITH ME ON THE LINE, YOU ARE NUTS. WHAT A LACK OF RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY, BUT SOME OF THE MILITARY ARE BLINDED BY HIS POLISHED ACT AND ARE VOTING FOR HIM AS WELL. WHEN OBAMA TAKES AMERICA FURTHER DOWN THE MUSLIM TRAIL AWAY FROM GOD AND AMERICA SINKS FURTHER INTO THE DEPTS OF HELL; AT LEAST I CAN SAY I VOTED THE OTHER WAY. I GUESS AMERICA HAS TO GET CLOSER TO HELL BEFORE THEY SEE THE LIGHT AND TURN TO GOD! IF THIS OFFENDS ANYONE? IT SHOULD IF YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF GOD. * * *BILLY* -- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by *MailMarshal * --
[ot_caving] THE COLONEL AND LINCOLN
At 10:14 AM 10/30/2008, Fritz Holt wrote: AMEN In reference to: THESE ARE STRONG, POWERFUL AND COURAGEOUS WORDS COMING FROM A RETIRED COLONEL, The words are but nominally any of those three. It takes little or no strength, power, or courage to state one's silly opinion--at least not in the USA where what one says and even how one says it are consider freedoms. Being a Colonel--retired or otherwise--carries about as much credibility as a fire chief, an Indian Chief, or KFC. They are a dime a dozen and each endowed with their own prejudices tempered by the uncivilized viewpoints of one dedicated to war-mongering, not peace as some plasticizing politicians and self-proclaimed patriots would have us believe. I was in an Army hospital ward with several of them who got old and shit themselves just like everybody else. Colonel-Schmernel 33 Senators Voted Against English as Americas Official Language on June 6, 2007. And neither was that courageous; it was good common sense and showed quite a bit of understanding that the US is a melting pot of many different ethnic groups speaking a good many native languages on their way toward being good United States Americans and voters in Senatorial races. Keep in mind that in addition to a veritable panoply of Native American [sic: they immigrated too] languages and dialects which most Americans (North, South, and Central--by way of pinning it down) don't have a very good handle on in the current century, a good many more Latin Americans speak Spanish than do English and the Brazilian Americans speak Portuguese (We won't mention the Guianas). That 2 North American countries speak predominently a version of imported English offers no obvious reason why the United States Americans should voluntarily and arbitrarily limit themselves to that tongue--for the conduct of business or anything else. We are living in a very much global society and a very much global economy and damned well better get good at it or be left behind. Isolationism is a wad shot long ago. A multilingual population is a relative asset within such an environment. It's also more interesting, educational, and improves one's self-awareness. On Wed. 6 June 2007, Colonel Harry Riley, USA, Ret. wrote: Senators: Your vote against an amendment to the immigration Bill 1348to make English America's official language is astounding. It truely is. It is astounding that such a silly amendment was ever offered. To what purpose was it made? There is not one damned thing that would be improved by limiting one's access to the knowledge of the world of the future soley to the vector of English, and much that could be lost or hindered. Come on everybody, let's let our pointless prejudices make us dumb--really dumb. On D-Day, no less, when we honor those that sacrificed in order to secure the bedrock, character and principles of America, What bedrock, character and prinicles are those? The right to speak the language one is fluent in? How many of those who sacrificed spoke Navajo as their first language? How many Spanish? How many Ebonics? During the Revolutionary War many spoke German. You don't have to be anything special to sacrifice in order to secure, etc; you don't have to speak any special language--especially not English. You just gotta be the poor smuck who got suckered into going off to war and dying for your country--and generally middle class or lower. And a war that's not really doing anything for your country--certainly nothing worth dying for, however patriotic it may be. I can only surmise your vote reflects a loyalty to illegal aliens. Why would that be? By joining the US Army and going off to sacrifice, almost any illegal alien--whatever language he or she spoke as a child or to his or her kids or while having sex--is eligible to become as US citizen. They can even take the pledge in a foreign language if they want. Or if they've had their throats ripped out by shrapnel they don't have to speak any language at all. Just sign here. I don't much care where you come from. What your religion is. Whether you're black, white, or some other color...male or female..Democrat, Republican or Independent... Well that's good; he's showing a little open-mindedness now. Scarey. But I do care when you are a United States Senator representing Citizens of America ...and Vote against English as the official language of the United States Ah, did he say representing the Citizens of America (assuming he meant the Citizens of the United States of America, not ALL Americans)? Yes, they are representing the citizens--all the citizens: those who speak English, those who speak Spanish, those who speak Korean, those who speak Chinese, those who speak Cheyenne, those who speak Yidish, those who speak Arabic, all those who just speak, whatever language it might be. Those Senators are representing not
