texascavers Digest 7 Apr 2009 10:59:00 -0000 Issue 736
texascavers Digest 7 Apr 2009 10:59:00 - Issue 736 Topics (messages 10452 through 10455): Chris Thibodeaux 10452 by: Don Cooper TSS work session 10453 by: Ron Ralph Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director 10454 by: Alex Sproul 10455 by: Lyndon Tiu Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- This is a call out to Chris Thibodeaux -I'd like to get in touch with him, Thankx! -WaVy ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Cavers, There is a scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas Speleological Survey April 8th, this Wednesday, at the JJ Pickle Research Center on Burnet Road north of highway 183. We will again assist Peter Sprouse mine the Hays County files for new data and continue to update electronic files. Come by and see if you would like to organize one of our cave rich counties. And both sale and the library will be open. If you attend, you will be able to work on your own projects as well. The door will be open at 5:00 p.m. and stay open till we adjourn. The TSS office phone is 475-8802 if you get lost or stopped by the guard. Remember it is best to arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not let you in! If you have questions or problems, please contact me at ronra...@austin.rr.com or call my cell phone (512.797.3817) or go to http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm for additional information. Ron Ralph ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- [Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones.] Incumbent director Lee Florea was, for whatever reason, not included the NSS ballot that will be arriving in your mailboxes soon. Please write his name in if you would like to re-elect him to the NSS Board. Below is Lee's platform. Please circulate this message widely! Thanks, Cheryl LEE FLOREA, NSS 37909FE/LF My active caving began in 1991 near my family farm in eastern Kentucky. Caving was a convenient distraction from my studies. By 1993, I became a NSS member and an active participant in the Green River Grotto. During my time as a college student, the goals of my weekend trips changed from recreation, to exploration, and eventually survey. Expedition work with the Cave Research Foundation and participation in summer field courses at Mammoth Cave completed my transformation from a career in physics to a life-long passion for geology and caving. Recently I returned to Kentucky from a six-year tenure in Florida when I accepted an assistant professor of environmental geoscience position at Western Kentucky University. These past fifteen years, I have supported the Society, the community, and the environment in a number of ways. For example, I served as the first president of the Kentucky Speleological Survey and I helped to found the Florida Cave Survey. Additionally, I have worked in a central role with the 2001 and 2008 conventions and with the 2009 International Congress. I have struggled to protect cave resources for many years from interstate highways and coal mines in Kentucky and golf courses and housing developments in Florida. The NSS has achieved public awareness of caves over the past six decades, but now the Society must adapt its strategies to remain in a crucial role of cave research and protection. A coherent vision for a new NSS Office Headquarters is central to that theme. During my first term as a NSS Director, I have made progress on a number of goals. Specific actions that I have sponsored include: 1) A streamlining of our policy regarding scholarships; we are now able to offer two Ralph Stone Awards to graduate students each year. 2) A renewal of the NSS Preserves Research Initiative including a line of funding to support awarded grants. 3) Board Acts that have resulted in the move and inventory of our NSS Speleo Museum. If elected to the Board for a second term, I will continue my efforts to see the Society through the present economy, white nose syndrome, and a move to a new headquarters. I will make it a priority to seek solutions and bridge the growing gap between non-scientist cavers and non-caving scientists using my experience in resource protection, policy research, and grant writing. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:19:16 -0400 imoca...@comcast.net wrote: [Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones.] Incumbent director Lee Florea was, for whatever reason, not included the NSS ballot that will be arriving in your mailboxes soon. Please write his name in if you would
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What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:19:16 -0400 imoca...@comcast.net wrote: [Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones.] Incumbent director Lee Florea was, for whatever reason, not included the NSS ballot that will be arriving in your mailboxes soon. Please write his name in if you would like to re-elect him to the NSS Board. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director
What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do everything at the very last minute. Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after the situation was discovered. The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^) Alex - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director
We have not received our ballots. Personal note, Lee is doing a great job. Preston - - Original Message - From: Alex Sproul To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: l...@alumni.sfu.ca Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do everything at the very last minute. Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after the situation was discovered. The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^) Alex - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Hello all! I would like to comment, as I am the person who created the ballot and worked with the NSS Nominating Committee to make sure all the ballots were created, printed and mailed in a timely manner. It is very unfortunate that the mix-up regarding Lee Florea’s candidacy occurred but I can see that everyone is doing their best to rectify it. Lee, it looks like you have a lot of friends!!! Lee Florea’s name will be listed on the NSS Nominating Committee website ( http://www.caves.org/committee/nominating/Platforms.htm) with the other five candidates platforms very shortly. I will also make sure that it is clear to all that Lee Florea is a write-in candidate. If Lee is as great as everyone is saying he is-I am sure he will be represented well. All ballots must be received by May 22nd. Please make sure that you vote and have your ballots in by then so that your vote will be represented when the ballots are tallied on May 23rd, 2009. Cavingly, Ellie Thoene On 4/7/09, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote: We have not received our ballots. Personal note, Lee is doing a great job. Preston - - Original Message - *From:* Alex Sproul imoca...@comcast.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Cc:* l...@alumni.sfu.ca *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do everything at the very last minute. Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after the situation was discovered. The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^) Alex - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:37:19 -0400 imoca...@comcast.net wrote: The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. Problem solved. I found a caver who is doing it for me. Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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texascavers Digest 7 Apr 2009 18:19:29 -0000 Issue 737
texascavers Digest 7 Apr 2009 18:19:29 - Issue 737 Topics (messages 10456 through 10466): Re: Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director 10456 by: Alex Sproul 10457 by: Preston Forsythe 10458 by: Ellie Thoene 10460 by: Lyndon Tiu first trip to El Sotano 10459 by: Mixon Bill 10461 by: Preston Forsythe 10462 by: Jim Kennedy Re: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital 10463 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Re: Butch Fralia out of hospital 10464 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 10465 by: Jon Cradit Deep and Punkin Trip Leader training 10466 by: Geary Schindel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do everything at the very last minute. Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after the situation was discovered. The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^) Alex ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- We have not received our ballots. Personal note, Lee is doing a great job. Preston - - Original Message - From: Alex Sproul To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: l...@alumni.sfu.ca Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do everything at the very last minute. Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after the situation was discovered. The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^) Alex - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Hello all! I would like to comment, as I am the person who created the ballot and worked with the NSS Nominating Committee to make sure all the ballots were created, printed and mailed in a timely manner. It is very unfortunate that the mix-up regarding Lee Florea’s candidacy occurred but I can see that everyone is doing their best to rectify it. Lee, it looks like you have a lot of friends!!! Lee Florea’s name will be listed on the NSS Nominating Committee website ( http://www.caves.org/committee/nominating/Platforms.htm) with the other five candidates platforms very shortly. I will also make sure that it is clear to all that Lee Florea is a write-in candidate. If Lee is as great as everyone is saying he is-I am sure he will be represented well. All ballots must be received by May 22nd. Please make sure that you vote and have your ballots in by then so that your vote will be represented when the ballots are tallied on May 23rd, 2009. Cavingly, Ellie Thoene On 4/7/09, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote: We have not received our ballots. Personal note, Lee is doing a great job. Preston - - Original Message - *From:* Alex Sproul imoca...@comcast.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Cc:* l...@alumni.sfu.ca *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late? Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do everything at the very last minute. Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after the situation was discovered. The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^) Alex - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On
[Texascavers] Deep and Punkin Trip Leader training
Folks, Seems we have a full house at Deep and Punkin this weekend for trip leader training. So, we should have some new trip leaders for the ICS, assuming the caves are open for the ICS. We are following the clean clothes protocols recommended by Jim Kennedy to help slow or stop the spread of White Nose Syndrome. Also, on Sunday, we're going to have an Easter egg hunt in the cat claw thicket - over where I saw the large snake the other day. Jim Kennedy hasn't sent out a trip report on the Punkin Mapping Trip but I will add that we now have the two water tanks on the property manifolded together and a new water pump for the cabin. The hot showers are wonderful Thanks to Rick Corbell along with Arron Wertheim for all his hard work on the pump and piping. Of course Jim fed us like kings. However, we may need to build another outhouse to accommodate the - well, you know. Great to hear that Butch is doing better. Butch, If you would like to come down to the cabin and relax for the weekend at Deep and Punkin, we would love to have you. However, you might get a good exposure to Hanta Virus or Histo and I'm not sure that dumping a lot of metabolized antibiotics into the outhouse would be good for the composting process. Let me know and we'll keep the light on for you. Geary Schindel Deep and Punkin Property Manager
RE: [Texascavers] Deep and Punkin Trip Leader training
Please be sure to send all pix and trip reports to me for inclusion in The CAVER. Have fun Easter Egg Hunting! Mark From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 1:22 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Deep and Punkin Trip Leader training Folks, Seems we have a full house at Deep and Punkin this weekend for trip leader training. So, we should have some new trip leaders for the ICS, assuming the caves are open for the ICS. We are following the clean clothes protocols recommended by Jim Kennedy to help slow or stop the spread of White Nose Syndrome. Also, on Sunday, we're going to have an Easter egg hunt in the cat claw thicket - over where I saw the large snake the other day. Jim Kennedy hasn't sent out a trip report on the Punkin Mapping Trip but I will add that we now have the two water tanks on the property manifolded together and a new water pump for the cabin. The hot showers are wonderful Thanks to Rick Corbell along with Arron Wertheim for all his hard work on the pump and piping. Of course Jim fed us like kings. However, we may need to build another outhouse to accommodate the - well, you know. Great to hear that Butch is doing better. Butch, If you would like to come down to the cabin and relax for the weekend at Deep and Punkin, we would love to have you. However, you might get a good exposure to Hanta Virus or Histo and I'm not sure that dumping a lot of metabolized antibiotics into the outhouse would be good for the composting process. Let me know and we'll keep the light on for you. Geary Schindel Deep and Punkin Property Manager
[Texascavers] Trip Report: Punkin Cave mapping expedition #10
PUNKIN CAVE, Edwards County, Texas Survey Expedition #10 3-5 April 2009 Jim Kennedy, Expedition Leader This past weekend, 11 cavers converged at TCMA's Carta Valley Fieldhouse to try to unravel a few more of the mysteries of Punkin Cave. Punkin is a wonderful 3-D maze cave formed largely through hypogene processes and modified by collapse. The two entrances are both vertical drops into the huge Entrance Room, a large collapse chamber well-lit by daylight. From there, a wide-sloping area leads to the north, and is used as a major summer roost for a non-maternity colony of Mexican free-tailed bats. From that northern end, and all around the Entrance Room, passages take off in all directions. Nine previous mapping trips pushed the cave to 2116m in length and 63m in depth, and there is still no end in sight. This time we had 3 teams in the cave. Team one, Team Upper Medusa, consisted of Jim Kennedy, Liza Colucci, and Corrine Wong. They spent about 6 hours mopping up leads above last November's Medusa Maze survey. They surveyed 99.05 meters in 29 shots, for an average of 3.42m per shot. Along the way they closed 5 loops, and found the Pissicle Room, an area of active, dark yellow speleothems apparently stained by urine from overlying bat guano. Much passage remains in this area, particularly at UM10 and UM20. Team 2, Team East Maze, was the big boy team with the token skinny lead-pusher. Geary Schindel, Gary Franklin, Arron Wertheim, and Andy Flaco Zenker started pushing the most obvious vent holes on the east side of the Entrance Room. They spent about 4 hours or so and got 39.10m of survey in 8 shots, for 4.89m per shot. There are still leads left for a skinny team at the end of the survey, and other holes on the east side remain to be mapped. Team 3, Team West Maze, consisted of Lee Jay Graves, Bonnie Longley, and George-Paul Richmann. They started mapping down the numerous holes on the western side of the Entrance Room, near the Western Parallel. After a delay where they went back out of the cave for another rope only to find a way to freeclimb a pit, they surveyed 38.18m of passage in 11 shots, for a 3.47m per shot average. Time spent was about 7 hours. They explored ahead in large passage that they plan to return to next trip. This is a complex area with many large air-flow corrosion vents, and hopefully will lead to something great. While we were all having fun in the cave, Rick Corbell plumbed the new water pump, allowing us to have showers when we came out of the cave. Some other folks headed into Deep Cave on Sunday with Geary for some trip leader training while the rest of us worked on various projects around the cabin. In summary, three survey teams in Punkin Cave put in another 48 shots of survey and added another 140.67m of passage to the length of the cave (after some splay shots were removed from the totals). The new length of the cave is now 2257.1m. It is still in the #20 spot on the Texas Long Cave list, only needing another 134.1m to hit #19 (displacing Stowers Cave), 304.9m to hit #18 (displacing River Styx Cave), and 314.9m to hit #17 (displacing Rocket River Cave System). Deep Cave is still 473.3m longer and 14.6m deeper. The depth has not changed, and the cave remains at #28 on the Texas Deep Cave list. The next trip will be sometime after ICS, and after the bats are gone for the year. Punkin survey veterans (Punkinheads), stay tuned! Jim Crash Kennedy Punkin Cave Survey Coordinator Confidentiality Note: This email and any attachment to it are confidential and protected by law and intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named on the email. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or distribution of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender via return email and delete it completely from your email system. If you have printed a copy of the email, please destroy it immediately. Thank you
[Texascavers] 15th ICS - Auction and Security
The following message will be sent soon to the ICS e-list. Please distribute it to any one or any list you think may be interested. If you are not on the ICS e-list and want to be added for all of the latest updates and news, contact me. George --- Dear Friends, Some of you have been wondering how you can help with the 15th International Congress of Speleology (ICS). The ICS is organized entirely by volunteers and all assistance is welcome. There will be many things to prepare, do, and dismantle before, during, and after the ICS. For more information and if you want to help, please contact Nancy Weaver, our Volunteer Coordinator, at nan...@io.com. Here are two special and very different ways you can help: Auction: Each year, members of the U.S. National Speleological Society (NSS) donate interesting, unusual, and often rare items for auction at the annual convention. The funds go to supporting speleological projects and activities. This tradition is being brought for the first time to the ICS. People from around the world are encouraged to donate cave-related items for the auction, which will occur on Wednesday evening, 22 July 2009. What types of items are auctioned? Books, photographs, artwork, music, newsletters and journals, jewelry, historic equipment, registration to future conferences and trips... anything cave-related. Use your imagination! Remember, what may not seem special to you may be precious and rare to people from other countries. The auction is always exciting and fun, and will provide needed money to the speleological organization of your choice: the International Union of Speleology or the NSS. Security: The ICS Security Task Force needs people to watch the gate into the ICS, and roam the university campus to help out with questions, directions, and anything that will make the ICS run smoothly. This should be easy, but with all the various languages involved it will also be interesting and fun. We need to get volunteers soon to schedule you into a time slot to earn your ICS Security t-shirt. All you have to do is to work one 4-hour shift on the gate and one 4-hour shift roaming the campus. Simple, and many of you would do it anyway! Please contact Ernie Coffman at ecjc...@charter.net so he can put you into the schedule and order you a nice shirt. George George Veni, Ph.D. Chairman, 15th International Congress of Speleology Adjunct Secretary, International Union of Speleology Executive Director, U.S. National Cave and Karst Research Institute
[Texascavers] International Congress - How to be part of it
Dear Cavers: some of you who will not be able to allocate the time and/or money to attend the ICS in Kerrville in July of this year, have still expressed interest in helping our volunteer staff to put on, maintain and put away the International Big Event of the Decade here in Texas. The ICS staff has come up with an idea that some grottoes are considering and we would like to offer to everyone who cannot attend the Congress/Convention. Perhaps you would enjoy coming early, camping on the grounds and helping to set up everything from the plumbing for outdoor sinks, to marking campground roadways, building exhibits, or setting up the venue for the outdoor vendors and parties. We'll be doing that the weekend before the Congress on July 11-12. Will you be in the San Antonio area on Tuesday and Wednesday, July 14-15? If so, let us know. We'll be having a stuffing party to fill the registration satchels with information and goodies and then get them up to Kerrville. What about immediately before the Congress, Thursday through Saturday, July 16-18? Your help will be especially needed finishing the campground set-up, helping vendors move their wares into their rooms, and setting up rooms for meeting, exhibits, and more. The Congress is offering day passes so that after volunteering you could stay on to celebrate at the opening festivities and meet some of the many and varied cavers who will benefit from your contribution. Or perhaps you would like to arrive on the last day, Sunday July 26th, pay the one day pass fee, and stay on to help dismantle Texas' largest caving party that day and especially on Monday the 27th. Either way please contact me, the Congress Volunteer Coordinator, and we'll work out just the right way for you and your friends to be part of the excitement. Nancy Weaver nan...@io.com Volunteer Coordinator ICS PS: While this message is aimed at Texas cavers and grottos, the invitation is open to any caver and grotto that wants to help. Please post or forward this message to any one or list you think is interested.
Re: [Texascavers] Re: UK Statistics
I see what you mean. To quote the 1995 report: 5. The underground animal incidents involved 8 sheep, 4 lambs, 3 dogs, 1 cow, 1 goat, and 1 duck. I'll take a duck rescue over a sheep any day. Roger Moore Greater Houston Grotto In a message dated 03/30/09 22:35:19 Central Daylight Time, stefan.crea...@arm.com writes: I dunno if they’ll be interested but the rescue statistics and analysis for the UK can be gotten here: http://www.caverescue.org.uk/ I just like to read them to see how many sheep are rescued or how many people like to walk the Yorkshire Dales in high heels (yes, it *has* happened!) Cheers, Stefan From: Alex Sproul [mailto:imoca...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:35 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: ca...@caver.net; coco...@yahoo.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Statistics Amy said: My daughter is working on a paper for school dealing with mortalty rates of Spelunkers. I cannot find anything on this topic. Can you possibly help me? I can tell her what the NSS Office probably wouldn't. The mortality rate for spelunkers is the same as for cavers -- 100% and guaranteed. Some before their time, some well after. As for the mortality rates in caving, Bill pointed her to the right place: American Caving Accidents (ACA) www.caves.org/pub/aca/ has tables of all accidents/incidents by year, including deaths, but they're just listed; she'll have to tally them manually. Alex -- Alex Sproul NSS 8086RL/FE NSS Webmaster - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
[Texascavers] TSA-CBSP Project trip this weekend
Cavers, Despite it being the Easter weekend, there will indeed be a regular TSA Project trip to Colorado Bend State Park this weekend. In fact, since many people have Friday off, I asked the Park superintendent if we could make the weekend a day longer, and arrive Thursday evening, and he said yes. We are going to spend much of Friday working on projects around the new Caver Camp, including setting stepping stones to the outhouse and cleaning up from the recent prescribed burn near camp. So plan on cutting and hauling firewood, dragging brush, moving stones, and generally tidying up the place. If you have a chainsaw or mower you want to bring, great! Other hand tools like loppers, bow saws, shovels, and mattocks will also be useful for the other projects. I'll have an assortment of tools also. Later that day, people can head off to their own cave-digging projects, or even an evening trip to Gorman Cave. On Saturday we will break up into the usual teams and head out to do more cave inventory work. All trips will leave camp by 10:00 at the LATEST, so if you are not coming up until Saturday morning, plan to arrive well before 10. Remember that camp is primitive, so bring your own water, tent, food, and anything else you need for the weekend. There is also a $2 project fee that will be collected when you sign the Park release form. Due to the heightened concerns about White Nose Syndrome (WNS), a mysterious malady killing tens of thousands of bats in the Northeast (so far), we are stepping up our requirements for clean cave gear. ALL clothing and cave equipment must either be new, never worn outside of Texas, or disinfected following the decontamination protocols listed on the Northeast Region US Fish and Wildlife website (http://www.fws.gov/northeast/white_nose.html). Basically you can wash your clothing in bleach, and disinfect your vertical gear, boots, and electronics with a quaternary ammonium compound such as found in Lysol brand antibacterial cleaner. Look up quaternary ammonium compounds in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quaternary_ammonium_compounds) if you are not sure if your particular product has the right stuff. When you are sure your helmet, headlamp, boots, clothes, pack, gloves, camera, and everything else is clean, put them in a clean storage container and don't let them come into contact with any other gear or clothing. Anyone showing up with dirty or even suspicious gear will NOT be allowed underground. WNS is too scary for us to be taking a lax attitude. We like our bats and what they do for us. Any questions or comments should be sent to me off list. Do NOT respond just to tell me you are coming. Just show up. Jim Crash Kennedy TSA-CBSP Project Coordinator
[Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00 PM on Saturday, April 4. I've been enjoying pneumonia since the end of December and have been through several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly aggressive involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of steroids. That was completed about 10 days before the trip to the hospital. Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly from excess gas and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they could give me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend over enough to get in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead. At this point, I must mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you get in the habit, it's really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking (I have). Anytime you can't breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in this case hyper-ventillation. The ambulance ride seemed like it took about two years though they were giving me breathing treatments on the way. At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out the vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got my breathing stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid along with other parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had pneumonia (enough to make a grown may cry). So there I am on IV antibiotics and diuretics but with my breathing stabilized. I literally hadn't slept since the night before and dozed off only to be awakened by some alarm going off and people running around my bed. Seems my heart rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around 75BPM. More test and some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under control. Doctors are asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that moment I've never had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body there was a problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm happy to report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem. Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM Monday morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that apparently verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty popular test result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of test, IV's and was mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief. My blood pressure was way low until one of my nurses checked it in the other arm and found it to be way high. Checking it in my leg showed normal blood pressure. Turned out there were some venous clots in both arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were deemed not serious. Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I lost over 20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home with a boatload of medication, not the least of which is three different types of antibiotics, diuretics, and other heart stabilization medicines. Except for all the drugs keeping me dizzy and still being tired from the journey I'm in good shape and should recover nicely. Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls. Butch ___ To Subscribe to this list send a blank message to: allcavers-subscr...@metroplexcavers.org To Unsubscribe send a blank message to: allcavers-unsubscr...@metroplexcavers.org
[Texascavers] FW: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
Good news from Butch! Mark From: allcavers-boun...@metroplexcavers.org on behalf of Butch Fralia Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 12:49 PM To: allcav...@metroplexcavers.org Subject: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00 PM on Saturday, April 4. I've been enjoying pneumonia since the end of December and have been through several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly aggressive involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of steroids. That was completed about 10 days before the trip to the hospital. Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly from excess gas and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they could give me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend over enough to get in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead. At this point, I must mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you get in the habit, it's really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking (I have). Anytime you can't breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in this case hyper-ventillation. The ambulance ride seemed like it took about two years though they were giving me breathing treatments on the way. At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out the vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got my breathing stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid along with other parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had pneumonia (enough to make a grown may cry). So there I am on IV antibiotics and diuretics but with my breathing stabilized. I literally hadn't slept since the night before and dozed off only to be awakened by some alarm going off and people running around my bed. Seems my heart rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around 75BPM. More test and some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under control. Doctors are asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that moment I've never had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body there was a problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm happy to report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem. Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM Monday morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that apparently verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty popular test result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of test, IV's and was mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief. My blood pressure was way low until one of my nurses checked it in the other arm and found it to be way high. Checking it in my leg showed normal blood pressure. Turned out there were some venous clots in both arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were deemed not serious. Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I lost over 20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home with a boatload of medication, not the least of which is three different types of antibiotics, diuretics, and other heart stabilization medicines. Except for all the drugs keeping me dizzy and still being tired from the journey I'm in good shape and should recover nicely. Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls. Butch ___ To Subscribe to this list send a blank message to: allcavers-subscr...@metroplexcavers.org To Unsubscribe send a blank message to: allcavers-unsubscr...@metroplexcavers.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
Glad to hear that you're still with us, Butch, and home and out of the hospital! Good luck on kicking the nicotine habit! With all of your health issues you experienced and a huge increase on the excise tax on them, it's a good time to kick the habit. Hope you continue to improve and hope to see you at the Convention! Now, when can you work on the TSA webpage?! 8^) Later, Mark Alman From: allcavers-boun...@metroplexcavers.org on behalf of Butch Fralia Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 12:49 PM To: allcav...@metroplexcavers.org Subject: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00 PM on Saturday, April 4. I've been enjoying pneumonia since the end of December and have been through several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly aggressive involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of steroids. That was completed about 10 days before the trip to the hospital. Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly from excess gas and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they could give me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend over enough to get in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead. At this point, I must mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you get in the habit, it's really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking (I have). Anytime you can't breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in this case hyper-ventillation. The ambulance ride seemed like it took about two years though they were giving me breathing treatments on the way. At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out the vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got my breathing stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid along with other parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had pneumonia (enough to make a grown may cry). So there I am on IV antibiotics and diuretics but with my breathing stabilized. I literally hadn't slept since the night before and dozed off only to be awakened by some alarm going off and people running around my bed. Seems my heart rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around 75BPM. More test and some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under control. Doctors are asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that moment I've never had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body there was a problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm happy to report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem. Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM Monday morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that apparently verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty popular test result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of test, IV's and was mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief. My blood pressure was way low until one of my nurses checked it in the other arm and found it to be way high. Checking it in my leg showed normal blood pressure. Turned out there were some venous clots in both arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were deemed not serious. Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I lost over 20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home with a boatload of medication, not the least of which is three different types of antibiotics, diuretics, and other heart stabilization medicines. Except for all the drugs keeping me dizzy and still being tired from the journey I'm in good shape and should recover nicely. Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls. Butch ___ To Subscribe to this list send a blank message to: allcavers-subscr...@metroplexcavers.org To Unsubscribe send a blank message to: allcavers-unsubscr...@metroplexcavers.org
RE: [Texascavers] RE: Butch Fralia out of hospital
I'm really glad to hear your are out! Best of luck on a fast recovery Butch. I guess this means no histo caves in your future. Jon Cradit From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:02 PM To: Butch Fralia; allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Butch Fralia out of hospital Glad to hear that you're still with us, Butch, and home and out of the hospital! Good luck on kicking the nicotine habit! With all of your health issues you experienced and a huge increase on the excise tax on them, it's a good time to kick the habit. Hope you continue to improve and hope to see you at the Convention! Now, when can you work on the TSA webpage?! 8^) Later, Mark Alman From: allcavers-boun...@metroplexcavers.org on behalf of Butch Fralia Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 12:49 PM To: allcav...@metroplexcavers.org Subject: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00 PM on Saturday, April 4. I've been enjoying pneumonia since the end of December and have been through several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly aggressive involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of steroids. That was completed about 10 days before the trip to the hospital. Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly from excess gas and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they could give me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend over enough to get in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead. At this point, I must mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you get in the habit, it's really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking (I have). Anytime you can't breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in this case hyper-ventillation. The ambulance ride seemed like it took about two years though they were giving me breathing treatments on the way. At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out the vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got my breathing stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid along with other parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had pneumonia (enough to make a grown may cry). So there I am on IV antibiotics and diuretics but with my breathing stabilized. I literally hadn't slept since the night before and dozed off only to be awakened by some alarm going off and people running around my bed. Seems my heart rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around 75BPM. More test and some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under control. Doctors are asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that moment I've never had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body there was a problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm happy to report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem. Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM Monday morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that apparently verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty popular test result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of test, IV's and was mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief. My blood pressure was way low until one of my nurses checked it in the other arm and found it to be way high. Checking it in my leg showed normal blood pressure. Turned out there were some venous clots in both arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were deemed not serious. Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I lost over 20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home with a boatload of medication, not the least of which is three different types of antibiotics, diuretics, and other heart stabilization medicines. Except for all the drugs keeping me dizzy and still being tired from the journey I'm in good shape and should recover nicely. Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls. Butch
[Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano
Does anybody know if a good trip report was ever published on the first descent (January 1972) of El Sótano del Barro, Quetétaro? All I can find is a couple of paragraphs by Pete Strickland in the 1972 Speleo Digest. -- Mixon - He who renders warfare fatal to all engaged in it will be the greatest benefactor the world has yet known. - Sir Richard Burton -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano
Yes. I remember reading an article in a magazine, may even have been a non-caving magazine, around 1972-73, while hanging around Kirkwood. It may even have been a Sunday magazine section of some paper like the Nashville, TN paper. I think the discovery was in 1968. I am sure Logan would know as he was THERE. Logan does not always monitor this site so suggest calling him. I was blown away that my new friend at Kirkwood had made such a huge discovery as a result of hard work and a long difficult hike. Being fluent in Spanish helps. Preston in Outer Browder, KY - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: [Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano Does anybody know if a good trip report was ever published on the first descent (January 1972) of El S�tano del Barro, Quet�taro? All I can find is a couple of paragraphs by Pete Strickland in the 1972 Speleo Digest. -- Mixon - He who renders warfare fatal to all engaged in it will be the greatest benefactor the world has yet known. - Sir Richard Burton -- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano
I already forwarded the request to Logan. Please don't bombard him with repeats. -- Jim -Original Message- From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:44 AM To: Mixon Bill; Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano snip Logan does not always monitor this site so suggest calling him. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
