[Texascavers] San Marcos Springs study is funded :
Study of San Marcos Springs gets $1 million Texas State University-San Marcos launches program to measure the springs' water level, gauge how usage of the Edwards Aquifer affects the San Marcos River. By Andrea Lorenz AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Wednesday, July 15, 2009 SAN MARCOS — A $1 million windfall will allow the River Systems Institute at Texas State University-San Marcos to create a program to monitor the San Marcos Springs, an outlet of the Edwards Aquifer and home of several endangered species, university and institute officials announced Tuesday. The funding, payable in two $500,000 installments over two years by the Texas Legislature, creates the San Marcos River Observing System, which will include various instruments to measure whether and how much the removal of water from the aquifer in San Antonio and other locations affects the San Marcos Springs and San Marcos River. This spring is the trigger for actions in San Antonio and beyond, said Andy Sansom, executive director of the River Systems Institute. The new observation system will help us understand the resource enough so the (San Marcos) Springs will continue to flow as Central Texas develops. Sansom said the majority of the $1 million will be spent on scientific instruments installed over the next two years at the springs, located under Spring Lake at the headwaters of the San Marcos River. The springs are the last outlet of the Edwards Aquifer as the water flows east from the San Antonio area. The springs were flowing20at 88 cubic feet per second Monday, less than half the historical average monthly flow for July. The current drought conditions that we're in have been brought to the forefront of the public's mind, Texas State President Denise Trauth said. Those have been issues worked on by (the university's) faculty for many, many decades. The project is important in terms of the sustainability and availability of water resources, said state Rep. Patrick Rose, D-Dripping Springs, who along with state Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, pushed for the money for the new program. It's easy to sell a program as good as this, Rose said. The San Marcos River Observing System will be managed by Sansom and Thomas Hardy, an expert in ecohydraulics and river system modeling who was formerly a researcher and professor at Utah State University. Hardy said that once in place, the system will help everyone understand the value of the springs as a natural resource to the area and state. http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/2009/07/15/0715sanmarcos.html
[Texascavers] I'd like to help....
It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be thanked, as well. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
WOW. Thanks for inspiring everyone to take off work to volunteer this coming week. I'm sure the current organizers really appreciate the sentiment. *sarcasm* Mallory On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be thanked, as well. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
We'll, I actually found Gil's post pretty funny. If I'm part of the folks that can make a difference, than great. If I'm part of the group that gets in the way, than it annoys Gil and that's even better. A little comic relief is always appreciated. Geary From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:04 PM To: Gill Edigar Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help WOW. Thanks for inspiring everyone to take off work to volunteer this coming week. I'm sure the current organizers really appreciate the sentiment. *sarcasm* Mallory On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.netmailto:gi...@att.net wrote: It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be thanked, as well. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
Poor Gill! I really don't mean to snap down your throat. Using my feeble powers of observation I detect a little tension surrounding the entire topic of ICS, so I read this email and automatically assumed the worst...EVERYONE helping out with ICS is INCREDIBLE and I'd knife-fight anyone to the death that would detract from their efforts that being said, I don't want to knife-fight someone who is trying to make me laugh! So my apologies for being pricky...well, plus, I guess I didn't see the point, even in jest...b/c anyone who is in the way isn't paying attention to your emails anyway! They might even be over in Kerrville...IN THE WAY! :) Mal On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: We’ll, I actually found Gil’s post pretty funny. If I’m part of the folks that can make a difference, than great. If I’m part of the group that gets in the way, than it annoys Gil and that’s even better. A little comic relief is always appreciated. Geary *From:* Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:04 PM *To:* Gill Edigar *Cc:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help WOW. Thanks for inspiring everyone to take off work to volunteer this coming week. I'm sure the current organizers really appreciate the sentiment. *sarcasm* Mallory On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: It hasn't been mentioned yet but as a former organizer I've found that some people help best by just staying the hell outa the way. They should be thanked, as well. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:05:16 -0500 mmay...@gmail.com wrote: ...EVERYONE helping out with ICS is INCREDIBLE and I'd knife-fight anyone to the death that would detract from their efforts We are nowhere near that. We need van drivers for cave trips. We need van drivers for the hotel shuttles. we need van drivers for the airport shuttles. We need van drivers for the evening events. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] I'd like to help....
Frustrating when you ARE one already. You can only do what you're doing while your doing it - you can't do it more than you already are!!! -WaV On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:05:16 -0500 mmay...@gmail.com wrote: ...EVERYONE helping out with ICS is INCREDIBLE and I'd knife-fight anyone to the death that would detract from their efforts We are nowhere near that. We need van drivers for cave trips. We need van drivers for the hotel shuttles. we need van drivers for the airport shuttles. We need van drivers for the evening events. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Guadalupe River Conditions
For what its worth, here are some links to river conditions along the Guadalupe. I also threw in a link for the Llano.http://www.ugra.org/pdfs/Website%20Swimability%202009.pdf flow rate for South Llano as it goes into Junction http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/uv/?site_no=0815PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060 Flow rate Guadalupe at Comfort http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/uv/?site_no=08167000PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060 If you find a usgs flow rate link to a spot along the river closer to Kerrville, please post. Is there any noticeable flow at the swimming hole closest to the camping area. maybe some folks working this past weekend can reply Swimmability Study by the Upper Guadalupe River Authority Environmental Laboratory. Mostly regarding E-Coli. Having swam/swum in some of the grossest stock tanks in texas, I would not be too worried about drain bamage http://www.ugra.org/swimability.html http://www.ugra.org/pdfs/Website%20Swimability%202009.pdf Can somebody explain why the counts are so different. I would thing they would be closer. the distance from collection points are not tthat far apart.
[Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS
Dear cavers and fellow speleologists, I am looking for a Dell 2400MP as back-up for some important ICS presentations. If you are driving and it would be convenient, please bring your Dell or any other brand projector. We just can't have enough insurance. Laptops with current USB connectivity and the ability to open Powerpoint and other likely programs are also welcomed. While I'm at it, if you have an extra 25 + foot extension cord and multi tap surge protector or power strip that you can bring, please do so. I have secure storage!!! Be sure to boldly label whatever you bring. I guess that applies to everything you bring to Kerrville, not just A/V stuff. We don't want lost and found to get too full!! Feel free to let me know what you are planning to bring. Here's thanking in advance, George, Bill and Forrest for what they are bringing. Rick Corbell- 15th ICS A/V coordinator - rlcorb...@hotmail.com --cell-210-313-6084 p.s. My name and phone number will be posted by every projector but, I am looking for a couple of folks to walk session rooms each morning and after the lunch break to check for A/V issues. So, if you know you are going to be in one of the buildings regularly and can do this, it would save lots of footsteps for the A/V crew. Please post this to other list-serves-thanks RC _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009
Re: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS
Rick, I'll be arriving at the ICS on the 17th, probably early evening, at the latest, early morning 18th. I'll have my laptop with me, and I can bring the extension cord and a power strip. Being the geek I am, I have quite a bit of extra computer paraphenlia laying around. I do not have an extra projector though. If anything comes up between today and Friday that you need, let me know and I'll do my best to grab it for you. Charles On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Rick Corbellrlcorb...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear cavers and fellow speleologists, I am looking for a Dell 2400MP as back-up for some important ICS presentations. If you are driving and it would be convenient, please bring your Dell or any other brand projector. We just can't have enough insurance. Laptops with current USB connectivity and the ability to open Powerpoint and other likely programs are also welcomed. While I'm at it, if you have an extra 25 + foot extension cord and multi tap surge protector or power strip that you can bring, please do so. I have secure storage!!! Be sure to boldly label whatever you bring. I guess that applies to everything you bring to Kerrville, not just A/V stuff. We don't want lost and found to get too full!! Feel free to let me know what you are planning to bring. Here's thanking in advance, George, Bill and Forrest for what they are bringing. Rick Corbell- 15th ICS A/V coordinator - rlcorb...@hotmail.com --cell-210-313-6084 p.s. My name and phone number will be posted by every projector but, I am looking for a couple of folks to walk session rooms each morning and after the lunch break to check for A/V issues. So, if you know you are going to be in one of the buildings regularly and can do this, it would save lots of footsteps for the A/V crew. Please post this to other list-serves-thanks RC Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.
RE: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS
Charles, Can you bring your extension cord and strip, please? Do you happen to have a vga distibution amplifier- 1 in 2 (or more) out? If so I think I might need a couple of them. How about vga cables to go with them- 6 to 25 feet long? Thanks, Rick Corbell From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:20:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS To: rlcorb...@hotmail.com Rick, I'll be arriving at the ICS on the 17th, probably early evening, at the latest, early morning 18th. I'll have my laptop with me, and I can bring the extension cord and a power strip. Being the geek I am, I have quite a bit of extra computer paraphenlia laying around. I do not have an extra projector though. If anything comes up between today and Friday that you need, let me know and I'll do my best to grab it for you. Charles On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Rick Corbellrlcorb...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear cavers and fellow speleologists, I am looking for a Dell 2400MP as back-up for some important ICS presentations. If you are driving and it would be convenient, please bring your Dell or any other brand projector. We just can't have enough insurance. Laptops with current USB connectivity and the ability to open Powerpoint and other likely programs are also welcomed. While I'm at it, if you have an extra 25 + foot extension cord and multi tap surge protector or power strip that you can bring, please do so. I have secure storage!!! Be sure to boldly label whatever you bring. I guess that applies to everything you bring to Kerrville, not just A/V stuff. We don't want lost and found to get too full!! Feel free to let me know what you are planning to bring. Here's thanking in advance, George, Bill and Forrest for what they are bringing. Rick Corbell- 15th ICS A/V coordinator - rlcorb...@hotmail.com --cell-210-313-6084 p.s. My name and phone number will be posted by every projector but, I am looking for a couple of folks to walk session rooms each morning and after the lunch break to check for A/V issues. So, if you know you are going to be in one of the buildings regularly and can do this, it would save lots of footsteps for the A/V crew. Please post this to other list-serves-thanks RC Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009
Re: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS
Sorry Rick, I don't have a distribution splitter, but we can probably rig something up with a PC if you can't find one. Most PC's that have multiple video outputs can be configured to mirror the signal. My mac has 4 video outputs that I can loan to you if necessary (it's not a laptop though, its a full desktop). I'll bring the ext cord and power strip. Charles On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Rick Corbellrlcorb...@hotmail.com wrote: Charles, Can you bring your extension cord and strip, please? Do you happen to have a vga distibution amplifier- 1 in 2 (or more) out? If so I think I might need a couple of them. How about vga cables to go with them- 6 to 25 feet long? Thanks, Rick Corbell From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:20:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS To: rlcorb...@hotmail.com Rick, I'll be arriving at the ICS on the 17th, probably early evening, at the latest, early morning 18th. I'll have my laptop with me, and I can bring the extension cord and a power strip. Being the geek I am, I have quite a bit of extra computer paraphenlia laying around. I do not have an extra projector though. If anything comes up between today and Friday that you need, let me know and I'll do my best to grab it for you. Charles On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Rick Corbellrlcorb...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear cavers and fellow speleologists, I am looking for a Dell 2400MP as back-up for some important ICS presentations. If you are driving and it would be convenient, please bring your Dell or any other brand projector. We just can't have enough insurance. Laptops with current USB connectivity and the ability to open Powerpoint and other likely programs are also welcomed. While I'm at it, if you have an extra 25 + foot extension cord and multi tap surge protector or power strip that you can bring, please do so. I have secure storage!!! Be sure to boldly label whatever you bring. I guess that applies to everything you bring to Kerrville, not just A/V stuff. We don't want lost and found to get too full!! Feel free to let me know what you are planning to bring. Here's thanking in advance, George, Bill and Forrest for what they are bringing. Rick Corbell- 15th ICS A/V coordinator - rlcorb...@hotmail.com --cell-210-313-6084 p.s. My name and phone number will be posted by every projector but, I am looking for a couple of folks to walk session rooms each morning and after the lunch break to check for A/V issues. So, if you know you are going to be in one of the buildings regularly and can do this, it would save lots of footsteps for the A/V crew. Please post this to other list-serves-thanks RC Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.
RE: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS
Charles, I'll have some DA's but I'm trying to CMA. There are some unknowns even at this late date. Power cord and strip appreciated. Probably use it in Mountaineer Center room 138. Don't risk your MAC!! I'm hoping the campus will supply PC towers. Should know shortly. Rick From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:16:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS To: rlcorb...@hotmail.com Sorry Rick, I don't have a distribution splitter, but we can probably rig something up with a PC if you can't find one. Most PC's that have multiple video outputs can be configured to mirror the signal. My mac has 4 video outputs that I can loan to you if necessary (it's not a laptop though, its a full desktop). I'll bring the ext cord and power strip. Charles On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Rick Corbellrlcorb...@hotmail.com wrote: Charles, Can you bring your extension cord and strip, please? Do you happen to have a vga distibution amplifier- 1 in 2 (or more) out? If so I think I might need a couple of them. How about vga cables to go with them- 6 to 25 feet long? Thanks, Rick Corbell From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:20:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS To: rlcorb...@hotmail.com Rick, I'll be arriving at the ICS on the 17th, probably early evening, at the latest, early morning 18th. I'll have my laptop with me, and I can bring the extension cord and a power strip. Being the geek I am, I have quite a bit of extra computer paraphenlia laying around. I do not have an extra projector though. If anything comes up between today and Friday that you need, let me know and I'll do my best to grab it for you. Charles On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Rick Corbellrlcorb...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear cavers and fellow speleologists, I am looking for a Dell 2400MP as back-up for some important ICS presentations. If you are driving and it would be convenient, please bring your Dell or any other brand projector. We just can't have enough insurance. Laptops with current USB connectivity and the ability to open Powerpoint and other likely programs are also welcomed. While I'm at it, if you have an extra 25 + foot extension cord and multi tap surge protector or power strip that you can bring, please do so. I have secure storage!!! Be sure to boldly label whatever you bring. I guess that applies to everything you bring to Kerrville, not just A/V stuff. We don't want lost and found to get too full!! Feel free to let me know what you are planning to bring. Here's thanking in advance, George, Bill and Forrest for what they are bringing. Rick Corbell- 15th ICS A/V coordinator - rlcorb...@hotmail.com --cell-210-313-6084 p.s. My name and phone number will be posted by every projector but, I am looking for a couple of folks to walk session rooms each morning and after the lunch break to check for A/V issues. So, if you know you are going to be in one of the buildings regularly and can do this, it would save lots of footsteps for the A/V crew. Please post this to other list-serves-thanks RC Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_BR_life_in_synch_062009
[Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
Public Service Announcement Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a Texas caver you may have contracted Irritable Caver Syndrome They symptoms include snappiness, headaches, a feeling of being overwhelmed, selfless laboring, complaining about the heat, manic disinfection of caving gear, and in extreme cases suicidal thoughts (hang in there Joe). There is no known treatment or cure for I.C.S. There are ongoing clinical trials being conducted to see if alcohol is effective against I.C.S., though the treatment is at least a five years away from FDA approval. Some Cavers have vaccinated themselves for I.C.S. using isolation and a radical holistic treatment known as turning your computer off. This treatment is untested and is not recommended as reports have indicated there are extremely detrimental and painful withdrawal syndromes. Speculation has been made that death could even occur in at least one case (achem, David). Scientists who have been tracking the spread of I.C.S. have concluded that it will simply run its course given enough time. They estimate that most cases of I.C.S. will have recovered by July 26 though some sufferers may experience the effects longer and in some cases permanent damage may result. They recommend staying hydrated and resting as often as possible in between driving, trip leading and manning security. Avoid touching other cavers especially around the mouth as they may bite unexpectedly. Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based drinks, tissues and other related items might be useful and help avoid the need to make trips out in public while you are sick and contagious. Employees who are well but who have an ill family member at home with I.C.S. can go to work as usual. These employees should monitor their health every day, and take everyday precautions including yoga, meditation and massage to relieve vicarious stress. Alcohol-based drinks are also effective. If they become ill, they should notify their supervisor and stay home. Employees who have an underlying medical condition or who are pregnant should call their health care provider for advice. Federal, state, and local community planners are working together to ensure that I.C.S. treatments are developed and will be delivered to the affected area as soon as possible. Many cities, states, and territories have already received I.C.S. supplies. After N.S.S. sends medicine to a state or city, control and distribution of the supply is at the discretion of that state or local grotto. Most states and cities also have their own medicines that they can access to treat infected persons. *Note: Much of the information in this document is based on studies and past experience with seasonal events like TSA conventions. NSS believes the information applies to Irritable Caver Syndrom as well, but studies on this epidemic are ongoing to learn more about its characteristics. This document will be updated as new information becomes available. _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009
RE: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
LOL! Great post and diagnosis, Dr. Wes! Mark From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tue 7/14/2009 3:22 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement Public Service Announcement Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a Texas caver you may have contracted Irritable Caver Syndrome They symptoms include snappiness, headaches, a feeling of being overwhelmed, selfless laboring, complaining about the heat, manic disinfection of caving gear, and in extreme cases suicidal thoughts (hang in there Joe). There is no known treatment or cure for I.C.S. There are ongoing clinical trials being conducted to see if alcohol is effective against I.C.S., though the treatment is at least a five years away from FDA approval. Some Cavers have vaccinated themselves for I.C.S. using isolation and a radical holistic treatment known as turning your computer off. This treatment is untested and is not recommended as reports have indicated there are extremely detrimental and painful withdrawal syndromes. Speculation has been made that death could even occur in at least one case (achem, David). Scientists who have been tracking the spread of I.C.S. have concluded that it will simply run its course given enough time. They estimate that most cases of I.C.S. will have recovered by July 26 though some sufferers may experience the effects longer and in some cases permanent damage may result. They recommend staying hydrated and resting as often as possible in between driving, trip leading and manning security. Avoid touching other cavers especially around the mouth as they may bite unexpectedly. Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based drinks, tissues and other related items might be useful and help avoid the need to make trips out in public while you are sick and contagious. Employees who are well but who have an ill family member at home with I.C.S. can go to work as usual. These employees should monitor their health every day, and take everyday precautions including yoga, meditation and massage to relieve vicarious stress. Alcohol-based drinks are also effective. If they become ill, they should notify their supervisor and stay home. Employees who have an underlying medical condition or who are pregnant should call their health care provider for advice. Federal, state, and local community planners are working together to ensure that I.C.S. treatments are developed and will be delivered to the affected area as soon as possible. Many cities, states, and territories have already received I.C.S. supplies. After N.S.S. sends medicine to a state or city, control and distribution of the supply is at the discretion of that state or local grotto. Most states and cities also have their own medicines that they can access to treat infected persons. *Note: Much of the information in this document is based on studies and past experience with seasonal events like TSA conventions. NSS believes the information applies to Irritable Caver Syndrom as well, but studies on this epidemic are ongoing to learn more about its characteristics. This document will be updated as new information becomes available. Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail. See how. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009
RE: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
We need to put him on the team to find a cure for WNS. F. From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:27 PM To: wesley s; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement LOL! Great post and diagnosis, Dr. Wes! Mark From: wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tue 7/14/2009 3:22 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement Public Service Announcement Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a Texas caver you may have contracted Irritable Caver Syndrome They symptoms include snappiness, headaches, a feeling of being overwhelmed, selfless laboring, complaining about the heat, manic disinfection of caving gear, and in extreme cases suicidal thoughts (hang in there Joe). There is no known treatment or cure for I.C.S. There are ongoing clinical trials being conducted to see if alcohol is effective against I.C.S., though the treatment is at least a five years away from FDA approval. Some Cavers have vaccinated themselves for I.C.S. using isolation and a radical holistic treatment known as turning your computer off. This treatment is untested and is not recommended as reports have indicated there are extremely detrimental and painful withdrawal syndromes. Speculation has been made that death could even occur in at least one case (achem, David). Scientists who have been tracking the spread of I.C.S. have concluded that it will simply run its course given enough time. They estimate that most cases of I.C.S. will have recovered by July 26 though some sufferers may experience the effects longer and in some cases permanent damage may result. They recommend staying hydrated and resting as often as possible in between driving, trip leading and manning security. Avoid touching other cavers especially around the mouth as they may bite unexpectedly. Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based drinks, tissues and other related items might be useful and help avoid the need to make trips out in public while you are sick and contagious. Employees who are well but who have an ill family member at home with I.C.S. can go to work as usual. These employees should monitor their health every day, and take everyday precautions including yoga, meditation and massage to relieve vicarious stress. Alcohol-based drinks are also effective. If they become ill, they should notify their supervisor and stay home. Employees who have an underlying medical condition or who are pregnant should call their health care provider for advice. Federal, state, and local community planners are working together to ensure that I.C.S. treatments are developed and will be delivered to the affected area as soon as possible. Many cities, states, and territories have already received I.C.S. supplies. After N.S.S. sends medicine to a state or city, control and distribution of the supply is at the discretion of that state or local grotto. Most states and cities also have their own medicines that they can access to treat infected persons. *Note: Much of the information in this document is based on studies and past experience with seasonal events like TSA conventions. NSS believes the information applies to Irritable Caver Syndrom as well, but studies on this epidemic are ongoing to learn more about its characteristics. This document will be updated as new information becomes available. Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail. See how.http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009
RE: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
WNS? Who's Not in Schreiner? From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:32 PM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; wesley s; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement We need to put him on the team to find a cure for WNS. F. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
Ahhh screw you Wes, I can't believe you're posting something like this now. I mean Jeez what are you thinking. Man so selfish to pick fun at a time like this. this of course is a joke please don't flame me. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale From: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:22:10 PM Subject: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement Public Service Announcement Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a Texas caver you may have contracted Irritable Caver Syndrome They symptoms include snappiness, headaches, a feeling of being overwhelmed, selfless laboring, complaining about the heat, manic disinfection of caving gear, and in extreme cases suicidal thoughts (hang in there Joe). There is no known treatment or cure for I.C.S. There are ongoing clinical trials being conducted to see if alcohol is effective against I.C.S., though the treatment is at least a five years away from FDA approval. Some Cavers have vaccinated themselves for I.C.S. using isolation and a radical holistic treatment known as turning your computer off. This treatment is untested and is not recommended as reports have indicated there are extremely detrimental and painful withdrawal syndromes. Speculation has been made that death could even occur in at least one case (achem, David). Scientists who have been tracking the spread of I.C.S. have concluded that it will simply run its course given enough time. They estimate that most cases of I.C.S. will have recovered by July 26 though some sufferers may experience the effects longer and in some cases permanent damage may result. They recommend staying hydrated and resting as often as possible in between driving, trip leading and manning security. Avoid touching other cavers especially around the mouth as they may bite unexpectedly. Be prepared in case you get sick and need to stay home for a week or so; a supply of over-the-counter medicines, alcohol-based drinks, tissues and other related items might be useful and help avoid the need to make trips out in public while you are sick and contagious. Employees who are well but who have an ill family member at home with I.C.S. can go to work as usual. These employees should monitor their health every day, and take everyday precautions including yoga, meditation and massage to relieve vicarious stress. Alcohol-based drinks are also effective. If they become ill, they should notify their supervisor and stay home. Employees who have an underlying medical condition or who are pregnant should call their health care provider for advice. Federal, state, and local community planners are working together to ensure that I.C.S. treatments are developed and will be delivered to the affected area as soon as possible. Many cities, states, and territories have already received I.C.S. supplies. After N.S.S. sends medicine to a state or city, control and distribution of the supply is at the discretion of that state or local grotto. Most states and cities also have their own medicines that they can access to treat infected persons. *Note: Much of the information in this document is based on studies and past experience with seasonal events like TSA conventions. NSS believes the information applies to Irritable Caver Syndrom as well, but studies on this epidemic are ongoing to learn more about its characteristics. This document will be updated as new information becomes available. Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how.
Re: [Texascavers] A Public Service Announcement
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:22 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote: Public Service Announcement Warning: if you have recently purchased a ticket to a convention in Kerrville Texas, are a Texas caver, hang out with Texas cavers or are friends with a Texas caver you may have contracted Irritable Caver Syndrome Having been in a position at various times in the past to have contracted this or similar conditions personally I would offer the advice that either or both having or inducing multiple orgasms, while not medically recognized as an absolute cure, does have a tendency to get one's mind off the symptoms. --Ediger
[Texascavers] UT Grotto - WEDNESDAY July 15
Underground Texas Grotto meeting this WEDNESDAY July 15, 2009 www.utgrotto.org Your site for Official ICS Relief. The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html The Presentation will be The Continuing Adventures of Vivian in Lechuguilla Cave where Vivian Loftin will share some incredible footage from her most recent trip. For information on Underground Texas Grotto activites, please see the website. All of our information is available through our link including officer contact info, trips reports, new caver training, event calendar, and posting links to beginner trips or vertical rope training. Before the meeting, some meet at Sau Paulo www.saopaulos.net for great cultural food along with happy hour margaritas, then after the Grotto meeting, we adjourn to Posse East www.posseeast.com for burgers and beer at telling tall tales. The UT Grotto needs you for their next Program- the caver with photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Contact Gary v...@utgrotto.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: getting a ride to ICS for Kasia Biernacka from Poland
Bill and Kasia, if you know that there is going to be a shuttle service (for example from San Antonio Airport to ICS) that would be useful to know what their schedule would be and where people would have to meet them. There is indeed shuttle service provided from the San Antonio airport to ICS on Saturday (I'm taking it earlier in the day). Note that this service is available _only_ from San Antonio, not from Austin or any other airport. It's a bit late to be setting it up, but as far as I know it is being arranged on a custom basis depending upon when people's planes arrive. Here's the information that was sent out back in June: Many of you are planning to fly into the San Antonio International Airport and then travel to Kerrville. The ICS will provide free transportation from the airport to Kerrville on 18-19 July and from Kerrville to the airport on 26-27 July. To reserve transportation, please contact our Airport Committee at airp...@ics2009.us and send your flight information and arrival times. If you are traveling with your family, provide each person's name. If you are arriving by train, we encourage you to take a taxi to the airport to join the free ICS shuttle. All requests must be received by 7 July 2009. Requests after that date will be filled only if there is space available. Please contact our Airport Committee soon. As you can see, the deadline has passed, but if they're already planning to go to the airport that night and there is room, Kasia should be able to get a ride. Good luck! Mark Minton From: Mixon Bill Sent: Tue 7/14/2009 7:07 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: getting a ride to ICS for kasia Biernacka from Poland Forwarded by Mixon: Begin forwarded message: From: Bill Stone bill.st...@stoneaerospace.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: July 14, 2009 3:49:08 PM CDT To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: getting a ride to ICS for kasia Biernacka from Poland Bill - Got any ideas on how to handle this: Kasia Biernacka (Marcin Gala's wife from Poland) will be arriving in Austin at 9pm on Saturday and she needs a ride to ICS in time for the 9am Sunday meeting of the executive session (she carries a vote from Poland). We are trying to connect her up with someone. I have offered to pick her up at the airport but Vickie and I will not be leaving until around 4pm on Sunday due to work requirements here. Alternatively, if you know that there is going to be a shuttle service (for example from San Antonio Airport to ICS) that would be useful to know what their schedule would be and where people would have to meet them. Ideas appreciated. Bill Bill Stone, Ph.D., P.E. Stone Aerospace / PSC, Inc. 3511 Caldwell Lane Del Valle, TX 78617-3006 Ph: (512) 247-6385 (land line) Ph: (240) 678-5332 (cell) email: bill.st...@stoneaerospace.com website: www.stoneaerospace.com Skype: william.stone.texas - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fwd: 15th ICS – History, Kerrville, and speleology
Forwarded by Mixon Begin forwarded message: From: ICS 2009 eList secret...@ics2009.us List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: July 14, 2009 11:34:36 AM CDT To: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu Subject: 15th ICS – History, Kerrville, and speleology Dear Friends, This message may be my last to you before the 15th International Congress of Speleology (ICS) begins this weekend in Kerrville, Texas. I expect the ICS will be historic, so this message is about a little history on Kerrville and how it relates to speleology now posted at: http://www.ics2009.us/kerr.html . Also, remember that Schreiner University will not be open to the ICS until the 16th, that you are welcome to arrive on the 16th and 17th if you come to help us prepare the campus, otherwise please do not come until registration begins this Saturday morning the 18th. The ICS starts on Sunday! George P.S.: I am now in Kerrville working with other members of the Organizing Committee to prepare the site for you. The above message was prepared earlier. If you try to reach me or others on the committee between now and the ICS, please remember that we will be traveling, working, and may be slow or unable to respond. George Veni, Ph.D. Chairman, 15th International Congress of Speleology Adjunct Secretary, International Union of Speleology Executive Director, U.S. National Cave and Karst Research Institute You have received this message because you are subscribed to the 2009 ICS eList. To unsubscribe, please visit: http://ics2009mail.nfshost.com/pommo/user/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Death Coral Caver
Copies of the new Death Coral Caver #14 will be available at the UT Grotto meeting tomorrow night for $5. They will also be for sale at the ICS, in Weir Hall 109 at the AMCS sales tables. --Mixon One can live down anything except a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 14 Jul 2009 15:02:55 -0000 Issue 797
texascavers Digest 14 Jul 2009 15:02:55 - Issue 797 Topics (messages 11298 through 11323): Robbins-Lewis Pavilion 11298 by: David Re: ICS 11299 by: Simon Newton 11300 by: Gill Edigar 11301 by: Lyndon Tiu 11304 by: caverarch.aol.com 11312 by: Jon 11313 by: Don Arburn 11314 by: Don Arburn 11315 by: Lyndon Tiu 11316 by: Linda Palit 11317 by: Charles Goldsmith 11318 by: Don Arburn Re: Ediger's observation on failure to observe 11302 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com 11303 by: Bill Bentley [ICS] [Driver's Still Needed!] 11305 by: Don Arburn caving trips start Sunday at ICS 11306 by: Mixon Bill personnel registration at ICS 11307 by: Mixon Bill 11319 by: Mixon Bill new in AMCS catalog 11308 by: Mixon Bill Re: ICS volunteers 11309 by: philipmoss Re: Schreiner campus related 11310 by: bcow911.satx.rr.com Re: ICS Stuffing Party Reminder, San Antonio, July 14-15 11311 by: ellie :) Volunteerism 11320 by: Bill Stephens Death Coral Caver 11321 by: Mixon Bill Kerrville weather and drought 11322 by: David 11323 by: Denise P Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- The pavilion on campus is the best venue I have seen at any of the 8 NSS Conventions that I have attended for parties and music. Here is a video showing what the sound might be like.Maybe not a good example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwB8BYB_I_A Here is a funny example: http://www.schreiner.edu/tour/images/lf_pavilion.jpg ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I believe the mileage is tax deductible, since they have non-profit designation. Doesn't help you much if you don't do itemized taxes though. (BTW - you can probably recover mileage on your taxes from some of your volunteer cave projects) I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer discounts or a free pass to the volunteers. Heck, at all the big music festivals you can volunteer a few hours a day in return for a free ticket (bonnaroo, glastonbury, coachella). Simon -- Forwarded message -- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com, Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:38:51 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] ICS Matt, Aren’t you paying with your gas money to drive to and from AM and the convention all for the privilege of taking a bunch of folks caving in caves you’re already seen. Anyway, thanks for your hard work. Geary ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The point is still that nobody (well, nearly nobody) can get a free ride for an event like this, no matter how much they volunteer. The meeting of financial obligations requires that money be collected from all who officially register for the event--again, no matter how much time and effort they volunteer. Volunteers can be considered to be serving above and beyond the call of duty but still they pay full price if they are going to attend the event. Those extraneous volunteers who are not going to attend the event can and will be dealt with on a special basis as required by the peculiarities of the event and by unique and special arrangements. It's the same with TCR and TSA Convention and other such events. Even the cooks and registration workers are expected to register and pay the registration fee. They may be reimbursed for out-of-pocket expenses but are not supposed to be getting in for free--though inevitably some do due to sloppy registration practices. We have never been severely overbearing when it comes to registration enforcement. We trust our Texas cavers to put logic and sense of duty above personal hyperbole. If not, with some events, everybody would have to be let in for free and no money would be collected. It's important to remember this philosophy should you ever come into a position of power and have to explain the concept to those errant souls who think that their volunteer efforts should be equivalent to the price of registration. Remember to tell them that if they volunteered for 6 hours at $10 an hour we would have to be paying them to attend and not making any money at all to pay event expenses--which are sometimes substantial. --Ediger ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0500 csnew...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer discounts or a free pass to the volunteers. If it's any consolation, I am getting 2 free t-shirts for volunteering ;) --
[Texascavers] After ICS - goods for sale
Hi folks, I hope some of you are in need of some items after the ICS has ended. We will have: Around 60 sheets of 3/8-inch OSB that was used inside not outside, with only a few screw holes in it, 30 or so nice 2x4s, stud length and up, Several hundred feet of orange construction site safety fence, Several hundred feet of 1/4-inch poly rope, blue and yellow. MAYBE, some very well made A-frame type art stands AND MORE!!! The entire list will be posted on the main bulletin board in the student center close to registration. If you should want to buy any of this, OR MORE, and there by help defray the cost of this convention, please bring your money and something to haul it away in. Please pass this on to other list serve types. Come and be seen in Kerrville! Jon Cradit *
[Texascavers] Kerrville weather and drought
According to Kerrville's 10 day weather forecast: The temperature does not hit triple-digits during ICS. Also, some rain is possible on the 22nd. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0689?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared If it hits, 99 it will feel like triple digits because the humidity will be over 50 percent, and possibly 70 plus. The early morning temperatures are supposed to get as low as 72, maybe 71. That is a tolerable temperature for sleeping outdoors.I saw another site that said 68 degrees.I couldn't find the record low for this time of year, but I think it is 68. During the heat of the day, as long as you have a cool wet towel around your neck and are sitting in the shade, and wearing loose cotton clothing, and a ice-chest full of cold beverages, then you won't notice the heat, especially if there is a breeze. There should be some clouds, which will help a little to keep the sun off of you. The main thing is that no major storms or flash-flooding is expected. And there are no storms brewing in the gulf. Kerrville does not appear to have a history of major storms in mid-July.There was a big storm in 1932 on July 2nd, but it doesn't seem to be as unpredictable as some parts of the country. Other weather sites with 5 day forecast predict no rain thru Saturday, which is not good news. I did not notice a mosquito problem on the campus.That is good news. Here is an important update about the drought dated 07/08/09 http://www.kerrville.org/index.aspx?NID=859 David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Kerrville weather and drought
I highly recommend using a Texas Swamp Cooler to beat the heat. Buy a $4 squirt bottle, fill with ice water, apply liberally to self, feel a minute of coolness and relief, repeat endlessly. -Denise Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:45:21 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Kerrville weather and drought According to Kerrville's 10 day weather forecast: The temperature does not hit triple-digits during ICS. Also, some rain is possible on the 22nd. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0689?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared If it hits, 99 it will feel like triple digits because the humidity will be over 50 percent, and possibly 70 plus. The early morning temperatures are supposed to get as low as 72, maybe 71. That is a tolerable temperature for sleeping outdoors. I saw another site that said 68 degrees. I couldn't find the record low for this time of year, but I think it is 68. During the heat of the day, as long as you have a cool wet towel around your neck and are sitting in the shade, and wearing loose cotton clothing, and a ice-chest full of cold beverages, then you won't notice the heat, especially if there is a breeze. There should be some clouds, which will help a little to keep the sun off of you. The main thing is that no major storms or flash-flooding is expected. And there are no storms brewing in the gulf. Kerrville does not appear to have a history of major storms in mid-July. There was a big storm in 1932 on July 2nd, but it doesn't seem to be as unpredictable as some parts of the country. Other weather sites with 5 day forecast predict no rain thru Saturday, which is not good news. I did not notice a mosquito problem on the campus. That is good news. Here is an important update about the drought dated 07/08/09 http://www.kerrville.org/index.aspx?NID=859 David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009
Re: [Texascavers] Kerrville weather and drought
Gives me an excuse to stay in the cave longer. Let's just stay in the cave the whole time. On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:45:21 -0500 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: According to Kerrville's 10 day weather forecast: The temperature does not hit triple-digits during ICS. Also, some rain is possible on the 22nd. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0689?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] I'd like to help with ICS - what next
Hey Nancy, I will be coming in on Saturday and Sunday to help. Who do I talk to and what do I do? We will (hopefully) have an up to date list of volunteer needs at INFO each day, and get folks who wish to help connected with a task that they are interested in. Also I'm certain that any given coordinator would be happy for you to contact them directly. thanks for the response Nancy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Cabin at Kerrville Pk
First come first serve contact me I have another a/c cabin available at the kerrville pk . Two bunk beds ,table chairs additional camp site. Entire unit no more than 8 to a campsite. Tent or small camper on site. site for camper has electric for lights only not an a/c( not enough amps). Contact me for details. Bob Cowell cell 210-724-9365 hp 210-662-9171 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Cabin at Kerrville Pk
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texascavers Digest 14 Jul 2009 20:31:59 -0000 Issue 798
texascavers Digest 14 Jul 2009 20:31:59 - Issue 798 Topics (messages 11324 through 11340): After ICS - goods for sale 11324 by: Jon Re: Kerrville weather and drought 11325 by: Lyndon Tiu Cabin at Kerrville Pk 11326 by: bcow911.satx.rr.com 11331 by: Fritz Holt volunteers 11327 by: Nancy Weaver 11328 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net I'd like to help with ICS - what next 11329 by: Nancy Weaver I'd like to help 11330 by: Gill Edigar 11332 by: Mallory Mayeux 11334 by: Geary Schindel 11337 by: Mallory Mayeux 11338 by: Lyndon Tiu Re: 15th ICS � History, Kerrville, and speleology 11333 by: Mixon Bill Final call for projectors and laptops for ICS 11335 by: Rick Corbell Guadalupe River Conditions 11336 by: Robert B A Public Service Announcement 11339 by: wesley s 11340 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Hi folks, I hope some of you are in need of some items after the ICS has ended. We will have: Around 60 sheets of 3/8-inch OSB that was used inside not outside, with only a few screw holes in it, 30 or so nice 2x4s, stud length and up, Several hundred feet of orange construction site safety fence, Several hundred feet of 1/4-inch poly rope, blue and yellow. MAYBE, some very well made A-frame type art stands AND MORE!!! The entire list will be posted on the main bulletin board in the student center close to registration. If you should want to buy any of this, OR MORE, and there by help defray the cost of this convention, please bring your money and something to haul it away in. Please pass this on to other list serve types. Come and be seen in Kerrville! Jon Cradit * ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Gives me an excuse to stay in the cave longer. Let's just stay in the cave the whole time. On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:45:21 -0500 dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: According to Kerrville's 10 day weather forecast: The temperature does not hit triple-digits during ICS. Also, some rain is possible on the 22nd. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USTX0689?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared -- Lyndon Tiu ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- First come first serve contact me I have another a/c cabin available at the kerrville pk . Two bunk beds ,table chairs additional camp site. Entire unit no more than 8 to a campsite. Tent or small camper on site. site for camper has electric for lights only not an a/c( not enough amps). Contact me for details. Bob Cowell cell 210-724-9365 hp 210-662-9171 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Bob, I am a volunteer to drive/assist on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and possibly Wednesday. Any chance of sharing the cabin/room with someone? Fritz Holt, Houston 1-800-375-4679 -Original Message- From: bcow...@satx.rr.com [mailto:bcow...@satx.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:32 AM To: christine.colli...@tpwd.state.tx.us; ibaca...@hotmail.com; joemitch...@satx.rr.com; tomflo...@yahoo.com; ics09...@yahoo.com; calcoteelect...@yahoo.com; lmccre...@batcon.org; gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; fher...@swri.edu; biss...@zachry.com; rlcorb...@hotmail.com; km...@mac.com; orion-k...@austin.rr.com; ventureman...@juno.com; c...@boernenet.com; ammurph...@aol.com; geo...@nincehelser.com; dsauche...@juno.com; ffehrib...@sprintmail.com; cnv...@sbcglobal.net; i...@itsaglow.com; jill...@swbell.net; niki.l...@tpwd.state.tx.us; ogi...@tamu.edu; mlmil...@gvtc.com; thecave...@yahoo.com; caper...@swbell.net; gi...@bcad.org; trent.a.da...@gmail.com; gv...@nckri.org; cantr...@swtexas.net; tr...@sprynet.com; gschin...@mindspring.com; fhutch...@satx.rr.com; stre...@swri.org; cponebs...@aol.com; donarb...@mac.com; jbpdel...@aol.com; dhogena...@msn.com; jran...@gmail.com; stephengutti...@juno.com; kitt...@hotmail.com; bcow...@satx.rr.com; ba...@alumni.utexas.net; c.benn...@chfbc.org; tris...@aol.com; loverh...@satx.rr.com; lkpa...@sbcglobal.net; amontema...@swri.edu; dmk...@gmail.com; renee.skw...@gmail.com; TEXAS CAVERS Subject: [Texascavers] Cabin at Kerrville Pk First come first serve contact me I have another a/c cabin available at the kerrville pk . Two bunk beds ,table chairs additional camp site. Entire unit no more than 8 to a campsite. Tent or small camper on site. site for camper has electric for lights only not an a/c( not enough amps). Contact me for details. Bob Cowell cell 210-724-9365 hp 210-662-9171 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:
[Texascavers] volunteers
Good Grief - how about if everybody took the time they spend talking about volunteering and just complete a volunteer task? and for those of you who have lots of suggestions about improvements - how about if YOU get them cleared with the appropriate coordiantor and make those improvements? feel free to email me and I'll put you in touch with a way to use all this excess time and energy! Nancy -- Nancy Weaver Volunteer Co-ordinator ICS nan...@io.com 512.847.7422 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] volunteers
How many cavers does it take to? Does Ediger have an answer? TJul 14, 2009 11:35:48 AM, nan...@io.com wrote: Good Grief - how about if everybody took the time they spend talking about volunteering and just complete a volunteer task?and for those of you who have lots of suggestions about improvements - how about if YOU get them cleared with the appropriate coordiantor and make those improvements?feel free to email me and I'll put you in touch with a way to use all this excess time and energy!Nancy-- Nancy WeaverVolunteer Co-ordinator ICSnan...@io.com512.847.7422-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] a must see more than caves more than us
Now this is what I call a home movie! It is long, but incredible excellent music too. A journey around the world. If you like Planet Earth then this will be a super treat. This is a must see, must share for those that love this place we call.HOME http://www.youtube.com/homeproject Check it out, Karen
[Texascavers] Fwd: getting a ride to ICS for kasia Biernacka from Poland
Forwarded by Mixon: Begin forwarded message: From: Bill Stone bill.st...@stoneaerospace.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: July 14, 2009 3:49:08 PM CDT To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: getting a ride to ICS for kasia Biernacka from Poland Bill - Got any ideas on how to handle this: Kasia Biernacka (Marcin Gala's wife from Poland) will be arriving in Austin at 9pm on Saturday and she needs a ride to ICS in time for the 9am Sunday meeting of the executive session (she carries a vote from Poland). We are trying to connect her up with someone. I have offered to pick her up at the airport but Vickie and I will not be leaving until around 4pm on Sunday due to work requirements here. Alternatively, if you know that there is going to be a shuttle service (for example from San Antonio Airport to ICS) that would be useful to know what their schedule would be and where people would have to meet them. Ideas appreciated. Bill Bill Stone, Ph.D., P.E. Stone Aerospace / PSC, Inc. 3511 Caldwell Lane Del Valle, TX 78617-3006 Ph: (512) 247-6385 (land line) Ph: (240) 678-5332 (cell) email: bill.st...@stoneaerospace.com website: www.stoneaerospace.com Skype: william.stone.texas - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
