texascavers Digest 27 May 2010 15:03:21 -0000 Issue 1060
texascavers Digest 27 May 2010 15:03:21 - Issue 1060 Topics (messages 14882 through 14899): Re: 52 Ways to Die in a Cave 14882 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 14883 by: Ed Goff 52 ways to die... 14884 by: Jim Kennedy 14885 by: Fritz Holt 14887 by: Don Cooper 14888 by: Fritz Holt Paging Michael Sisson 14886 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com caving this wkend in high guads OK 14889 by: Karen Perry East Texas Caver's Cookout - Report 4 14890 by: David 14891 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 14892 by: Stephen Fleming 14893 by: Fritz Holt Re: dumb list 14894 by: John P. Brooks Cookout Report # 5 14895 by: David Cookout Report # 6 14896 by: David 14898 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 14899 by: Stefan Creaser Re: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont! 14897 by: David Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Ahh, a Kinks reference. Great song! Mark - Original Message From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 4:38:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 52 Ways to Die in a Cave 61. Rock paranoia, will destroy ya... Diana On May 25, 2010, at 4:13 PM, ryan monjaras wrote: 60. touching a live wire for lights (thankfully it was low voltage and i only got shocked) Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto (832)754-5778 From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:31:40 -0500 To: brewskyj...@rgv.rr.com CC: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; a...@oztotl.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 52 Ways to Die in a Cave 59. heart attack from carrying too many rocks in your cave pack On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Bruce Anderson brewskyj...@rgv.rr.com wrote: #58 Getting flat rocked by someone in the group. - Original Message - From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu To: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 52 Ways to Die in a Cave How about 57. Getting Puppied at the shaft entrance of Honey Creek. Diana On May 25, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote: The 52 Ways list is here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/31358060/52-Ways-to-Die-in-a-Cave I can think of many more ways. Caving here in Belize I can add: 53. Getting eaten by a jaguar 54. Being ripped apart by a gibnut (or tepescuintle) in a crawlway 55. Interupting looters while they are looting Maya artifacts (I've been close to these.) There are other ways too. 56. Being blugeoned to death by your fellow cavers with rappel racks. (I've contemplated that a few times.) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2895 - Release Date: 05/25/10 06:26:00 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:
[Texascavers] Temporary construction work available at the Sprouse house
Any Central Texas cavers need some extra cash for a few days of construction work? Wm Carlos Nasby could use a hand with our kitchen remodel project and was about to go down to the day labor pool. We thought we would run it by the cavers first. We are a little short handed tomorrow (Friday the 28th), Monday and Tuesday. Electrical experience a plus. Call or email me (826-7960), Carlos (364-4646) or just stop on by the house. Thanks, Terri - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Temporary construction work available at the Sprouse house
We got it covered! Thanks Terri - Original Message From: Terri Sprouse terri.spro...@yahoo.com To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:52:57 AM Subject: Temporary construction work available at the Sprouse house Any Central Texas cavers need some extra cash for a few days of construction work? Wm Carlos Nasby could use a hand with our kitchen remodel project and was about to go down to the day labor pool. We thought we would run it by the cavers first. We are a little short handed tomorrow (Friday the 28th), Monday and Tuesday. Electrical experience a plus. Call or email me (826-7960), Carlos (364-4646) or just stop on by the house. Thanks, Terri - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson
Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me at 972-955-3348. Mark G From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address? We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent address. Thanks! Mark
Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson
Steve Webb, contact me off list or call at 972 955 3348 From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:40 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me at 972-955-3348. Mark G From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address? We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent address. Thanks! Mark
Fwd: Paging Michael Sisson
Mark, btw, you sent that out to cavetex, and while Steve is a member there, he may see it faster via our Grotto mailing list, emails to it go to dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Charles -- Forwarded message -- From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson To: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com, mark.al...@l-3com.com, Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Steve Webb, contact me off list or call at 972 955 3348 -- *From:* mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com *To:* mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:40 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me at 972-955-3348. Mark G -- *From:* mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com *To:* Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address? We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent address. Thanks! Mark
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Paging Michael Sisson
Thanks Charles From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: DFW Grotto dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:08:28 PM Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Paging Michael Sisson Mark, btw, you sent that out to cavetex, and while Steve is a member there, he may see it faster via our Grotto mailing list, emails to it go to dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Charles -- Forwarded message -- From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson To: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com, mark.al...@l-3com.com, Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Steve Webb, contact me off list or call at 972 955 3348 From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:40 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me at 972-955-3348. Mark G From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address? We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent address. Thanks! Mark
[Texascavers] Bites in the Nite (not bats)
I guess I'm excessively tolerant of my animals' foibles, Mark. But not so much as an old friend in Montana. He lost a fingertip to one of his put bull mixes (aptly named Sacco and Vanzetti) and all was forgiven. Roger -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:08 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com[mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairnterriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bedafter we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recentlyactually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will rollover, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaksthe skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was theevening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites mywife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG
texascavers Digest 27 May 2010 18:15:07 -0000 Issue 1061
texascavers Digest 27 May 2010 18:15:07 - Issue 1061 Topics (messages 14900 through 14911): Re: Cookout Report # 6 14900 by: Sheryl Rieck 14904 by: Bill Bentley 14906 by: caverarch.aol.com 14908 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 14910 by: Fritz Holt 14911 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Temporary construction work available at the Sprouse house 14901 by: Terri Sprouse 14903 by: Terri Sprouse Re: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont! 14902 by: Mixon Bill Re: Paging Michael Sisson 14905 by: mark gee 14907 by: mark gee Bites in the Nite (not bats) 14909 by: caverarch.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- I still do this myself in times of high stress. I once sat up in bed screaming 'GET THEM OFF! GET THEM OFF!' because I thought someone was pouring buckets of snakes over me. My ex told me he started trying to get them off (at the time he didn't know what he was trying to get off because there was nothing there), I then turned and looked at him and laid back down and went back to sleep. Another time I crawled off the end of the bed. And just 2 nights ago, I jumped up and turned on the light when I dreamed a ball of something was coming at me. George loved that! LOL Sheryl -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03 AM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I have a friend who still did this well into his twenties. We would be woken up, in a caving hut, at 3am to him screaming something like DON'T PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON!. He would then pass back out whilst the rest of us tried to get our heart rates back to normal in the next 30mins. He never remembered these episodes in the morning. :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:16 AM To: David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Night terrors, David. This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids are 5 to 8 years old, or so. It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it happened. They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused on you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep. Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next day. Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and other childhood problems and issues. Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still married! Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all. If you have an American flag, FLY IT! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Very interesting. I am 50 years old and had them as a child, but have had 2 episodes in the last 6 months out of the blue ... maybe it is stress. My wife
[Texascavers] Krubera
There is information on the 2009 Krubera expedition at http://nalga.wordpress.com/2009/10/04/the-call-of-the-abyss-the-second-branch-in-krubera-cave-has-pushed-to-1554-m/ and http://www.network.speleogenesis.info/directory/exploration/krubera.php. There's a neat 3-D view of the cave on that last site. Krubera is the world's deepest cave and the only one over 2000 m deep. It has a side passage that goes over 1000 m deep independent of the main passage! (This is one of the caves covered in the new book Blind Descent. The author will be at the NSS Convention in Vermont and will speak about the book during the International Exploration session, which I co-chair with Yvonne Droms.) Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont!
I just checked Continental flights out of Houston, and it is around $ 400 to go. There was a $ 328 ticket, if you are willing to leave out Wednesday July 28, and skip the banquet and have a 4 hour layover. So if you want to stay for the banquet and fly out on Saturday or Sunday, that will add an extra $ 125 or more to the cost of your flight. Ref.: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/booking/flight/searchResultDates.aspx I am pretty sure I need to sit this one out this year. I may never have a reason to go to Vermont if I don't go to this convention. http://www.nss2010.com/default.php - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fwd: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont!
Begin forwarded message: From: 2010 NSS Convention 2010_nss_convent...@mail.vresp.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: May 27, 2010 12:01:25 AM CDT To: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu Subject: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont! Reply-To: 2010 NSS Convention reply-e876b3e321-61cac70d51-a...@u.cts.vresp.com Click to view this email in a browser http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/272190/e876b3e321/1415009735/61cac70d51/ Dear NSS members, It is now 10 weeks before the Vermont NSS convention. Are you attending? Lets talk about caving, after all this is a convention about caves. Vermont does have some of the best marble caves around along with our neighboring state of New York. The caves selected we feel you will enjoy as a sample of Vermont caving while avoiding bat hibernacula. The majority of caves trips will be led as 95% of the Vermont caves are located on private land with trip size regulations required. The non-led trips will be limited in size and number per day. Led trips have been arranged to caves including Morris Cave, Weybridge Cave, Red Mountain Pit, Gargantua and Chiller caves in Mt Horrid's Great Cliffs, Hotwater Pond caves in the Adirondacks, and the Mill Pond Caves. There may be led trips to old hand dug mines in Vermont as well. See bottom of this page for descriptions of the caves. There will also be self-led Trips to caves in the the Adirondacks in NY. They are located on state park lands that are open to the public. Directions to these trips will be provided at the convention. CAVE DESCRIPTIONS: Morris Cave – (VT) Morris Cave is one of the longest and best-known solution cave in Vermont. Expect an average of six hours to explore which offers nearly 2000ft of winding passages ranging from belly crawls to large rooms. There are several pinches in the entrance series that challenge larger cavers, but once one reaches the main room, the cave opens up. From there, one can climb down to the lake room, up to highest point of the cave, or take secondary passages to a series of waterfall cascades or a marble corkscrew. The cave is formed in white Sutherland Falls marble and bedded out on pink weathering dolomite that can be seen in the floor in some parts of the cave. The cave is located near East Dorset, VT, and is approximately 2 and ½ hours travel south from the convention site. There will be several led trips and directions available at the convention. Weybridge Cave – (VT) Weybridge Cave is Vermont’s third-longest solutional cave at over 1500ft. It consists of a vadose entry passage with a 25ft climb down followed by a 45ft rappel into the main trunk of the cave, a long walking passage with comfortable ceilings and a great deal of clay infill. There are several points where the passage is nearly choked, but then opens again almost immediately. There are also a number of smaller, muddy side passages that drain the main trunk passage, and a larger side passage that travels about 275ft and drains the intermittent stream that flows into the cave through the entrance passage. The entire cave is formed in Belden’s limestone, which further south in Vermont has been metamorphosed into Belden’s marble. The cave is located in Weybridge, VT, approximately an hour and a quarter from the convention site. There will be led trips and directions available at the convention. Red Mountain Pit – (VT) This cave has the single deepest drop in the northeast at 168ft, which can be rigged either as a single drop with a questionable ledge partway down, or a shorter drop followed by a rebelay and traverse and then a clean drop from the opposite side of the pit. Though no further passage is known at the bottom of Red Mountain Pit, the cave offers some excellent technical challenges as well as nice views of the marble strata as it descends through the Bascolm-Beldens formation. The cave is located near Arlington, VT, and is about two and a half hours south of the convention site. The convention will provide a led trip for vertically skilled cavers only. Mill Pond Caves – (VT) The Mill Pond Caves are a series of three short hydrologically related stream caves, two wet and one dry. The upper dry cave is about 85ft long with one minor constriction and a series of rooms and domes. The insurgence cave is mostly small and wet, with about 75ft of crawls and pinches in the stream. The resurgence cave is connected to the insurgence cave, but blocked by breakdown, and has entrances at both ends of its 70ft of passage. There is an ear dip half-way between the sinkhole entrance and the resurgence entrance that guarantees getting completely soaked. All the caves are formed in Clarenden Springs Marble. The caves are located in Colchester, VT, and are about ten-minutes drive from the convention site. Mount Horrid Talus Caves – (VT) The Mount Horrid Talus Caves are not quite a two hour drive from the convention site. At the name suggests the caves are in talus. In this case the talus is very massive and tricky
Re: [Texascavers] Re: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont!
Hey y'all, I'm not sure what kind of logistics we can assist with, but get in touch if you'd like to check out Boston / want a place to crash / need a ride up to the convention. There aren't many caves *right* around here, but we could probably catch a couple on the ride north... Cheers! --Dave (Boston Grotto, too!) On May 27, 2010, at 2:05 AM, David wrote: I just checked Continental flights out of Houston, and it is around $ 400 to go. There was a $ 328 ticket, if you are willing to leave out Wednesday July 28, and skip the banquet and have a 4 hour layover. So if you want to stay for the banquet and fly out on Saturday or Sunday, that will add an extra $ 125 or more to the cost of your flight. Ref.: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/booking/flight/searchResultDates.aspx I am pretty sure I need to sit this one out this year. I may never have a reason to go to Vermont if I don't go to this convention. http://www.nss2010.com/default.php - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Night terrors, David. This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids are 5 to 8 years old, or so. It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it happened. They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused on you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep. Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next day. Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and other childhood problems and issues. Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still married! Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all. If you have an American flag, FLY IT! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I have a friend who still did this well into his twenties. We would be woken up, in a caving hut, at 3am to him screaming something like DON'T PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON!. He would then pass back out whilst the rest of us tried to get our heart rates back to normal in the next 30mins. He never remembered these episodes in the morning. :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:16 AM To: David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Night terrors, David. This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids are 5 to 8 years old, or so. It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it happened. They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused on you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep. Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next day. Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and other childhood problems and issues. Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still married! Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all. If you have an American flag, FLY IT! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I still do this myself in times of high stress. I once sat up in bed screaming 'GET THEM OFF! GET THEM OFF!' because I thought someone was pouring buckets of snakes over me. My ex told me he started trying to get them off (at the time he didn't know what he was trying to get off because there was nothing there), I then turned and looked at him and laid back down and went back to sleep. Another time I crawled off the end of the bed. And just 2 nights ago, I jumped up and turned on the light when I dreamed a ball of something was coming at me. George loved that! LOL Sheryl -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03 AM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I have a friend who still did this well into his twenties. We would be woken up, in a caving hut, at 3am to him screaming something like DON'T PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON!. He would then pass back out whilst the rest of us tried to get our heart rates back to normal in the next 30mins. He never remembered these episodes in the morning. :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:16 AM To: David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Night terrors, David. This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids are 5 to 8 years old, or so. It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it happened. They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused on you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep. Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next day. Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and other childhood problems and issues. Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still married! Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all. If you have an American flag, FLY IT! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Very interesting. I am 50 years old and had them as a child, but have had 2 episodes in the last 6 months out of the blue ... maybe it is stress. My wife nearly got hit as I woke up swinging... I faintly remember them.. Bill - Original Message - From: Sheryl Rieck shri...@cableone.net To: 'Stefan Creaser' stefan.crea...@arm.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; 'David' dlocklea...@gmail.com; 'Cavers Texas' texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I still do this myself in times of high stress. I once sat up in bed screaming 'GET THEM OFF! GET THEM OFF!' because I thought someone was pouring buckets of snakes over me. My ex told me he started trying to get them off (at the time he didn't know what he was trying to get off because there was nothing there), I then turned and looked at him and laid back down and went back to sleep. Another time I crawled off the end of the bed. And just 2 nights ago, I jumped up and turned on the light when I dreamed a ball of something was coming at me. George loved that! LOL Sheryl -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03 AM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I have a friend who still did this well into his twenties. We would be woken up, in a caving hut, at 3am to him screaming something like DON'T PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON!. He would then pass back out whilst the rest of us tried to get our heart rates back to normal in the next 30mins. He never remembered these episodes in the morning. :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:16 AM To: David; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Night terrors, David. This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids are 5 to 8 years old, or so. It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it happened. They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused on you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep. Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next day. Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and other childhood problems and issues. Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still married! Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all. If you have an American flag, FLY IT! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG -Original Message- Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Very interesting. I am 50 years old and had them as a child, but have had 2 episodes in the last 6 months out of the blue ... maybe it is stress. My wife nearly got hit as I woke up swinging... I faintly remember them.. Bill
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I wouldn't let him on my bed (they have dirty feet and most have fleas). And besides, I have a hard enough time getting a good night's sleep as it is. Geezer From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:08 PM To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Are we talking about dogs, kids, or wives? (I'm gonna get in trouble for that last one!). Mark From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:06 PM To: Alman, Mark @ EOS; cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I wouldn't let him on my bed (they have dirty feet and most have fleas). And besides, I have a hard enough time getting a good night's sleep as it is. Geezer From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:08 PM To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
You choose whichever one is appropriate but I was referring to Roger's dog or mine if I had one. However, at my house I'm usually in the dog house. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:14 PM To: Fritz Holt; cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Are we talking about dogs, kids, or wives? (I'm gonna get in trouble for that last one!). Mark From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:06 PM To: Alman, Mark @ EOS; cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I wouldn't let him on my bed (they have dirty feet and most have fleas). And besides, I have a hard enough time getting a good night's sleep as it is. Geezer From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:08 PM To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG
RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
How to wok your dog ~F~ I know what I would do with him, Roger! Mark From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6 Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his luck at this point. And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without restlessness. Roger Moore GHG - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
