[Texascavers] the 2 big Guatemala sinkholes
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[Texascavers] New sinkhole in Guatemala City
Here's an interesting report and pictures of a new sinkhole that opened in Guatemala City Monday, May 31, swallowing a 3-story building and a house: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/05/31/honduras.storm.emergency/index.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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[Texascavers] RE: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats
The Bat Tennis video is now down on the Discovery web site as well. It no longer comes up on the China page, although searching the site for Bat Tennis still produces a hit, http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-bat-tennis.html. That page comes up, but there's no video. Mark Minton Quoting Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com: I was about to point out the same thing. It's at http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-china/ The description of the clip (called Bat Tennis) says: Hankering for a meal of bat, Bear Grylles attempts an unusual ancient tribal technique to catch his prey. He doesn't shoot fire into the cave (little comfort, I'm sure for the bats), he just holds a torch up to the entrance and then bats them down with a crude (in every sense of the word) racquet made of two sharpened poles intertwined with heavy vines. The man is an idiot. Why are we just now finding out about this episode, it ran in mid-January. Louise Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:00:07 -0700 From: vivb...@att.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats I found it on the Discovery Site just a few minutes ago. Yes, it was part of a China series. I hate to give them traffic on their site. That's a win for them, but I had to see what I was complaining about. From: Karen karen.mast...@gmail.com To: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Cc: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 11:45:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats The youtube video appears to have been removed. I read elsewhere this was filmed in China. Not sure if that's accurate, but here's an interesting journal abstract: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?aid=5487824 On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: Some states have laws that protect non-game animals from being killed. It would be interesting to investigate the state this was filmed in and see if bats are protected and if so, whether he had the necessary permits to kill them. Having him arrested for destruction of wildlife would be interesting. Maybe he could do a segment of Man verses Wild from a jail cell and then see who is the predator and who is the prey. G -Original Message- From: Dave H. Crusoe [mailto:dhcru...@projectkir.org] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:05 AM To: Charles Goldsmith; Cavetex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats Charles, At your suggestion, I wrote the following to PETA's info line ( http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/onlinecruelty.asp ); not sure what they might do, but perhaps help mobilize the twitterati? (As I'm sure others have done, I've also fwd'd to the local grottos). Greetings, I'm writing to represent a growing outcry (see e-mail from Bat Conservation International below) over the televised killing of Bats perpetrated by the star of Man vs. Wild, and available through YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYAoAdY6UMA). Please let us know if there is a way you might spread additional word over the outcry, beyond mobilizing our own communities (we cavers are a relatively small community, nationally, which the number of people interested in this issue is likely to be much larger); our hope is to pressure the Discovery Channel to issue an apology and/or correction and, more importantly, not promote or depict similar obscene cruelty in the future. On May 28, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Is there any type of legal aspect of this that could put pressure on them? Cruelty to animals comes to mind. Also, anyone have a contact at PETA, as bad as I hate that organization for it's antics, they have a large voice. Charles On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:53 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Just watched the video. You can supply your own adjective, but, IMHO appalling, irresponsible, reprehensible are good starts. What is most disturbing is the unabashed glee this moron displays while using these bats for badminton practice. He doesn't even try to make it acceptable by eating what he kills. I stopped watching this douche years ago and this confirms the fact that I will never watch him again. Mark From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Fri 5/28/2010 7:51 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats Graham Schindel sent me this. Geary Not sure if this has gone through Cave Tex but it should. Cavers, Here is a note sent out from BCI about a bat killing video. As if WNS isn't enough... - A recent episode of Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild featured Bear Grylls gleefully killing bats with a homemade club. The clip, which shows Grylls throwing a flame in a cave to smoke out the bats, swatting them to the ground and then stomping on them, has aired internationally
[Texascavers] Sink Hole in Guatemala City
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/06/01/2010-06-01_massive_sinkhole_swallows_building_in_guatemala_city_in_wake_of_tropical_storm_a.html Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale
[Texascavers] Magicshine 900
So after reading about the MagicShine 900 (http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=4_41products_id=180zenid=07m9r6ahmcdmactccdojt8jos1) on CaveTex, I had to buy one. It got in last thursday, just in time for my roommate to take it with him to Bustamante. I will say this light is not 900 lumens. It's probably 500-600, but for the $90(+12 or so for the head strap) I spent on it; it has to be the best lumen/dollar deal out there. It has a short battery life of 3hrs at full blast and even at the lowest setting of around 120lumens it only lasts 10hrs. That said the nickname for the light on the trip was the sun. It's bright enough that looking directly at the wall it's hitting at 15ft is slightly discomforting. I don't know how water proof and everything it is, but it's fully aluminum, so i'm betting with some silicone I could make this very water resistant. though much like the sten's the batter connection point would be the weakest link in water resistance. This all said caving isn't what this light was intended for, it's a biking light. So, my recommendation on this light is: If you're looking for a really bright light for big caves this is probably the best buy you will find. If you're only doing central texas caves this light will burn out your retinas. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale
Re: [Texascavers] Magicshine 900
I am Matt's roommate and having used this light I think it is well worth the money. It is certainly over powered for smaller caves but it worked great for the giant passages in Bustamante, which is a beautiful cave and a wonderful experience altogether. I used this light as a secondary light to my Apex. The Apex for navigation and the sun for stopping to enjoying the gorgeous formation that are ever-present. I was worried I'd run the battery down on the magicshine that's one reason I decided to do things that way. I didn't want to not be able to really light something up when I wanted to. Used in this manner battery life becomes less of an issue. Another issue with this light is the weight. The light itself a bit heavier then most plastic cases LEDs but it's not bad. The battery however is heavy. The set comes with a 1 meter extension; I recommend using this and carrying the battery on a belt. I forgot the extension at home and was forced to rig the battery on my helmet. I got used to it after a time but would have much rather have had in on my belt. I just order on of my own. All in all it is a great buy, especially if you are also a bicycler like I am. I plan to keep this light on my bike and take it off when I'm going to a big cave. Matt Zaldivar --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com Subject: [Texascavers] Magicshine 900 To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 7:01 AM So after reading about the MagicShine 900 (http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=4_41products_id=180zenid=07m9r6ahmcdmactccdojt8jos1) on CaveTex, I had to buy one. It got in last thursday, just in time for my roommate to take it with him to Bustamante. I will say this light is not 900 lumens. It's probably 500-600, but for the $90(+12 or so for the head strap) I spent on it; it has to be the best lumen/dollar deal out there. It has a short battery life of 3hrs at full blast and even at the lowest setting of around 120lumens it only lasts 10hrs. That said the nickname for the light on the trip was the sun. It's bright enough that looking directly at the wall it's hitting at 15ft is slightly discomforting. I don't know how water proof and everything it is, but it's fully aluminum, so i'm betting with some silicone I could make this very water resistant. though much like the sten's the batter connection point would be the weakest link in water resistance. This all said caving isn't what this light was intended for, it's a biking light. So, my recommendation on this light is: If you're looking for a really bright light for big caves this is probably the best buy you will find. If you're only doing central texas caves this light will burn out your retinas. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale
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[NMCAVER] new sinkhole
Amazing sinkhole formed: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/dot-shot-sinkhole-in-guatemala-city/ jtml ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] Extra STEN Battery?
Hey all - My Sten light is on it's way home from an extended caving expedition in Belize. It liked the tropics so much it decided to stay and help the team out even after I came home. I have secured a loaner Sten light sans the battery. I'd like to use it for a few upcoming caving trips including this weekend. Going back to a Tikka is doable but I'd rather just be spoiled. Let me know if I might persuade you to loan out a spare or if you know of one for sale close by. Cheers! Joe
[Texascavers] Punkin Cave
Sorry for the short notice, but there may be a slot or two available on the Punkin Cave survey trip this weekend. Vertical skills and your own SRT gear are required. We will be surveying approximately 6-8 hours in a cold, windy, guano-filled cave. If this isn't your cup of tea, don't bother responding. If it is on your bucket list, then reply off-list to me directly. Jim Crash Kennedy Punkin Cave Survey Coordinator
[NMCAVER] Bats and Billy The Kid Cave - follow-up
This is a follow-up to my previous missive concerning the Weekend Regional and bat counts for Eddy County. I had promised several people a follow up on what we found concerning the lack of bats. Today Dave Belski and myself visited four cave in an area north of Carlsbad. These caves are are in close proximity to each other and have all had bats in the past. Past counts were: Billy The Kid - approximately 30,000 velifers Rusty Hinge - approximately 400 probable Mexican Freetails Adobe - approximately 200 - unknown speices Little Outlaw - small number of unknown species This morning we saw no fresh evidence that the caves are being using by significant numbers of bats. There was no fresh guano droppings and the guano aroma was not strong in any of the four caves. There were no carcasses observed in any of the caves so it does not appear that the bats have died. It appears as the bats have just left the caves or not returned to the caves this year. At the entrance to Billy the Kid cave there were approximately 100 22 caliber rifle cases which might indicate that someone was doing target practice on the bats last fall. At this time we have no idea where the bats went or why they did not return to the caves. Billy The Cave was the largest known velifer nursery cave in Eddy County so this lose or relocation is significant. Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
texascavers Digest 2 Jun 2010 00:18:52 -0000 Issue 1066
texascavers Digest 2 Jun 2010 00:18:52 - Issue 1066 Topics (messages 14948 through 14962): help wanted for 1 day 14948 by: Greg Passmore book review: Is That So? 14949 by: Mixon Bill Battery Info 14950 by: Mark Minton New sinkhole in Guatemala City 14951 by: Rod Goke Magicshine 900 14952 by: Matt Turner 14955 by: Matt Zaldivar Re: Man vs. Wild: Man vs. Bats 14953 by: mminton.caver.net Sink Hole in Guatemala City 14954 by: Matt Turner Extra STEN Battery? 14956 by: Joe Ranzau Re: Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration 14957 by: Charles Goldsmith 14959 by: Carl Kunath 14960 by: Charles Goldsmith 14961 by: Heather Tucek 14962 by: SS Punkin Cave 14958 by: Jim Kennedy Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- We are doing two filming shoots in commercial caves in Kendall and Comal counties from Sunday June 6 to Tuesday, June 8. We need a couple people to help carefully carry film equipment into the back of the caves. If you live In San Antonio or Austin areas, this might work for you. We will pay your gas, food, and a $300 stipend for the 3 days, plus provide film credit. Shoots are from 11 am at the cave to about 6 pm. We need help from cavers who are drama-free, self- motivated, can carry 50 pounds over slippery slopes (without hurting themselves or the cave) and can be on-time. If you are interested, drop an email to tr...@passmorelab.com and tell her a little about your caving background. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Is That So?: A Selection of Tales from Caving's Legendary Nutters, Characters, Pissheads, and Selfless, Generous, Rough Diamonds. Edited by Rob Tav Taviner. Mendip Cave Registry and Archive, Great Britain; 2010. ISBN 978-0-9531310-2-0. A5 size (approximately 6 by 8 inches), 172 pages, softbound. £10 plus postage, e-mail rtravi...@hotmail.com. Why do all the entertaining cave books come from England? Eyre's memoirs, Alfie's odes and tales, and now this collection of one hundred little stories of the adventures and (mostly) misadventures of English cavers at home and abroad, collected by a member of the Bristol Exploration Club, motto Everything to Excess. The quotation in the subtitle comes from a statement by the late Tony J-Rat Jarratt that he couldn't have met so many nutters . . ., in any other walk of life. I suspect that some of these tales grew with the telling, no doubt over several pints, but that only adds to the fun. Profits, if any, from the sale of the book support the Mendip Cave Registry and Archive and its very impressive Web-accessible cave data- base and bibliography; see www.mcra.org.uk.--Bill Mixon Always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them more. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Form another list, here's a link to some useful info on various types of batteries: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/index.htm. Especially useful is the summary table http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-21.htm. Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Here's an interesting report and pictures of a new sinkhole that opened in Guatemala City Monday, May 31, swallowing a 3-story building and a house: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/05/31/honduras.storm.emergency/index.html ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- So after reading about the MagicShine 900 (http://www.geomangear.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=4_41products_id=180zenid=07m9r6ahmcdmactccdojt8jos1) on CaveTex, I had to buy one. It got in last thursday, just in time for my roommate to take it with him to Bustamante. I will say this light is not 900 lumens. It's probably 500-600, but for the $90(+12 or so for the head strap) I spent on it; it has to be the best lumen/dollar deal out there. It has a short battery life of 3hrs at full blast and even at the lowest setting of around 120lumens it only lasts 10hrs. That said the nickname for the light on the trip was the sun. It's bright enough that looking directly at the wall it's hitting at 15ft is slightly discomforting. I don't know how water proof and everything it is, but it's fully aluminum, so i'm betting with some silicone I could make this very water resistant. though
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.comwrote: Thanks to the efforts of many cavers (Fort Worth, Dallas, Waco, Austin, San Antonio) during May we have made a good first stab at lighting and restoration work in the cave. We started the new lighting in the most difficult portion of the cave to light (Storm Canyon) that starts at 8' high and expands to 50' high over its 200' length with mud waist deep in parts. There are 9 lighting/tour zones in the cave and we have one complete as of today. There is also much restoration work to be done. Rock debris needs to be moved to areas where new walls will be built. Some mud needs to be taken out and some can be stored. Lighting and restoration can happen concurrently. Depending on interest, I think we can get lighting and the most pressing restoration efforts completed by the summer's end. We have a full service campground with tent to full hookups with shower room and laundry and a 105 acre site with 5 documented caves, and others (likely) still to discover. Some parts of the main show cave (Cascade Caverns) have not been documented - we found one nice new passage during lighting efforts and there is another visible one near the main entrance that is not on TSS surveys either. We'll provide *free camping and lunch* for those spending at least a full day working in the cave. We'll also let folks who are putting time into the lighting/restoration spend time on site doing some caving on the rest of the site. Please email me of your interest for JUNE, JULY, and AUGUST and then I can put a scheduler out there for you to sign up on once there is enough interest. Thanks again to all of those who have generously given of their time and care (In no particular order - Edwin, Martin, Lydia, Chris, Charles, Andy Z, Daniel, Gerry, Monica, Rune, Orion, Linda, Allan, Ryan, Heather). It has been great working with you all and getting to know you. Best, Scott Scott Kyle, AIA, LEED Vice President *(830) 755-8080 office, (804) 402-8985 cell* * www.cascadecaverns.com See Texas Downunder: RV Tent Camping and Cave Tours Daily* 226 Cascade Caverns Rd, Boerne, Texas 78015
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Scott, I may be available this weekend, but my plans haven't finalized. Was going to check to see if you were doing anything Saturday. I know Sunday and afterwards you have the film crew, etc. I'll let you know for sure on thursday or friday if I'll be back down. Thanks again Charles On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.comwrote: Thanks to the efforts of many cavers (Fort Worth, Dallas, Waco, Austin, San Antonio) during May we have made a good first stab at lighting and restoration work in the cave. We started the new lighting in the most difficult portion of the cave to light (Storm Canyon) that starts at 8' high and expands to 50' high over its 200' length with mud waist deep in parts. There are 9 lighting/tour zones in the cave and we have one complete as of today. There is also much restoration work to be done. Rock debris needs to be moved to areas where new walls will be built. Some mud needs to be taken out and some can be stored. Lighting and restoration can happen concurrently. Depending on interest, I think we can get lighting and the most pressing restoration efforts completed by the summer's end. We have a full service campground with tent to full hookups with shower room and laundry and a 105 acre site with 5 documented caves, and others (likely) still to discover. Some parts of the main show cave (Cascade Caverns) have not been documented - we found one nice new passage during lighting efforts and there is another visible one near the main entrance that is not on TSS surveys either. We'll provide *free camping and lunch* for those spending at least a full day working in the cave. We'll also let folks who are putting time into the lighting/restoration spend time on site doing some caving on the rest of the site. Please email me of your interest for JUNE, JULY, and AUGUST and then I can put a scheduler out there for you to sign up on once there is enough interest. Thanks again to all of those who have generously given of their time and care (In no particular order - Edwin, Martin, Lydia, Chris, Charles, Andy Z, Daniel, Gerry, Monica, Rune, Orion, Linda, Allan, Ryan, Heather). It has been great working with you all and getting to know you. Best, Scott Scott Kyle, AIA, LEED Vice President *(830) 755-8080 office, (804) 402-8985 cell* * www.cascadecaverns.com See Texas Downunder: RV Tent Camping and Cave Tours Daily* 226 Cascade Caverns Rd, Boerne, Texas 78015
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Cascade is 58°F? Really? That's 10°F less than other nearby caves. Atypical, indeed. Typo? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Scott Kyle Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Carl, I don't think so, Scott told me this weekend that some studies were done of it, trying to figure out why it is cooler. I only broke a sweat in there once, the temp was perfect for working in there. The mud is another story :) Charles On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.netwrote: Cascade is 58°F? Really? That's 10°F less than other nearby caves. Atypical, indeed. Typo? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - *From:* Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org *To:* Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.com *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
It's cooler nearer to the entrance. The closer you get to Storm Canyon the warmer it is, but it still isn't anywhere near other Central Texas Caves. On 1 June 2010 15:30, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Carl, I don't think so, Scott told me this weekend that some studies were done of it, trying to figure out why it is cooler. I only broke a sweat in there once, the temp was perfect for working in there. The mud is another story :) Charles On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.netwrote: Cascade is 58°F? Really? That's 10°F less than other nearby caves. Atypical, indeed. Typo? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - *From:* Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org *To:* Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.com *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
RE: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Possible Evaporative cooling effect .. _ From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 3:30 PM To: Carl Kunath Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration Carl, I don't think so, Scott told me this weekend that some studies were done of it, trying to figure out why it is cooler. I only broke a sweat in there once, the temp was perfect for working in there. The mud is another story :) Charles On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote: Cascade is 58°F? Really? That's 10°F less than other nearby caves. Atypical, indeed. Typo? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: Charles mailto:wo...@justfamily.org Goldsmith To: Scott Kyle mailto:sk...@cascadecaverns.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Charles, I've been needing to fix the settings on my Blackberry so it will allow me to post messages directly to the list, but in the meantime you are welcome to post this reply. Cascade Caverns is simply a cold trap. The size and shape of the entrance allows it to capture and retain the winter's cold far better than most caves. I don't know if there has been any research that quantifies the effect of size and shape, but I plan to find out soon. I'm in Austria for the 4th International Ice in Caves Conference where I expect cold traps to be a hot topic. If you feel inclined, search for the conference website and post it to the list. The abstracts of the talks have just been posted and people on TexasCavers may find them interesting. The abstracts will soon, if not already be available on the Karst Information Portal too, www.karstportal.org. George Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:30:02 To: Carl Kunathcarl.kun...@suddenlink.net Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration Carl, I don't think so, Scott told me this weekend that some studies were done of it, trying to figure out why it is cooler. I only broke a sweat in there once, the temp was perfect for working in there. The mud is another story :) Charles On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.netwrote: Cascade is 58°F? Really? That's 10°F less than other nearby caves. Atypical, indeed. Typo? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - *From:* Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org *To:* Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.com *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Thanks George, I'll do that Sent via C=64 Mobile On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:11 AM, gv...@warpdriveonline.com wrote: Charles, I've been needing to fix the settings on my Blackberry so it will allow me to post messages directly to the list, but in the meantime you are welcome to post this reply. Cascade Caverns is simply a cold trap. The size and shape of the entrance allows it to capture and retain the winter's cold far better than most caves. I don't know if there has been any research that quantifies the effect of size and shape, but I plan to find out soon. I'm in Austria for the 4th International Ice in Caves Conference where I expect cold traps to be a hot topic. If you feel inclined, search for the conference website and post it to the list. The abstracts of the talks have just been posted and people on TexasCavers may find them interesting. The abstracts will soon, if not already be available on the Karst Information Portal too, www.karstportal.org. George Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:30:02 -0500 To: Carl Kunathcarl.kun...@suddenlink.net Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration Carl, I don't think so, Scott told me this weekend that some studies were done of it, trying to figure out why it is cooler. I only broke a sweat in there once, the temp was perfect for working in there. The mud is another story :) Charles On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote: Cascade is 58°F? Really? That's 10°F less than other nearby caves. Atypical, indeed. Typo? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Scott Kyle Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure whatthe humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration
Charles, Were you able to finish the Storm Canyon? How does it look? Did you visit any of the off trail passageways? I may try to get back the weekend of 12/13 June if there are others going. Hope all is well with you, Gerry Geletzke - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Scott Kyle Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Caverns Lighting and Restoration For anyone looking for a summer project to stay cool, this is for you then! Cascade Caverns is a cool 58 degrees and I'm not sure what the humidity is, but its comfortable in there. This isn't your typical Texas cave. Scott, thanks for having me this weekend, I had a blast and am looking forward to the next trip out there. Charles On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Scott Kyle sk...@cascadecaverns.com wrote: Thanks to the efforts of many cavers (Fort Worth, Dallas, Waco, Austin, San Antonio) during May we have made a good first stab at lighting and restoration work in the cave. We started the new lighting in the most difficult portion of the cave to light (Storm Canyon) that starts at 8' high and expands to 50' high over its 200' length with mud waist deep in parts. There are 9 lighting/tour zones in the cave and we have one complete as of today. There is also much restoration work to be done. Rock debris needs to be moved to areas where new walls will be built. Some mud needs to be taken out and some can be stored. Lighting and restoration can happen concurrently. Depending on interest, I think we can get lighting and the most pressing restoration efforts completed by the summer's end. We have a full service campground with tent to full hookups with shower room and laundry and a 105 acre site with 5 documented caves, and others (likely) still to discover. Some parts of the main show cave (Cascade Caverns) have not been documented - we found one nice new passage during lighting efforts and there is another visible one near the main entrance that is not on TSS surveys either. We'll provide free camping and lunch for those spending at least a full day working in the cave. We'll also let folks who are putting time into the lighting/restoration spend time on site doing some caving on the rest of the site. Please email me of your interest for JUNE, JULY, and AUGUST and then I can put a scheduler out there for you to sign up on once there is enough interest. Thanks again to all of those who have generously given of their time and care (In no particular order - Edwin, Martin, Lydia, Chris, Charles, Andy Z, Daniel, Gerry, Monica, Rune, Orion, Linda, Allan, Ryan, Heather). It has been great working with you all and getting to know you. Best, Scott Scott Kyle, AIA, LEED Vice President (830) 755-8080 office, (804) 402-8985 cell www.cascadecaverns.com See Texas Downunder: RV Tent Camping and Cave Tours Daily 226 Cascade Caverns Rd, Boerne, Texas 78015
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[Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting June 2, 2010
Underground Texas Grotto meeting June 2, 2010 www.utgrotto.org The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html Grace Borengasser will present “Chasing Ernie through Gremlin and Wild Horses” Come see some great footage from a recent trip to Utah to check out some Geology. For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see www.utgrotto.orgAll of our information including officer contact info, trips reports, new caver training, event calendar, and posting links to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available. Before the meetings, some may go to Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour specials. After the official meeting, we continue the tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com The UT Grotto needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Contact Gary v...@utgrotto.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
