[Texascavers] amateur spelunker ?
Is it necessary for a journalist to put these 2 words together? http://www.dnj.com/article/20100629/NEWS06/100629022 Does their average reader not know that a spelunker is an amateur? Or, are they trying to emphasize that it was not an amateur caver, or amateur archaeologist or an amateur speleologist ? Or, are they saying that there are spelunkers that are professional spelunkers, and this guy was not one of those ? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] FW: Poison Ivy! Do you know what it looks like? Are you sure?
A short video. Having camped and spent much time in the outdoors I am sure you can identify poison Ivy but here is a refresher course. Some people mistake Virginia Creeper for poison ivy but if it has more than three leaves per stem, it isn't. However, a very small percentage of people are allergic to V. C. as well. I am allergic to poison ivy but am not sure I could identify poison oak. Happy itch free camping. Fritz -Original Message- From: freeplan...@aweber.com [mailto:freeplan...@aweber.com] On Behalf Of Mike McGroarty Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:36 PM To: Fritz Holt Subject: Poison Ivy! Do you know what it looks like? Are you sure? Fritz, Today I have a video on: How to Identify Poison Ivy! But first an important message: I am going to take my Backyard Growing System off the market for a while. I need to change some things and I'm busy working on my new nursery and I spend a lot of time on the Backyard Growers Message Board answering questions and buying plants! Yes! I am buying plants from my customers! For right now it's still available because I know there are people that have been saving up to buy it, but I have to pull it down soon. Right now is a great time to get started because summertime is a great time to make baby plants. And the Backyard Growers Message Board is on fire with plant buying and plant selling activity. Join our family of Backyard Growers and Get your copy right now: http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=IWPytm=1bTHgAAjMTbHGXb=C4YWuB726NGpHNm92VUhXg The Poison Ivy video: http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=IWPytm=1bTHgAAjMTbHGXb=V2q00y9sR7odoLIcXLFomA Make somebody you love happy! Give them a copy of my plant propagation book! http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=IWPytm=1bTHgAAjMTbHGXb=6lwHgnh1UclwdD0nDIsQ.A Take care, enjoy the summer, and stay inspired! -Mike McGroarty McGroarty Enterprises Inc. P.O. Box 338 Perry, Ohio 44081, USA To unsubscribe or change subscriber options visit: http://www.aweber.com/z/r/?LMxsnKystCzszJxMDCzMtEa07EysnMwM7A== - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 2 Jul 2010 17:12:02 -0000 Issue 1091
texascavers Digest 2 Jul 2010 17:12:02 - Issue 1091 Topics (messages 15232 through 15242): Re: Hurricane Alex and LdeS 15232 by: caverarch.aol.com live hurricane update - midnight 15233 by: David Re: live hurricane update 15234 by: David Hurricane Update 3 15235 by: David NM Bat Workshop 15236 by: Charles Goldsmith SUUNTO Clinometer PM5/360PC-Percent Degrees, 102200 - Ben Meadows 15237 by: Jon Cradit 15238 by: Dave H. Crusoe Re: Tropical Depression Alex 15239 by: David amateur spelunker ? 15240 by: David Ultra Electronics Rockphone 15241 by: Brian Vauter Laguna De Sanchez 15242 by: Don Cooper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- At least a half-dozen Mexican cavers in Monterrey and elsewhere close are aware that the LdeS group is in the mountains. Several from the Monterrey Tec student club had plans to join Crash and the others this weekend for caving before the storm arose. They are planning to try and meet them Friday or Saturday, at least to check if the road is passable. There will be regular radios in the trucks that should pick up some stations. I don't know if US weather radio broadcasts will extend that far. But they are definitely out of conventional touch: not a hint of cell service there. Roger Moore (at Laguna de Sanchez last November) -Original Message- From: Michael Krell mkr...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 8:53 am Subject: [Texascavers] Hurricane Alex and LdeS As a rule, I do not post to CaveTex, but I thought I'd bring this up. Crash, Matt T, and others are currently down at Laguna de Sanchez. It appears Hurricane Alex is making a good run at most of northern Mexico. This storm's rain shield looks like it will go over LdeS. Do the trips have any outside contact or are able to receive a weather radio signal that they can check? I've never been down to Mexico for caving, so don't know how storm runoff there can cause any local flooding that might strand the cavers for any amount of time. Does make me wonder - have any cavers ever gotten hit by a hurricane while caving in Mex? -Mike ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The center of the eye is now over land heading towards the Purificacion area.At this moment, the eye is over a tiny coastal community called Abasolo which is sort of 1/2 way between the towns of San Fernando and Ciudad Victoria. The Brownsville/McAllen area does not look like it is getting much rain on the radar. Just south of Kingsville there is a thin stretch or train of storm cells heading towards Laredo, but they don't look heavy. There is a large cell of storms on the south side of the storm in the El Abra area covering most of the mountains north of Ciudad Valles, all the way to the coastal towns north of Tampico. That cell is headed towards an area north of the town of Rio Verde and later north of San Luis Potosi. A large cloud appeared briefly south of the Florida Panhandle, and probably dumped some rain out there. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The eye just broke up and turned southwest from the points I mentioned in the last e-mail just a few minutes ago. Ciudad Valles is going to get wet, and it looks like Rio Verde too. The major storm cell appears to be heading for Ciudad Victoria, and passing just south of the Purificacion area, within the next 2 hours. Related to Alex, it looks like a big storm cell hit the western coastal town of Acaponeta ( south of Mazatlan ) and also a rural area to the east of Guadalajara. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thursday morning, 7:30 It looks like the brunt of the storm is spread out over the small towns north and northeast of the capital of the state of San Luis Potosi. Towns like Villa de Arista, and La Mantequilla, and west of Cerritos. The center of the storm has just passed over the Purificacion area headed for the town of Doctor Arroyo, but the majority of the rain is far south of there. There is a large cell out in the Gulf headed towards Galveston, and Houston. I would love to see what the following caves look like: Joya de Salas, Nacimiento Rio Sabinas, Nacimiento Rio Choy, and any other caves just north of Valles that take on a lot of water or release a lot of water. I bet the Rio Choy looks like an open fire hydrant. It would be interesting to see a giant whirlpool over Joya de Salas. I wonder what that cave will look like after the water has drained out ? I bet all the caves in the El Abra north of Ciudad Valles have a lot of water in them. Might be a good time
RE: [Texascavers] Re: Tropical Depression Alex
No caves on Tierra Nueva or Santa Maria. Yesterday we had a lot of rain in San Luis Potosi but todayis quite calm.Of course, havy rain on Sierra de Alvarez Have a nice day Miguel(one of the organizers on that mexpeleo)In san Luis Potosi From: dlocklea...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:13:08 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Tropical Depression Alex The news stopped covering the storm, but there is still lots of heavy rain falling onto the karst of the Sierra Madres. The area around the town of Rio Verde in San Luis Potosi, got the brunt of the storm today. Valley of the Ghost had heavy rain most of the day. That is where one of the Mexpeleo's was held. There are lots of pits around there ( Sierra de Alvarez ) South of the city of San Luis Potosi had heavy rain all day, but I don't know what caves are around there.Does the town of Tierra Nueva mean anything ? or Santa Maria del Rio ? Also, the karst area around Zaragoza, Nuevo Leon had heavy rain, along with nearby Arramberri. On a related note, I thought the Houston weather was kind of weird yesterday compared to a normal last day of June. The wind was stronger than normal and blowing in a direction that it didn't seem to normally blow. The humidity seemed to be even more miserable than normal. But the temperature seemed to be a few degrees cooler than normal. We had a heavy shower this morning as I predicted, and the rest of the day we had solid drizzle and an occasional downpour, but nothing to get excited over.I think my yard needed it. The center of the depression is still in S.L.P. One forecast shows it heading for Chihuahua.If that happens, then we will be getting more rain from this storm. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com _ Prefiero un día sin coche que sin Messenger www.vivirmessenger.com
texascavers Digest 2 Jul 2010 19:48:46 -0000 Issue 1092
texascavers Digest 2 Jul 2010 19:48:46 - Issue 1092 Topics (messages 15243 through 15255): Re: Laguna De Sanchez 15243 by: Ron Rutherford 15244 by: Don Arburn 15245 by: caverarch.aol.com 15246 by: Don Arburn 15247 by: Espeleo Coahuila 15248 by: Gill Edigar 15249 by: Nico Escamilla 15250 by: caverarch.aol.com 15251 by: Gill Edigar 15252 by: Espeleo Coahuila 15253 by: wesley s 15254 by: caverarch.aol.com Re: Tropical Depression Alex 15255 by: Miguel Blanco Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- According to Monica, the road between Monterrey and Saltillo is out. Not good. Don's iPhone. On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- ok friends I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others. They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this
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[Texascavers] road between monterrey and saltillo
Chris Nichols and I returned from Real de Catorce on Monday June 28 - our first time on the newly opened toll road. On the drive down we noticed that the road cuts were so new that the wire retaining mesh had not been hung. On the drive back, workers were swarming on the cliffs setting the mesh, perhaps in anticipation of the coming storm. A very few were using vertical devices, most were dangling with multiple body wraps halfway up the faces. It was an amazing sight to come around a corner and see 5-15 danglees struggling with the enormous and heavy rolls of metal. Only a fraction of the road cuts were secured on Monday. My quess is that vast quantities of rock came down in the rains. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] road between monterrey and saltillo
Both the toll and the other road from Monterrey to Saltillo are closed, both ways Nico On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Nancy Weaver nan...@io.com wrote: Chris Nichols and I returned from Real de Catorce on Monday June 28 - our first time on the newly opened toll road. On the drive down we noticed that the road cuts were so new that the wire retaining mesh had not been hung. On the drive back, workers were swarming on the cliffs setting the mesh, perhaps in anticipation of the coming storm. A very few were using vertical devices, most were dangling with multiple body wraps halfway up the faces. It was an amazing sight to come around a corner and see 5-15 danglees struggling with the enormous and heavy rolls of metal. Only a fraction of the road cuts were secured on Monday. My quess is that vast quantities of rock came down in the rains. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] electronic communications gadget
The range will depend mostly on what sort of antenna is attached to the thing. The photo of the box itself on the web page didn't show any antenna. But the main rockphone.html page does show a large loop antenna draped across a passage. The easiest may to get more range from devices like that is a larger antenna. For cave mapping location, the antenna has to be pretty accurately leveled in the cave, so it can't be a big, floppy loop like that shown. It is usually a rigid loop fastened to a board, which obviously limits the diameter for cave use. I've seen pictures of square antennas that fold up, though. Larger receiving antennas help too, although they pick up more random noise. Ages ago, back in the sixties, the Bureau of Mines had things that miners could deploy by running a wire around a mine pillar. If there's any new technology in the thing the military is considering buying, it would be how they get reasonable voice or data bandwidth through the thing and how they make it easy to interface to various input sources. There's competition between bandwidth and tuning the receiver narrowly enough to not pick up too many thunderstorms over Africa. My guess is if they're sending voice they don't have a very impressive range, even with a transmitting loop several meters in diameter. --Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] a roadtrip tip
We seldom talk about good food to take on our camping trips. Maybe it is because we all have different taste and different budgets. You can't go wrong with some good tasting salsa to put on your food, or to dip your chips in. Below is my current favorite: http://jardinefoods.elsstore.com/view/product/popup/?id=32749 Here is a link to order it: http://jardinefoods.elsstore.com/view/product/?id=32749 Kroger store sells it for $ 4 plus tax ( only 16 ounces ) The high salt content offsets the nutritional value of this product. You could make it yourself and leave out the salt, but that would require roasting all the ingredients ( which they allegedly do over a campfire ) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] GCC Trip Announcement - July 9-11
Hello Cavers, The next dig weekend at Grand Canyon Caverns will happen on the weekend of July 9-11. I need an RSVP by 8PM Monday, July 5th. Cavers will begin arriving Friday, and we'll work until midday Sunday. If you're interested in helping out, please email me and let me know when you intend to be there. The cafeteria is open for the season, so food shouldn't be a problem. If you have any questions, please let me know. I hope to see you there, -Rich ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
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[Texascavers] 50 Years Of Texas Caving direct link
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[Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
According to Monica, the road between Monterrey and Saltillo is out. Not good. Don's iPhone. On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
ok friends I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others. They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this institution all the information that we have, they ask for the names, we need to know how many people are there and try to localized, I give GPS coordenadas and the trip schedule. I talked today with my brother in law and he said all the roads in the mountain, and higway are destroyed, the wather in the river is more dangerous than Gilberto Hurricane, they try to pass but they cannot to do nothing yesterday. Nancy no has communication more by phone I have the phone of Civil protection and I will call them for have more news about ours friends. I think they are well, they are professional in difficult situation, they had equipment and very good trucks, and they are well. if they have radios, do you know with channel they use? is a good idea to try ! let me know I tell you later. Moni 2010/7/2 Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
DO NOT PANIC. The cavers at Laguna de Sanchez do not need any help from the authorities or rescue. There's no reason to assume that they are in any danger. They can make decisions about their safety without unrequested assistance from others. Sending a search party will only cause them more trouble. Some of them can walk out, others will stay with the vehicles. Don't try to help them. They know better than we do when they need help and they know where to get it. They just have to sit an wait (and go caving) like everybody else down there. Look, nobody can get to them before the roads are fixed and that will be, coincidentally, the same time that they can drive out. The whole concept of rescuing them is silly. They are in a better position to help themselves than we are to help them. They are competent and some potential rescuers are not. Just leave them be. I expect one of them to walk out and make a phone call soon. When they do that we will know what kind of transportation we'll need to send them to bring them back to Texas. --Ediger On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
No road to Laguna de Sanchez to speak of, just saw the news Monterrey topped at over 800 mm of rain, Im sure it was worse in the mountains south of the city, the canyon that leads to Laguna is flooded I dont think the Tec cavers will be able to get there (unless one of them owns an ultralight airplane or powered paraglider) its useless to try and get there no matter how badass a truck you're driving. Again they should be ok and we should not panic, worse that can happen is that they'll spend a few wet and miserable nights. Nico
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Nancy now has no water, but still has power, thankfully. Roger -Original Message- From: Espeleo Coahuila espeleocoahu...@gmail.com To: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com Cc: TSA Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 1:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez ok friends I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others. They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this institution all the information that we have, they ask for the names, we need to know how manypeople are there and try to localized, I give GPS coordenadas and thetrip schedule. I talked today with my brother in law and he said all theroads in the mountain, and higway are destroyed, the wather in theriver is more dangerous than Gilberto Hurricane, they try to pass butthey cannot to do nothing yesterday. Nancy no has communication more by phone I have the phone of Civilprotection and I will call them for have more news about ours friends. I think they are well, they are professional in difficult situation, they had equipment and very good trucks, and they are well. if they have radios, do you know with channel they use? is a good idea to try ! let me know I tell you later. Moni 2010/7/2 Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
The one thing we should not do is notify the Civil Protection authorities. There's an emergency going on down there and they couldn't care any more about a dozen gringos than the other couple of million Mexicans who have been affected by this hurricane. Our people were in a good place to weather the storm. Don't let your imagination run away with your unwarranted fears. The gringos can walk out or wait and come out just like everybody else when the road is put back into passable condition. We will see some of them soon, I'm predicting. We can go down and bring the cars and gear back later. --Ediger On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Ok I understand Gill, I'm In NOT PANIC, I know they are proffesional speleologist, and they can go out of difficult situation. They are well. The people from N.L. ask me information, they want to know where they are, because the roads are close, all the communication is bad no phone, no internet, no nothing, maybe they can spend more time that they plan, and need water and food for more time, there. I can help because I have connection and try to know more about the situation, but If you don't want I don't move nothing. OK I will copy your message for the people in Monterrey and they decide that they want to do. thanks and sorry for try to help. Monica Ponce ACEAC 2010/7/2 Gill Edigar gi...@att.net DO NOT PANIC. The cavers at Laguna de Sanchez do not need any help from the authorities or rescue. There's no reason to assume that they are in any danger. They can make decisions about their safety without unrequested assistance from others. Sending a search party will only cause them more trouble. Some of them can walk out, others will stay with the vehicles. Don't try to help them. They know better than we do when they need help and they know where to get it. They just have to sit an wait (and go caving) like everybody else down there. Look, nobody can get to them before the roads are fixed and that will be, coincidentally, the same time that they can drive out. The whole concept of rescuing them is silly. They are in a better position to help themselves than we are to help them. They are competent and some potential rescuers are not. Just leave them be. I expect one of them to walk out and make a phone call soon. When they do that we will know what kind of transportation we'll need to send them to bring them back to Texas. --Ediger On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote: They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
RE: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Moni, Jim y los otros no necesitan ayuda ahora. Esperate un dia o dos. La Protecion Civil tienen suficiente problemas ahora. Los cuevadores no estan uno de las problemas. Wes~ List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:48:58 -0500 From: espeleocoahu...@gmail.com To: donarb...@mac.com CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez ok friends I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others. They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this institution all the information that we have, they ask for the names, we need to know how many people are there and try to localized, I give GPS coordenadas and the trip schedule. I talked today with my brother in law and he said all the roads in the mountain, and higway are destroyed, the wather in the river is more dangerous than Gilberto Hurricane, they try to pass but they cannot to do nothing yesterday. Nancy no has communication more by phone I have the phone of Civil protection and I will call them for have more news about ours friends. I think they are well, they are professional in difficult situation, they had equipment and very good trucks, and they are well. if they have radios, do you know with channel they use? is a good idea to try ! let me know I tell you later. Moni 2010/7/2 Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Yes, and the rain has stopped in Monterrey according to Nancy a few minutes ago. How are you doing, Nico? Roger -Original Message- From: Nico Escamilla pitboun...@gmail.com To: Espeleo Coahuila espeleocoahu...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; TSA Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 1:59 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez No road to Laguna de Sanchez to speak of, just saw the news Monterrey topped at over 800 mm of rain, Im sure it was worse in the mountains south of the city, the canyon that leads to Laguna is flooded I dont think the Tec cavers will be able to get there (unless one of them owns an ultralight airplane or powered paraglider) its useless to try and get there no matter how badass a truck you're driving. Again they should be ok and we should not panic, worse that can happen is that they'll spend a few wet and miserable nights. Nico
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Hi! Yes, I second Gill, do not panic, don't send them help unless the expressly request it. They are in a good place, close to more people (that is, even if they end up spending a little bit longer than expected, they can get food locally). I'm sure that they'll figure their way out (by themselves, most probably, and if not, they'll ask for help). It's not like they are caught inside a cave in a small passage with the water rising. Here are two links to pictures from the rains in Monterrey: http://www.terra.com.mx/galeria.aspx?galeriaid=24421 http://www.terra.com.mx/galeria.aspx?galeriaid=24426 I'm sending these not to be all OMG, let's send help to Laguna de Sanches now!!! but because it's pretty amazing to see the R�o Santa Catarina so full (and notice how people in the pictures are admiring the water and not running around in panic). - Fofo Gill Edigar wrote, on 2/7/10 11:57 : DO NOT PANIC. The cavers at Laguna de Sanchez do not need any help from the authorities or rescue. There's no reason to assume that they are in any danger. They can make decisions about their safety without unrequested assistance from others. Sending a search party will only cause them more trouble. Some of them can walk out, others will stay with the vehicles. Don't try to help them. They know better than we do when they need help and they know where to get it. They just have to sit an wait (and go caving) like everybody else down there. Look, nobody can get to them before the roads are fixed and that will be, coincidentally, the same time that they can drive out. The whole concept of rescuing them is silly. They are in a better position to help themselves than we are to help them. They are competent and some potential rescuers are not. Just leave them be. I expect one of them to walk out and make a phone call soon. When they do that we will know what kind of transportation we'll need to send them to bring them back to Texas. --Ediger On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com mailto:donarb...@mac.com wrote: They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com mailto:cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
I'm aware of that, and don't intend to be a fear-monger. I checked with the TEC cavers back well before the storm struck to see if the LdeS group had gone in yet. I've been there, as you know, and I figured as soon as the storm route became clear that they might get stuck for a while. I'm sure they set up the kitchen again and are eating hot food now if the rain has stopped or slacked some. Roger -Original Message- From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com To: TSA Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't worry just yet... On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote: All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the region by now.) Steve Yoachum just wrote me that Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow. That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they had 300 mm. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Ron Rutherford rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Cavers, Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the recent weather event. Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how would that be done? -WaV -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
This just in from Crystal who talked with Vico who talked to Jim Kennedy in Mexico. Jim called Vico. There's a bunch of water. The road is washed out, but they're already working on it. Everything is freaking fine. Now, get back to work.
Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
As the NM State Police officer said after arriving at what he expected to be a fatal disaster area at the '86 NSS convention campground - after a 100-year flood went trrough the middle of it - You all are the most resilient bunch I've ever seen! It takes more than a lot of water to do cavers in. Jim Evatt - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Fwd: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Good News!!! thanks ! Moni -- Forwarded message -- From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 2010/7/2 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez To: cavera...@aol.com Cc: donarb...@mac.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com This just in from Crystal who talked with Vico who talked to Jim Kennedy in Mexico. Jim called Vico. There's a bunch of water. The road is washed out, but they're already working on it. Everything is freaking fine. Now, get back to work. -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
RE: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Thanks to Vico, Crystal and Gill for the update. Sheryl From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 6:38 PM To: cavera...@aol.com Cc: donarb...@mac.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez This just in from Crystal who talked with Vico who talked to Jim Kennedy in Mexico. Jim called Vico. There's a bunch of water. The road is washed out, but they're already working on it. Everything is freaking fine. Now, get back to work.
[Texascavers] L de S
Did it not occur to anyone that there's likely a telephone in Laguna de Sánchez? You remember, the kind that's attached to a wire? Good grief. Nobody's stuck in a wilderness eating bark and grubs. The worst that might happen is that the town runs out of beer before the road is fixed. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] L de S
Don't they make a mean moonshine up in dem thar hills? Should be plenty o booze when the cerveza runs out! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Did it not occur to anyone that there's likely a telephone in Laguna de Sánchez? You remember, the kind that's attached to a wire? Good grief. Nobody's stuck in a wilderness eating bark and grubs. The worst that might happen is that the town runs out of beer before the road is fixed. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] L de S
Apple booze. And it IS good. Don's iPhone. On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Joe Ranzau jran...@gmail.com wrote: Don't they make a mean moonshine up in dem thar hills? Should be plenty o booze when the cerveza runs out! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Did it not occur to anyone that there's likely a telephone in Laguna de Sánchez? You remember, the kind that's attached to a wire? Good g rief. Nobody's stuck in a wilderness eating bark and grubs. The worst that might happen is that the town runs out of beer before the road is fixed. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] L de S
All the land lines were down. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Did it not occur to anyone that there's likely a telephone in Laguna de Sánchez? You remember, the kind that's attached to a wire? Good grief. Nobody's stuck in a wilderness eating bark and grubs. The worst that might happen is that the town runs out of beer before the road is fixed. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] L de S
A wire on a telephone, what's that? You mean like an old fashioned antenna? :) -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sent: Jul 2, 2010 9:12 PM To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] L de S Did it not occur to anyone that there's likely a telephone in Laguna de Sánchez? You remember, the kind that's attached to a wire? Good grief. Nobody's stuck in a wilderness eating bark and grubs. The worst that might happen is that the town runs out of beer before the road is fixed. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] L de S
On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Mixon Bill wrote: Nobody's stuck in a wilderness eating bark and grubs. -- Mixon But they COULD BE. Actual grub from L de S: - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 3 Jul 2010 01:28:15 -0000 Issue 1093
texascavers Digest 3 Jul 2010 01:28:15 - Issue 1093 Topics (messages 15256 through 15277): Re: Ultra Electronics Rockphone 15256 by: Mark Minton 15257 by: Brian Vauter 15260 by: Bill Walden road between monterrey and saltillo 15258 by: Nancy Weaver 15259 by: Nico Escamilla Re: Laguna De Sanchez 15261 by: Fofo 15263 by: caverarch.aol.com 15264 by: Gill Edigar 15266 by: Jim Evatt 15267 by: Espeleo Coahuila 15269 by: Sheryl Rieck electronic communications gadget 15262 by: Mixon Bill a roadtrip tip 15265 by: David 50 Years Of Texas Caving direct link 15268 by: Logan McNatt Re: Laguna De Sanchez good news 15270 by: Logan McNatt 15276 by: Nico Escamilla L de S 15271 by: Mixon Bill 15272 by: Joe Ranzau 15273 by: Don Arburn 15274 by: Gill Edigar 15275 by: Rod Goke 15277 by: Don Arburn Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- It seems rather suspicious that they do not give a useful operating range for this Rock Phone, even in the pdf of additional information (which in fact has no specifications). I wonder how much rock it can penetrate. Mark Minton At 09:48 AM 7/2/2010, Brian Vauter wrote: I don't know if this has made the rounds on CaveTex, but the company (Ultra Electronics) was just awarded a US Army contract for their Magneto Inductive rock phones. http://www.ultra-uems.com/rockphone.html Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I had also noticed their lack of any real data on the phone's range through rock. There's a link to a publication called the *Government Security News* that has an article on the Rock Phones. In the article, they also don't mention how far the voice signals can penetrate. An interesting aside, however, is that they also state that US Special Forces paid them $5.7 million for a special detonating device (MI-RAMS) which can transmit a signal through 150 to 500 meters of any material (soil, rock, etc.) to remotely detonate explosives. A vehicle-mounted system can apparently transmit up to 1,500 meters. I assume that the signal to make boom is easier to send than the signal to say boom. Here's the link to the article: http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20744/‘rock_phones’_could_help_us_forces_pursue_osama_bihttp://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20744/%E2%80%98rock_phones%E2%80%99_could_help_us_forces_pursue_osama_bi -brian On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: It seems rather suspicious that they do not give a useful operating range for this Rock Phone, even in the pdf of additional information (which in fact has no specifications). I wonder how much rock it can penetrate. Mark Minton ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Check the the following site for info: Patent application title: METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR RELAYING SIGNALS FROM A MAGNETO-INDUCTIVE SYSTEM THROUGH A VOICE-BAND SYSTEM http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080227390 Bill Walden - Original Message - From: Brian Vauter To: texascavers Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ultra Electronics Rockphone I had also noticed their lack of any real data on the phone's range through rock. There's a link to a publication called the Government Security News that has an article on the Rock Phones. In the article, they also don't mention how far the voice signals can penetrate. An interesting aside, however, is that they also state that US Special Forces paid them $5.7 million for a special detonating device (MI-RAMS) which can transmit a signal through 150 to 500 meters of any material (soil, rock, etc.) to remotely detonate explosives. A vehicle-mounted system can apparently transmit up to 1,500 meters. I assume that the signal to make boom is easier to send than the signal to say boom. Here's the link to the article: http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20744/‘rock_phones’_could_help_us_forces_pursue_osama_bi -brian On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: It seems rather suspicious that they do not give a useful operating range for this Rock Phone, even in the pdf of additional information (which in fact has no specifications). I wonder how much rock it can penetrate. Mark Minton ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Chris Nichols and I returned from Real de Catorce on Monday June 28 - our first time on the newly opened toll road. On the drive
[Texascavers] Re: Laguna De Sanchez good news
That's very good news indeed. If any of you have ever ridden with Crash, you know that a relatively minor hurricane and flooded rivers aren't going to stop him for long. So he's got cell phone coverage now? Hey everybody, let's all call Jim and wish him and the group a safe trip home! No, better not. Talking on a cell phone while driving can be dangerous. LowGun - Gill Edigar wrote: This just in from Crystal who talked with Vico who talked to Jim Kennedy in Mexico. Jim called Vico. There's a bunch of water. The road is washed out, but they're already working on it. Everything is freaking fine. Now, get back to work. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Laguna De Sanchez good news
Alex was far from minor, according to the weather guy Santa Catarina river was flowing more cubic meters per second than when Gilbert swept this area back in 88 Nico On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: That's very good news indeed. If any of you have ever ridden with Crash, you know that a relatively minor hurricane and flooded rivers aren't going to stop him for long. So he's got cell phone coverage now? Hey everybody, let's all call Jim and wish him and the group a safe trip home! No, better not. Talking on a cell phone while driving can be dangerous. LowGun - Gill Edigar wrote: This just in from Crystal who talked with Vico who talked to Jim Kennedy in Mexico. Jim called Vico. There's a bunch of water. The road is washed out, but they're already working on it. Everything is freaking fine. Now, get back to work. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Laguna De Sanchez good news
god damn it Vico did NOT talk to JIM - information was related from Jim's group TO Vico FROM a caver associate in Monterrey. -WaV On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: That's very good news indeed. If any of you have ever ridden with Crash, you know that a relatively minor hurricane and flooded rivers aren't going to stop him for long. So he's got cell phone coverage now? Hey everybody, let's all call Jim and wish him and the group a safe trip home! No, better not. Talking on a cell phone while driving can be dangerous. LowGun - Gill Edigar wrote: This just in from Crystal who talked with Vico who talked to Jim Kennedy in Mexico. Jim called Vico. There's a bunch of water. The road is washed out, but they're already working on it. Everything is freaking fine. Now, get back to work. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Ultra Electronics Rockphone
I don't know if this has made the rounds on CaveTex, but the company (Ultra Electronics) was just awarded a US Army contract for their Magneto Inductive rock phones. http://www.ultra-uems.com/rockphone.html
[Texascavers] Re: Ultra Electronics Rockphone
It seems rather suspicious that they do not give a useful operating range for this Rock Phone, even in the pdf of additional information (which in fact has no specifications). I wonder how much rock it can penetrate. Mark Minton At 09:48 AM 7/2/2010, Brian Vauter wrote: I don't know if this has made the rounds on CaveTex, but the company (Ultra Electronics) was just awarded a US Army contract for their Magneto Inductive rock phones. http://www.ultra-uems.com/rockphone.html Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ultra Electronics Rockphone
I had also noticed their lack of any real data on the phone's range through rock. There's a link to a publication called the *Government Security News* that has an article on the Rock Phones. In the article, they also don't mention how far the voice signals can penetrate. An interesting aside, however, is that they also state that US Special Forces paid them $5.7 million for a special detonating device (MI-RAMS) which can transmit a signal through 150 to 500 meters of any material (soil, rock, etc.) to remotely detonate explosives. A vehicle-mounted system can apparently transmit up to 1,500 meters. I assume that the signal to make boom is easier to send than the signal to say boom. Here's the link to the article: http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20744/‘rock_phones’_could_help_us_forces_pursue_osama_bihttp://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20744/%E2%80%98rock_phones%E2%80%99_could_help_us_forces_pursue_osama_bi -brian On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: It seems rather suspicious that they do not give a useful operating range for this Rock Phone, even in the pdf of additional information (which in fact has no specifications). I wonder how much rock it can penetrate. Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ultra Electronics Rockphone
Check the the following site for info: Patent application title: METHOD AND SYSTEM FOR RELAYING SIGNALS FROM A MAGNETO-INDUCTIVE SYSTEM THROUGH A VOICE-BAND SYSTEM http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080227390 Bill Walden - Original Message - From: Brian Vauter To: texascavers Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ultra Electronics Rockphone I had also noticed their lack of any real data on the phone's range through rock. There's a link to a publication called the Government Security News that has an article on the Rock Phones. In the article, they also don't mention how far the voice signals can penetrate. An interesting aside, however, is that they also state that US Special Forces paid them $5.7 million for a special detonating device (MI-RAMS) which can transmit a signal through 150 to 500 meters of any material (soil, rock, etc.) to remotely detonate explosives. A vehicle-mounted system can apparently transmit up to 1,500 meters. I assume that the signal to make boom is easier to send than the signal to say boom. Here's the link to the article: http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20744/‘rock_phones’_could_help_us_forces_pursue_osama_bi -brian On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: It seems rather suspicious that they do not give a useful operating range for this Rock Phone, even in the pdf of additional information (which in fact has no specifications). I wonder how much rock it can penetrate. Mark Minton
