Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List?
One of the main reasons I hang and cave with Cavers are THE INTERESTING THINGS WE DISCUSS. Caving related or not, the wonderful diversity of opinions, beliefs, vocations... Rod, excellent insight. Sheryl, EXACTLY. Can you read the header? Don't want to be bothered? DELETE. Sorry, my opinion is TOUGH Y'all are friends, I enjoy what you offer and say, on topic or not. Post, read, enjoy. Don's iPhone. On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > Well, the below made me laugh. Thanks for that, Rod. > > > Sheryl > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Rod Goke wrote: > > It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have been > something like the following: > > We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses ...
Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List?
One of the main reasons I hang and cave with Cavers are THE INTERESTING THINGS WE DISCUSS. Caving related or not, the wonderful diversity of opinions, beliefs, vocations... Rod, excellent insight. Sheryl, EXACTLY. Can you read the header? Don't want to be bothered? DELETE. Sorry, my opinion is TOUGH Y'all are friends, I enjoy what you offer and say, on topic or not. Post, read, enjoy. Don's iPhone. On Mar 17, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > Well, the below made me laugh. Thanks for that, Rod. > > > Sheryl > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Rod Goke wrote: > > It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have been > something like the following: > > We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses ...
Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List?
Well, the below made me laugh. Thanks for that, Rod. Here are my two cents. I don't see what the big deal is. I don't want to read 50 posts about why everyone should join the NSS and another 50 about every single solitary caving related event the world over. So I use my delete button. I actually enjoy a lot of the off-topic conversation. That which I do not enjoy, I delete. Please tell me how lazy you have to be to think that clicking a button that takes less than 2 seconds to click is a big deal. Most email programs allow for multiple deletes. I wonder how long it takes to write the email complaining about the emails? So, there is my opinion. It isn't worth much, but it is all I have. :-) See you at TSA Spring Convention! Sheryl On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Rod Goke wrote: > > It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have > been something like the following: > > > We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses it. > > > Perhaps they don't know how to use it. > > > No. It's easy. Just read the directions. > > > Where can I find the directions? > > > Look in the cabinet. > > > The cabinet is locked. How can I get in? > > > Use the key? > > > Where's the key. > > > Look next to the needle. > > > What needle? > > > The one in the haystack. > > > Never mind. I don't want to use it after all. > > > You see, even you won't use it, so there's no > > point in wasting effort to improve it. > > > It was nice of Louise to provide the OT address. That's more than anyone > else has done lately to make the OT List useable, but it's not a complete > answer. What are we supposed to do with that address? How can we receive the > OT messages? I bet that we first have to do something to subscribe to the OT > List, but exactly how are Texascavers subscribers supposed to do that? > Likewise, if you want to send a message to the OT List, how do you do that? > Perhaps you simply email it to the OT address, right? Well, if you do that, > you get the following "failure notice" from mailer-dae...@gnome.wokka.org: > > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gnome.wokka.org. > >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > >: > > >Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please > forward > >this message to ot-ow...@texascavers.com to get your new address > >included (#5.7.2) > >... > > > Exploring this kind of digital obstacle course might be tolerable for > people really determined to use the service, but for Texascavers subscribers > seeking a convenient way to engage in "virtual campfire" chat, it's no > wonder that no one bothers to use it. > > > Rod > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Louise Power > > Sent: Mar 16, 2011 3:04 AM > > To: Rod Goke , Texas Cavers > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? > > > > For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: > > o...@texascavers.com > > People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off > after a time. > > > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 > > From: rod.g...@earthlink.net > > To: Texascavers@texascavers.com > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? > > > > > > R D asked, > > > "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" > > > Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how > to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall > into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of > messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious > OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do > that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! > > > If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure > that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, > and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people > will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread > begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a > brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT > topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in > which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular > Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. > > > Rod > > > -- > > > From: R D Milhollin > > Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM > > To: Cave Texas > > Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? > > > There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here > lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was > expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave
Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List?
Well, the below made me laugh. Thanks for that, Rod. Here are my two cents. I don't see what the big deal is. I don't want to read 50 posts about why everyone should join the NSS and another 50 about every single solitary caving related event the world over. So I use my delete button. I actually enjoy a lot of the off-topic conversation. That which I do not enjoy, I delete. Please tell me how lazy you have to be to think that clicking a button that takes less than 2 seconds to click is a big deal. Most email programs allow for multiple deletes. I wonder how long it takes to write the email complaining about the emails? So, there is my opinion. It isn't worth much, but it is all I have. :-) See you at TSA Spring Convention! Sheryl On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Rod Goke wrote: > > It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have > been something like the following: > > > We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses it. > > > Perhaps they don't know how to use it. > > > No. It's easy. Just read the directions. > > > Where can I find the directions? > > > Look in the cabinet. > > > The cabinet is locked. How can I get in? > > > Use the key? > > > Where's the key. > > > Look next to the needle. > > > What needle? > > > The one in the haystack. > > > Never mind. I don't want to use it after all. > > > You see, even you won't use it, so there's no > > point in wasting effort to improve it. > > > It was nice of Louise to provide the OT address. That's more than anyone > else has done lately to make the OT List useable, but it's not a complete > answer. What are we supposed to do with that address? How can we receive the > OT messages? I bet that we first have to do something to subscribe to the OT > List, but exactly how are Texascavers subscribers supposed to do that? > Likewise, if you want to send a message to the OT List, how do you do that? > Perhaps you simply email it to the OT address, right? Well, if you do that, > you get the following "failure notice" from mailer-dae...@gnome.wokka.org: > > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gnome.wokka.org. > >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > >: > > >Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please > forward > >this message to ot-ow...@texascavers.com to get your new address > >included (#5.7.2) > >... > > > Exploring this kind of digital obstacle course might be tolerable for > people really determined to use the service, but for Texascavers subscribers > seeking a convenient way to engage in "virtual campfire" chat, it's no > wonder that no one bothers to use it. > > > Rod > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Louise Power > > Sent: Mar 16, 2011 3:04 AM > > To: Rod Goke , Texas Cavers > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? > > > > For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: > > o...@texascavers.com > > People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off > after a time. > > > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 > > From: rod.g...@earthlink.net > > To: Texascavers@texascavers.com > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? > > > > > > R D asked, > > > "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" > > > Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how > to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall > into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of > messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious > OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do > that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! > > > If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure > that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, > and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people > will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread > begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a > brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT > topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in > which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular > Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. > > > Rod > > > -- > > > From: R D Milhollin > > Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM > > To: Cave Texas > > Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? > > > There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here > lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was > expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave
RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List?
It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have been something like the following: We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses it. Perhaps they don't know how to use it. No. It's easy. Just read the directions. Where can I find the directions? Look in the cabinet. The cabinet is locked. How can I get in? Use the key? Where's the key. Look next to the needle. What needle? The one in the haystack. Never mind. I don't want to use it after all. You see, even you won't use it, so there's no point in wasting effort to improve it. It was nice of Louise to provide the OT address. That's more than anyone else has done lately to make the OT List useable, but it's not a complete answer. What are we supposed to do with that address? How can we receive the OT messages? I bet that we first have to do something to subscribe to the OT List, but exactly how are Texascavers subscribers supposed to do that? Likewise, if you want to send a message to the OT List, how do you do that? Perhaps you simply email it to the OT address, right? Well, if you do that, you get the following "failure notice" from mailer-dae...@gnome.wokka.org: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gnome.wokka.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward this message to ot-ow...@texascavers.com to get your new address included (#5.7.2) ... Exploring this kind of digital obstacle course might be tolerable for people really determined to use the service, but for Texascavers subscribers seeking a convenient way to engage in "virtual campfire" chat, it's no wonder that no one bothers to use it. Rod -Original Message- From: Louise Power Sent: Mar 16, 2011 3:04 AM To: Rod Goke , Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: o...@texascavers.com People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off after a time. Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 From: rod.g...@earthlink.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? R D asked, "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. Rod -- From: R D Milhollin Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM To: Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave-related topics. Does anyone else remember this? Seems that my mailbox set to receive caving stuff is getting filled up with other, unrelated material. I expect to read about WNS, caving trips, convention and meeting announcements, news about fellow cavers, cave cleanups, cave publications, and other information I can't find anywhere else, or nearly anywhere else here on the Texas Cavers list. Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List?
It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have been something like the following: We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses it. Perhaps they don't know how to use it. No. It's easy. Just read the directions. Where can I find the directions? Look in the cabinet. The cabinet is locked. How can I get in? Use the key? Where's the key. Look next to the needle. What needle? The one in the haystack. Never mind. I don't want to use it after all. You see, even you won't use it, so there's no point in wasting effort to improve it. It was nice of Louise to provide the OT address. That's more than anyone else has done lately to make the OT List useable, but it's not a complete answer. What are we supposed to do with that address? How can we receive the OT messages? I bet that we first have to do something to subscribe to the OT List, but exactly how are Texascavers subscribers supposed to do that? Likewise, if you want to send a message to the OT List, how do you do that? Perhaps you simply email it to the OT address, right? Well, if you do that, you get the following "failure notice" from mailer-dae...@gnome.wokka.org: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gnome.wokka.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward this message to ot-ow...@texascavers.com to get your new address included (#5.7.2) ... Exploring this kind of digital obstacle course might be tolerable for people really determined to use the service, but for Texascavers subscribers seeking a convenient way to engage in "virtual campfire" chat, it's no wonder that no one bothers to use it. Rod -Original Message- From: Louise Power Sent: Mar 16, 2011 3:04 AM To: Rod Goke , Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: o...@texascavers.com People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off after a time. Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 From: rod.g...@earthlink.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? R D asked, "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. Rod -- From: R D Milhollin Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM To: Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave-related topics. Does anyone else remember this? Seems that my mailbox set to receive caving stuff is getting filled up with other, unrelated material. I expect to read about WNS, caving trips, convention and meeting announcements, news about fellow cavers, cave cleanups, cave publications, and other information I can't find anywhere else, or nearly anywhere else here on the Texas Cavers list. Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Japan earthquake displaced water in Edwards Aquifer
The water level of Texas' Edwards Aquifer was displaced about a foot Friday after energy released from a massive earthquake near Japan put the squeeze on the underground rock formation that supplies drinking water for much of Central Texas. The 9.0-magnitude quake caused its walls to contract and expand, officials with the Edwards Aquifer Authority said Wednesday. A monitor in a Bexar County well that continuously records the aquifer's water level noted the oscillations, which lasted about two hours from late Thursday to early Friday morning, said Geary Schindel , the authority's chief technical officer. The force from the quake took about 15 minutes to reach the aquifer, he said. "When a wave from an earthquake passes, it slightly compresses and dilates the aquifer, and the water will shoot up and down," Schindel said. "Any time we see a major earthquake, it's commonly recorded in that well. They act as seismographs." The oscillations during high-energy earthquakes are common in artesian aquifers, or confined aquifers, where the water is pressurized, including the Edwards Aquifer, Schindel said. "We saw Haiti, we saw Sumatra, Japan, a couple in Mexico and Alaska," he said of recent earthquakes. The well, named J-17 , has been monitoring the aquifer's water level in Bexar County since the 1950s, Schindel said. A float that rests on the water surface hundreds of feet underground is connected to a wire and a wheel that records the level on pen and paper, he said. Water restrictions are tied to readings, Schindel said. The sprawling aquifer cuts underground through Central Texas and provides drinking water for about 1.7 million people, including most of San Antonio, said Roland Ruiz, spokesman for the regulatory agency that manages and protects the aquifer's San Antonio segment. ddoolit...@statesman.com; 445-3671 http://www.statesman.com/news/local/japan-earthquake-displaced-water-in-edwards-aquifer-1326387.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Japan earthquake displaced water in Edwards Aquifer
The water level of Texas' Edwards Aquifer was displaced about a foot Friday after energy released from a massive earthquake near Japan put the squeeze on the underground rock formation that supplies drinking water for much of Central Texas. The 9.0-magnitude quake caused its walls to contract and expand, officials with the Edwards Aquifer Authority said Wednesday. A monitor in a Bexar County well that continuously records the aquifer's water level noted the oscillations, which lasted about two hours from late Thursday to early Friday morning, said Geary Schindel , the authority's chief technical officer. The force from the quake took about 15 minutes to reach the aquifer, he said. "When a wave from an earthquake passes, it slightly compresses and dilates the aquifer, and the water will shoot up and down," Schindel said. "Any time we see a major earthquake, it's commonly recorded in that well. They act as seismographs." The oscillations during high-energy earthquakes are common in artesian aquifers, or confined aquifers, where the water is pressurized, including the Edwards Aquifer, Schindel said. "We saw Haiti, we saw Sumatra, Japan, a couple in Mexico and Alaska," he said of recent earthquakes. The well, named J-17 , has been monitoring the aquifer's water level in Bexar County since the 1950s, Schindel said. A float that rests on the water surface hundreds of feet underground is connected to a wire and a wheel that records the level on pen and paper, he said. Water restrictions are tied to readings, Schindel said. The sprawling aquifer cuts underground through Central Texas and provides drinking water for about 1.7 million people, including most of San Antonio, said Roland Ruiz, spokesman for the regulatory agency that manages and protects the aquifer's San Antonio segment. ddoolit...@statesman.com; 445-3671 http://www.statesman.com/news/local/japan-earthquake-displaced-water-in-edwards-aquifer-1326387.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 22:43:20 -0000 Issue 1268
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 22:43:20 - Issue 1268 Topics (messages 17386 through 17392): PNG Caves on Google Earth 17386 by: John P Brooks NSS Headquarters Commission 17387 by: R D Milhollin 17392 by: Rod Goke Slightly off topic: REI Job Opportunities 17388 by: Matt Turner Re: NSS Headquarters opinions 17389 by: David Re: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP 17390 by: Diana Tomchick March trip report from the TSA Colorado Bend State Park karst project -- ENJOY! 17391 by: Jim Kennedy Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- After seeing "Sanctum"...I was interested in the real story of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. And I have been reading "Beneath the Cloud Forests" by Howard Beck. It is a history of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. Numerous expeditions were lured to PNG after seeing large "mega dolines" on aerial photographs taken by companies doing oil and mineral explorations. I wondered if these "mega dolines" would be visible on Google Earth...and sure enough...have found a few. Most of the aerials used by Google Earth for PNG are too low resolution (or the mountains are too obscured by cloud cover) to be of much use. But some of the mega dolines show up anyway. I have been looking for Nare. But the resolution appears to low to see the entrance. Here are a few that I have found: Minye: Latitude: 5°14'35.30"S Longitude:151°30'16.50"E Kururu: Latitude: 5°49'7.41"S Longitude:151° 3'59.44"E Unidentified Hole?: Latitude: 4°59'2.04"S Longitude:142°30'24.14"E --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director. Hello Cavers, The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents. It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue. b...@caves.org Locations the HQ Commission is looking at: Huntsville, Alabama 1. Cahaba Shrine Temple 2. University Office Park Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area 3. Indian Cave 4. Cedar Hill 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit Bowling Green, Kentucky 6. Lost River Cave All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf Thanks Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- That's an interesting document comparing several alternatives for "the future location of the NSS Headquarters", but it doesn't mention the most obvious option of all, namely leaving the NSS Headquarters where it is. Perhaps this option is unrealistic for reasons that have been explained elsewhere, but if that is the case, the document comparing alternatives should at least summarize why the Headquarters has to move and, if appropriate, should reference any other documents explaining the necessity of this Headquarters move in more detail. Recently, there has been discussion about declining membership and limited financial resources of the NSS. If that's true, I would think that the NSS should be very careful about spending more than we can afford on a move that might be more expensive than necessary.I think that David's message on this subject made a valid point in that most NSS members and potential members will rarely, if ever, visit the NSS Headquarters. The country is simply too large for any one location to be practically accessible to more than a tiny fraction of American cavers. For most of us, contact with the NSS is limited to what we can do remotely by mail, by Internet, by attending conventions, etc. Consequently, for us, the primary value of the NSS Headquarters is its ability to support these remote services.Rod-Original Message->From: R D Milhollin >Sent: Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM>To: Texascavers List >Subject: [Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission>>Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director.>>Hello Cavers,>>The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is >getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance >the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, >hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents.>>It's important that you le
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 22:43:20 -0000 Issue 1268
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 22:43:20 - Issue 1268 Topics (messages 17386 through 17392): PNG Caves on Google Earth 17386 by: John P Brooks NSS Headquarters Commission 17387 by: R D Milhollin 17392 by: Rod Goke Slightly off topic: REI Job Opportunities 17388 by: Matt Turner Re: NSS Headquarters opinions 17389 by: David Re: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP 17390 by: Diana Tomchick March trip report from the TSA Colorado Bend State Park karst project -- ENJOY! 17391 by: Jim Kennedy Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- After seeing "Sanctum"...I was interested in the real story of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. And I have been reading "Beneath the Cloud Forests" by Howard Beck. It is a history of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. Numerous expeditions were lured to PNG after seeing large "mega dolines" on aerial photographs taken by companies doing oil and mineral explorations. I wondered if these "mega dolines" would be visible on Google Earth...and sure enough...have found a few. Most of the aerials used by Google Earth for PNG are too low resolution (or the mountains are too obscured by cloud cover) to be of much use. But some of the mega dolines show up anyway. I have been looking for Nare. But the resolution appears to low to see the entrance. Here are a few that I have found: Minye: Latitude: 5°14'35.30"S Longitude:151°30'16.50"E Kururu: Latitude: 5°49'7.41"S Longitude:151° 3'59.44"E Unidentified Hole?: Latitude: 4°59'2.04"S Longitude:142°30'24.14"E --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director. Hello Cavers, The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents. It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue. b...@caves.org Locations the HQ Commission is looking at: Huntsville, Alabama 1. Cahaba Shrine Temple 2. University Office Park Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area 3. Indian Cave 4. Cedar Hill 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit Bowling Green, Kentucky 6. Lost River Cave All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf Thanks Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- That's an interesting document comparing several alternatives for "the future location of the NSS Headquarters", but it doesn't mention the most obvious option of all, namely leaving the NSS Headquarters where it is. Perhaps this option is unrealistic for reasons that have been explained elsewhere, but if that is the case, the document comparing alternatives should at least summarize why the Headquarters has to move and, if appropriate, should reference any other documents explaining the necessity of this Headquarters move in more detail. Recently, there has been discussion about declining membership and limited financial resources of the NSS. If that's true, I would think that the NSS should be very careful about spending more than we can afford on a move that might be more expensive than necessary.I think that David's message on this subject made a valid point in that most NSS members and potential members will rarely, if ever, visit the NSS Headquarters. The country is simply too large for any one location to be practically accessible to more than a tiny fraction of American cavers. For most of us, contact with the NSS is limited to what we can do remotely by mail, by Internet, by attending conventions, etc. Consequently, for us, the primary value of the NSS Headquarters is its ability to support these remote services.Rod-Original Message->From: R D Milhollin >Sent: Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM>To: Texascavers List >Subject: [Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission>>Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director.>>Hello Cavers,>>The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is >getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance >the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, >hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents.>>It's important that you le
Re: [Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission
That's an interesting document comparing several alternatives for "the future location of the NSS Headquarters", but it doesn't mention the most obvious option of all, namely leaving the NSS Headquarters where it is. Perhaps this option is unrealistic for reasons that have been explained elsewhere, but if that is the case, the document comparing alternatives should at least summarize why the Headquarters has to move and, if appropriate, should reference any other documents explaining the necessity of this Headquarters move in more detail. Recently, there has been discussion about declining membership and limited financial resources of the NSS. If that's true, I would think that the NSS should be very careful about spending more than we can afford on a move that might be more expensive than necessary.I think that David's message on this subject made a valid point in that most NSS members and potential members will rarely, if ever, visit the NSS Headquarters. The country is simply too large for any one location to be practically accessible to more than a tiny fraction of American cavers. For most of us, contact with the NSS is limited to what we can do remotely by mail, by Internet, by attending conventions, etc. Consequently, for us, the primary value of the NSS Headquarters is its ability to support these remote services.Rod-Original Message->From: R D Milhollin >Sent: Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM>To: Texascavers List >Subject: [Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission>>Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director.>>Hello Cavers,>>The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is >getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance >the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, >hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents.>>It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. >>Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in>April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue.>>b...@caves.org>>Locations the HQ Commission is looking at:>>Huntsville, Alabama>1. Cahaba Shrine Temple>2. University Office Park>>Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area>3. Indian Cave>4. Cedar Hill>5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit>>Bowling Green, Kentucky>6. Lost River Cave>>All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... >>http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf>>Thanks>Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL>>> >>->Visit our website: http://texascavers.com>To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com>For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission
That's an interesting document comparing several alternatives for "the future location of the NSS Headquarters", but it doesn't mention the most obvious option of all, namely leaving the NSS Headquarters where it is. Perhaps this option is unrealistic for reasons that have been explained elsewhere, but if that is the case, the document comparing alternatives should at least summarize why the Headquarters has to move and, if appropriate, should reference any other documents explaining the necessity of this Headquarters move in more detail. Recently, there has been discussion about declining membership and limited financial resources of the NSS. If that's true, I would think that the NSS should be very careful about spending more than we can afford on a move that might be more expensive than necessary.I think that David's message on this subject made a valid point in that most NSS members and potential members will rarely, if ever, visit the NSS Headquarters. The country is simply too large for any one location to be practically accessible to more than a tiny fraction of American cavers. For most of us, contact with the NSS is limited to what we can do remotely by mail, by Internet, by attending conventions, etc. Consequently, for us, the primary value of the NSS Headquarters is its ability to support these remote services.Rod-Original Message->From: R D Milhollin >Sent: Mar 17, 2011 12:48 PM>To: Texascavers List >Subject: [Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission>>Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director.>>Hello Cavers,>>The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is >getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance >the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, >hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents.>>It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. >>Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in>April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue.>>b...@caves.org>>Locations the HQ Commission is looking at:>>Huntsville, Alabama>1. Cahaba Shrine Temple>2. University Office Park>>Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area>3. Indian Cave>4. Cedar Hill>5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit>>Bowling Green, Kentucky>6. Lost River Cave>>All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... >>http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf>>Thanks>Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL>>> >>->Visit our website: http://texascavers.com>To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com>For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] March trip report from the TSA Colorado Bend State Park karst project -- ENJOY!
Project date: 11-13 March 2011 Reported by:Jim Kennedy Report date:17 March 2011 Person-hours: 295 hours (166.5 work, 128.5 travel) Personnel: (28 folks) Tanya Backer, Laurie Culbert, Angela Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Eric Flint, Lee Jay Graves, Lydia Hernandez, Aubri Jenson, Sharon Kelly, Jim Kennedy, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Tony Olsen, Kris Peña, William Quast, Matt Rasler, Isaac Schwartz, Kyley Schwartz, Matthew Schwartz, Scott Serur, Justin Shaw, Tom Sims, John Tirums, Matt Turner, Tian Yu, Matt Zaldivar, Andy Zenker The lovely spring weather brought the first green grass of the season, and thoroughly enjoyable mild evening temperatures. The recent fencing project gave us a new temporary access to Caver Camp, which caused some minor anxiety for participants without high ground clearance vehicles, but being cavers, all adapted. The survey of Critical Moss Cave (SAB683) was finally completed, and another handful of small caves in the back of Lively Pasture were mapped. More caves were relocated with better coordinates, and karst features investigated for their potential to become caves. The warm weather also is bringing out the rattlesnakes, as two were seen on the surface, and one cave (Peps Pit - SAB315) had at least 7 in it. We need to be cautious next month when mapping it. Team 1 Karen Masters, Andy Zenker, Matt Zaldivar, Matt Rasler, Lydia Hernandez, Tony Olsen This team set off once again for Critical Moss Cave (SAB683) with instructions to finally finish the map or not return! A minor problem with old cave coordinates had them momentarily confused, but deja vu finally kicked in and they were on the right track after the late arrival of Lydia and her GPS. The cave was rigged and air quality checked. Lydia and Karen gave newbie Tony a quick vertical caving lesson, and he picked it up very quickly. Matt Z. and Andy hunted for invertebrates while the rest furthered Tony's vertical education. The survey soon started, with six additional stations placed for another 17m of passage. The cave is now about 42m long. The back room of the cave contains extensive popcorn, flowstone, and tiny helictites hiding under ledges. There is one lone soda straw stalactite at the very back. The floor is mostly soil and angles down rather quickly. The squeeze to the back room seems to trap bad air. After the survey, the team got on rope and exited uneventfully. On the surface they ran into Matt Turner and John Tirums, who were heading to Spicewood Springs for a quick swim (and bath). At the swimming hole, Andy realized he left his camera at the cave, but decided to swim first. Some more GPS problems were encountered on the return to the cave, but Z. Was finally able to figure them out and the cave was relocated again. The camera was found, making Andy very happy. Team one's hours: 30.0 Team 2 Matt Turner, John Tirums This team's objectives were to ground truth a cluster of caves near Peps Pit (SAB315). After driving to Lively Pasture and parking near Marshmallow Cave (SAB733), the duo took off across country towards their target area. John soon found Cedar Pee Hole (no SAB number yet), a karst feature near Stump karst feature (SAB713). It is a small hole, about 4 feet deep and 3 inches wide, inside an Ashe juniper (Juniperus ashei) grove. The next feature found was called Other Dig (no SAB number yet), near New Sink to Dig karst feature (no SAB number yet). They then walked toward Peps Pit checking out other likely depressions, eventually finding PerCholla karst feature (no SAB number yet), named for the Texas persimmons (Diospyros texana) and pencil cactus (Opuntia leptocaulis - also called Pencil Cholla, Desert Christmas Cactus, Christmas Cholla, Garambullo, Tasadijillo, Tasajillo, Tesage, Rat-tail Cactus, and Slender Stem Cactus) around it. John found another karst feature, L Hole (no SAB number yet), nearby. They stopped by Coon Scat Crevice (SAB273) and recorded more accurate coordinates, reaching Peps Pit and breaking for lunch. Tossing rocks into the cave to estimate its depth, they were surprised to hear no fewer than seven rattlesnakes. Good thing they did not plan to enter that cave that day! They tried to find Shrink to Fit Cave (SAB218), but it was badly mislocated. [Note: this was fixed the previous month, but the Project Coordinator forgot to update the GPS files. Sorry Matt!] They collected improved coordinates for Hard Wedge Cave (SAB272) and LIVC01 (no SAB number yet), a karst feature that looked promising. Afterwards they found yet another karst feature, 283 Road karst feature (no SAB number yet), near Good 'n Tight Cave (SAB283). They revisited and checked Arizona Cave (SAB282) and Nopalitos Cave (SAB186) before hiking back to the truck and picking up Team 1 for a swim. Team two's hours: 10.0 Team 3 Justin Shaw, Galen Falgout
[Texascavers] March trip report from the TSA Colorado Bend State Park karst project -- ENJOY!
Project date: 11-13 March 2011 Reported by:Jim Kennedy Report date:17 March 2011 Person-hours: 295 hours (166.5 work, 128.5 travel) Personnel: (28 folks) Tanya Backer, Laurie Culbert, Angela Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Eric Flint, Lee Jay Graves, Lydia Hernandez, Aubri Jenson, Sharon Kelly, Jim Kennedy, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Tony Olsen, Kris Peña, William Quast, Matt Rasler, Isaac Schwartz, Kyley Schwartz, Matthew Schwartz, Scott Serur, Justin Shaw, Tom Sims, John Tirums, Matt Turner, Tian Yu, Matt Zaldivar, Andy Zenker The lovely spring weather brought the first green grass of the season, and thoroughly enjoyable mild evening temperatures. The recent fencing project gave us a new temporary access to Caver Camp, which caused some minor anxiety for participants without high ground clearance vehicles, but being cavers, all adapted. The survey of Critical Moss Cave (SAB683) was finally completed, and another handful of small caves in the back of Lively Pasture were mapped. More caves were relocated with better coordinates, and karst features investigated for their potential to become caves. The warm weather also is bringing out the rattlesnakes, as two were seen on the surface, and one cave (Peps Pit - SAB315) had at least 7 in it. We need to be cautious next month when mapping it. Team 1 Karen Masters, Andy Zenker, Matt Zaldivar, Matt Rasler, Lydia Hernandez, Tony Olsen This team set off once again for Critical Moss Cave (SAB683) with instructions to finally finish the map or not return! A minor problem with old cave coordinates had them momentarily confused, but deja vu finally kicked in and they were on the right track after the late arrival of Lydia and her GPS. The cave was rigged and air quality checked. Lydia and Karen gave newbie Tony a quick vertical caving lesson, and he picked it up very quickly. Matt Z. and Andy hunted for invertebrates while the rest furthered Tony's vertical education. The survey soon started, with six additional stations placed for another 17m of passage. The cave is now about 42m long. The back room of the cave contains extensive popcorn, flowstone, and tiny helictites hiding under ledges. There is one lone soda straw stalactite at the very back. The floor is mostly soil and angles down rather quickly. The squeeze to the back room seems to trap bad air. After the survey, the team got on rope and exited uneventfully. On the surface they ran into Matt Turner and John Tirums, who were heading to Spicewood Springs for a quick swim (and bath). At the swimming hole, Andy realized he left his camera at the cave, but decided to swim first. Some more GPS problems were encountered on the return to the cave, but Z. Was finally able to figure them out and the cave was relocated again. The camera was found, making Andy very happy. Team one's hours: 30.0 Team 2 Matt Turner, John Tirums This team's objectives were to ground truth a cluster of caves near Peps Pit (SAB315). After driving to Lively Pasture and parking near Marshmallow Cave (SAB733), the duo took off across country towards their target area. John soon found Cedar Pee Hole (no SAB number yet), a karst feature near Stump karst feature (SAB713). It is a small hole, about 4 feet deep and 3 inches wide, inside an Ashe juniper (Juniperus ashei) grove. The next feature found was called Other Dig (no SAB number yet), near New Sink to Dig karst feature (no SAB number yet). They then walked toward Peps Pit checking out other likely depressions, eventually finding PerCholla karst feature (no SAB number yet), named for the Texas persimmons (Diospyros texana) and pencil cactus (Opuntia leptocaulis - also called Pencil Cholla, Desert Christmas Cactus, Christmas Cholla, Garambullo, Tasadijillo, Tasajillo, Tesage, Rat-tail Cactus, and Slender Stem Cactus) around it. John found another karst feature, L Hole (no SAB number yet), nearby. They stopped by Coon Scat Crevice (SAB273) and recorded more accurate coordinates, reaching Peps Pit and breaking for lunch. Tossing rocks into the cave to estimate its depth, they were surprised to hear no fewer than seven rattlesnakes. Good thing they did not plan to enter that cave that day! They tried to find Shrink to Fit Cave (SAB218), but it was badly mislocated. [Note: this was fixed the previous month, but the Project Coordinator forgot to update the GPS files. Sorry Matt!] They collected improved coordinates for Hard Wedge Cave (SAB272) and LIVC01 (no SAB number yet), a karst feature that looked promising. Afterwards they found yet another karst feature, 283 Road karst feature (no SAB number yet), near Good 'n Tight Cave (SAB283). They revisited and checked Arizona Cave (SAB282) and Nopalitos Cave (SAB186) before hiking back to the truck and picking up Team 1 for a swim. Team two's hours: 10.0 Team 3 Justin Shaw, Galen Falgout
[Texascavers] Fw: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP
Subject: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP The Biologist (GS-09/11) position at Carlsbad Caverns National Park was posted on USAJOBS (Job Announcement# HRF 11-076 and HRF 11-077). It is open to all U.S. citizens who qualify and closes on 4/5/2011. The major duties of this position are to plan, organize, and implement programs and projects dealing with a broad range of natural resources. At the full performance level of this position (GS-11), the incumbent prepares program goals and objectives, writes planning documents and project proposals, develops monitoring plans, implements natural resource projects, and leads the preparation of project reports. The incumbent plans, coordinates, and conducts data collecting and processing. This is not a research position. Please pass this along to anyone who might be interested in applying. Thank you, Renée West Supervisory Biologist & Research Coordinator Carlsbad Caverns National Park 3225 National Parks Hwy. Carlsbad, NM 88220 office: 575-785-3099 fax: 575-785-2317 --- HRF 11-076 (MPP) Below is the link to the vacancy announcement HRF 11-076, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-076 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch HRF 11-077 (DEU) Below is the link to your vacancy announcement HRF 11-077, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-077 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today.
[Texascavers] Fw: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP
Subject: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP The Biologist (GS-09/11) position at Carlsbad Caverns National Park was posted on USAJOBS (Job Announcement# HRF 11-076 and HRF 11-077). It is open to all U.S. citizens who qualify and closes on 4/5/2011. The major duties of this position are to plan, organize, and implement programs and projects dealing with a broad range of natural resources. At the full performance level of this position (GS-11), the incumbent prepares program goals and objectives, writes planning documents and project proposals, develops monitoring plans, implements natural resource projects, and leads the preparation of project reports. The incumbent plans, coordinates, and conducts data collecting and processing. This is not a research position. Please pass this along to anyone who might be interested in applying. Thank you, Renée West Supervisory Biologist & Research Coordinator Carlsbad Caverns National Park 3225 National Parks Hwy. Carlsbad, NM 88220 office: 575-785-3099 fax: 575-785-2317 --- HRF 11-076 (MPP) Below is the link to the vacancy announcement HRF 11-076, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-076 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch HRF 11-077 (DEU) Below is the link to your vacancy announcement HRF 11-077, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-077 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today.
[SWR] Fw: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP
The Biologist (GS-09/11) position at Carlsbad Caverns National Park was posted on USAJOBS (Job Announcement# HRF 11-076 and HRF 11-077). It is open to all U.S. citizens who qualify and closes on 4/5/2011. The major duties of this position are to plan, organize, and implement programs and projects dealing with a broad range of natural resources. At the full performance level of this position (GS-11), the incumbent prepares program goals and objectives, writes planning documents and project proposals, develops monitoring plans, implements natural resource projects, and leads the preparation of project reports. The incumbent plans, coordinates, and conducts data collecting and processing. This is not a research position. Please pass this along to anyone who might be interested in applying. Thank you, Renée West Supervisory Biologist & Research Coordinator Carlsbad Caverns National Park 3225 National Parks Hwy. Carlsbad, NM 88220 office: 575-785-3099 fax: 575-785-2317 --- HRF 11-076 (MPP) Below is the link to the vacancy announcement HRF 11-076, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-076 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch HRF 11-077 (DEU) Below is the link to your vacancy announcement HRF 11-077, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-077 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fw: permanent Biologist position open at Carlsbad Caverns NP
The Biologist (GS-09/11) position at Carlsbad Caverns National Park was posted on USAJOBS (Job Announcement# HRF 11-076 and HRF 11-077). It is open to all U.S. citizens who qualify and closes on 4/5/2011. The major duties of this position are to plan, organize, and implement programs and projects dealing with a broad range of natural resources. At the full performance level of this position (GS-11), the incumbent prepares program goals and objectives, writes planning documents and project proposals, develops monitoring plans, implements natural resource projects, and leads the preparation of project reports. The incumbent plans, coordinates, and conducts data collecting and processing. This is not a research position. Please pass this along to anyone who might be interested in applying. Thank you, Renée West Supervisory Biologist & Research Coordinator Carlsbad Caverns National Park 3225 National Parks Hwy. Carlsbad, NM 88220 office: 575-785-3099 fax: 575-785-2317 --- HRF 11-076 (MPP) Below is the link to the vacancy announcement HRF 11-076, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-076 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch HRF 11-077 (DEU) Below is the link to your vacancy announcement HRF 11-077, with an opening date of 3/16/11 and a closing date of 4/5/11. Here is a link to USA Jobs. Click on the "What (keyword)" search box and type in the HRF 11-077 and click on "Search Jobs". http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/?WT.svl=navsearch ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] Re: NSS Headquarters opinions
This is a highly opinionated post based on knowing absolutely zero about the problem: ( surprised ? ) I am self-employed and have been operating a barely legitimate business for 13 years. My shoe-string budget is difficult, and I have to make choices every single day that I despise. I would love to put my business in the location that would bring in more business and make life easier and make the business look more legitimate. But that is not reality. The NSS needs to think outside the box and plan for worst case scenarios. They need to find the least expensive place possible to operate their office, and that may be 500 miles from the nearest cave. Cavers will come to it if it has something interesting to offer. Finding reliable staff to operate a business is a nightmare.I have yet to find anyone I can trust with my business. I came close one time, but the person died of cancer. Another issue I have, is my customers want something but are not willing to pay for it. They complain about crappy free service. If your customers ( NSS members or potential members ) are not willing to pay for something, then you have to politely not offer that service to them, and in some instances, you might have to get rude. This facility sounds like it has overhead not related to caving. You have to have some kind of security when you operate an office.You have maintenance cost, and book-keeping cost. What good is it to have a business if your cost are more than your income? I would visit the headquarters twice a year, if it were in Houston, Texas, near Intercontinental Airport. But the crime rate around that side of town would make this location risky.I will most likely never visit it at any of the proposed locations, and I bet the other 30 NSS members in the counties next to mine will never visit it, no matter where you put it. Maybe it needs to be a mobile business, like locksmiths. Bob & Bob may have set a good example on how to operate a caving business. Someone can correct me on that, if I am mistaken.But one of the fondest memories of going to a caving event was seeing Bob & Bob's van pull up and start unloading things. If I were in charge of its location, I would put it half-way between Austin and Houston, Texas.But finding staff there to operate it, would be difficult. It would have to be right on the highway so that cavers travelling by, would be able to stop in and visit quickly. My only other thought about this is that having one centralized national office doesn't sound like a way to fairly serve the members or potential members that are spread out over a large nation. David Locklear NSS Life Member 27639 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: NSS Headquarters opinions
This is a highly opinionated post based on knowing absolutely zero about the problem: ( surprised ? ) I am self-employed and have been operating a barely legitimate business for 13 years. My shoe-string budget is difficult, and I have to make choices every single day that I despise. I would love to put my business in the location that would bring in more business and make life easier and make the business look more legitimate. But that is not reality. The NSS needs to think outside the box and plan for worst case scenarios. They need to find the least expensive place possible to operate their office, and that may be 500 miles from the nearest cave. Cavers will come to it if it has something interesting to offer. Finding reliable staff to operate a business is a nightmare.I have yet to find anyone I can trust with my business. I came close one time, but the person died of cancer. Another issue I have, is my customers want something but are not willing to pay for it. They complain about crappy free service. If your customers ( NSS members or potential members ) are not willing to pay for something, then you have to politely not offer that service to them, and in some instances, you might have to get rude. This facility sounds like it has overhead not related to caving. You have to have some kind of security when you operate an office.You have maintenance cost, and book-keeping cost. What good is it to have a business if your cost are more than your income? I would visit the headquarters twice a year, if it were in Houston, Texas, near Intercontinental Airport. But the crime rate around that side of town would make this location risky.I will most likely never visit it at any of the proposed locations, and I bet the other 30 NSS members in the counties next to mine will never visit it, no matter where you put it. Maybe it needs to be a mobile business, like locksmiths. Bob & Bob may have set a good example on how to operate a caving business. Someone can correct me on that, if I am mistaken.But one of the fondest memories of going to a caving event was seeing Bob & Bob's van pull up and start unloading things. If I were in charge of its location, I would put it half-way between Austin and Houston, Texas.But finding staff there to operate it, would be difficult. It would have to be right on the highway so that cavers travelling by, would be able to stop in and visit quickly. My only other thought about this is that having one centralized national office doesn't sound like a way to fairly serve the members or potential members that are spread out over a large nation. David Locklear NSS Life Member 27639 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Slightly off topic: REI Job Opportunities
Not sure if anyone is looking for a part time job or not, but if you are REI is looking for you. Matt Turner "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale - Forwarded Message From: Retail Austin 32 Generic E-Mail Box To: "kat...@yahoo.com" Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 10:22:06 AM Subject: REI Job Opportunities Hi Matt, My name is Sarah Heath and I work at REI helping out with Outreach programs. Right now we are looking to hire 10-15 folks part-time. While brain storming good ways to get these job openings out into the community the Grotto came to mind. Below I have copied the basics on the job and the company. If you have a listserv that you think would be interested in working here, please feel free to forward the information on. It’s a fun work environment, and all employees get a sweet discount on gear! Cheers, Sarah The Gateway REI is looking to hire a new class of trainees/employees for this Spring! We are looking for a talented and diverse group to support REI’s mission to, “inspire, educate and outfit for a lifetime of outdoor adventure and stewardship.” This year the company was ranked the 9th Best Company to Work For by Forbes Magazine. *Part-time employees are eligible for health benefits and a fantastic discount** Qualified candidates have some previous retail experience, good communication skills, knowledge of the outdoor activities, and a positive outlook. Positions to be filled include sales and cashier specialists and stockers. To learn more about working at REI please visit: http://www.rei.com/jobs/culture.html To apply for one of these jobs today go to: http://www.rei.com/jobs/retailhourlymanage.html Job openings will be posted Friday, March 18th and applications will be accepted until March 25th.
[Texascavers] Slightly off topic: REI Job Opportunities
Not sure if anyone is looking for a part time job or not, but if you are REI is looking for you. Matt Turner "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale - Forwarded Message From: Retail Austin 32 Generic E-Mail Box To: "kat...@yahoo.com" Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 10:22:06 AM Subject: REI Job Opportunities Hi Matt, My name is Sarah Heath and I work at REI helping out with Outreach programs. Right now we are looking to hire 10-15 folks part-time. While brain storming good ways to get these job openings out into the community the Grotto came to mind. Below I have copied the basics on the job and the company. If you have a listserv that you think would be interested in working here, please feel free to forward the information on. It’s a fun work environment, and all employees get a sweet discount on gear! Cheers, Sarah The Gateway REI is looking to hire a new class of trainees/employees for this Spring! We are looking for a talented and diverse group to support REI’s mission to, “inspire, educate and outfit for a lifetime of outdoor adventure and stewardship.” This year the company was ranked the 9th Best Company to Work For by Forbes Magazine. *Part-time employees are eligible for health benefits and a fantastic discount** Qualified candidates have some previous retail experience, good communication skills, knowledge of the outdoor activities, and a positive outlook. Positions to be filled include sales and cashier specialists and stockers. To learn more about working at REI please visit: http://www.rei.com/jobs/culture.html To apply for one of these jobs today go to: http://www.rei.com/jobs/retailhourlymanage.html Job openings will be posted Friday, March 18th and applications will be accepted until March 25th.
[Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission
Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director. Hello Cavers, The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents. It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue. b...@caves.org Locations the HQ Commission is looking at: Huntsville, Alabama 1. Cahaba Shrine Temple 2. University Office Park Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area 3. Indian Cave 4. Cedar Hill 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit Bowling Green, Kentucky 6. Lost River Cave All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf Thanks Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] NSS Headquarters Commission
Forwarded from the VAR list. Carol Tiderman is an NSS director. Hello Cavers, The "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents. It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue. b...@caves.org Locations the HQ Commission is looking at: Huntsville, Alabama 1. Cahaba Shrine Temple 2. University Office Park Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area 3. Indian Cave 4. Cedar Hill 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit Bowling Green, Kentucky 6. Lost River Cave All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf Thanks Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[SWR] NSS HQ
Hello Cavers, Tthe "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents. It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue. b...@caves.org Locations the HQ Commission is looking at: Huntsville, Alabama 1 Cahaba Shrine Temple 2.University Office Park Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area 3. Indian Cave 4. Cedar Hill 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit Bowling Green, Kentucky 6. Lost River Cave All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... (if the server allows links...) http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf Thanks Carol Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] NSS HQ
Hello Cavers, Tthe "discussion" regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve & conserve caves, karst & their contents. It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you want. Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this contentious issue. b...@caves.org Locations the HQ Commission is looking at: Huntsville, Alabama 1 Cahaba Shrine Temple 2.University Office Park Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area 3. Indian Cave 4. Cedar Hill 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit Bowling Green, Kentucky 6. Lost River Cave All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... (if the server allows links...) http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf Thanks Carol Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] PNG Caves on Google Earth
After seeing "Sanctum"...I was interested in the real story of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. And I have been reading "Beneath the Cloud Forests" by Howard Beck. It is a history of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. Numerous expeditions were lured to PNG after seeing large "mega dolines" on aerial photographs taken by companies doing oil and mineral explorations. I wondered if these "mega dolines" would be visible on Google Earth...and sure enough...have found a few. Most of the aerials used by Google Earth for PNG are too low resolution (or the mountains are too obscured by cloud cover) to be of much use. But some of the mega dolines show up anyway. I have been looking for Nare. But the resolution appears to low to see the entrance. Here are a few that I have found: Minye: Latitude: 5°14'35.30"S Longitude:151°30'16.50"E Kururu: Latitude: 5°49'7.41"S Longitude:151° 3'59.44"E Unidentified Hole?: Latitude: 4°59'2.04"S Longitude:142°30'24.14"E
[Texascavers] PNG Caves on Google Earth
After seeing "Sanctum"...I was interested in the real story of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. And I have been reading "Beneath the Cloud Forests" by Howard Beck. It is a history of cave exploration in Papua New Guinea. Numerous expeditions were lured to PNG after seeing large "mega dolines" on aerial photographs taken by companies doing oil and mineral explorations. I wondered if these "mega dolines" would be visible on Google Earth...and sure enough...have found a few. Most of the aerials used by Google Earth for PNG are too low resolution (or the mountains are too obscured by cloud cover) to be of much use. But some of the mega dolines show up anyway. I have been looking for Nare. But the resolution appears to low to see the entrance. Here are a few that I have found: Minye: Latitude: 5°14'35.30"S Longitude:151°30'16.50"E Kururu: Latitude: 5°49'7.41"S Longitude:151° 3'59.44"E Unidentified Hole?: Latitude: 4°59'2.04"S Longitude:142°30'24.14"E
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 13:24:03 -0000 Issue 1267
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 13:24:03 - Issue 1267 Topics (messages 17378 through 17385): Re: Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? 17378 by: Louise Power Bluegrass Unerground performance in Cumberland Caverns to air on PBS : 17379 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com Blue Harness, anyone? 17380 by: Mallory Mayeux ON TOPIC - TSA Spring Convention 17381 by: Sheryl Rieck 17383 by: germanyj.aol.com Re: TSA Spring convention 2011 Website 17382 by: Don Arburn NCRC Weeklong 2011-Puerto Rico 17384 by: Lydia Hernandez TSA Convention Bag O' Fun - Saturday, April 2nd at Fort Clark Springs, Brackettville, TX 17385 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: o...@texascavers.com People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off after a time. Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 From: rod.g...@earthlink.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? R D asked, "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. Rod -- From: R D Milhollin Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM To: Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave-related topics. Does anyone else remember this? Seems that my mailbox set to receive caving stuff is getting filled up with other, unrelated material. I expect to read about WNS, caving trips, convention and meeting announcements, news about fellow cavers, cave cleanups, cave publications, and other information I can't find anywhere else, or nearly anywhere else here on the Texas Cavers list. Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Bluegrass Underground Brings Concerts to PBS this Fall (http://www.cybergrass.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=10) _BMNN_ (http://www.cybergrass.com/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=BMN N) wrote: on Mar. 16, 2011: Nashville, TN -- Organizers of the acclaimed music event series Bluegrass Underground today announced a partnership to bring this unique "musical adventure" to PBS this fall. Bluegrass Underground is taped in the Volcano Room, 333-feet deep within Cumberland Caverns near McMinnville, TN. The 12-part concert series premieres on PBS in September, 2011. Bluegrass Underground concerts have aired on country music's flagship radio station, 650 WSM-AM since 2008, but now a partnership of Loblolly Ventures, WCTE-DTV (PBS) in Cookeville, TN, and Emmy Award-winning producer Todd Jarrell have developed this unique series for distribution on PBS. "PBS is constantly seeking fresh ways to engage our audience through nature, culture and the arts," says John F. Wilson, PBS Senior Vice President and Chief TV Programming Executive, "and Bluegrass Underground combines all of these in every extraordinary show." "We're pleased that PBS is as excited about Bluegrass Underground as we are," says Todd Mayo, the series creator and Loblolly Ventures president. "This series represents Tennes
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 13:24:03 -0000 Issue 1267
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2011 13:24:03 - Issue 1267 Topics (messages 17378 through 17385): Re: Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? 17378 by: Louise Power Bluegrass Unerground performance in Cumberland Caverns to air on PBS : 17379 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com Blue Harness, anyone? 17380 by: Mallory Mayeux ON TOPIC - TSA Spring Convention 17381 by: Sheryl Rieck 17383 by: germanyj.aol.com Re: TSA Spring convention 2011 Website 17382 by: Don Arburn NCRC Weeklong 2011-Puerto Rico 17384 by: Lydia Hernandez TSA Convention Bag O' Fun - Saturday, April 2nd at Fort Clark Springs, Brackettville, TX 17385 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: o...@texascavers.com People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off after a time. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 From: rod.g...@earthlink.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? R D asked, "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. Rod -- From: R D Milhollin Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM To: Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave-related topics. Does anyone else remember this? Seems that my mailbox set to receive caving stuff is getting filled up with other, unrelated material. I expect to read about WNS, caving trips, convention and meeting announcements, news about fellow cavers, cave cleanups, cave publications, and other information I can't find anywhere else, or nearly anywhere else here on the Texas Cavers list. Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Bluegrass Underground Brings Concerts to PBS this Fall (http://www.cybergrass.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=10) _BMNN_ (http://www.cybergrass.com/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=userinfo&username=BMN N) wrote: on Mar. 16, 2011: Nashville, TN -- Organizers of the acclaimed music event series Bluegrass Underground today announced a partnership to bring this unique "musical adventure" to PBS this fall. Bluegrass Underground is taped in the Volcano Room, 333-feet deep within Cumberland Caverns near McMinnville, TN. The 12-part concert series premieres on PBS in September, 2011. Bluegrass Underground concerts have aired on country music's flagship radio station, 650 WSM-AM since 2008, but now a partnership of Loblolly Ventures, WCTE-DTV (PBS) in Cookeville, TN, and Emmy Award-winning producer Todd Jarrell have developed this unique series for distribution on PBS. "PBS is constantly seeking fresh ways to engage our audience through nature, culture and the arts," says John F. Wilson, PBS Senior Vice President and Chief TV Programming Executive, "and Bluegrass Underground combines all of these in every extraordinary show." "We're pleased that PBS is as excited about Bluegrass Underground as we are," says Todd Mayo, the series creator and Loblolly Ventures pres
[Texascavers] TSA Convention Bag O' Fun - Saturday, April 2nd at Fort Clark Springs, Brackettville, TX
Well, Kiss My Blarney Stone! It's only two weeks until the best spring caving convention in Texas! Just a few reminders and updates from the caving bag o' fun to run by y'all: 1.)One new item has been added to the agenda for the riveting and always exciting TSA Spring Business Meeting (immediately after the talks Saturday at ~4:40: 2011 Spring Business Meeting, Spring Convention at Fort Clark Springs, TX, Saturday, April 2nd, 2011, Texas Speleological Association Agenda * Welcome and Introductions * Chairman's Report * Vice Chairman's Report * Secretary's Report - Minutes of 2011 Winter Business Meeting held at the TSS Offices on the UT Campus, Sunday, January 23rd, 2011 * Treasurers Report * TSA Projects - Jim Kennedy * Gov't Canyon - Marvin Miller * Colorado Bend State Park - Crash * Longhorn Cavern Project (On hold - TPWD Approval) - Mark Alman * Inner Space Caverns Project (Starting in September) - Gerry Geletzke & Mark Alman * Hill Country State Natural Area & Devils River - Rob Bissett and Joe Ranzau * Future Project Ideas * Standing Committee Reports * TSA Website - Butch Fralia * Membership Chair - Ryan Monjaras * Conservation Committee - Open and Jim Kennedy (WNS Update) * Safety and Techniques - David Ochel * Publications - Mark Alman * The TEXAS CAVER and status of online access to back issues. * TSA Store - Lee Jay Graves * Old Business * The 100th trip of the Government Canyon Karst Survey Celebration, Saturday, March 5th * New Business o TSA Brochure o Membership Drive o Membership Directory Constitution Change (New Item) o The Constitution states: The Treasurer prepares a budget for the fiscal year, maintains the membership database, and insures the database is available electronically to the membership. The key word is "electronically". And it later states: The Membership Committee shall consist of the Database Manager, the TSA Secretary, the TSA Treasurer, a representative of the Publications Committee, and other appointed members. b. The committee will develop data to be made available to TSA officers, committees, member organizations, affiliated organizations, and members for conducting caving business. The committee insures the membership database is published annually and is not made available to the general public. These two statements seem conflicting and publishing a Members Directory is a small expense in the large scheme of things but, nevertheless, still a waste of money. The TSA Board of Officers is recommending that the red line above be deleted from the Constitution and the Members Directory be made available electronically in the Members Area of the TSA webpage. * Announcements? * End of Meeting (Let's go home!) 2.)The Kickapoo Caverns trips will be Sunday, April 3rd. Please meet at the gate to Kickapoo State Park at 10 AM and, after the TCMA meeting, at 11 AM. Cost is the standard TPWD entry fee of $3 per adult (12 YO and older). Kids can cave for free. Fee will be waived if you have a Gold Passport. Must furnish #. The main room and Wishing Well areas will be open for visitation. The Helectite Room and Graffiti Room are off limits, as is Stuart Bat Cave. We will be collecting the fee at Registration and you must sign a waiver form for you and yours there, as well. Do not miss this opportunity to visit one of the state's largest and most impressive caves (one of my favorites!) and behold the grandest and most photographed set of columns in the state! This is very easily accessible cave and is an excellent one for cavers, young, old, new, and armchair! 3.)From Ellie: TSA Spring Convention is almost here! You are invited to join the Texas Speleological Society and fellow Texas cavers for a relaxing weekend in the unique oasis and National Register Historic District of Fort Clark Springs. The TSA, founded in 1956, has been bringing Texas cavers together for over 50 years. Meet fellow cavers and project leaders from around the state. This is a great chance to get involved with ongoing projects and create future caving opportunities for all. Registration has increased slightly to $15 per person plus $5 per person per night camping (kids camp free). Family rate is $45. On Saturday, April 2nd, you can fill your day with informative presentations from cavers about developments in cave sciences, project updates, national and international exploration, and much more. Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux have done an amazin
