RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Cook, Brett]

That’s hilarious!
I remember one of our friends telling us about a time they found a gila monster 
in the backyard. They trapped it and took it off into the desert to find a new 
home. It was something like a week later, they saw the gila monster back in 
their back yard! This time, they hauled it far, far away and released it.
A couple of weeks or so later, they noticed a gila monster sitting on the wall. 
You can imagine their surprise. Upon closer inspection, this tuned out to be 
made of rubber, placed there by a neighbor who wanted to have some fun!  :)


Brett

From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:41 AM
To: Andy Gluesenkamp; Off-Topic Texas Cavers; Texas Cavers; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; Fritz 
Holt
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife 
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc. 
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan 
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the 
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different 
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.

Louise
fmrcvr


List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!

Fritz




Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

Jackie

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land 
Rights
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depe

RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Cook, Brett]

That’s hilarious!
I remember one of our friends telling us about a time they found a gila monster 
in the backyard. They trapped it and took it off into the desert to find a new 
home. It was something like a week later, they saw the gila monster back in 
their back yard! This time, they hauled it far, far away and released it.
A couple of weeks or so later, they noticed a gila monster sitting on the wall. 
You can imagine their surprise. Upon closer inspection, this tuned out to be 
made of rubber, placed there by a neighbor who wanted to have some fun!  :)


Brett

From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:41 AM
To: Andy Gluesenkamp; Off-Topic Texas Cavers; Texas Cavers; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; Fritz 
Holt
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife 
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc. 
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan 
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the 
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different 
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.

Louise
fmrcvr


Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!

Fritz




Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

Jackie

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land 
Rights
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow t

RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Cook, Brett]

That’s hilarious!
I remember one of our friends telling us about a time they found a gila monster 
in the backyard. They trapped it and took it off into the desert to find a new 
home. It was something like a week later, they saw the gila monster back in 
their back yard! This time, they hauled it far, far away and released it.
A couple of weeks or so later, they noticed a gila monster sitting on the wall. 
You can imagine their surprise. Upon closer inspection, this tuned out to be 
made of rubber, placed there by a neighbor who wanted to have some fun!  :)


Brett

From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:41 AM
To: Andy Gluesenkamp; Off-Topic Texas Cavers; Texas Cavers; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; Fritz 
Holt
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife 
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc. 
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan 
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the 
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different 
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.

Louise
fmrcvr


List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!

Fritz




Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

Jackie

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land 
Rights
Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depe

RE: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

[Mark . Alman]

Not sure if I would blame global warming or climate change for all of
the indigenous snakes in FL disappearing.

 

>From what I have read, all of the "pet" boas and pythons that folks have
bought, and later discarded, are really wreaking havoc down there.

 

Whaddya think, Sleaze?

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:51 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

 

Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that
appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth.
They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this
spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps,
but virtually all other so called "common" species such as watersnakes
have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had
a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter
snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of
experienced herpers.

 

Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible
beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so
do I. Anyone who abuses "their" land or the plants and animals therein
(lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land
confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a
park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should
be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in
jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with
the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game
park and get a few rounds in return. "But but but, I have a god given
right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my
daddy did it too". Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they
like rednecks too.

 

Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets
or young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long
since I have been there and want to go back. 

 

Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind
all of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to
the list so I won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things
about caves repeated a hundred times along with all the other items that
have nothing to do with the subject at hand. 

 

My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer,
roaring bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to
love?

 

Sleaze

RE: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

[Mark . Alman]

Not sure if I would blame global warming or climate change for all of
the indigenous snakes in FL disappearing.

 

>From what I have read, all of the "pet" boas and pythons that folks have
bought, and later discarded, are really wreaking havoc down there.

 

Whaddya think, Sleaze?

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:51 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

 

Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that
appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth.
They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this
spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps,
but virtually all other so called "common" species such as watersnakes
have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had
a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter
snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of
experienced herpers.

 

Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible
beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so
do I. Anyone who abuses "their" land or the plants and animals therein
(lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land
confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a
park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should
be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in
jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with
the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game
park and get a few rounds in return. "But but but, I have a god given
right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my
daddy did it too". Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they
like rednecks too.

 

Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets
or young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long
since I have been there and want to go back. 

 

Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind
all of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to
the list so I won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things
about caves repeated a hundred times along with all the other items that
have nothing to do with the subject at hand. 

 

My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer,
roaring bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to
love?

 

Sleaze

RE: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

[Mark . Alman]

Not sure if I would blame global warming or climate change for all of
the indigenous snakes in FL disappearing.

 

>From what I have read, all of the "pet" boas and pythons that folks have
bought, and later discarded, are really wreaking havoc down there.

 

Whaddya think, Sleaze?

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:51 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

 

Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that
appear to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth.
They are very scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this
spring. There are still a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps,
but virtually all other so called "common" species such as watersnakes
have gone the way of the dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had
a standing offer of $50 for a male garter snake, that's right, garter
snake, but no takers thus far despite concerted efforts by teams of
experienced herpers.

 

Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible
beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so
do I. Anyone who abuses "their" land or the plants and animals therein
(lets add water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land
confiscated by big government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a
park. Their cattle should be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should
be torn down, the buildings burned, and their asses should be thrown in
jail, or better still their asses should be filled with lead along with
the cows. That is the way they do it in Africa, shoot a rhino in a game
park and get a few rounds in return. "But but but, I have a god given
right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, and its a tradition cuz my
daddy did it too". Bam! Another boog for the buzzards. I hear tell they
like rednecks too.

 

Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets
or young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long
since I have been there and want to go back. 

 

Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind
all of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to
the list so I won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things
about caves repeated a hundred times along with all the other items that
have nothing to do with the subject at hand. 

 

My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer,
roaring bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to
love?

 

Sleaze

[Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

[BMorgan994]

Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear  
to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are 
very  scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There 
are still  a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all 
other so  called "common" species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the 
 dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 
for a  male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far 
despite  concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers.
 
Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible  
beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I.  
Anyone who abuses "their" land or the plants and animals therein (lets add  
water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big  
government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should  
be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings  
burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses 
 should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it 
in  Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. 
"But  but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, 
and its  a tradition cuz my daddy did it too". Bam! Another boog for the 
buzzards. I  hear tell they like rednecks too.
 
Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or  
young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long since 
I  have been there and want to go back. 
 
Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind all 
 of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to the list 
so I  won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things about caves 
repeated a  hundred times along with all the other items that have nothing to 
do with the  subject at hand. 
 
My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer, roaring  
bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to love?
 
Sleaze

[Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

[BMorgan994]

Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear  
to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are 
very  scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There 
are still  a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all 
other so  called "common" species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the 
 dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 
for a  male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far 
despite  concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers.
 
Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible  
beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I.  
Anyone who abuses "their" land or the plants and animals therein (lets add  
water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big  
government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should  
be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings  
burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses 
 should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it 
in  Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. 
"But  but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, 
and its  a tradition cuz my daddy did it too". Bam! Another boog for the 
buzzards. I  hear tell they like rednecks too.
 
Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or  
young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long since 
I  have been there and want to go back. 
 
Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind all 
 of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to the list 
so I  won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things about caves 
repeated a  hundred times along with all the other items that have nothing to 
do with the  subject at hand. 
 
My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer, roaring  
bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to love?
 
Sleaze

[Texascavers] Poor little rattlesnakes

[BMorgan994]

Here in Florida diamondbacks are one of the few snake species that appear  
to be making it through the great die off of all life on earth. They are 
very  scarce but they are still around. I have seen three this spring. There 
are still  a fair number of moccasins deep in the swamps, but virtually all 
other so  called "common" species such as watersnakes have gone the way of the 
 dinosaur. I have a friend who for years has had a standing offer of $50 
for a  male garter snake, that's right, garter snake, but no takers thus far 
despite  concerted efforts by teams of experienced herpers.
 
Did anybody check out the link? It is a website for right wing bible  
beating wackos from Waco. They think it is all about land rights and so do I.  
Anyone who abuses "their" land or the plants and animals therein (lets add  
water, rocks, and caves too!) should have their land confiscated by big  
government and the land set aside in perpetuity as a park. Their cattle should  
be shot to feed the coyotes, the fences should be torn down, the buildings  
burned, and their asses should be thrown in jail, or better still their asses 
 should be filled with lead along with the cows. That is the way they do it 
in  Africa, shoot a rhino in a game park and get a few rounds in return. 
"But  but but, I have a god given right to shoot rhinos, my family is hungry, 
and its  a tradition cuz my daddy did it too". Bam! Another boog for the 
buzzards. I  hear tell they like rednecks too.
 
Speaking of shooting, when are they going to run out of either bullets or  
young men in Mexico? Either one is fine with me. It has been too long since 
I  have been there and want to go back. 
 
Since I am in a global climate change challenged bad mood let me remind all 
 of you again to please please pretty please don't simply reply to the list 
so I  won't have to see your list of your ten favorite things about caves 
repeated a  hundred times along with all the other items that have nothing to 
do with the  subject at hand. 
 
My personal favorite thing about caving is the hot tub! Cold beer, roaring  
bonfire, bad jokes, and beautiful naked women. What's not to love?
 
Sleaze

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 -0000 Issue 1556

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 - Issue 1556

Topics (messages 20032 through 20036):

Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20032 by: Bill Bentley

Re: Poor little rattlesnakes
20033 by: Fritz Holt
20034 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
20035 by: Fritz Holt
20036 by: Louise Power

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--- Begin Message ---
I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in 
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves

  - Original Message - 
  From: germa...@aol.com 
  To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



  -Original Message-
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Lyndon Tiu 
  Cc: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


  On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that 
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun 
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very 
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort 
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came 
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matt

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 -0000 Issue 1556

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 - Issue 1556

Topics (messages 20032 through 20036):

Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20032 by: Bill Bentley

Re: Poor little rattlesnakes
20033 by: Fritz Holt
20034 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
20035 by: Fritz Holt
20036 by: Louise Power

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--
--- Begin Message ---
I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in 
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves

  - Original Message - 
  From: germa...@aol.com 
  To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



  -Original Message-
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Lyndon Tiu 
  Cc: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


  On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that 
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun 
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very 
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort 
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came 
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matt

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 -0000 Issue 1556

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 17:40:45 - Issue 1556

Topics (messages 20032 through 20036):

Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20032 by: Bill Bentley

Re: Poor little rattlesnakes
20033 by: Fritz Holt
20034 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
20035 by: Fritz Holt
20036 by: Louise Power

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--
--- Begin Message ---
I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in 
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves

  - Original Message - 
  From: germa...@aol.com 
  To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



  -Original Message-
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Lyndon Tiu 
  Cc: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


  On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that 
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun 
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very 
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort 
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came 
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matt

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Louise Power]

At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife 
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc. 
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan 
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the 
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different 
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.
 
Louise
fmrcvr
 



List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes





Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.  
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:


From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM







I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!
 
Fritz
 





 

 

Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

 

Jackie

 

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.”
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted.”  

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Louise Power]

At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife 
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc. 
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan 
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the 
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different 
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.
 
Louise
fmrcvr
 



Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes





Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.  
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:


From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM







I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!
 
Fritz
 





 

 

Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

 

Jackie

 

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.”
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted.”  

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Louise Power]

At Carlsbad Caverns we were strictly forbidden to kill any kind of wildlife 
even if it wandered down into the housing area--including snakes, skunks, etc. 
If it was a snake, we called maintenance, they came down with a big trashcan 
and coaxed it in. Then they'd take it out one of the dirt roads to the 
"outback" where they'd let it go. I never knew if we were seeing a different 
snake or one that stopped by for a truck ride back home.
 
Louise
fmrcvr
 



List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; 
sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; 
sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; 
janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; 
ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes





Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.  
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:


From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM







I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!
 
Fritz
 





 

 

Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

 

Jackie

 

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from “human persecution.”
“Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.”
The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted.”  

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Fritz Holt]

Andy,

Agreed, but I consider the definition of evil to be an uninformed public or 
electorate.

Fritz


From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers; TexasCavers; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'; 
'bbat...@gmail.com'; 'Steve Ashmore'; 'Sam Ashmore'; Sally Dearing; 'Guy 
Heath'; 'June Levy'; 'Janice Vieira'; 'Jim Sherwin'; 'James E. Wagner'; 'Karen 
Ashmore'; 'Debra Batts'; 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'; Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM

I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!



Fritz









Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.



Jackie



Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."

"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."

The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted."

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Fritz Holt]

Andy,

Agreed, but I consider the definition of evil to be an uninformed public or 
electorate.

Fritz


From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers; TexasCavers; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'; 
'bbat...@gmail.com'; 'Steve Ashmore'; 'Sam Ashmore'; Sally Dearing; 'Guy 
Heath'; 'June Levy'; 'Janice Vieira'; 'Jim Sherwin'; 'James E. Wagner'; 'Karen 
Ashmore'; 'Debra Batts'; 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'; Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM

I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!



Fritz









Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.



Jackie



Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."

"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."

The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted."

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Fritz Holt]

Andy,

Agreed, but I consider the definition of evil to be an uninformed public or 
electorate.

Fritz


From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers; TexasCavers; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt'; 
'bbat...@gmail.com'; 'Steve Ashmore'; 'Sam Ashmore'; Sally Dearing; 'Guy 
Heath'; 'June Levy'; 'Janice Vieira'; 'Jim Sherwin'; 'James E. Wagner'; 'Karen 
Ashmore'; 'Debra Batts'; 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'; Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM

I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!



Fritz









Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.



Jackie



Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."

"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."

The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted."

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.  
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM




 
 











I don’t share my good friend’s
feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles
in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor
adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to
this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights
of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of
public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes
invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I
consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all
creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals.
While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the
endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger
of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our
daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup
and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is
money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! 

   

Fritz 

   













  





  





Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do
NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they
will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. 





  





Jackie 





  





Feds
Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to
Deny Land Rights 





Environmental
groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous
eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect
the reptile from “human persecution.” 

“Survival
of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute
them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with
us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month.
“In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals
and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be
allowed to exist.” 

The Fish
and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because
environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial
information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be
warranted.” 

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.  
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM




 
 











I don’t share my good friend’s
feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles
in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor
adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to
this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights
of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of
public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes
invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I
consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all
creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals.
While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the
endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger
of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our
daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup
and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is
money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! 

   

Fritz 

   













  





  





Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do
NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they
will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. 





  





Jackie 





  





Feds
Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to
Deny Land Rights 





Environmental
groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous
eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect
the reptile from “human persecution.” 

“Survival
of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute
them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with
us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month.
“In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals
and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be
allowed to exist.” 

The Fish
and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because
environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial
information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be
warranted.” 

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period.  
Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the 
Book tells us is the definition of evil.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
To: "Off-Topic Texas Cavers" , "TexasCavers" 
, "'Mandy Holt'" , 
"'Jenny Holt'" , "'bbat...@gmail.com'" 
, "'Steve Ashmore'" , "'Sam 
Ashmore'" , "Sally Dearing" 
, "'Guy Heath'" , "'June 
Levy'" , "'Janice Vieira'" , "'Jim 
Sherwin'" , "'James E. Wagner'" 
, "'Karen Ashmore'" , "'Debra 
Batts'" , "'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net'" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM




 
 











I don’t share my good friend’s
feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles
in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor
adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to
this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights
of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of
public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes
invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I
consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all
creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals.
While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the
endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger
of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our
daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup
and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is
money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! 

   

Fritz 

   













  





  





Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do
NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they
will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. 





  





Jackie 





  





Feds
Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to
Deny Land Rights 





Environmental
groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous
eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect
the reptile from “human persecution.” 

“Survival
of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute
them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with
us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in
welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month.
“In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals
and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be
allowed to exist.” 

The Fish
and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because
environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial
information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be
warranted.” 

[Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Fritz Holt]

I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!

Fritz




Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

Jackie

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."

"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."

The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted."

[Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Fritz Holt]

I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!

Fritz




Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

Jackie

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."

"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."

The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted."

[Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[Fritz Holt]

I don't share my good friend's feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am 
amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every 
opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My 
daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the 
relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals 
condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by 
BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to 
a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so 
extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a 
way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they 
should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid 
evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much 
government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the 
Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on 
the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA 
RATTLESNAKE!

Fritz




Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS 
endangered!  We have an understanding.  THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come 
in MY territory and I will leave them alone.  Otherwise, they will go to the 
great snake heaven in the sky.

Jackie

Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to 'Endangered Species List' to Deny Land 
Rights

Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing 
the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order 
to protect the reptile from "human persecution."

"Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to 
persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the 
land with us," Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in 
welcoming the government's decision, announced earlier this month. "In the 
Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. 
All of these species-even the rattlesnakes-should be allowed to exist."

The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the 
snake because environmental groups presented "substantial scientific or 
commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback 
rattlesnake may be warranted."

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Bill Bentley]

I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in 
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves

  - Original Message - 
  From: germa...@aol.com 
  To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



  -Original Message-
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Lyndon Tiu 
  Cc: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


  On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that 
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun 
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very 
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort 
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came 
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed 
to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some in

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Bill Bentley]

I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in 
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves

  - Original Message - 
  From: germa...@aol.com 
  To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



  -Original Message-
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Lyndon Tiu 
  Cc: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


  On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that 
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun 
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very 
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort 
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came 
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed 
to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some in

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Bill Bentley]

I go caving because:
1. I get to enjoy Nature's Central Air... Cool in the Summer and warm in 
Winter...
2. It gets me out of Midland.
3. I get to see my friends.
4. 90% of the time I get to go camping
5. I usually don't eat food that is good for me, but it tastes good.
6. I can not think about work when caving.
7. I always learn something new on every trip.
8. I love to take pictures and this gives me an excuse to take cave pictures.
9. Going caving make my co-workers think I am weird, and that is fine by me.
10.. I just love caves

  - Original Message - 
  From: germa...@aol.com 
  To: pitboun...@gmail.com ; l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



  -Original Message-
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Lyndon Tiu 
  Cc: TexasCavers 
  Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


  That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


  On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that 
have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun 
folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very 
scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort 
to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came 
up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed 
to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some in

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:44:35 -0000 Issue 1555

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:44:35 - Issue 1555

Topics (messages 20026 through 20031):

Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20026 by: Lyndon Tiu
20027 by: Nico Escamilla
20028 by: Mallory Mayeux
20029 by: germanyj.aol.com
20030 by: Nico Escamilla
20031 by: Andy Gluesenkamp

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--- Begin Message ---
Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
>
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>
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--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Cavers are good people.
> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
> I get good food prepared by good people.

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:44:35 -0000 Issue 1555

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:44:35 - Issue 1555

Topics (messages 20026 through 20031):

Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20026 by: Lyndon Tiu
20027 by: Nico Escamilla
20028 by: Mallory Mayeux
20029 by: germanyj.aol.com
20030 by: Nico Escamilla
20031 by: Andy Gluesenkamp

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--- Begin Message ---
Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
>
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
>
> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com



-- 
Lyndon Tiu
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Cavers are good people.
> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
> I get good food prepared by good people.

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Re: 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20026 by: Lyndon Tiu
20027 by: Nico Escamilla
20028 by: Mallory Mayeux
20029 by: germanyj.aol.com
20030 by: Nico Escamilla
20031 by: Andy Gluesenkamp

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Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
>
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
>
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-- 
Lyndon Tiu
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Cavers are good people.
> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
> I get good food prepared by good people.

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

He's not the only one!  
In fact, I think you we on that trip, Julia.

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, germa...@aol.com  wrote:

From: germa...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
To: pitboun...@gmail.com, l...@alumni.sfu.ca
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 9:40 AM

He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)










-Original Message-


From: Nico Escamilla 


To: Lyndon Tiu 


Cc: TexasCavers 


Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am


Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving















That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.







On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:




Cavers are good people.



I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.



I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.



I get good food prepared by good people.



I get to hang with beautiful good people.











On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:



> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!



>



> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in



> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.



>



> If you have no problem with this, post away!



>



>



> Thanks,



>



> Mark



>



> -Original Message-



> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon



> Tiu



> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM



> To: Sheryl Rieck



> Cc: TexasCavers



> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving



>



> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.



>



> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 



> wrote:



>



>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became



>



>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and



>> beauty



>



>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but



>> almost



>



>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have



>



>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a



>



>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time



>> span



>



>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of



>> caving



>



>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks



>



>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails



>



>> from Mark began.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.



>



>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of



>



>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my



>> eyes



>



>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to



>



>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up



>



>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send



>



>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving



>



>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> Here are my 10:



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like



>> snakes.



>



>>



>



>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.



>



>>



>



>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a



>



>> cave.



>



>>



>



>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I



>> am



>



>> sticking to it no matter what.



>



>>



>



>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to



>> it.



>



>>



>



>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than



>



>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.



>



>>



>



>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of



>



>> accounts.



>



>>



>



>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to



>



>> be.



>



>>



>



>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd



>



>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.



>



>>



>



>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be



>



>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are



>



>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

He's not the only one!  
In fact, I think you we on that trip, Julia.

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, germa...@aol.com  wrote:

From: germa...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
To: pitboun...@gmail.com, l...@alumni.sfu.ca
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 9:40 AM

He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)










-Original Message-


From: Nico Escamilla 


To: Lyndon Tiu 


Cc: TexasCavers 


Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am


Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving















That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.







On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:




Cavers are good people.



I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.



I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.



I get good food prepared by good people.



I get to hang with beautiful good people.











On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:



> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!



>



> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in



> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.



>



> If you have no problem with this, post away!



>



>



> Thanks,



>



> Mark



>



> -Original Message-



> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon



> Tiu



> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM



> To: Sheryl Rieck



> Cc: TexasCavers



> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving



>



> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.



>



> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 



> wrote:



>



>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became



>



>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and



>> beauty



>



>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but



>> almost



>



>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have



>



>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a



>



>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time



>> span



>



>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of



>> caving



>



>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks



>



>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails



>



>> from Mark began.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.



>



>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of



>



>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my



>> eyes



>



>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to



>



>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up



>



>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send



>



>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving



>



>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> Here are my 10:



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like



>> snakes.



>



>>



>



>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.



>



>>



>



>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a



>



>> cave.



>



>>



>



>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I



>> am



>



>> sticking to it no matter what.



>



>>



>



>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to



>> it.



>



>>



>



>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than



>



>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.



>



>>



>



>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of



>



>> accounts.



>



>>



>



>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to



>



>> be.



>



>>



>



>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd



>



>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.



>



>>



>



>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be



>



>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are



>



>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would



>> be

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

He's not the only one!  
In fact, I think you we on that trip, Julia.

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, germa...@aol.com  wrote:

From: germa...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
To: pitboun...@gmail.com, l...@alumni.sfu.ca
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 9:40 AM

He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)










-Original Message-


From: Nico Escamilla 


To: Lyndon Tiu 


Cc: TexasCavers 


Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am


Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving















That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.







On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:




Cavers are good people.



I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.



I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.



I get good food prepared by good people.



I get to hang with beautiful good people.











On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:



> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!



>



> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in



> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.



>



> If you have no problem with this, post away!



>



>



> Thanks,



>



> Mark



>



> -Original Message-



> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon



> Tiu



> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM



> To: Sheryl Rieck



> Cc: TexasCavers



> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving



>



> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.



>



> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 



> wrote:



>



>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became



>



>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and



>> beauty



>



>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but



>> almost



>



>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have



>



>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a



>



>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time



>> span



>



>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of



>> caving



>



>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks



>



>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails



>



>> from Mark began.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.



>



>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of



>



>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my



>> eyes



>



>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to



>



>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up



>



>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send



>



>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving



>



>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> Here are my 10:



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like



>> snakes.



>



>>



>



>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.



>



>>



>



>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a



>



>> cave.



>



>>



>



>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I



>> am



>



>> sticking to it no matter what.



>



>>



>



>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to



>> it.



>



>>



>



>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than



>



>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.



>



>>



>



>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of



>



>> accounts.



>



>>



>



>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to



>



>> be.



>



>>



>



>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd



>



>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.



>



>>



>



>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



>



>>



>



>>



>



>>



>



>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be



>



>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are



>



>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Nico Escamilla]

Nah, dont ask me. I do it for selfish non scientific purposes, bragging
rights, among other things.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:

> Hey Nico, where's your list? 4 reasons is better than zero! :)
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Nico Escamilla wrote:
>
>> That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>>
>>> Cavers are good people.
>>> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
>>> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
>>> I get good food prepared by good people.
>>> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
>>> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>>> >
>>> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
>>> in
>>> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>>> >
>>> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Lyndon
>>> > Tiu
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
>>> > To: Sheryl Rieck
>>> > Cc: TexasCavers
>>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
>>> became
>>> >
>>> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>>> >> beauty
>>> >
>>> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>>> >> almost
>>> >
>>> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
>>> have
>>> >
>>> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>>> >
>>> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a
>>> time
>>> >> span
>>> >
>>> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>>> >> caving
>>> >
>>> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
>>> folks
>>> >
>>> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
>>> emails
>>> >
>>> >> from Mark began.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
>>> scientific.
>>> >
>>> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>>> >
>>> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make
>>> my
>>> >> eyes
>>> >
>>> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
>>> effort to
>>> >
>>> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
>>> came up
>>> >
>>> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
>>> send
>>> >
>>> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
>>> caving
>>> >
>>> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> Here are my 10:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>>> >> snakes.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
>>> in a
>>> >
>>> >> cave.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story
>>> and I
>>> >> am
>>> >
>>> >> sticking to it no matter what.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking
>>> to
>>> >> it.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
>>> than
>>> >
>>> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>>> >
>>> >> accounts.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
>>> supposed to
>>> >
>>> >> be.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
>>> odd
>>> >
>>> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would
>>> rather be
>>> >
>>> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
>>> are
>>> >
>>> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
>>> would
>>> >> be
>>> >
>>> >> worth a read.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Nico Escamilla]

Nah, dont ask me. I do it for selfish non scientific purposes, bragging
rights, among other things.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:

> Hey Nico, where's your list? 4 reasons is better than zero! :)
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Nico Escamilla wrote:
>
>> That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>>
>>> Cavers are good people.
>>> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
>>> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
>>> I get good food prepared by good people.
>>> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
>>> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>>> >
>>> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
>>> in
>>> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>>> >
>>> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Lyndon
>>> > Tiu
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
>>> > To: Sheryl Rieck
>>> > Cc: TexasCavers
>>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
>>> became
>>> >
>>> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>>> >> beauty
>>> >
>>> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>>> >> almost
>>> >
>>> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
>>> have
>>> >
>>> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>>> >
>>> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a
>>> time
>>> >> span
>>> >
>>> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>>> >> caving
>>> >
>>> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
>>> folks
>>> >
>>> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
>>> emails
>>> >
>>> >> from Mark began.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
>>> scientific.
>>> >
>>> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>>> >
>>> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make
>>> my
>>> >> eyes
>>> >
>>> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
>>> effort to
>>> >
>>> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
>>> came up
>>> >
>>> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
>>> send
>>> >
>>> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
>>> caving
>>> >
>>> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> Here are my 10:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>>> >> snakes.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
>>> in a
>>> >
>>> >> cave.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story
>>> and I
>>> >> am
>>> >
>>> >> sticking to it no matter what.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking
>>> to
>>> >> it.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
>>> than
>>> >
>>> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>>> >
>>> >> accounts.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
>>> supposed to
>>> >
>>> >> be.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
>>> odd
>>> >
>>> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would
>>> rather be
>>> >
>>> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
>>> are
>>> >
>>> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
>>> would
>>> >> be
>>> >
>>> >> worth a read.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Nico Escamilla]

Nah, dont ask me. I do it for selfish non scientific purposes, bragging
rights, among other things.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:

> Hey Nico, where's your list? 4 reasons is better than zero! :)
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Nico Escamilla wrote:
>
>> That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>>
>>> Cavers are good people.
>>> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
>>> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
>>> I get good food prepared by good people.
>>> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
>>> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>>> >
>>> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
>>> in
>>> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>>> >
>>> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Mark
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Lyndon
>>> > Tiu
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
>>> > To: Sheryl Rieck
>>> > Cc: TexasCavers
>>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
>>> became
>>> >
>>> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>>> >> beauty
>>> >
>>> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>>> >> almost
>>> >
>>> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
>>> have
>>> >
>>> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>>> >
>>> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a
>>> time
>>> >> span
>>> >
>>> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>>> >> caving
>>> >
>>> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
>>> folks
>>> >
>>> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
>>> emails
>>> >
>>> >> from Mark began.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
>>> scientific.
>>> >
>>> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>>> >
>>> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make
>>> my
>>> >> eyes
>>> >
>>> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
>>> effort to
>>> >
>>> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
>>> came up
>>> >
>>> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
>>> send
>>> >
>>> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
>>> caving
>>> >
>>> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> Here are my 10:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>>> >> snakes.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
>>> in a
>>> >
>>> >> cave.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story
>>> and I
>>> >> am
>>> >
>>> >> sticking to it no matter what.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking
>>> to
>>> >> it.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
>>> than
>>> >
>>> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>>> >
>>> >> accounts.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
>>> supposed to
>>> >
>>> >> be.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
>>> odd
>>> >
>>> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would
>>> rather be
>>> >
>>> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
>>> are
>>> >
>>> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
>>> would
>>> >> be
>>> >
>>> >> worth a read.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[germanyj]

He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



-Original Message-
From: Nico Escamilla 
To: Lyndon Tiu 
Cc: TexasCavers 
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[germanyj]

He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



-Original Message-
From: Nico Escamilla 
To: Lyndon Tiu 
Cc: TexasCavers 
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[germanyj]

He could have at least mentioned he met his wife while caving ;)



-Original Message-
From: Nico Escamilla 
To: Lyndon Tiu 
Cc: TexasCavers 
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving


That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.


On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
>
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
>
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mallory Mayeux]

Hey Nico, where's your list? 4 reasons is better than zero! :)

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Nico Escamilla wrote:

> That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>
>> Cavers are good people.
>> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
>> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
>> I get good food prepared by good people.
>> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
>> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>> >
>> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
>> in
>> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>> >
>> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lyndon
>> > Tiu
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
>> > To: Sheryl Rieck
>> > Cc: TexasCavers
>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>> >
>> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
>> became
>> >
>> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> >> beauty
>> >
>> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> >> almost
>> >
>> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
>> have
>> >
>> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>> >
>> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> >> span
>> >
>> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> >> caving
>> >
>> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
>> folks
>> >
>> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
>> emails
>> >
>> >> from Mark began.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
>> scientific.
>> >
>> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>> >
>> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> >> eyes
>> >
>> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
>> effort to
>> >
>> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
>> came up
>> >
>> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
>> send
>> >
>> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
>> caving
>> >
>> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Here are my 10:
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> >> snakes.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
>> in a
>> >
>> >> cave.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and
>> I
>> >> am
>> >
>> >> sticking to it no matter what.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> >> it.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
>> than
>> >
>> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>> >
>> >> accounts.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
>> supposed to
>> >
>> >> be.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
>> odd
>> >
>> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would
>> rather be
>> >
>> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
>> are
>> >
>> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
>> would
>> >> be
>> >
>> >> worth a read.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Lyndon Tiu
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
>> >
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lyndon Tiu
>>
>> -

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mallory Mayeux]

Hey Nico, where's your list? 4 reasons is better than zero! :)

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Nico Escamilla wrote:

> That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>
>> Cavers are good people.
>> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
>> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
>> I get good food prepared by good people.
>> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
>> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>> >
>> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
>> in
>> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>> >
>> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lyndon
>> > Tiu
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
>> > To: Sheryl Rieck
>> > Cc: TexasCavers
>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>> >
>> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
>> became
>> >
>> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> >> beauty
>> >
>> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> >> almost
>> >
>> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
>> have
>> >
>> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>> >
>> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> >> span
>> >
>> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> >> caving
>> >
>> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
>> folks
>> >
>> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
>> emails
>> >
>> >> from Mark began.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
>> scientific.
>> >
>> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>> >
>> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> >> eyes
>> >
>> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
>> effort to
>> >
>> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
>> came up
>> >
>> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
>> send
>> >
>> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
>> caving
>> >
>> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Here are my 10:
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> >> snakes.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
>> in a
>> >
>> >> cave.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and
>> I
>> >> am
>> >
>> >> sticking to it no matter what.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> >> it.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
>> than
>> >
>> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>> >
>> >> accounts.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
>> supposed to
>> >
>> >> be.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
>> odd
>> >
>> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would
>> rather be
>> >
>> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
>> are
>> >
>> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
>> would
>> >> be
>> >
>> >> worth a read.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Lyndon Tiu
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
>> >
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lyndon Tiu
>>
>> -

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mallory Mayeux]

Hey Nico, where's your list? 4 reasons is better than zero! :)

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Nico Escamilla wrote:

> That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>
>> Cavers are good people.
>> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
>> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
>> I get good food prepared by good people.
>> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
>> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>> >
>> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
>> in
>> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>> >
>> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lyndon
>> > Tiu
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
>> > To: Sheryl Rieck
>> > Cc: TexasCavers
>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>> >
>> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
>> became
>> >
>> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> >> beauty
>> >
>> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> >> almost
>> >
>> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
>> have
>> >
>> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>> >
>> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> >> span
>> >
>> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> >> caving
>> >
>> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
>> folks
>> >
>> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
>> emails
>> >
>> >> from Mark began.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
>> scientific.
>> >
>> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>> >
>> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> >> eyes
>> >
>> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
>> effort to
>> >
>> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
>> came up
>> >
>> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
>> send
>> >
>> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
>> caving
>> >
>> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Here are my 10:
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> >> snakes.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
>> in a
>> >
>> >> cave.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and
>> I
>> >> am
>> >
>> >> sticking to it no matter what.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> >> it.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
>> than
>> >
>> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>> >
>> >> accounts.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
>> supposed to
>> >
>> >> be.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
>> odd
>> >
>> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would
>> rather be
>> >
>> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
>> are
>> >
>> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
>> would
>> >> be
>> >
>> >> worth a read.
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Lyndon Tiu
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
>> >
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lyndon Tiu
>>
>> -

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Nico Escamilla]

That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Cavers are good people.
> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
> I get good food prepared by good people.
> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
> >
> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
> >
> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Lyndon
> > Tiu
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> > To: Sheryl Rieck
> > Cc: TexasCavers
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
> >
> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
> became
> >
> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
> >> beauty
> >
> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
> >> almost
> >
> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
> have
> >
> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> >
> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
> >> span
> >
> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
> >> caving
> >
> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
> folks
> >
> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
> >
> >> from Mark began.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
> scientific.
> >
> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> >
> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
> >> eyes
> >
> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
> to
> >
> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
> up
> >
> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
> >
> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
> caving
> >
> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Here are my 10:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
> >> snakes.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in
> a
> >
> >> cave.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
> >> am
> >
> >> sticking to it no matter what.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
> >> it.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
> than
> >
> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> >
> >> accounts.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
> to
> >
> >> be.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
> odd
> >
> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
> be
> >
> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
> are
> >
> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
> would
> >> be
> >
> >> worth a read.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Lyndon Tiu
> >
> > -
> >
> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
> >
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> >
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>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Nico Escamilla]

That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Cavers are good people.
> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
> I get good food prepared by good people.
> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
> >
> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
> >
> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Lyndon
> > Tiu
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> > To: Sheryl Rieck
> > Cc: TexasCavers
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
> >
> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
> became
> >
> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
> >> beauty
> >
> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
> >> almost
> >
> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
> have
> >
> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> >
> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
> >> span
> >
> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
> >> caving
> >
> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
> folks
> >
> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
> >
> >> from Mark began.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
> scientific.
> >
> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> >
> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
> >> eyes
> >
> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
> to
> >
> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
> up
> >
> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
> >
> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
> caving
> >
> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Here are my 10:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
> >> snakes.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in
> a
> >
> >> cave.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
> >> am
> >
> >> sticking to it no matter what.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
> >> it.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
> than
> >
> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> >
> >> accounts.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
> to
> >
> >> be.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
> odd
> >
> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
> be
> >
> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
> are
> >
> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
> would
> >> be
> >
> >> worth a read.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Lyndon Tiu
> >
> > -
> >
> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
> >
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
> >
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>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Nico Escamilla]

That's only four Lyndon, come on.. you can do better than that.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Cavers are good people.
> I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
> I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
> I get good food prepared by good people.
> I get to hang with beautiful good people.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> > Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
> >
> > As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> > the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
> >
> > If you have no problem with this, post away!
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Lyndon
> > Tiu
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> > To: Sheryl Rieck
> > Cc: TexasCavers
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
> >
> > Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
> >
> > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
> became
> >
> >> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
> >> beauty
> >
> >> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
> >> almost
> >
> >> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
> have
> >
> >> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> >
> >> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
> >> span
> >
> >> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
> >> caving
> >
> >> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
> folks
> >
> >> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
> >
> >> from Mark began.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
> scientific.
> >
> >> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> >
> >> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
> >> eyes
> >
> >> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
> to
> >
> >> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
> up
> >
> >> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
> >
> >> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
> caving
> >
> >> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Here are my 10:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
> >> snakes.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in
> a
> >
> >> cave.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
> >> am
> >
> >> sticking to it no matter what.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
> >> it.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
> than
> >
> >> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> >
> >> accounts.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
> to
> >
> >> be.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
> odd
> >
> >> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
> be
> >
> >> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
> are
> >
> >> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
> would
> >> be
> >
> >> worth a read.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Lyndon Tiu
> >
> > -
> >
> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
> >
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
> >
> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
>
>
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
> -
>
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lyndon Tiu
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

Cavers are good people.
I get to go camping for cheap surrrounded by good people.
I get to do something fun and exciting with good people.
I get good food prepared by good people.
I get to hang with beautiful good people.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,   wrote:
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
> Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
>> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
>> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
>> beauty
>
>> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
>> almost
>
>> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
>
>> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
>> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
>> span
>
>> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
>> caving
>
>> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
>
>> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
>> from Mark began.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
>
>> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
>> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
>> eyes
>
>> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
>
>> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
>
>> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
>> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
>> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Here are my 10:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
>> snakes.
>
>>
>
>> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
>>
>
>> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
>> cave.
>
>>
>
>> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
>> am
>
>> sticking to it no matter what.
>
>>
>
>> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
>> it.
>
>>
>
>> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
>> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
>> accounts.
>
>>
>
>> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
>
>> be.
>
>>
>
>> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
>> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
>>
>
>> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
>
>> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
>> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
>> be
>
>> worth a read.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:32:49 - Issue 1554

Topics (messages 20020 through 20025):

10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20020 by: Sheryl Rieck
20021 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
20022 by: Lyndon Tiu
20023 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
20024 by: Mallory Mayeux
20025 by: Fritz Holt

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--- Begin Message ---
I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices
that have kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails from Mark began.



I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read,
I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you
could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the
Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles would be
fascinating.



Here are my 10:



1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
be worth a read.



Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks, Sheryl! 

 

OK, I'll start:

 

"Since I'm not able to visit the moon, caving is the closest I'll ever
get to visiting an alien landscape and having an "otherworldly"
experience."

 

Your turn!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

 

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace
and beauty of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4
years, but almost no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is
my choices that have kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing
it any less.  

 

As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again
of caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch
of fun folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same
time, the emails from Mark began. 

 

I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific. I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the
realm of speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they
make my eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So,
in an effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something
to read, I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought
maybe you could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving.
Knowing the Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles
would be fascinating.

 

Here are my 10:

 

1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:32:49 -0000 Issue 1554

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:32:49 - Issue 1554

Topics (messages 20020 through 20025):

10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20020 by: Sheryl Rieck
20021 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
20022 by: Lyndon Tiu
20023 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
20024 by: Mallory Mayeux
20025 by: Fritz Holt

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--
--- Begin Message ---
I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices
that have kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails from Mark began.



I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read,
I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you
could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the
Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles would be
fascinating.



Here are my 10:



1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
be worth a read.



Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks, Sheryl! 

 

OK, I'll start:

 

"Since I'm not able to visit the moon, caving is the closest I'll ever
get to visiting an alien landscape and having an "otherworldly"
experience."

 

Your turn!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

 

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace
and beauty of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4
years, but almost no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is
my choices that have kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing
it any less.  

 

As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again
of caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch
of fun folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same
time, the emails from Mark began. 

 

I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific. I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the
realm of speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they
make my eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So,
in an effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something
to read, I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought
maybe you could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving.
Knowing the Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles
would be fascinating.

 

Here are my 10:

 

1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and

texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:32:49 -0000 Issue 1554

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texascavers Digest 22 May 2012 14:32:49 - Issue 1554

Topics (messages 20020 through 20025):

10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
20020 by: Sheryl Rieck
20021 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
20022 by: Lyndon Tiu
20023 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
20024 by: Mallory Mayeux
20025 by: Fritz Holt

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--
--- Begin Message ---
I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices
that have kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails from Mark began.



I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read,
I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you
could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the
Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles would be
fascinating.



Here are my 10:



1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
be worth a read.



Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks, Sheryl! 

 

OK, I'll start:

 

"Since I'm not able to visit the moon, caving is the closest I'll ever
get to visiting an alien landscape and having an "otherworldly"
experience."

 

Your turn!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

 

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace
and beauty of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4
years, but almost no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is
my choices that have kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing
it any less.  

 

As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again
of caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch
of fun folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same
time, the emails from Mark began. 

 

I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific. I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the
realm of speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they
make my eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So,
in an effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something
to read, I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought
maybe you could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving.
Knowing the Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles
would be fascinating.

 

Here are my 10:

 

1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and

RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Fritz Holt]

Mallory,

Cool recollections from a gung ho caver who looks damn good in a wetsuit. Most 
of us have been there and experienced the excitement of entering a cave, old or 
new. For most of us the best part of caving is the camaraderie with fellow 
caver friends.
KEEP ON CAVING!

Fritz, an old spelunker


From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:10 AM
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Cc: Lyndon Tiu; Sheryl Rieck; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Mark,

You took my best reason!

Here goes my list: (both playful and serious.)

The smell of cave dirt  brings back the BEST memories. (I began caving in 
college, at Mammoth Cave, the first time I was ever really away from home. When 
I take a deep breath underground, suddenly I'm 19 again, tasting my first 
freedom, and life's possibilities are endless.)

There is nothing like a 12+ hour cave trip to run your mind blank, and just 
exist in the moment.

Caving gear is my indulgence. Ordering a shiny pantin, a thick coil of new 11 
mm rope, a colorful new Rutherford pack, chunky boots...bliss! I love them all 
and can't wait to put them to good use!

The fear you feel when you're stepping off the side of a tall pit makes you 
feel alive.

If society collapses I know ALL the best hideouts.

The people. Cavers have been my best friends, significant others, inspirations. 
And of course, some of the weirdest people that I've ever
met! Not a day goes by that I don't thank God and whatever stars aligned that I 
fell into caving and became one of you wackos. :)

The couch at Deep/Punkin is the comfiest one I've ever slept on.

Getting to cave entrances puts my RAV4's 4x4 capabilities to good use. Probably 
the ONLY time I get to use that feature.

If I go caving, I usually go west. And when I go west, sometimes I see cactus. 
And cactus is really cool.

I look damn good in a wetsuit. Honey Creek Tank Haul, baby!

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM, 
mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>> wrote:

Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!

As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in the 
next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.

If you have no problem with this, post away!


Thanks,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lyndon@gmail.com 
[mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became

> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty

> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but almost

> no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is my choices that have

> kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing it any less.

>

>

>

> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a

> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time span

> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of caving

> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks

> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails

> from Mark began.

>

>

>

> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.

> I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of

> speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they make my eyes

> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to

> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up

> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send

> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving

> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.

>

>

>

> Here are my 10:

>

>

>

> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

>

> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

>

> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a

> cave.

>

> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am

> sticking to it no matter what.

>

> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

>

> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than

> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

>

> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of

> accounts.

>

> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to

> be.

>

> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd

> people on caving trips and tha

RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Fritz Holt]

Mallory,

Cool recollections from a gung ho caver who looks damn good in a wetsuit. Most 
of us have been there and experienced the excitement of entering a cave, old or 
new. For most of us the best part of caving is the camaraderie with fellow 
caver friends.
KEEP ON CAVING!

Fritz, an old spelunker


From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:10 AM
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Cc: Lyndon Tiu; Sheryl Rieck; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Mark,

You took my best reason!

Here goes my list: (both playful and serious.)

The smell of cave dirt  brings back the BEST memories. (I began caving in 
college, at Mammoth Cave, the first time I was ever really away from home. When 
I take a deep breath underground, suddenly I'm 19 again, tasting my first 
freedom, and life's possibilities are endless.)

There is nothing like a 12+ hour cave trip to run your mind blank, and just 
exist in the moment.

Caving gear is my indulgence. Ordering a shiny pantin, a thick coil of new 11 
mm rope, a colorful new Rutherford pack, chunky boots...bliss! I love them all 
and can't wait to put them to good use!

The fear you feel when you're stepping off the side of a tall pit makes you 
feel alive.

If society collapses I know ALL the best hideouts.

The people. Cavers have been my best friends, significant others, inspirations. 
And of course, some of the weirdest people that I've ever
met! Not a day goes by that I don't thank God and whatever stars aligned that I 
fell into caving and became one of you wackos. :)

The couch at Deep/Punkin is the comfiest one I've ever slept on.

Getting to cave entrances puts my RAV4's 4x4 capabilities to good use. Probably 
the ONLY time I get to use that feature.

If I go caving, I usually go west. And when I go west, sometimes I see cactus. 
And cactus is really cool.

I look damn good in a wetsuit. Honey Creek Tank Haul, baby!

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM, 
mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>> wrote:

Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!

As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in the 
next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.

If you have no problem with this, post away!


Thanks,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lyndon@gmail.com 
[mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became

> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty

> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but almost

> no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is my choices that have

> kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing it any less.

>

>

>

> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a

> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time span

> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of caving

> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks

> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails

> from Mark began.

>

>

>

> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.

> I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of

> speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they make my eyes

> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to

> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up

> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send

> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving

> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.

>

>

>

> Here are my 10:

>

>

>

> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

>

> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

>

> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a

> cave.

>

> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am

> sticking to it no matter what.

>

> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

>

> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than

> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

>

> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of

> accounts.

>

> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to

> be.

>

> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd

> people on caving trips and tha

RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Fritz Holt]

Mallory,

Cool recollections from a gung ho caver who looks damn good in a wetsuit. Most 
of us have been there and experienced the excitement of entering a cave, old or 
new. For most of us the best part of caving is the camaraderie with fellow 
caver friends.
KEEP ON CAVING!

Fritz, an old spelunker


From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:10 AM
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Cc: Lyndon Tiu; Sheryl Rieck; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Mark,

You took my best reason!

Here goes my list: (both playful and serious.)

The smell of cave dirt  brings back the BEST memories. (I began caving in 
college, at Mammoth Cave, the first time I was ever really away from home. When 
I take a deep breath underground, suddenly I'm 19 again, tasting my first 
freedom, and life's possibilities are endless.)

There is nothing like a 12+ hour cave trip to run your mind blank, and just 
exist in the moment.

Caving gear is my indulgence. Ordering a shiny pantin, a thick coil of new 11 
mm rope, a colorful new Rutherford pack, chunky boots...bliss! I love them all 
and can't wait to put them to good use!

The fear you feel when you're stepping off the side of a tall pit makes you 
feel alive.

If society collapses I know ALL the best hideouts.

The people. Cavers have been my best friends, significant others, inspirations. 
And of course, some of the weirdest people that I've ever
met! Not a day goes by that I don't thank God and whatever stars aligned that I 
fell into caving and became one of you wackos. :)

The couch at Deep/Punkin is the comfiest one I've ever slept on.

Getting to cave entrances puts my RAV4's 4x4 capabilities to good use. Probably 
the ONLY time I get to use that feature.

If I go caving, I usually go west. And when I go west, sometimes I see cactus. 
And cactus is really cool.

I look damn good in a wetsuit. Honey Creek Tank Haul, baby!

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM, 
mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>> wrote:

Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!

As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in the 
next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.

If you have no problem with this, post away!


Thanks,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lyndon@gmail.com 
[mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became

> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty

> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but almost

> no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is my choices that have

> kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing it any less.

>

>

>

> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a

> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time span

> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of caving

> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks

> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails

> from Mark began.

>

>

>

> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.

> I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of

> speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they make my eyes

> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to

> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up

> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send

> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving

> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.

>

>

>

> Here are my 10:

>

>

>

> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

>

> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

>

> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a

> cave.

>

> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am

> sticking to it no matter what.

>

> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

>

> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than

> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

>

> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of

> accounts.

>

> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to

> be.

>

> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd

> people on caving trips and tha

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mallory Mayeux]

Mark,

You took my best reason!

Here goes my list: (both playful and serious.)

The smell of cave dirt  brings back the BEST memories. (I began caving in
college, at Mammoth Cave, the first time I was ever really away from home.
When I take a deep breath underground, suddenly I'm 19 again, tasting my
first freedom, and life's possibilities are endless.)

There is nothing like a 12+ hour cave trip to run your mind blank, and just
exist in the moment.

Caving gear is my indulgence. Ordering a shiny pantin, a thick coil of new
11 mm rope, a colorful new Rutherford pack, chunky boots...bliss! I love
them all and can't wait to put them to good use!

The fear you feel when you're stepping off the side of a tall pit makes you
feel alive.

If society collapses I know ALL the best hideouts.

The people. Cavers have been my best friends, significant others,
inspirations. And of course, some of the weirdest people that I've ever
met! Not a day goes by that I don't thank God and whatever stars aligned
that I fell into caving and became one of you wackos. :)

The couch at Deep/Punkin is the comfiest one I've ever slept on.

Getting to cave entrances puts my RAV4's 4x4 capabilities to good use.
Probably the ONLY time I get to use that feature.

If I go caving, I usually go west. And when I go west, sometimes I see
cactus. And cactus is really cool.

I look damn good in a wetsuit. Honey Creek Tank Haul, baby!

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,  wrote:

> **
>
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of* The TEXAS CAVER.*
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com]
> On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
> > I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
> > too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
> beauty
>
> > of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
> almost
>
> > no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
> have
>
> > kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
> > go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
> span
>
> > and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
> caving
>
> > and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
> folks
>
> > than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
> > from Mark began.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
> scientific.
>
> > I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
> > speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
> eyes
>
> > roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
> to
>
> > give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
> up
>
> > with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
> > Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
> > community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Here are my 10:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
> snakes.
>
> >
>
> > 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> >
>
> > 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
> > cave.
>
> >
>
> > 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
> am
>
> > sticking to it no matter what.
>
> >
>
> > 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
> it.
>
> >
>
> > 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
> > saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> >
>
> > 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
> > accounts.
>
> >
>
> > 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
> to
>
> > be.
>
> >
>
> > 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
> > people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> >
>
> > 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
> be
>
> > caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
> > verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
> would be
>
> > worth a read.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Disclaimer: Not all

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mallory Mayeux]

Mark,

You took my best reason!

Here goes my list: (both playful and serious.)

The smell of cave dirt  brings back the BEST memories. (I began caving in
college, at Mammoth Cave, the first time I was ever really away from home.
When I take a deep breath underground, suddenly I'm 19 again, tasting my
first freedom, and life's possibilities are endless.)

There is nothing like a 12+ hour cave trip to run your mind blank, and just
exist in the moment.

Caving gear is my indulgence. Ordering a shiny pantin, a thick coil of new
11 mm rope, a colorful new Rutherford pack, chunky boots...bliss! I love
them all and can't wait to put them to good use!

The fear you feel when you're stepping off the side of a tall pit makes you
feel alive.

If society collapses I know ALL the best hideouts.

The people. Cavers have been my best friends, significant others,
inspirations. And of course, some of the weirdest people that I've ever
met! Not a day goes by that I don't thank God and whatever stars aligned
that I fell into caving and became one of you wackos. :)

The couch at Deep/Punkin is the comfiest one I've ever slept on.

Getting to cave entrances puts my RAV4's 4x4 capabilities to good use.
Probably the ONLY time I get to use that feature.

If I go caving, I usually go west. And when I go west, sometimes I see
cactus. And cactus is really cool.

I look damn good in a wetsuit. Honey Creek Tank Haul, baby!

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,  wrote:

> **
>
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of* The TEXAS CAVER.*
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com]
> On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
> > I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
> > too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
> beauty
>
> > of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
> almost
>
> > no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
> have
>
> > kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
> > go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
> span
>
> > and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
> caving
>
> > and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
> folks
>
> > than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
> > from Mark began.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
> scientific.
>
> > I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
> > speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
> eyes
>
> > roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
> to
>
> > give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
> up
>
> > with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
> > Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
> > community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Here are my 10:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
> snakes.
>
> >
>
> > 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> >
>
> > 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
> > cave.
>
> >
>
> > 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
> am
>
> > sticking to it no matter what.
>
> >
>
> > 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
> it.
>
> >
>
> > 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
> > saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> >
>
> > 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
> > accounts.
>
> >
>
> > 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
> to
>
> > be.
>
> >
>
> > 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
> > people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> >
>
> > 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
> be
>
> > caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
> > verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
> would be
>
> > worth a read.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Disclaimer: Not all

Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mallory Mayeux]

Mark,

You took my best reason!

Here goes my list: (both playful and serious.)

The smell of cave dirt  brings back the BEST memories. (I began caving in
college, at Mammoth Cave, the first time I was ever really away from home.
When I take a deep breath underground, suddenly I'm 19 again, tasting my
first freedom, and life's possibilities are endless.)

There is nothing like a 12+ hour cave trip to run your mind blank, and just
exist in the moment.

Caving gear is my indulgence. Ordering a shiny pantin, a thick coil of new
11 mm rope, a colorful new Rutherford pack, chunky boots...bliss! I love
them all and can't wait to put them to good use!

The fear you feel when you're stepping off the side of a tall pit makes you
feel alive.

If society collapses I know ALL the best hideouts.

The people. Cavers have been my best friends, significant others,
inspirations. And of course, some of the weirdest people that I've ever
met! Not a day goes by that I don't thank God and whatever stars aligned
that I fell into caving and became one of you wackos. :)

The couch at Deep/Punkin is the comfiest one I've ever slept on.

Getting to cave entrances puts my RAV4's 4x4 capabilities to good use.
Probably the ONLY time I get to use that feature.

If I go caving, I usually go west. And when I go west, sometimes I see
cactus. And cactus is really cool.

I look damn good in a wetsuit. Honey Creek Tank Haul, baby!

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:22 AM,  wrote:

> **
>
> Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!
>
> As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used in
> the next issue of* The TEXAS CAVER.*
>
> If you have no problem with this, post away!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com]
> On Behalf Of Lyndon Tiu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
> To: Sheryl Rieck
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving
>
> Sounds like a good title for a TC article.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
> wrote:
>
> > I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
>
> > too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
> beauty
>
> > of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
> almost
>
> > no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that
> have
>
> > kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
>
> > go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
> span
>
> > and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
> caving
>
> > and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
> folks
>
> > than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
>
> > from Mark began.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
> scientific.
>
> > I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
>
> > speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
> eyes
>
> > roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort
> to
>
> > give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came
> up
>
> > with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
>
> > Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
>
> > community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Here are my 10:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
> snakes.
>
> >
>
> > 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> >
>
> > 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
>
> > cave.
>
> >
>
> > 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
> am
>
> > sticking to it no matter what.
>
> >
>
> > 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
> it.
>
> >
>
> > 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
>
> > saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> >
>
> > 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
>
> > accounts.
>
> >
>
> > 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
> to
>
> > be.
>
> >
>
> > 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
>
> > people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> >
>
> > 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather
> be
>
> > caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
>
> > verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
> would be
>
> > worth a read.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Disclaimer: Not all

RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mark . Alman]

Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!

As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
in the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.

If you have no problem with this, post away!


Thanks,

Mark



-Original Message-
From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
wrote:
> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became
> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
beauty
> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost
> no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is my choices that
have
> kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing it any less.
>
>
>
> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a
time span
> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving
> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks
> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails
> from Mark began.
>
>
>
> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific.
> I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they make
my eyes
> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to
> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
came up
> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
send
> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
caving
> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>
>
> Here are my 10:
>
>
>
> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
snakes.
>
> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
in a
> cave.
>
> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and
I am
> sticking to it no matter what.
>
> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking
to it.
>
> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
than
> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> accounts.
>
> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
supposed to
> be.
>
> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
odd
> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>
>
> I cannot wait to see what others' 10 reasons are that they would
rather be
> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
are
> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
would be
> worth a read.
>
>
>
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RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mark . Alman]

Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!

As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
in the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.

If you have no problem with this, post away!


Thanks,

Mark



-Original Message-
From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
wrote:
> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became
> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
beauty
> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost
> no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is my choices that
have
> kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing it any less.
>
>
>
> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a
time span
> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving
> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks
> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails
> from Mark began.
>
>
>
> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific.
> I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they make
my eyes
> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to
> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
came up
> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
send
> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
caving
> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>
>
> Here are my 10:
>
>
>
> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
snakes.
>
> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
in a
> cave.
>
> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and
I am
> sticking to it no matter what.
>
> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking
to it.
>
> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
than
> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> accounts.
>
> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
supposed to
> be.
>
> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
odd
> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>
>
> I cannot wait to see what others' 10 reasons are that they would
rather be
> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
are
> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
would be
> worth a read.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.



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RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mark . Alman]

Damn! You figured out Sheryl and my ulterior motive, Lyndon!

As Sheryl stated, please be aware that your responses can/will be used
in the next issue of The TEXAS CAVER.

If you have no problem with this, post away!


Thanks,

Mark



-Original Message-
From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Lyndon Tiu
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:19 AM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck 
wrote:
> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became
> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and
beauty
> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost
> no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is my choices that
have
> kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing it any less.
>
>
>
> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a
time span
> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving
> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks
> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails
> from Mark began.
>
>
>
> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific.
> I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they make
my eyes
> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to
> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I
came up
> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could
send
> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas
caving
> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>
>
> Here are my 10:
>
>
>
> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
snakes.
>
> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me
in a
> cave.
>
> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and
I am
> sticking to it no matter what.
>
> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking
to it.
>
> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
than
> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> accounts.
>
> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is
supposed to
> be.
>
> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
odd
> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>
>
> I cannot wait to see what others' 10 reasons are that they would
rather be
> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
are
> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
would be
> worth a read.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.



-- 
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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck  wrote:
> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but almost
> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>
>
> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time span
> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of caving
> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
> from Mark began.
>
>
>
> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my eyes
> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>
>
> Here are my 10:
>
>
>
> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.
>
> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
> cave.
>
> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
> sticking to it no matter what.
>
> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.
>
> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> accounts.
>
> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
> be.
>
> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>
>
> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would be
> worth a read.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.



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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck  wrote:
> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but almost
> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>
>
> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time span
> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of caving
> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
> from Mark began.
>
>
>
> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my eyes
> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>
>
> Here are my 10:
>
>
>
> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.
>
> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
> cave.
>
> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
> sticking to it no matter what.
>
> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.
>
> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> accounts.
>
> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
> be.
>
> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>
>
> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would be
> worth a read.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.



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Re: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

Sounds like a good title for a TC article.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Sheryl Rieck  wrote:
> I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
> too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
> of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but almost
> no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices that have
> kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.
>
>
>
> As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
> go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time span
> and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of caving
> and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun folks
> than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the emails
> from Mark began.
>
>
>
> I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
> I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
> speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my eyes
> roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an effort to
> give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read, I came up
> with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you could send
> Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the Texas caving
> community as I do, I think that the articles would be fascinating.
>
>
>
> Here are my 10:
>
>
>
> 1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.
>
> 2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.
>
> 3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
> cave.
>
> 4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
> sticking to it no matter what.
>
> 5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.
>
> 6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
> saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.
>
> 7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
> accounts.
>
> 8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
> be.
>
> 9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
> people on caving trips and that is just fun.
>
> 10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.
>
>
>
> I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
> caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
> verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would be
> worth a read.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.



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RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mark . Alman]

Thanks, Sheryl! 

 

OK, I'll start:

 

"Since I'm not able to visit the moon, caving is the closest I'll ever
get to visiting an alien landscape and having an "otherworldly"
experience."

 

Your turn!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

 

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace
and beauty of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4
years, but almost no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is
my choices that have kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing
it any less.  

 

As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again
of caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch
of fun folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same
time, the emails from Mark began. 

 

I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific. I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the
realm of speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they
make my eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So,
in an effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something
to read, I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought
maybe you could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving.
Knowing the Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles
would be fascinating.

 

Here are my 10:

 

1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in
a cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
am sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
than saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
to be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
odd people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.

 

I cannot wait to see what others' 10 reasons are that they would rather
be caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
are verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
would be worth a read.

 

Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.

RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mark . Alman]

Thanks, Sheryl! 

 

OK, I'll start:

 

"Since I'm not able to visit the moon, caving is the closest I'll ever
get to visiting an alien landscape and having an "otherworldly"
experience."

 

Your turn!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

 

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace
and beauty of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4
years, but almost no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is
my choices that have kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing
it any less.  

 

As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again
of caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch
of fun folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same
time, the emails from Mark began. 

 

I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific. I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the
realm of speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they
make my eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So,
in an effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something
to read, I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought
maybe you could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving.
Knowing the Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles
would be fascinating.

 

Here are my 10:

 

1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in
a cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
am sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
than saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
to be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
odd people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.

 

I cannot wait to see what others' 10 reasons are that they would rather
be caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
are verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
would be worth a read.

 

Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.

RE: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Mark . Alman]

Thanks, Sheryl! 

 

OK, I'll start:

 

"Since I'm not able to visit the moon, caving is the closest I'll ever
get to visiting an alien landscape and having an "otherworldly"
experience."

 

Your turn!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

 

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly
became too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace
and beauty of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4
years, but almost no day goes by that I don't think about caving. It is
my choices that have kept me from caving. That doesn't keep from missing
it any less.  

 

As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again
of caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch
of fun folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same
time, the emails from Mark began. 

 

I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very
scientific. I'm an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the
realm of speleological studies. I don't read those articles because they
make my eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So,
in an effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something
to read, I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought
maybe you could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving.
Knowing the Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles
would be fascinating.

 

Here are my 10:

 

1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like
snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in
a cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I
am sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to
it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting
than saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed
to be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly
odd people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.

 

I cannot wait to see what others' 10 reasons are that they would rather
be caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You
are verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons
would be worth a read.

 

Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.

[Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Sheryl Rieck]

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices
that have kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails from Mark began.



I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read,
I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you
could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the
Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles would be
fascinating.



Here are my 10:



1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
be worth a read.



Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.

[Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Sheryl Rieck]

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices
that have kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails from Mark began.



I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read,
I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you
could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the
Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles would be
fascinating.



Here are my 10:



1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
be worth a read.



Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.

[Texascavers] 10 Reasons I Would Rather Be Caving

[Sheryl Rieck]

I started caving a bit later in life than many people and promptly became
too busy to cave even though I had fallen in love with the peace and beauty
of the caves I had visited. I have not been in a cave in 4 years, but
almost no day goes by that I don’t think about caving. It is my choices
that have kept me from caving. That doesn’t keep from missing it any less.



As I was wading through the massive number of issues associated with a
go-live (the ultimate goal of my projects) that was in too short a time
span and with too little information, I found myself thinking yet again of
caving and how I would so much prefer to be underground with a bunch of fun
folks than getting my butt kicked by issues.  About this same time, the
emails from Mark began.



I agreed with the assessment of the publications becoming very scientific.
I’m an accountant. I have no scientific knowledge in the realm of
speleological studies. I don’t read those articles because they make my
eyes roll back in my head and that just makes my eyes hurt. So, in an
effort to give Mark an article and to give us laypeople something to read,
I came up with 10 reasons I would rather be caving. I thought maybe you
could send Mark YOUR 10 reasons you would rather be caving. Knowing the
Texas caving community as I do, I think that the articles would be
fascinating.



Here are my 10:



1.   The snakes are only at the entrance of a cave and look like snakes.

2.   A traffic jam is just a good way to rest in a cave.

3.   The people who annoy me most would never be able to find me in a
cave.

4.   My laptop cannot get a signal in a cave. That is my story and I am
sticking to it no matter what.

5.   My cell phone cannot get a signal in a cave. Ditto sticking to it.

6.   Saying you have been mapping a cave sounds more interesting than
saying you have been mapping a chart of accounts.

7.   Mapping a cave IS more interesting than mapping a chart of
accounts.

8.   When I am in the dark in a cave that is the way it is supposed to
be.

9.   I have met some interesting, entertaining, and/or incredibly odd
people on caving trips and that is just fun.

10.   I am usually not the strangest person in the group.



I cannot wait to see what others’ 10 reasons are that they would rather be
caving. I have read some truly amazing words from so many of you. You are
verbose, imaginative, and clever people and I think your 10 reasons would
be worth a read.



Disclaimer: Not all submissions will be published and you know why.