[SWR] Panoramic Photo
Hi all! The last I heard, we had 112 people signed up for the 50th Anniversary celebration! It will be fantastic to see everyone. One thing to let everyone know, is that Pete Lindsley has agreed to take a panoramic photo of the group on the Quad at Fort Stanton just prior to the dinner at 6 pm. So as everyone gathers near the cafeteria for the dinner, around 5:45 or so, please plan on being part of this historic photo. If we can gather everyone together, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to get the photo done. See you there! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Panoramic Photo
I want a copy of that photo, even if it's just a jpeg. I can always Photoshop my way into the image. Let me know how to get hold of it when done. Just wish I could be there as well… Peter On May 23, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Steve Peerman wrote: Hi all! The last I heard, we had 112 people signed up for the 50th Anniversary celebration! It will be fantastic to see everyone. One thing to let everyone know, is that Pete Lindsley has agreed to take a panoramic photo of the group on the Quad at Fort Stanton just prior to the dinner at 6 pm. So as everyone gathers near the cafeteria for the dinner, around 5:45 or so, please plan on being part of this historic photo. If we can gather everyone together, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to get the photo done. See you there! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
how about we just bing our head lamps...that way when we walk into a wall will still be ok (smrik) From: wcwal...@zianet.com To: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:38:24 -0600 CC: s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Strange - last year when we had the Fort Stanton Live military ball there all the lights worked and there have been no major functions since then. The friends group has a bunch of oil lanterns if those would help. - Original Message - From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM To: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Steve, I think we have a couple of portable lights in the garage - Dorothy is off tomorrow, so we will take a look. Regards, John -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
We could all eat dinner and listen to speakers with caving helmets and lights. Just joshing. Linda S Hey all, I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! It should be up on the web as soon as I dropbox the PDF to Pete and Jen for the web site. Then, I go to the printer to see what it will cost to print 100 copies or so and I'll report that at the meeting. Thanks to Pete L., Steve F., and Carol B. for reviewing so carefully. Linda Starr On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM, wcwal...@zianet.com wrote: I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. __**_ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/**listinfo/swr_caver.nethttp://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net __**_ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/**listinfo/swr_caver.nethttp://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
On 05/23/2012 17:38, Linda Starr wrote: I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! Yay! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land Rights Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from “human persecution.” “Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.” The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be warranted.”
[SWR] Panoramic Photo
Hi all! The last I heard, we had 112 people signed up for the 50th Anniversary celebration! It will be fantastic to see everyone. One thing to let everyone know, is that Pete Lindsley has agreed to take a panoramic photo of the group on the Quad at Fort Stanton just prior to the dinner at 6 pm. So as everyone gathers near the cafeteria for the dinner, around 5:45 or so, please plan on being part of this historic photo. If we can gather everyone together, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to get the photo done. See you there! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Panoramic Photo
I want a copy of that photo, even if it's just a jpeg. I can always Photoshop my way into the image. Let me know how to get hold of it when done. Just wish I could be there as well… Peter On May 23, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Steve Peerman wrote: Hi all! The last I heard, we had 112 people signed up for the 50th Anniversary celebration! It will be fantastic to see everyone. One thing to let everyone know, is that Pete Lindsley has agreed to take a panoramic photo of the group on the Quad at Fort Stanton just prior to the dinner at 6 pm. So as everyone gathers near the cafeteria for the dinner, around 5:45 or so, please plan on being part of this historic photo. If we can gather everyone together, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to get the photo done. See you there! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] Western cavers party in the Southeast
The Birmingham (Al) Grotto recently hosted a western -themed meeting of the Southeastern Regional Association of the NSS. I thought you Texas folks might enjoy seeing our take on the West. Lots of pictures at :http://www.spelunkologists.com/Sera2012/index.htm. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Bat Flight
A new study has determined that bats save energy when they fly by folding in their wings on the upstroke: http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2012/04/foldflap Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
how about we just bing our head lamps...that way when we walk into a wall will still be ok (smrik) From: wcwal...@zianet.com To: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:38:24 -0600 CC: s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Strange - last year when we had the Fort Stanton Live military ball there all the lights worked and there have been no major functions since then. The friends group has a bunch of oil lanterns if those would help. - Original Message - From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM To: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Steve, I think we have a couple of portable lights in the garage - Dorothy is off tomorrow, so we will take a look. Regards, John -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
We could all eat dinner and listen to speakers with caving helmets and lights. Just joshing. Linda S Hey all, I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! It should be up on the web as soon as I dropbox the PDF to Pete and Jen for the web site. Then, I go to the printer to see what it will cost to print 100 copies or so and I'll report that at the meeting. Thanks to Pete L., Steve F., and Carol B. for reviewing so carefully. Linda Starr On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM, wcwal...@zianet.com wrote: I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. __**_ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/**listinfo/swr_caver.nethttp://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net __**_ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/**listinfo/swr_caver.nethttp://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
On 05/23/2012 17:38, Linda Starr wrote: I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! Yay! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land Rights Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from “human persecution.” “Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.” The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be warranted.”
Re: [SWR] Panoramic Photo
I want a copy of that photo, even if it's just a jpeg. I can always Photoshop my way into the image. Let me know how to get hold of it when done. Just wish I could be there as well… Peter On May 23, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Steve Peerman wrote: Hi all! The last I heard, we had 112 people signed up for the 50th Anniversary celebration! It will be fantastic to see everyone. One thing to let everyone know, is that Pete Lindsley has agreed to take a panoramic photo of the group on the Quad at Fort Stanton just prior to the dinner at 6 pm. So as everyone gathers near the cafeteria for the dinner, around 5:45 or so, please plan on being part of this historic photo. If we can gather everyone together, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to get the photo done. See you there! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[Texascavers] Western cavers party in the Southeast
The Birmingham (Al) Grotto recently hosted a western -themed meeting of the Southeastern Regional Association of the NSS. I thought you Texas folks might enjoy seeing our take on the West. Lots of pictures at :http://www.spelunkologists.com/Sera2012/index.htm. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Bat Flight
A new study has determined that bats save energy when they fly by folding in their wings on the upstroke: http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2012/04/foldflap Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
how about we just bing our head lamps...that way when we walk into a wall will still be ok (smrik) From: wcwal...@zianet.com To: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:38:24 -0600 CC: s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Strange - last year when we had the Fort Stanton Live military ball there all the lights worked and there have been no major functions since then. The friends group has a bunch of oil lanterns if those would help. - Original Message - From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM To: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
Steve, I think we have a couple of portable lights in the garage - Dorothy is off tomorrow, so we will take a look. Regards, John -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
We could all eat dinner and listen to speakers with caving helmets and lights. Just joshing. Linda S Hey all, I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! It should be up on the web as soon as I dropbox the PDF to Pete and Jen for the web site. Then, I go to the printer to see what it will cost to print 100 copies or so and I'll report that at the meeting. Thanks to Pete L., Steve F., and Carol B. for reviewing so carefully. Linda Starr On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:38 PM, wcwal...@zianet.com wrote: I have a 500 and 250 watt work lights that could be used. I'll bring them in case along with some extension cards. Wayne Steve Peerman writes: Hi all, We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining area of the cafeteria are not working. We're working on trying to resolve the problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting. If any of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, it might be useful. How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. __**_ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/**listinfo/swr_caver.nethttp://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net __**_ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/**listinfo/swr_caver.nethttp://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration
On 05/23/2012 17:38, Linda Starr wrote: I'm so happy; the *book *(112 pages plus covers) is finished! Yay! ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
RE: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
We have deterrents in place like chickens and a cat but they still come into our territory. Drawn no doubt by the abundant food and water. We gave the last snake a three strikes policy and after being hosed down and chased off twice it came back onto our front porch where it was dispatched. I would have relocated it were i home at the time but Alia did what she could. So far the rest have been more respectful of our boundaries. I say live and let live. They keep the mice down for us and that counts for something. Wes~ List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:06 -0700 From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com To: o...@texascavers.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us; jennyh...@anthonytravel.com; bbat...@gmail.com; sashm...@sbcglobal.net; samashm...@sbcglobal.net; sdear...@townandcountryins.com; hea...@satx.rr.com; kittymr...@aol.com; janjanj...@aol.com; jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us; j_e_wag...@comcast.net; ka...@karenashmore.com; badba...@sbcglobal.net; r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes Rattlesnake conservation is a tough row to hoe, period. Not a lot of fondness on the part of the general public for a creature that the Book tells us is the definition of evil. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Tue, 5/22/12, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com, TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com, 'Mandy Holt' mandy.h...@ers.state.tx.us, 'Jenny Holt' jennyh...@anthonytravel.com, 'bbat...@gmail.com' bbat...@gmail.com, 'Steve Ashmore' sashm...@sbcglobal.net, 'Sam Ashmore' samashm...@sbcglobal.net, Sally Dearing sdear...@townandcountryins.com, 'Guy Heath' hea...@satx.rr.com, 'June Levy' kittymr...@aol.com, 'Janice Vieira' janjanj...@aol.com, 'Jim Sherwin' jim.sher...@ers.state.tx.us, 'James E. Wagner' j_e_wag...@comcast.net, 'Karen Ashmore' ka...@karenashmore.com, 'Debra Batts' badba...@sbcglobal.net, 'r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net' r_isaac...@sbcglobal.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 10:44 AM I don’t share my good friend’s feelings about rattlesnakes as I like and am amazed by all snakes and reptiles in general. Being a city dude I took every opportunity to have outdoor adventures and to take my family camping. My daughters and I still enjoy it to this day. We still remove turtles to the relative safety of our highway rights of way. Too many uninformed individuals condemn all snakes due to the lack of public education such as that afforded by BCI for bats. If harmful snakes invade your immediate territory remove them to a distant similar habitat. I consider myself an environmentalist but not so extreme as to place all creatures needs above that of man. There is always a way to satisfy both goals. While I like to see rattlesnakes protected, they should not be placed on the endangered species list unless there is solid evidence that they are in danger of becoming extinct. There is already too much government intervention in our daily lives. I have never been in favor of the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup and other such events even if it did put them on the map for tourists. This is money the town could do without. VIVA LA RATTLESNAKE! Fritz Well, I WILL admit that any rattlesnake who ventures onto MY yard IS endangered! We have an understanding. THEY stay in the wild and do NOT come in MY territory and I will leave them alone. Otherwise, they will go to the great snake heaven in the sky. Jackie Feds Considering Adding Rattlesnakes to ‘Endangered Species List’ to Deny Land Rights Environmental groups have convinced the federal government to propose listing the poisonous eastern diamondback rattlesnake as an endangered species in order to protect the reptile from “human persecution.” “Survival of these snakes in large part depends on whether people continue to persecute them or instead choose to allow these amazing creatures to share the land with us,” Bill Matturro, spokesman for Protect All Living Species, said in welcoming the government’s decision, announced earlier this month. “In the Southeast, we are blessed with a rich natural heritage of animals and plants. All of these species—even the rattlesnakes—should be allowed to exist.” The Fish and Wildlife Service says they are taking comments on listing the snake because environmental groups presented “substantial scientific or commercial information indicating that listing the eastern diamondback rattlesnake may be warranted.”
