[Swr1] Fw: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years
- Original Message - From: Linda Starr To: Bill Bentley Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:03 AM Subject: Fwd: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years Bill, I have been trying to send out the following message to s...@caver.net, but unsuccessfully. Can you please forward it to the region? I asked Pete Lindsley, but he has not yet responded. I noticed that you had sent one for Lee Skinner. Thanks. Did you get your copy at convention? Linda Starr -- Forwarded message -- From: Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM Subject: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years To: Southwestern Region s...@caver.net Southwestern Region Cavers, Hot Off the Press - The SWR 50th Anniversary book, Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years is NOW AVAILABLE. The limited press run will be available only until they are gone. Included inside: a.. Grotto Reports (over last 25 years); b.. SWR and NSS Project Reports c.. Historical Anecdotes (from 1960s exploration team members d.. Cave Science Articles (by top SWR cave-science specialists) e.. Memorials f.. NSS Award Recognition g.. SWR Honorary Members; WUSS Walker Awardees h.. List of SWR members, 1962-2012 Details: 112 pages plus gorgeous front and back covers, full color, glossy, coated paper, $20.00, plus postage handling, $3.00. Your choice of Spiral Binding (we have limited copies of these) or Perfect Binding. We know that you can download your own copy from the region website and print it yourself on-line, but it won't be as nice as the real thing. This was a short press run. So get YOUR copy while they last. We will have copies at the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project, GypKaP, and upcoming regionals, including the Winter Tech in Albuquerque, if you want to wait and avoid the postage fee. Please send your Payment Southwestern Region Treasurer and copy of your e-mail order to: Blake Jordan 6109 Concordia Road NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Send Order (verify payment sent to Blake - check is in the mail) to: SWR 50 Year Book, Linda Starr, lstarr...@gmail.com or 509 Aliso Dr. NE, Albuquerque, NM 87108 Linda will verify by e-mail the mailing date Make sure to include your current, accurate street or PO Box address to mail the 50 Year book; postage will not be insured.
[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink Trip Report
KIWI SINK Trip Report--A digging crew consisting of Don Broussard, Alex Benavente, Gill Ediger, Ernie Garza, Andy Gluesenkamp, Jim Jasek, Mimi Jasek, Terry Raines, and Ron Rutherford removed 10 55-gallon drums of debris from the entrance of Kiwi Sink yesterday, 8 July 2012. Several open voids in the fill under bedrock ceilings were opened to the north and west, heading in the direction of floodwater flow. More work is needed to get us into people-sized passage to the north. A tarp was raised to put some shade on the dig after the morning clouds went away and the sun came out. Just as we were picking up tools the rains began. The next dig will be held on 22 July. Watch for announcements. You can call me at 410-303-1177 if you have a question you think I can answer. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 -0000 Issue 1587
texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 - Issue 1587 Topics (messages 20329 through 20333): Re: Mexican drug wars 20329 by: tom rogers 20330 by: Lyndon Tiu Jill Orr edress 20331 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com Jill's edress 20332 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com Kiwi Sink Trip Report 20333 by: Gill Edigar Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers -Original Message- From: freddie poer Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT To: Mixon Bill Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers. --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article: In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?... I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand? I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand. --Mixon I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico. But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are available over the air. Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW. On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.comwrote: We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers -Original Message- From: freddie poer Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT To: Mixon Bill Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't
[PBSS] PBSS July Meeting
All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday July10th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00 We'll hear some reports from the National Convention and maybe see a few photos as well. Upcoming trips to CCNP caves will be discussed. We also hope to plan trips in August and September. Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net /preThe contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) only.brOnly the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone./pre ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
Re: [PBSS] PBSS July Meeting
All, We have summer school groups all week at the Nature Center, so your secretary will once again be unable to get to Midland. I was really hoping I could share some apres-storm campground pics and tell tales of Convention, Cass Scenic Steam Train, and other adventures, but I guess I'll have to do the post-to-facebook thing. Have fun! Jacqui On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Ormsby, Matthew A wrote: All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday July10th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00 We'll hear some reports from the National Convention and maybe see a few photos as well. Upcoming trips to CCNP caves will be discussed. We also hope to plan trips in August and September. Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net /preThe contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) only.brOnly the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone./pre ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off. Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand. I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comSubject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Maya Calendar Translated!
And the new Mayan translation says.. "Please re-order your new kartum calendar at www.ozotlcalendarclub.com. "A man! All the hype and it was just prehistoric spam! Wa wa w..-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 5, 2012 2:29 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A second archaeological reference has been found to the end date of the Maya calendar. It does not portend any doom and gloom. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-maya-archaeologists-unearth-monument.html http://tulane.edu/news/releases/pr_062812.cfm Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Swr1] Fw: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years
- Original Message - From: Linda Starr To: Bill Bentley Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:03 AM Subject: Fwd: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years Bill, I have been trying to send out the following message to s...@caver.net, but unsuccessfully. Can you please forward it to the region? I asked Pete Lindsley, but he has not yet responded. I noticed that you had sent one for Lee Skinner. Thanks. Did you get your copy at convention? Linda Starr -- Forwarded message -- From: Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM Subject: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years To: Southwestern Region s...@caver.net Southwestern Region Cavers, Hot Off the Press - The SWR 50th Anniversary book, Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years is NOW AVAILABLE. The limited press run will be available only until they are gone. Included inside: a.. Grotto Reports (over last 25 years); b.. SWR and NSS Project Reports c.. Historical Anecdotes (from 1960s exploration team members d.. Cave Science Articles (by top SWR cave-science specialists) e.. Memorials f.. NSS Award Recognition g.. SWR Honorary Members; WUSS Walker Awardees h.. List of SWR members, 1962-2012 Details: 112 pages plus gorgeous front and back covers, full color, glossy, coated paper, $20.00, plus postage handling, $3.00. Your choice of Spiral Binding (we have limited copies of these) or Perfect Binding. We know that you can download your own copy from the region website and print it yourself on-line, but it won't be as nice as the real thing. This was a short press run. So get YOUR copy while they last. We will have copies at the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project, GypKaP, and upcoming regionals, including the Winter Tech in Albuquerque, if you want to wait and avoid the postage fee. Please send your Payment Southwestern Region Treasurer and copy of your e-mail order to: Blake Jordan 6109 Concordia Road NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Send Order (verify payment sent to Blake - check is in the mail) to: SWR 50 Year Book, Linda Starr, lstarr...@gmail.com or 509 Aliso Dr. NE, Albuquerque, NM 87108 Linda will verify by e-mail the mailing date Make sure to include your current, accurate street or PO Box address to mail the 50 Year book; postage will not be insured.
[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink Trip Report
KIWI SINK Trip Report--A digging crew consisting of Don Broussard, Alex Benavente, Gill Ediger, Ernie Garza, Andy Gluesenkamp, Jim Jasek, Mimi Jasek, Terry Raines, and Ron Rutherford removed 10 55-gallon drums of debris from the entrance of Kiwi Sink yesterday, 8 July 2012. Several open voids in the fill under bedrock ceilings were opened to the north and west, heading in the direction of floodwater flow. More work is needed to get us into people-sized passage to the north. A tarp was raised to put some shade on the dig after the morning clouds went away and the sun came out. Just as we were picking up tools the rains began. The next dig will be held on 22 July. Watch for announcements. You can call me at 410-303-1177 if you have a question you think I can answer. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 -0000 Issue 1587
texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 - Issue 1587 Topics (messages 20329 through 20333): Re: Mexican drug wars 20329 by: tom rogers 20330 by: Lyndon Tiu Jill Orr edress 20331 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com Jill's edress 20332 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com Kiwi Sink Trip Report 20333 by: Gill Edigar Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers -Original Message- From: freddie poer Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT To: Mixon Bill Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers. --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article: In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?... I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand? I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand. --Mixon I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico. But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are available over the air. Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW. On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.comwrote: We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers -Original Message- From: freddie poer Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT To: Mixon Bill Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is
[PBSS] PBSS July Meeting
All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday July10th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00 We'll hear some reports from the National Convention and maybe see a few photos as well. Upcoming trips to CCNP caves will be discussed. We also hope to plan trips in August and September. Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net /preThe contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) only.brOnly the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone./pre ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
Re: [PBSS] PBSS July Meeting
All, We have summer school groups all week at the Nature Center, so your secretary will once again be unable to get to Midland. I was really hoping I could share some apres-storm campground pics and tell tales of Convention, Cass Scenic Steam Train, and other adventures, but I guess I'll have to do the post-to-facebook thing. Have fun! Jacqui On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Ormsby, Matthew A wrote: All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday July10th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00 We'll hear some reports from the National Convention and maybe see a few photos as well. Upcoming trips to CCNP caves will be discussed. We also hope to plan trips in August and September. Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net /preThe contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) only.brOnly the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone./pre ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off. Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand. I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comSubject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Maya Calendar Translated!
And the new Mayan translation says.. "Please re-order your new kartum calendar at www.ozotlcalendarclub.com. "A man! All the hype and it was just prehistoric spam! Wa wa w..-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 5, 2012 2:29 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A second archaeological reference has been found to the end date of the Maya calendar. It does not portend any doom and gloom. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-maya-archaeologists-unearth-monument.html http://tulane.edu/news/releases/pr_062812.cfm Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Swr1] Fw: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years
- Original Message - From: Linda Starr To: Bill Bentley Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:03 AM Subject: Fwd: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years Bill, I have been trying to send out the following message to s...@caver.net, but unsuccessfully. Can you please forward it to the region? I asked Pete Lindsley, but he has not yet responded. I noticed that you had sent one for Lee Skinner. Thanks. Did you get your copy at convention? Linda Starr -- Forwarded message -- From: Linda Starr lstarr...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM Subject: NOW: Hot off the Press - Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years To: Southwestern Region s...@caver.net Southwestern Region Cavers, Hot Off the Press - The SWR 50th Anniversary book, Southwestern Region, NSS, 50 Years is NOW AVAILABLE. The limited press run will be available only until they are gone. Included inside: a.. Grotto Reports (over last 25 years); b.. SWR and NSS Project Reports c.. Historical Anecdotes (from 1960s exploration team members d.. Cave Science Articles (by top SWR cave-science specialists) e.. Memorials f.. NSS Award Recognition g.. SWR Honorary Members; WUSS Walker Awardees h.. List of SWR members, 1962-2012 Details: 112 pages plus gorgeous front and back covers, full color, glossy, coated paper, $20.00, plus postage handling, $3.00. Your choice of Spiral Binding (we have limited copies of these) or Perfect Binding. We know that you can download your own copy from the region website and print it yourself on-line, but it won't be as nice as the real thing. This was a short press run. So get YOUR copy while they last. We will have copies at the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project, GypKaP, and upcoming regionals, including the Winter Tech in Albuquerque, if you want to wait and avoid the postage fee. Please send your Payment Southwestern Region Treasurer and copy of your e-mail order to: Blake Jordan 6109 Concordia Road NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Send Order (verify payment sent to Blake - check is in the mail) to: SWR 50 Year Book, Linda Starr, lstarr...@gmail.com or 509 Aliso Dr. NE, Albuquerque, NM 87108 Linda will verify by e-mail the mailing date Make sure to include your current, accurate street or PO Box address to mail the 50 Year book; postage will not be insured.
[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink Trip Report
KIWI SINK Trip Report--A digging crew consisting of Don Broussard, Alex Benavente, Gill Ediger, Ernie Garza, Andy Gluesenkamp, Jim Jasek, Mimi Jasek, Terry Raines, and Ron Rutherford removed 10 55-gallon drums of debris from the entrance of Kiwi Sink yesterday, 8 July 2012. Several open voids in the fill under bedrock ceilings were opened to the north and west, heading in the direction of floodwater flow. More work is needed to get us into people-sized passage to the north. A tarp was raised to put some shade on the dig after the morning clouds went away and the sun came out. Just as we were picking up tools the rains began. The next dig will be held on 22 July. Watch for announcements. You can call me at 410-303-1177 if you have a question you think I can answer. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 -0000 Issue 1587
texascavers Digest 9 Jul 2012 22:02:58 - Issue 1587 Topics (messages 20329 through 20333): Re: Mexican drug wars 20329 by: tom rogers 20330 by: Lyndon Tiu Jill Orr edress 20331 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com Jill's edress 20332 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com Kiwi Sink Trip Report 20333 by: Gill Edigar Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers -Original Message- From: freddie poer Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT To: Mixon Bill Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers. --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article: In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?... I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand? I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand. --Mixon I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works. That's when I wake up. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- US English language mainstream news media do not report much about Mexico. But US Spanish language channels do. Watch them, a dozen or so are available over the air. Oh, these channels are in Spanish BTW. On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 9:01 AM, tom rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.comwrote: We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really happening. I have relatives who live in Europe. They know more about what's going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers -Original Message- From: freddie poer Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT To: Mixon Bill Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is
[PBSS] PBSS July Meeting
All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday July10th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00 We'll hear some reports from the National Convention and maybe see a few photos as well. Upcoming trips to CCNP caves will be discussed. We also hope to plan trips in August and September. Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net /preThe contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) only.brOnly the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone./pre ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
Re: [PBSS] PBSS July Meeting
All, We have summer school groups all week at the Nature Center, so your secretary will once again be unable to get to Midland. I was really hoping I could share some apres-storm campground pics and tell tales of Convention, Cass Scenic Steam Train, and other adventures, but I guess I'll have to do the post-to-facebook thing. Have fun! Jacqui On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Ormsby, Matthew A wrote: All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday July10th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00 We'll hear some reports from the National Convention and maybe see a few photos as well. Upcoming trips to CCNP caves will be discussed. We also hope to plan trips in August and September. Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray patrickray...@yahoo.com PBSS web page: http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society. PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net /preThe contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) only.brOnly the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone./pre ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://just11.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
I guess we could wonder wether this gun is a six shooter or an eight shot all day.But just remember, Russian roulette is 100% safe, unless the gun goes off. Now I haven't really seen anyone actually blow their brains out all over, but in this case I'm willing to accept that its probably not a great idea to find out first hand. I think an appropriate analogy in this case would be the old saying "You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but I'd rather just take the butchers word for it. '"SS-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 7, 2012 7:24 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com wrote: It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comSubject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug warsTo: "Cavers Texas" texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:"In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a "historic bust," in Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?..."I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the "historic" meth-lab raid in Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then was it really fifteen tons of "pure meth," as widely reported? Well, no. There had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, finally said, "Yes, five kilos." Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not "finished product," and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., where meth is often sold by the gram, that amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?"I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.--MixonI'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Maya Calendar Translated!
And the new Mayan translation says.. "Please re-order your new kartum calendar at www.ozotlcalendarclub.com. "A man! All the hype and it was just prehistoric spam! Wa wa w..-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Jul 5, 2012 2:29 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A second archaeological reference has been found to the end date of the Maya calendar. It does not portend any doom and gloom. http://phys.org/news/2012-06-maya-archaeologists-unearth-monument.html http://tulane.edu/news/releases/pr_062812.cfm Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
