[Allcavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate

[R D Milhollin]

Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter 
Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the 
mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the 
center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a 
wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
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[Allcavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate

[R D Milhollin]

Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter 
Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the 
mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the 
center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a 
wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
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[Allcavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate

[R D Milhollin]

Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter 
Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the 
mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the 
center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a 
wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
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Re: [Texascavers] Knee Pads

[Linda Palit]

I like howitzers. On rope carries them.

On Monday, September 10, 2012, Alex Sproul wrote:

> **
> On 10 Sep 2012 at 15:20, James Jasek wrote:
>
> What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of
> clothing.
>
>
>  
> *Crawldaddies*
>
> or
>
> *Dirty 
> Dave's*
>
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *Alex Sproul*
> *NSS 8086RL/FE*
> *NSS Webmaster*
> *www.caves.org* 
>

Re: [Texascavers] Knee Pads

[Linda Palit]

I like howitzers. On rope carries them.

On Monday, September 10, 2012, Alex Sproul wrote:

> **
> On 10 Sep 2012 at 15:20, James Jasek wrote:
>
> What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of
> clothing.
>
>
>  
> *Crawldaddies*
>
> or
>
> *Dirty 
> Dave's*
>
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *Alex Sproul*
> *NSS 8086RL/FE*
> *NSS Webmaster*
> *www.caves.org* 
>

Re: [Texascavers] Knee Pads

[Linda Palit]

I like howitzers. On rope carries them.

On Monday, September 10, 2012, Alex Sproul wrote:

> **
> On 10 Sep 2012 at 15:20, James Jasek wrote:
>
> What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of
> clothing.
>
>
>  
> *Crawldaddies*
>
> or
>
> *Dirty 
> Dave's*
>
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *Alex Sproul*
> *NSS 8086RL/FE*
> *NSS Webmaster*
> *www.caves.org* 
>

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Bill Bentley]

It has been corrected and wasn't the exact spot in the first place Thanks 
to all
Bill
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:

>After reading these emails I found "Ess Cave" with coordinates on Google. I 
>requested directions, and was redirected to maps. I received directions, then 
>followed the link to report inappropriate content. Ess Cave is now listed 
>without coordinates and shows as having been changed four hours ago. I put in 
>a second request for directions and this time I received the "need more 
>information about destination" message.
>
>I don't know if that was the only place a location was listed but the person I 
>found attached to the cave and the coordinates had responded quickly. This 
>might not be the listing Bill was referring to but it was the only one I could 
>find that had a location. 
>
>Lots of pictures, though… 
>
>Jacqui
>
>On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:
>
>> The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave 
>> location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving trips 
>> all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share the 
>> maps but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to see. 
>>  The quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on it) and 
>> get them to make the map private.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
>> Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
>> Cave as well.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems 
>> to Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
>> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
>> quickly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
>> To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> See highlighted in red
>> 
>> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
>> 
>> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged 
>> and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google 
>> has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest 
>> convenience."
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Bill Bentley
>> 
>> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> 
>> From: Ormsby, Matthew A
>> 
>> To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
>> laura.e.l...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>> 
>> Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
>> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
>> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but 
>> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian 
>> Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA 
>> membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on 
>> September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to 
>> attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need 
>> directions please e-mail me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
>> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised 
>> and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
>> Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks 
>> to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send 
>> Google a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts 
>> anything will come of it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am 
>> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also 
>> hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
>> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked 
>> about caves.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
>> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
>> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise 
>> use this message. If received in error, please imme

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Bill Bentley]

It has been corrected and wasn't the exact spot in the first place Thanks 
to all
Bill
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:

>After reading these emails I found "Ess Cave" with coordinates on Google. I 
>requested directions, and was redirected to maps. I received directions, then 
>followed the link to report inappropriate content. Ess Cave is now listed 
>without coordinates and shows as having been changed four hours ago. I put in 
>a second request for directions and this time I received the "need more 
>information about destination" message.
>
>I don't know if that was the only place a location was listed but the person I 
>found attached to the cave and the coordinates had responded quickly. This 
>might not be the listing Bill was referring to but it was the only one I could 
>find that had a location. 
>
>Lots of pictures, though… 
>
>Jacqui
>
>On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:
>
>> The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave 
>> location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving trips 
>> all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share the 
>> maps but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to see. 
>>  The quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on it) and 
>> get them to make the map private.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
>> Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
>> Cave as well.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems 
>> to Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
>> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
>> quickly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
>> To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> See highlighted in red
>> 
>> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
>> 
>> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged 
>> and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google 
>> has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest 
>> convenience."
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Bill Bentley
>> 
>> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> 
>> From: Ormsby, Matthew A
>> 
>> To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
>> laura.e.l...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>> 
>> Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
>> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
>> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but 
>> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian 
>> Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA 
>> membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on 
>> September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to 
>> attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need 
>> directions please e-mail me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
>> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised 
>> and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
>> Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks 
>> to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send 
>> Google a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts 
>> anything will come of it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am 
>> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also 
>> hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
>> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked 
>> about caves.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
>> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
>> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise 
>> use this message. If received in error, please imme

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Bill Bentley]

It has been corrected and wasn't the exact spot in the first place Thanks 
to all
Bill
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:

>After reading these emails I found "Ess Cave" with coordinates on Google. I 
>requested directions, and was redirected to maps. I received directions, then 
>followed the link to report inappropriate content. Ess Cave is now listed 
>without coordinates and shows as having been changed four hours ago. I put in 
>a second request for directions and this time I received the "need more 
>information about destination" message.
>
>I don't know if that was the only place a location was listed but the person I 
>found attached to the cave and the coordinates had responded quickly. This 
>might not be the listing Bill was referring to but it was the only one I could 
>find that had a location. 
>
>Lots of pictures, though… 
>
>Jacqui
>
>On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:
>
>> The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave 
>> location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving trips 
>> all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share the 
>> maps but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to see. 
>>  The quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on it) and 
>> get them to make the map private.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
>> Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
>> Cave as well.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems 
>> to Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
>> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
>> quickly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
>> To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> See highlighted in red
>> 
>> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
>> 
>> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged 
>> and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google 
>> has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest 
>> convenience."
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Bill Bentley
>> 
>> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> 
>> From: Ormsby, Matthew A
>> 
>> To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
>> laura.e.l...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>> 
>> Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
>> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
>> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but 
>> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian 
>> Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA 
>> membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on 
>> September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to 
>> attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need 
>> directions please e-mail me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
>> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised 
>> and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
>> Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks 
>> to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send 
>> Google a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts 
>> anything will come of it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am 
>> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also 
>> hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
>> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked 
>> about caves.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
>> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
>> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise 
>> use this message. If received in error, please imme

[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Jacqueline Thomas]

After reading these emails I found "Ess Cave" with coordinates on Google. I 
requested directions, and was redirected to maps. I received directions, then 
followed the link to report inappropriate content. Ess Cave is now listed 
without coordinates and shows as having been changed four hours ago. I put in a 
second request for directions and this time I received the "need more 
information about destination" message.

I don't know if that was the only place a location was listed but the person I 
found attached to the cave and the coordinates had responded quickly. This 
might not be the listing Bill was referring to but it was the only one I could 
find that had a location. 

Lots of pictures, though… 

Jacqui

On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:

> The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave 
> location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving trips 
> all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share the maps 
> but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to see.  The 
> quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on it) and get 
> them to make the map private.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
> Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
> Cave as well.
> 
>  
> 
> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems to 
> Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
> quickly.
> 
>  
> 
> Kurt
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
> To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
> 
>  
> 
> See highlighted in red
> 
> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
> 
>  
> 
> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
> 
> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged 
> and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google 
> has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest 
> convenience."
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bill Bentley
> 
> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: Ormsby, Matthew A
> 
> To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
> laura.e.l...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
> 
> Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
> 
>  
> 
> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.
> 
>  
> 
> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but 
> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
> Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
> requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 
> 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please 
> make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please 
> e-mail me.
> 
>  
> 
> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
> needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
> Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks 
> to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send 
> Google a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts 
> anything will come of it.
> 
>  
> 
> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am 
> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also 
> hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.
> 
>  
> 
> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked 
> about caves.
> 
>  
> 
> Matthew
> 
> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
> this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
> then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.
> 
> ___
> PBSS mailing list
> p...@caver.net
> http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbss
> ___
>

[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Jacqueline Thomas]

After reading these emails I found "Ess Cave" with coordinates on Google. I 
requested directions, and was redirected to maps. I received directions, then 
followed the link to report inappropriate content. Ess Cave is now listed 
without coordinates and shows as having been changed four hours ago. I put in a 
second request for directions and this time I received the "need more 
information about destination" message.

I don't know if that was the only place a location was listed but the person I 
found attached to the cave and the coordinates had responded quickly. This 
might not be the listing Bill was referring to but it was the only one I could 
find that had a location. 

Lots of pictures, though… 

Jacqui

On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:

> The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave 
> location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving trips 
> all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share the maps 
> but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to see.  The 
> quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on it) and get 
> them to make the map private.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
> Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
> Cave as well.
> 
>  
> 
> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems to 
> Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
> quickly.
> 
>  
> 
> Kurt
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
> To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
> 
>  
> 
> See highlighted in red
> 
> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
> 
>  
> 
> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
> 
> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged 
> and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google 
> has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest 
> convenience."
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bill Bentley
> 
> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: Ormsby, Matthew A
> 
> To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
> laura.e.l...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
> 
> Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
> 
>  
> 
> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.
> 
>  
> 
> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but 
> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
> Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
> requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 
> 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please 
> make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please 
> e-mail me.
> 
>  
> 
> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
> needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
> Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks 
> to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send 
> Google a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts 
> anything will come of it.
> 
>  
> 
> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am 
> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also 
> hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.
> 
>  
> 
> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked 
> about caves.
> 
>  
> 
> Matthew
> 
> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
> this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
> then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.
> 
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Jacqueline Thomas]

After reading these emails I found "Ess Cave" with coordinates on Google. I 
requested directions, and was redirected to maps. I received directions, then 
followed the link to report inappropriate content. Ess Cave is now listed 
without coordinates and shows as having been changed four hours ago. I put in a 
second request for directions and this time I received the "need more 
information about destination" message.

I don't know if that was the only place a location was listed but the person I 
found attached to the cave and the coordinates had responded quickly. This 
might not be the listing Bill was referring to but it was the only one I could 
find that had a location. 

Lots of pictures, though… 

Jacqui

On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:

> The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave 
> location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving trips 
> all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share the maps 
> but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to see.  The 
> quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on it) and get 
> them to make the map private.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
> Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
> Cave as well.
> 
>  
> 
> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems to 
> Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
> quickly.
> 
>  
> 
> Kurt
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
> To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
> 
>  
> 
> See highlighted in red
> 
> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
> 
>  
> 
> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
> 
> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged 
> and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google 
> has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest 
> convenience."
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bill Bentley
> 
> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: Ormsby, Matthew A
> 
> To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
> laura.e.l...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
> 
> Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
> 
>  
> 
> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.
> 
>  
> 
> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but 
> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
> Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
> requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 
> 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please 
> make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please 
> e-mail me.
> 
>  
> 
> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
> needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
> Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks 
> to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send 
> Google a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts 
> anything will come of it.
> 
>  
> 
> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am 
> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also 
> hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.
> 
>  
> 
> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked 
> about caves.
> 
>  
> 
> Matthew
> 
> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
> this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
> then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.
> 
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> http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pbss
> ___
>

[SWR] Sinkhole Conference deadline extension for students only!

[George Veni]

Dear Friends

 

Just a few minutes ago the Sinkhole Conference Organizing Committee decided
to extend the deadline, for abstracts for students only and for student
applications for the Barry F. Beck Sinkhole Conference Student Scholarship,
to the end of September. We have received many excellent abstracts for the
Sinkhole Conference in general, but with lower registration prices plus this
new scholarship, we are trying to encourage as many students as possible to
attend. The Sinkhole Conference is a great way for students considering a
career in cave and karst science to meet potential colleagues and employers,
as well as to learn a great amount of cutting-edge information on karst
environmental management.

 

For more information on the Beck Scholarship, to register for the
conference, and for students to send abstracts and applications, go to
http://www.nckri.org/sinkholeconference2013. Again, the deadline has been
extended only for students through 30 September 2012. If you do not see
these changes on the website, it is because we just made the decision; the
website will be updated soon.

 

George

 

***

 

George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

 

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[SWR] Sinkhole Conference deadline extension for students only!

[George Veni]

Dear Friends

 

Just a few minutes ago the Sinkhole Conference Organizing Committee decided
to extend the deadline, for abstracts for students only and for student
applications for the Barry F. Beck Sinkhole Conference Student Scholarship,
to the end of September. We have received many excellent abstracts for the
Sinkhole Conference in general, but with lower registration prices plus this
new scholarship, we are trying to encourage as many students as possible to
attend. The Sinkhole Conference is a great way for students considering a
career in cave and karst science to meet potential colleagues and employers,
as well as to learn a great amount of cutting-edge information on karst
environmental management.

 

For more information on the Beck Scholarship, to register for the
conference, and for students to send abstracts and applications, go to
http://www.nckri.org/sinkholeconference2013. Again, the deadline has been
extended only for students through 30 September 2012. If you do not see
these changes on the website, it is because we just made the decision; the
website will be updated soon.

 

George

 

***

 

George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

 

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[SWR] Sinkhole Conference deadline extension for students only!

[George Veni]

Dear Friends

 

Just a few minutes ago the Sinkhole Conference Organizing Committee decided
to extend the deadline, for abstracts for students only and for student
applications for the Barry F. Beck Sinkhole Conference Student Scholarship,
to the end of September. We have received many excellent abstracts for the
Sinkhole Conference in general, but with lower registration prices plus this
new scholarship, we are trying to encourage as many students as possible to
attend. The Sinkhole Conference is a great way for students considering a
career in cave and karst science to meet potential colleagues and employers,
as well as to learn a great amount of cutting-edge information on karst
environmental management.

 

For more information on the Beck Scholarship, to register for the
conference, and for students to send abstracts and applications, go to
http://www.nckri.org/sinkholeconference2013. Again, the deadline has been
extended only for students through 30 September 2012. If you do not see
these changes on the website, it is because we just made the decision; the
website will be updated soon.

 

George

 

***

 

George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

 

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texascavers Digest 12 Sep 2012 19:27:13 -0000 Issue 1625

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texascavers Digest 12 Sep 2012 19:27:13 - Issue 1625

Topics (messages 20683 through 20693):

Re: Knee Pads
20683 by: Fofo
20684 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
20685 by: Alex Sproul

Paradise Canyon
20686 by: Kurt L. Menking
20687 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Help wanted for group cave tours at Colorado Bend State Park, October 27th
20688 by: rafal kedzierski

Re: camera questions
20689 by: Geary Schindel

TSS work session
20690 by: Ron Ralph

Re: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
20691 by: Bill Bentley
20692 by: Kurt L. Menking
20693 by: Joe Ranzau

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Dirty Dave's or Crawldaddies.

http://www.dirty-dave.com/
http://crawldaddies.com/

- Fofo

On 10/09/12 13:20, James Jasek wrote:

What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of
clothing.

James Jasek
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---


Get off it!!  We ALL know that no true cavers wear knee pads!! 



DirtDoc--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
On 10 Sep 2012 at 15:20, James Jasek wrote:
What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of 
clothing.

Crawldaddies
or
Dirty Dave's

Alex



--
Alex Sproul
NSS 8086RL/FE
NSS Webmaster
www.caves.org
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
An article in the San Antonio paper says they closed the gates at Medina dam:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Medina-Lake-dam-gates-shut-in-effort-to-keep-some-3854566.php

Check out the pictures and you'll see a large sinkhole that is normally 
underwater.  There is also a very nice shot of Paradise Canyon.

I just talked to the owner of Paradise Canyon and he said the leaks around the 
dams, and the springs along the banks of Paradise Canyon are still flowing very 
well.  The river is clean and clear as always.  See you all at TCR this year.

Kurt
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks for the update on Paradise Canyon, Kurt.

 

FWIW, I think that PC is the best TCR location that I have ever visited
and would like to see it remain there for several years.

 

I haven't been to all 30+ TCR's but, PC is much better than Flat Creek
Ranch, Honeycreek, and the ATV Park we had it at.

 

It's a long drive from Dallas, but, heck, they're all a long way from
Dallas!

 

 

Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Please send a SASE if you'd like a refund!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:13 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon

 

An article in the San Antonio paper says they closed the gates at Medina
dam:

 

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Medina-Lake-dam-gate
s-shut-in-effort-to-keep-some-3854566.php

 

Check out the pictures and you'll see a large sinkhole that is normally
underwater.  There is also a very nice shot of Paradise Canyon.

 

I just talked to the owner of Paradise Canyon and he said the leaks
around the dams, and the springs along the banks of Paradise Canyon are
still flowing very well.  The river is clean and clear as always.  See
you all at TCR this year.

 

Kurt

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

Hi all,

This is Rafal Kedzierski, one of DFW cavers. Recently, I joined Friends of the 
Colorado Bend State Park, 
volunteer group dedicated to helping the park. At the request of the 
park, we are looking to organize several group cave tours for visitors on 
Saturday, October 27th, 
through several of more tour friendly caves, like Circurina, Sweet, Lemons 
Ranch Caves. I'm looking for few good cavers to help with the effort. Knowledge 
of park is helpful but not necessary - I anticipate having at least 2 guides on 
every tour - just interest and caving experience.

Stay at the conference center or caver's camp for the weekend included. I 
anticipate some extracurricular caving activity afterwards as well.

Email me back if interested.

Rafal Kedzierski
  --- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Guys,

Thanks for the advice, I ended up getting a Canon T3i and I'm real happy with 
it.  Used it for a road trip from Oregon, down the California Coast, through 
S.F., to Yosemite, Mono Lake, Bishop, Death Valley, to Vegas and on to 
Flagstaff were we left Aspen.

Got it from B&H Photo and they delivered it in time for the trip.  Just bought 
the camera body as I already had the lens.

Thanks for all the advice.

Geary

From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:28 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Pete Lindsley; James Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-T3-vs-Canon

texascavers Digest 12 Sep 2012 19:27:13 -0000 Issue 1625

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texascavers Digest 12 Sep 2012 19:27:13 - Issue 1625

Topics (messages 20683 through 20693):

Re: Knee Pads
20683 by: Fofo
20684 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
20685 by: Alex Sproul

Paradise Canyon
20686 by: Kurt L. Menking
20687 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Help wanted for group cave tours at Colorado Bend State Park, October 27th
20688 by: rafal kedzierski

Re: camera questions
20689 by: Geary Schindel

TSS work session
20690 by: Ron Ralph

Re: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
20691 by: Bill Bentley
20692 by: Kurt L. Menking
20693 by: Joe Ranzau

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Dirty Dave's or Crawldaddies.

http://www.dirty-dave.com/
http://crawldaddies.com/

- Fofo

On 10/09/12 13:20, James Jasek wrote:

What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of
clothing.

James Jasek
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---


Get off it!!  We ALL know that no true cavers wear knee pads!! 



DirtDoc--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
On 10 Sep 2012 at 15:20, James Jasek wrote:
What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of 
clothing.

Crawldaddies
or
Dirty Dave's

Alex



--
Alex Sproul
NSS 8086RL/FE
NSS Webmaster
www.caves.org
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
An article in the San Antonio paper says they closed the gates at Medina dam:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Medina-Lake-dam-gates-shut-in-effort-to-keep-some-3854566.php

Check out the pictures and you'll see a large sinkhole that is normally 
underwater.  There is also a very nice shot of Paradise Canyon.

I just talked to the owner of Paradise Canyon and he said the leaks around the 
dams, and the springs along the banks of Paradise Canyon are still flowing very 
well.  The river is clean and clear as always.  See you all at TCR this year.

Kurt
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks for the update on Paradise Canyon, Kurt.

 

FWIW, I think that PC is the best TCR location that I have ever visited
and would like to see it remain there for several years.

 

I haven't been to all 30+ TCR's but, PC is much better than Flat Creek
Ranch, Honeycreek, and the ATV Park we had it at.

 

It's a long drive from Dallas, but, heck, they're all a long way from
Dallas!

 

 

Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Please send a SASE if you'd like a refund!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:13 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon

 

An article in the San Antonio paper says they closed the gates at Medina
dam:

 

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Medina-Lake-dam-gate
s-shut-in-effort-to-keep-some-3854566.php

 

Check out the pictures and you'll see a large sinkhole that is normally
underwater.  There is also a very nice shot of Paradise Canyon.

 

I just talked to the owner of Paradise Canyon and he said the leaks
around the dams, and the springs along the banks of Paradise Canyon are
still flowing very well.  The river is clean and clear as always.  See
you all at TCR this year.

 

Kurt

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

Hi all,

This is Rafal Kedzierski, one of DFW cavers. Recently, I joined Friends of the 
Colorado Bend State Park, 
volunteer group dedicated to helping the park. At the request of the 
park, we are looking to organize several group cave tours for visitors on 
Saturday, October 27th, 
through several of more tour friendly caves, like Circurina, Sweet, Lemons 
Ranch Caves. I'm looking for few good cavers to help with the effort. Knowledge 
of park is helpful but not necessary - I anticipate having at least 2 guides on 
every tour - just interest and caving experience.

Stay at the conference center or caver's camp for the weekend included. I 
anticipate some extracurricular caving activity afterwards as well.

Email me back if interested.

Rafal Kedzierski
  --- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Guys,

Thanks for the advice, I ended up getting a Canon T3i and I'm real happy with 
it.  Used it for a road trip from Oregon, down the California Coast, through 
S.F., to Yosemite, Mono Lake, Bishop, Death Valley, to Vegas and on to 
Flagstaff were we left Aspen.

Got it from B&H Photo and they delivered it in time for the trip.  Just bought 
the camera body as I already had the lens.

Thanks for all the advice.

Geary

From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:28 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Pete Lindsley; James Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-T3-vs-Canon

texascavers Digest 12 Sep 2012 19:27:13 -0000 Issue 1625

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texascavers Digest 12 Sep 2012 19:27:13 - Issue 1625

Topics (messages 20683 through 20693):

Re: Knee Pads
20683 by: Fofo
20684 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
20685 by: Alex Sproul

Paradise Canyon
20686 by: Kurt L. Menking
20687 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Help wanted for group cave tours at Colorado Bend State Park, October 27th
20688 by: rafal kedzierski

Re: camera questions
20689 by: Geary Schindel

TSS work session
20690 by: Ron Ralph

Re: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
20691 by: Bill Bentley
20692 by: Kurt L. Menking
20693 by: Joe Ranzau

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--- Begin Message ---

Dirty Dave's or Crawldaddies.

http://www.dirty-dave.com/
http://crawldaddies.com/

- Fofo

On 10/09/12 13:20, James Jasek wrote:

What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of
clothing.

James Jasek
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---


Get off it!!  We ALL know that no true cavers wear knee pads!! 



DirtDoc--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
On 10 Sep 2012 at 15:20, James Jasek wrote:
What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of 
clothing.

Crawldaddies
or
Dirty Dave's

Alex



--
Alex Sproul
NSS 8086RL/FE
NSS Webmaster
www.caves.org
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
An article in the San Antonio paper says they closed the gates at Medina dam:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Medina-Lake-dam-gates-shut-in-effort-to-keep-some-3854566.php

Check out the pictures and you'll see a large sinkhole that is normally 
underwater.  There is also a very nice shot of Paradise Canyon.

I just talked to the owner of Paradise Canyon and he said the leaks around the 
dams, and the springs along the banks of Paradise Canyon are still flowing very 
well.  The river is clean and clear as always.  See you all at TCR this year.

Kurt
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks for the update on Paradise Canyon, Kurt.

 

FWIW, I think that PC is the best TCR location that I have ever visited
and would like to see it remain there for several years.

 

I haven't been to all 30+ TCR's but, PC is much better than Flat Creek
Ranch, Honeycreek, and the ATV Park we had it at.

 

It's a long drive from Dallas, but, heck, they're all a long way from
Dallas!

 

 

Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Please send a SASE if you'd like a refund!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: Kurt L. Menking [mailto:gi...@bcad.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:13 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon

 

An article in the San Antonio paper says they closed the gates at Medina
dam:

 

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Medina-Lake-dam-gate
s-shut-in-effort-to-keep-some-3854566.php

 

Check out the pictures and you'll see a large sinkhole that is normally
underwater.  There is also a very nice shot of Paradise Canyon.

 

I just talked to the owner of Paradise Canyon and he said the leaks
around the dams, and the springs along the banks of Paradise Canyon are
still flowing very well.  The river is clean and clear as always.  See
you all at TCR this year.

 

Kurt

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

Hi all,

This is Rafal Kedzierski, one of DFW cavers. Recently, I joined Friends of the 
Colorado Bend State Park, 
volunteer group dedicated to helping the park. At the request of the 
park, we are looking to organize several group cave tours for visitors on 
Saturday, October 27th, 
through several of more tour friendly caves, like Circurina, Sweet, Lemons 
Ranch Caves. I'm looking for few good cavers to help with the effort. Knowledge 
of park is helpful but not necessary - I anticipate having at least 2 guides on 
every tour - just interest and caving experience.

Stay at the conference center or caver's camp for the weekend included. I 
anticipate some extracurricular caving activity afterwards as well.

Email me back if interested.

Rafal Kedzierski
  --- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Guys,

Thanks for the advice, I ended up getting a Canon T3i and I'm real happy with 
it.  Used it for a road trip from Oregon, down the California Coast, through 
S.F., to Yosemite, Mono Lake, Bishop, Death Valley, to Vegas and on to 
Flagstaff were we left Aspen.

Got it from B&H Photo and they delivered it in time for the trip.  Just bought 
the camera body as I already had the lens.

Thanks for all the advice.

Geary

From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com]
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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Joe Ranzau]

The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave
location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving
trips all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share
the maps but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to
see.  The quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on
it) and get them to make the map private.

Joe

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

>  Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding
> Ess Cave as well.
>
> ** **
>
> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems
> to Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very
> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded
> quickly.
>
> ** **
>
> Kurt
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
> *To:* Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
>
>  
>
> See highlighted in* red*
>
> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
>
>  
>
> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
>
> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been
> damaged and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone
> and Google has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your
> earliest convenience." 
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bill Bentley 
>
> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* Ormsby, Matthew A  
>
> *To:* p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ;
> laura.e.l...@gmail.com 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>
> *Subject:* [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>
> ** **
>
> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony
> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry
> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem. *
> ***
>
>  
>
> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but
> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.*
> ***
>
>  
>
> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian
> Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA
> membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be
> on September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to
> attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need
> directions please e-mail me.
>
>  
>
> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill
> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised
> and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job.
> *Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location.
> Thanks to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going
> to send Google a request that the location be removed from its map but
> doubts anything will come of it.* 
>
>  
>
> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am
> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I
> also hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after
> Thanksgiving.
>
>  
>
> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in
> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked
> about caves.
>
>  
>
> Matthew
>
> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are
> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s)
> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise
> use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the
> sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to
> anyone.
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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Joe Ranzau]

The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave
location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving
trips all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share
the maps but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to
see.  The quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on
it) and get them to make the map private.

Joe

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

>  Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding
> Ess Cave as well.
>
> ** **
>
> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems
> to Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very
> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded
> quickly.
>
> ** **
>
> Kurt
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
> *To:* Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
>
>  
>
> See highlighted in* red*
>
> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
>
>  
>
> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
>
> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been
> damaged and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone
> and Google has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your
> earliest convenience." 
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bill Bentley 
>
> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* Ormsby, Matthew A  
>
> *To:* p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ;
> laura.e.l...@gmail.com 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>
> *Subject:* [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>
> ** **
>
> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony
> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry
> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem. *
> ***
>
>  
>
> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but
> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.*
> ***
>
>  
>
> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian
> Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA
> membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be
> on September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to
> attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need
> directions please e-mail me.
>
>  
>
> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill
> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised
> and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job.
> *Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location.
> Thanks to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going
> to send Google a request that the location be removed from its map but
> doubts anything will come of it.* 
>
>  
>
> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am
> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I
> also hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after
> Thanksgiving.
>
>  
>
> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in
> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked
> about caves.
>
>  
>
> Matthew
>
> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are
> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s)
> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise
> use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the
> sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to
> anyone.
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>
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>

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Joe Ranzau]

The issue I saw is that someone made a custom google map with the cave
location and left it public.  I use the custom maps for work or caving
trips all the time.  The key is to make them private.  You can still share
the maps but your locations and what not will not show up for the public to
see.  The quickest resolution might be to find the map owner (Bill is on
it) and get them to make the map private.

Joe

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

>  Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding
> Ess Cave as well.
>
> ** **
>
> I know several us GIS’ers locally have submitted errors and other problems
> to Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very
> responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded
> quickly.
>
> ** **
>
> Kurt
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
> *To:* Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?
>
>  
>
> See highlighted in* red*
>
> My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.
>
>  
>
> This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
>
> "Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been
> damaged and vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone
> and Google has allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your
> earliest convenience." 
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bill Bentley 
>
> Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* Ormsby, Matthew A  
>
> *To:* p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ;
> laura.e.l...@gmail.com 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
>
> *Subject:* [PBSS] September Meeting Notes
>
> ** **
>
> The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony
> Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry
> Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem. *
> ***
>
>  
>
> A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but
> last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.*
> ***
>
>  
>
> Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian
> Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA
> membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be
> on September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to
> attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need
> directions please e-mail me.
>
>  
>
> I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill
> recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised
> and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job.
> *Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location.
> Thanks to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going
> to send Google a request that the location be removed from its map but
> doubts anything will come of it.* 
>
>  
>
> The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am
> tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I
> also hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after
> Thanksgiving.
>
>  
>
> The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in
> Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked
> about caves.
>
>  
>
> Matthew
>
> The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are
> confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s)
> only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise
> use this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the
> sender and then delete this message without disclosing its contents to
> anyone.
>  --
>
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>

RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Kurt L. Menking]

Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
Cave as well.

I know several us GIS'ers locally have submitted errors and other problems to 
Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
quickly.

Kurt

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?

See highlighted in red
My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.

This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
"Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged and 
vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google has 
allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest convenience."
Sincerely,
Bill Bentley
Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
- Original Message -
From: Ormsby, Matthew A
To: p...@caver.net ; 
s...@caver.net ; 
geulves...@gmail.com ; 
laura.e.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.

A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but last 
months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.

Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 22. 
Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please make 
sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please e-mail 
me.

I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks to 
Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send Google 
a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts anything will 
come of it.

The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am tentatively 
looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also hope to get 
permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.

The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked about 
caves.

Matthew

The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.


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RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Kurt L. Menking]

Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
Cave as well.

I know several us GIS'ers locally have submitted errors and other problems to 
Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
quickly.

Kurt

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?

See highlighted in red
My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.

This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
"Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged and 
vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google has 
allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest convenience."
Sincerely,
Bill Bentley
Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
- Original Message -
From: Ormsby, Matthew A
To: p...@caver.net ; 
s...@caver.net ; 
geulves...@gmail.com ; 
laura.e.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.

A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but last 
months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.

Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 22. 
Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please make 
sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please e-mail 
me.

I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks to 
Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send Google 
a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts anything will 
come of it.

The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am tentatively 
looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also hope to get 
permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.

The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked about 
caves.

Matthew

The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.


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RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Kurt L. Menking]

Just for the sake of multiple complaints, I reported a problem regarding Ess 
Cave as well.

I know several us GIS'ers locally have submitted errors and other problems to 
Google maps over the past few years.  By in large they have been very 
responsive, and have in every instance resolved the issue, and responded 
quickly.

Kurt

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:46 AM
To: Texascavers Mailing List; s...@caver.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?

See highlighted in red
My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.

This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
"Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged and 
vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google has 
allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest convenience."
Sincerely,
Bill Bentley
Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
- Original Message -
From: Ormsby, Matthew A
To: p...@caver.net ; 
s...@caver.net ; 
geulves...@gmail.com ; 
laura.e.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem.

A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but last 
months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.

Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 22. 
Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please make 
sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please e-mail 
me.

I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks to 
Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send Google 
a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts anything will 
come of it.

The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am tentatively 
looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also hope to get 
permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.

The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked about 
caves.

Matthew

The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.


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[Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Bill Bentley]

Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?

See highlighted in red
My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.

This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
"Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged and 
vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google has 
allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest convenience." 
Sincerely,

Bill Bentley 

Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society

- Original Message - 

From: Ormsby, Matthew A 
To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
laura.e.l...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes


The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem. 

A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but last 
months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.

Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 22. 
Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please make 
sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please e-mail 
me.

I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks to 
Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send Google 
a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts anything will 
come of it. 

The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am tentatively 
looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also hope to get 
permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.

The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked about 
caves.

Matthew
The contents of this electronic mail message and any attachments are 
confidential, possibly privileged and intended for the addressee(s) 
only.Only the addressee(s) may read, disseminate, retain or otherwise use 
this message. If received in error, please immediately inform the sender and 
then delete this message without disclosing its contents to anyone.






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[Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Bill Bentley]

Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?

See highlighted in red
My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.

This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
"Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged and 
vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google has 
allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest convenience." 
Sincerely,

Bill Bentley 

Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society

- Original Message - 

From: Ormsby, Matthew A 
To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net ; geulves...@gmail.com ; 
laura.e.l...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes


The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem. 

A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but last 
months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.

Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 22. 
Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please make 
sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please e-mail 
me.

I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks to 
Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send Google 
a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts anything will 
come of it. 

The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am tentatively 
looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also hope to get 
permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.

The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked about 
caves.

Matthew
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[Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Bill Bentley]

Anyone know how to get Google to get this link off the Web?

See highlighted in red
My attempt to contact Google have gone no where.

This is what I wrote to Google in the report a problem section:
"Cave Locations should never be made public. This cave has now been damaged and 
vandalized as a result of this thoughtless action by someone and Google has 
allowed that to happen. Please remove this link at your earliest convenience." 
Sincerely,

Bill Bentley 

Past President of the Permian Basin Speleological Society

- Original Message - 

From: Ormsby, Matthew A 
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laura.e.l...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:50 AM
Subject: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes


The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley, Tony 
Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by Kerry 
Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura Liem. 

A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance but last 
months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since then.

Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian Basin 
Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA membership 
requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will be on September 22. 
Any interested PBSS member are invited and encouraged to attend, please make 
sure your TCMA membership is up to date. If you need directions please e-mail 
me.

I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill 
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been compromised and 
needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been recommended for the job. 
Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone who knows its location. Thanks to 
Google anyone that searches Ess Cave can find it. Bill is going to send Google 
a request that the location be removed from its map but doubts anything will 
come of it. 

The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am tentatively 
looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I also hope to get 
permits to the TCMA preserve in November after Thanksgiving.

The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had in 
Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably talked about 
caves.

Matthew
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[Texascavers] TSS work session

[Ron Ralph]

Cavers,

 

There will be the usual gathering at the TSS office to file and look at maps
this evening. Let me know if you need directions or other information.

 

Ron

[Texascavers] TSS work session

[Ron Ralph]

Cavers,

 

There will be the usual gathering at the TSS office to file and look at maps
this evening. Let me know if you need directions or other information.

 

Ron

[Texascavers] TSS work session

[Ron Ralph]

Cavers,

 

There will be the usual gathering at the TSS office to file and look at maps
this evening. Let me know if you need directions or other information.

 

Ron

[PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Ormsby, Matthew A]

The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley,
Tony Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by
Kerry Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura
Liem. 
 
A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance
but last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since
then.
 
Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian
Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA
membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will
be on September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and
encouraged to attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to
date. If you need directions please e-mail me.
 
I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been
compromised and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been
recommended for the job. Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone
who knows its location. Thanks to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave
can find it. Bill is going to send Google a request that the location be
removed from its map but doubts anything will come of it. 
 
The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am
tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I
also hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after
Thanksgiving.
 
The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had
in Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably
talked about caves.
 
Matthew
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[PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Ormsby, Matthew A]

The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley,
Tony Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by
Kerry Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura
Liem. 
 
A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance
but last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since
then.
 
Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian
Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA
membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will
be on September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and
encouraged to attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to
date. If you need directions please e-mail me.
 
I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been
compromised and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been
recommended for the job. Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone
who knows its location. Thanks to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave
can find it. Bill is going to send Google a request that the location be
removed from its map but doubts anything will come of it. 
 
The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am
tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I
also hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after
Thanksgiving.
 
The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had
in Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably
talked about caves.
 
Matthew
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[PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Ormsby, Matthew A]

The September Meeting of the PBSS began at 7:00pm with Bill Bentley,
Tony Abernathy and Matthew Ormsby in attendance. We were later joined by
Kerry Lowery, Patrick Ray and two of his friends Erik Ulrestad and Laura
Liem. 
 
A financial Report was not given because Walter was not in attendance
but last months report was 800.79 and there have been no expenses since
then.
 
Bill gave a report about the upcoming Amazing Maze trip for the Permian
Basin Outdoor Club led by the PBSS. Emphasis was added regarding TCMA
membership requirements. The PBOC meets next Tuesday and the trip will
be on September 22. Any interested PBSS member are invited and
encouraged to attend, please make sure your TCMA membership is up to
date. If you need directions please e-mail me.
 
I gave a brief report about a trip to Ess Cave this past Saturday. Bill
recommended I mention in this remailer that the gate has been
compromised and needs to be repaired. Barry and Mike have been
recommended for the job. Currently, the cave can be accessed by anyone
who knows its location. Thanks to Google anyone that searches Ess Cave
can find it. Bill is going to send Google a request that the location be
removed from its map but doubts anything will come of it. 
 
The TCMA reunion will be on October 20-21 at Paradise Canyon. I am
tentatively looking at getting permits to park caves on October 27th. I
also hope to get permits to the TCMA preserve in November after
Thanksgiving.
 
The meeting was officially closed at 7:25 because of a commitment I had
in Odessa at 8:00 but most everyone else stayed and ate and probably
talked about caves.
 
Matthew
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RE: [Texascavers] camera questions

[Geary Schindel]

Guys,

Thanks for the advice, I ended up getting a Canon T3i and I'm real happy with 
it.  Used it for a road trip from Oregon, down the California Coast, through 
S.F., to Yosemite, Mono Lake, Bishop, Death Valley, to Vegas and on to 
Flagstaff were we left Aspen.

Got it from B&H Photo and they delivered it in time for the trip.  Just bought 
the camera body as I already had the lens.

Thanks for all the advice.

Geary

From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:28 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Pete Lindsley; James Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-T3-vs-Canon-T3i
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
So, what are the advantages of a Canon T3 verses T3i.

It's not clear from the descriptions.

Geary

From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Pete Lindsley
Cc: Geary Schindel; 
texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

B&H is good  Amazon is good too.

Allan

Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Pete Lindsley 
mailto:caverp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better prices, but 
these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it means you will get 
your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from them for several decades. 
Almost all the others I have considered were liars, and probably crooks. I am 
sure there are many other good ones out there, but follow your friends 
recommendations.

 - Pete

On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:

Pete,

Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on the 
web.

G

RE: [Texascavers] camera questions

[Geary Schindel]

Guys,

Thanks for the advice, I ended up getting a Canon T3i and I'm real happy with 
it.  Used it for a road trip from Oregon, down the California Coast, through 
S.F., to Yosemite, Mono Lake, Bishop, Death Valley, to Vegas and on to 
Flagstaff were we left Aspen.

Got it from B&H Photo and they delivered it in time for the trip.  Just bought 
the camera body as I already had the lens.

Thanks for all the advice.

Geary

From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:28 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Pete Lindsley; James Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-T3-vs-Canon-T3i
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
So, what are the advantages of a Canon T3 verses T3i.

It's not clear from the descriptions.

Geary

From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Pete Lindsley
Cc: Geary Schindel; 
texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

B&H is good  Amazon is good too.

Allan

Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Pete Lindsley 
mailto:caverp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better prices, but 
these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it means you will get 
your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from them for several decades. 
Almost all the others I have considered were liars, and probably crooks. I am 
sure there are many other good ones out there, but follow your friends 
recommendations.

 - Pete

On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:

Pete,

Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on the 
web.

G

RE: [Texascavers] camera questions

[Geary Schindel]

Guys,

Thanks for the advice, I ended up getting a Canon T3i and I'm real happy with 
it.  Used it for a road trip from Oregon, down the California Coast, through 
S.F., to Yosemite, Mono Lake, Bishop, Death Valley, to Vegas and on to 
Flagstaff were we left Aspen.

Got it from B&H Photo and they delivered it in time for the trip.  Just bought 
the camera body as I already had the lens.

Thanks for all the advice.

Geary

From: George D. Nincehelser [mailto:george.nincehel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:28 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Pete Lindsley; James Jasek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-T3-vs-Canon-T3i
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
So, what are the advantages of a Canon T3 verses T3i.

It's not clear from the descriptions.

Geary

From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:24 PM
To: Pete Lindsley
Cc: Geary Schindel; 
texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] camera questions

B&H is good  Amazon is good too.

Allan

Sent with my fat thumbs on my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Pete Lindsley 
mailto:caverp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Only one. [http://www.bhphotovideo.com/] Others may have better prices, but 
these guys have the stock and when your card is charged it means you will get 
your stuff in a few days. I have been buying from them for several decades. 
Almost all the others I have considered were liars, and probably crooks. I am 
sure there are many other good ones out there, but follow your friends 
recommendations.

 - Pete

On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:

Pete,

Thanks, have any recommendations on places to buy and not buy cameras on the 
web.

G