Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
I know Rayovac will replace your batteries ;-) Not sure about Princeton. Yeah, never leave batts inside your lights when not in use. On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Mallory via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
Mallory, I have successfully replaced PT lights that were damaged by battery leakage, though I think I tried to clean them up first to see if that revived them. Sometimes if the corrosion isn't too bad, they will work again if you're persistent with a Q-tip, some toothpicks and some rubbing alcohol. Serious rust is a different matter. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Mallory via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:56 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
I can't speak directly to the corrosion warranty problem but I can tell you that they have been cooperative in sending replacement parts for the poorly engineered and prone to crack battery compartment doors on their *FUEL* headlamps. Call 1-800-257-9080 and talk to them about your problem. I wouldn't expect PT to be especially sympathetic about your failure to monitor battery condition but you never know. ===Carl Kunath -Original Message- From: Mallory via Texascavers Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:56 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
Doesn't hurt to try. -- Lyndon Tiu On Dec 4, 2014 11:56 PM, Mallory via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
I never call Princeton Tec. I just mail the broken lights in. Unfortunately, the lights break *a lot*. Fortunately, they've replaced every single one without question. Dale On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Doesn't hurt to try. -- Lyndon Tiu On Dec 4, 2014 11:56 PM, Mallory via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
I have successfully removed corrosion with vinegar by dismantling and soaking. Not PT per se, but on a couple of lost cause lights. --Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Mallory, I have successfully replaced PT lights that were damaged by battery leakage, though I think I tried to clean them up first to see if that revived them. Sometimes if the corrosion isn't too bad, they will work again if you're persistent with a Q-tip, some toothpicks and some rubbing alcohol. Serious rust is a different matter. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Mallory via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:56 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
A word of caution when using acids around circuit boards and connections. Acids can promote corrosion. Rinse with a baking soda solution to neutralize the acid. Some people use a silicone RTV in their caving lights and flashes. Smell it first. If it has a smell of vinegar (Acetic Acid) do not use it on electronic connections. Dow Corning makes a RTV #3140 that is safe to use. Personally I use a thin coating of silicone grease also made by Dow Corning, called Compound 4. It keeps corrosion from starting by preventing moisture from getting to the metal conductors. It is made for switches and connectors so it does not insulate the electrical path. If anyone needs a small amount let me know. Steve Gutting On Dec 5, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have successfully removed corrosion with vinegar by dismantling and soaking. Not PT per se, but on a couple of lost cause lights. --Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Mallory, I have successfully replaced PT lights that were damaged by battery leakage, though I think I tried to clean them up first to see if that revived them. Sometimes if the corrosion isn't too bad, they will work again if you're persistent with a Q-tip, some toothpicks and some rubbing alcohol. Serious rust is a different matter. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Mallory via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:56 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
Agreed. I was speaking specifically about battery connections and springs, which I pull out completely and soak, then rinse. I've resurrected several lost causes this way. --Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Steve's IPhone via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: A word of caution when using acids around circuit boards and connections. Acids can promote corrosion. Rinse with a baking soda solution to neutralize the acid. Some people use a silicone RTV in their caving lights and flashes. Smell it first. If it has a smell of vinegar (Acetic Acid) do not use it on electronic connections. Dow Corning makes a RTV #3140 that is safe to use. Personally I use a thin coating of silicone grease also made by Dow Corning, called Compound 4. It keeps corrosion from starting by preventing moisture from getting to the metal conductors. It is made for switches and connectors so it does not insulate the electrical path. If anyone needs a small amount let me know. Steve Gutting On Dec 5, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I have successfully removed corrosion with vinegar by dismantling and soaking. Not PT per se, but on a couple of lost cause lights. --Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Mallory, I have successfully replaced PT lights that were damaged by battery leakage, though I think I tried to clean them up first to see if that revived them. Sometimes if the corrosion isn't too bad, they will work again if you're persistent with a Q-tip, some toothpicks and some rubbing alcohol. Serious rust is a different matter. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] on behalf of Mallory via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:56 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question Does anyone know if Princeton tecs warranty is rendered null and void if there's evidence of corrosion inside the battery pack? I apparently put rayovac brand batteries in my backup apex Tec some time ago, they leaked, battery connectors got corroded and now my light isn't working. :( it's not a huge deal, since I have better lights (thanks, Lee Jay!) but I sure would like to get it fixed for the cost of shipping if that's an option. Any advice or input is appreciated! Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
What's the difference between this stuff and Dielectric grease? --Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Steve's IPhone via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Personally I use a thin coating of silicone grease also made by Dow Corning, called Compound 4. It keeps corrosion from starting ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec warranty question
I am not sure, but I would imagine the viscosity would be a consideration. Purity compared to broad category of dielectric greases might be another factor. OTOH *anything* is better than corrosion! ;-) On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: What's the difference between this stuff and Dielectric grease? --Don On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Steve's IPhone via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Personally I use a thin coating of silicone grease also made by Dow Corning, called Compound 4. It keeps corrosion from starting ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] An interesting new video-clip
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[Texascavers] Austin Caverns
The City of Austin - Watershed Cave Team is trying to put together a report about Austin Caverns, and we'd like some input from cavers who've actually been in there! Big questions are: Is the north part horizontal, how high are the ceilings, etc.. Also are there cavers interested in an effort to preserve the cave if lots to the entrance were acquired? Is this cave worth messing with or is it too unstable? But really, any information we can get from people who've actually been in the cave, would be super helpful. If we can get the report sent in on time, we have a good shot at getting permission to work on the cave, which means volunteer opportunities for you, yes YOU! to come and be instrumental in getting Austin Caverns back open! Please contact me off-list if you have been to the cave and can lend some insight! trog...@cavechat.org -Heather Tucek -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Sometime in 1993, I think, I convinced some Aggie Cavers to dig in the cave. We called it Project R.A.C.K. (Restoration of Austin Caverns and Karst ) We rented a Uhaul trailer and tied a bucket and pulley to the tree next to the entrance. We filled up the trailer with dirt. They all thought I was crazy, but I was going on the best information I had at the time. They mutined on me. I returned solo twice I think after several failed bids to keep the project alive. I realized it was futile, and gave up. I did make a faithful effort to invite cavers I knew to come. This was before I had email, I think, so I remember doing lots of cold calling. I only crawled a few feet into the cave. The ground around the culvert under the street was a void and it appeared to be on the verge of collapsing. At least one other storm sewer nearby drain into the cave, as I got an ice-chest of cold water dumped on me by a resident while digging. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
heather, katie again
I was actually IN Austin caverns not too long before the washout/closing. That
old map reflects areas that are completely silted shut to the depth of feet,
and the big water pipe in it was being washed under. Main drop in about half
of goat cave (manhole). Stoop passage on top of the silt. And i KNOW that
william thinks it can’t be excavated again, or did. It’s dicey, actually kind
of scary. and it can’t have gotten better with the apartment house runoff
going into the storm drain. Let me know if you want william to call you
tomorrow, and what time/number.
Katie
On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
The City of Austin - Watershed Cave Team is trying to put together a report
about Austin Caverns, and we'd like some input from cavers who've actually been
in there! Big questions are: Is the north part horizontal, how high are the
ceilings, etc.. Also are there cavers interested in an effort to preserve the
cave if lots to the entrance were acquired? Is this cave worth messing with or
is it too unstable?
But really, any information we can get from people who've actually been in the
cave, would be super helpful. If we can get the report sent in on time, we have
a good shot at getting permission to work on the cave, which means volunteer
opportunities for you, yes YOU! to come and be instrumental in getting Austin
Caverns back open!
Please contact me off-list if you have been to the cave and can lend some
insight!
trog...@cavechat.orgmailto:trog...@cavechat.org
-Heather Tucek
--
Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
TSA Secretary Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
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