Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true apology for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit where credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a defunct Cvr even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve accolades, not the editor. Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of a TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr work. You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just putting on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs required by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others before you. The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some years to create an organization that brought the various caving groups together, made them want to contribute to the greater good, and create one of the best caving publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has been increasingly squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask me what difference the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the inability to get a TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in informing the membership of the situation, and the type of response I have received from you for voicing disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it difficult. And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part of our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit and applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to want to put into their work. This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're watching. Jerry Atkinson. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers wrote: > Wow Jerry. Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who > has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers > positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with > something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts > off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that > people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just > to make you focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that > most people don't know about (yet don't get help finding). > > Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. > > > -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. > > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers > wrote: > >> I am in awe. >> >> Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to >> return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that >> "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the >> municipality of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands >> >> I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly >> all these years. And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of >> some unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least >> there were photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike >> most of the other articles. >> >> I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put >> forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles >> in the future despite this issue. >> >> Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before >> TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !" If the polished trappings >> and fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, >> proofreading, and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox >> copies with corner staples that are timely and actually appear to have been >> published by an organization that gave a hoot. >> >> Jerry Atkinson. >> >> >> -Original Message- >>
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
Wow Jerry. Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just to make you focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that most people don't know about (yet don't get help finding). Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. > On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers > wrote: > > I am in awe. > > Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to > return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that > "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the municipality > of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands > > I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly > all these years. And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of some > unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least there were > photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike most of the > other articles. > > I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put > forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles > in the future despite this issue. > > Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before > TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !" If the polished trappings and > fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, proofreading, > and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox copies with corner > staples that are timely and actually appear to have been published by an > organization that gave a hoot. > > Jerry Atkinson. > > > -Original Message- > From: Ellie Falgout > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm > Subject: Texas Caver Magazine Ready > > TSA Members, > > The long awaited Texas Caver Magazine is printed and also available online in > the members area http://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php. I am bringing > the printed magazines to TCR tonight and will have them at the Friday Wine > Tasting and from then on I will probably leave them at registration. The > magazines will finally be available at the TSA members meeting on Sunday, > October 16th at 9am. I will mail any magazines that remain after TCR. > > Thanks to Jill for all your hard work on the magazine. Thanks to Linda Palit > and Niki Lake for helping get the magazine ready from the printer. > > Hope to see you at TCR! > > Ellie > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
I am in awe. Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the municipality of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly all these years. And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of some unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least there were photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike most of the other articles. I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles in the future despite this issue. Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !" If the polished trappings and fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, proofreading, and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox copies with corner staples that are timely and actually appear to have been published by an organization that gave a hoot. Jerry Atkinson. -Original Message- From: Ellie Falgout To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm Subject: Texas Caver Magazine Ready TSA Members, The long awaited Texas Caver Magazine is printed and also available online in the members area http://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php. I am bringing the printed magazines to TCR tonight and will have them at the Friday Wine Tasting and from then on I will probably leave them at registration. The magazines will finally be available at the TSA members meeting on Sunday, October 16th at 9am. I will mail any magazines that remain after TCR. Thanks to Jill for all your hard work on the magazine. Thanks to Linda Palit and Niki Lake for helping get the magazine ready from the printer. Hope to see you at TCR! Ellie ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Live update - a personal story
I reached TCR Thursday night before midnight and socialized with 20 cavers for an hour. I slept in the backseat of my Sequoia, ( although it is possible to fold the seats and make a nice bed ). I was drenching in sweat. I should have jumped in the shower before bed.I never even needed a sheet to cover with.But either flies or gnats kept me from getting a good nights sleep. Most of the earliest arrivals were the San Antonio and Austin regulars, but there was a Dallas caver and Houston caver.An enthusiast group of Sea-Aggies from Galveston have a floating snorkling party barge. I make a motion that that should become a new official tradition. Friday morning was very quiet, and people were fairly laid back just chilling at their camp, in the shade as it was too hot for anything else. One caver went kayaking. However, not Pete Strickland. He was busting his *** in the hot sun trying to get the party area set up.A few volunteers chipped in to offer the help with the lighter task.I unrolled a carpet which is something I have probably only done 3 times in my life. Internet service for T-Mobile is good one mile north of TCR next to the sign reading, " High Mountain Ranch." I am definitely spending the night, and going swimming, but not sure what I am staying after breakfast. I think I lucked out in that the work I missed today can be done on Monday, but it is going to be a very difficult day. The main thing I missed was collecting money and spending time with my kid. I recommend bringing something to keep the gnats from your face, but they are not biting. Bring sandals and swimming shoes, as it is too hot for hiking boots or even socks. You don't need a tent. Sleep out under the stars. Maybe hang a sticky fly trap over your head. The swimming area is a 9 out of 10 with very nice scenery, making it seem like a 9.5. I think there is plenty of beer. I do not drink beer. If anyone has an extra Smirnoff Ice that they don't need, that will work for me. I may go into town and stock up, as I did not bring an ice chest or any other gear. David Locklear NSS #27639 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Calling Penny Boston
Dave Socky is trying to reach you concerning your Luminary Talk, but neither your published phone or email work. Please contact him at sock...@cox.net or 540-989-7693. Alex Sproul ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Annouce
Folks, I saw this announcement on TAGNET, the email system for the southeastern region. I'm sure it will be great fun and an opportunity to visit the NSS Office. Geary 1) New Year's Eve Party at the NSS Headquarters & Conference Center By: Julie Schenck (Horse Cove, Alabama) jesche...@hotmail.com New Year's Eve Party at the NSS Headquarters & Conference CenterRegistration: $50.00/ Person or $25.00 for 12 and under. Open to all NSS members and guests-dress is caver casual.Commemorative cup and T-shirt included with registration.Doors open at 5:00 PM on Saturday, December 31st for this socialgathering, which features a catered New Year's Eve dinner by CreativeCatering of Huntsville and includes:Carved pork loin, chicken tenders with honey mustard, cocktail rolls,fresh fruit, fresh vegetables with dip, spinach dip, cheese and crackerassortment, potato bar with condiments, and cake. Sweet tea, unsweettea, coffee, and cavers' favorite adult beverages will also be served!DJ music and dancing from 8:00 PM - 1:00 AM with Champagne at Midnight.Camping is also included in the registration price, with the groundsopen from noon on Friday to noon on Monday; toilet facilities available.To register online: http://bit.ly/2e4cX8BIf you don't already have a Neon account with the NSS, click "Continueevent registration as a new account." Your registration will create aNeon account for you, so remember your unique login!Please register by December 1, 2016 as there will be no registration atthe event.Point of contact for event information: Fennigan Spencer, Event Chair,fennigant@gmail.comFor registration or other fundraising questions contact: Bill Jackson, Fundraising Chair, at bjackson.direc...@caves.org or 706-840-2619Support the NSS Headquarters and Conference CenterBurn the mortgage in 2017! <>___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
