[Texascavers] Looking for Terry Rains' email address

[Aimee Beveridge]

I apparently have an old email address.  Appreciate it if someone could send me 
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Re: [Texascavers] Tree Roots in Caves

[Aimee Beveridge]

I remember being on the trip to the Powell’s Cave with the Tree Root Scientist 
back in the last millennium.  


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On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 7:19 PM, AC  wrote:

Tree roots are very common in Hawaiian lava tubes. They are often where insects 
are found because of the low amount of organic matter in lava tubes. 
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The are also quite common in tropical caves as the trees are seeking water. 
I’ve seen tree roots in caves with as much as 20 m of overburden. 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie update

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Geoff and I plan to visit Ernie tomorrow morning.  -Aimee

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[Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting at Aimee and Geoff's tonight

[Aimee Beveridge]

Hello all, 
There is a happy hour gathering at Chuy's on Barton Springs before the meeting. 
 You are welcome to come over to our house anytime after 6:30.  
If wish to park at the top of our driveway, you may any available space but 
leave the two spaces behind van and honda for our less mobile members. There 
should be room for at least 6 to 7 cars.  Please leave 2 spaces I can give 
rides to you and your bike from the Hike and Bike trail under MOPAC.  Text me 
5126991904  
Our address is 2605 Stratford. You can park at 2609 Stratford (Ken's house).  
Also west of our driveway along Stratford but these are not choice.  You can 
walk up onto our property via the front of the pool from the neighbor's 
driveway if you are entering from the west.  
BYO Towel and drinks.  We'll have some snacks, water, cups.  

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Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting 5.30.18

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Bring a towel if you want to swim. Clothing optional pool

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2018 Save the Date

[Aimee Beveridge]

Thank you, Denise! 


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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 9:34 AM, Denise P  wrote:

 
TCR will be held at Paradise Canyon during the third weekend of October, 
starting Thursday Oct. 18 for early birds and running through Sunday Oct. 21. 




All negative comments can be sent to Santa at the North Pole.




We still need a head honcho for TCR, I merely helped reserve the campground.




Hope to see you there!




Cheers,

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA - CBSP November Project Weekend

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Hey guys we are on our way to the park right now.  Aimee 5126991904.  

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  On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Will Quast via 
Texascavers wrote:   Remember this weekend, Nov 
12, is the 2nd TSA-CBSP Project Weekend of the 2016-2017 season. The weather 
should be good for temperature, but there has been rain this week and there is 
a chance of rain on both Saturday and Sunday mornings, so plan accordingly. We 
will be camping at Caver Camp unless unless the road is too muddy. Join the 
mailing list (see website) for this project for last minute updates if are you 
are planning on coming.
Please completely read the project website 
http://www.cavetexas.org/projects/cbsp.html .
Also, this project weekend will be the last project weekend for the season that 
will not require prior reservation. We have decided that we will be able to 
better handle our responsibilities with the park and productivity if we know 
who intends to attend and limit the group size to 20 people. I do not expect 
this to effect any of the regular attendees and will help with the quality of 
learning for first timers. Keep an eye out for an email and updates to the 
website on how this will be handled.
Will Quast

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[Texascavers] Austin Geological Society Meeting on Inner Space Cave

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Good morning, Cavers:
Tonight's meeting topic looks like a fun one. 
Yours, Aimee Beveridge

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|  March 7, 2016 Austin Geological Society Meeting

  

 "Inner Space Caverns (Laubach Cave):  Discovery and insights into Texas' past 
fauna and climate"  Presented by Ernie Lundelius, Jay Banner, and Jim Samson.

 
 Note:  This presentation will be a little longer than usual.
 
  The Meeting will begin at 6:45 pm
 (pizza and registration beginning at 6:30 pm)
  
 Monday, March 7, 2016
 UT Austin, J.J. Pickle Research Campus
 10100 Burnet Rd., Bldg. 190 (ROC) auditorium
 http://www.beg.utexas.edu/info/maps.php
 Austin, Texas 78758
  
 www.austingeosoc.org

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|  Speaker information: Ernest L. Lundelius Jr., is Professor Emeritus and 
works in the Vertebrate Paleontology Laboratory at J.J. Pickle Research Center 
Campus.  Jay L. Banner is a Professor and Chevron Centennial Teaching Fellow; 
both are with The University of Texas at Austin, Jackson School of Geosciences. 
Mr. James W. Sansom is an independent geological consultant and an AGS Honorary 
Member.
  
 Group presentation (in order of appearance): Jay Banner, Jim Sansom, and Ernie 
Lundelius.
  
 Abstract: 
   
 In 1963 a large cave was found by the Texas Highway Department while 
conducting foundation core drilling for a railroad overpass of Interstate 
Highway 35 south of Georgetown, Texas.  A two foot diameter hole was drilled 
into the cave for access.  Exploration by highway department personnel and 
members of the Texas Speleological Association found an extensive cavern 
underlying the site of the proposed overpass and surrounding area.  The 
landowner, Dr. Laubach, received permission from the Texas Highway Department 
to develop a commercial cavern under the highway, and it was named Inner Space 
Cave.  The cavern is located in the Cretaceous age Edwards Formation and within 
the Balcones Fault Zone, both known for having caves and sinkholes.
   
 Cave calcite deposits (speleothems) offer insight into past climate. As the 
calcite grows from drip water entering the cave, it may record changes in the 
rate of drip and/or the chemical composition of the drip water. In this way, 
speleothems my preserve past climate information, yet there are many 
uncertainties regarding how accurately we can interpret a climate signal from 
speleothem analysis. At Inner Space and other cave systems in central Texas, 
ongoing research is monitoring cave meteorology, drip water physical and 
chemical parameters, and the growth of calcite on artificial substrates. The 
goal of these studies is to evaluate the extent to which modern speleothem 
calcite preserves climate changes. Speleothems have the potential to record 
past changes in temperature and the sources of moisture for rainfall in Texas.
   
 Deposits in Laubach (Inner Space) Cave have produced vertebrate fossils from 
five separate old openings that are marked underground by debris cones.  
Radiocarbon (C-14) dates are available for three 23,000, 15,000 and 13,000 YBP. 
 The fossils represent fauna that lived in Texas during the late Pleistocene 
and include a number of extinct species as well as extant species no longer 
found in central Texas.  The extinct species include the scimitar toothed cat, 
Homotherium serum, large armadillo, Dasypus bellus, sloth Megalonyx, glyptodont 
Glyptotherium sp., Columbian mammoth Mammuthus columbi, camel, Camelops sp., 
dire wolf Canis dirus, four horned antelope Tetrameryx sp. and large javelina 
Platygonus compressus.  The extra-limital species, Microtus 
ochrogaster/pinetorum, the shrew Blarina carolinenesis, prairie dog, Cynomys 
ludovicianus, and Dipodomys elator indicate changes in the environment since 
the last glacial stage.  Some differences in the faunas from the five 
localities may indicate changes in the fauna through time.  The oldest fauna 
contains remains of the Mexican free tailed bat that is absent from most of the 
Pleistocene faunas of Central Texas.  The C-14 date of 23,000 YBP indicates 
that it was present during the last interstadial that preceded the last glacial 
maximum.  There are old guano deposits in the cave that could be dated to 
determine if they are the same age as the Mexican free tailed bat specimens. 

  
  
 Biographical information on the Speakers:
 Jay Banner: http://www.jsg.utexas.edu/researcher/jay_banner/
 Ernest Lundelius: http://www.jsg.utexas.edu/researcher/ernest_lundelius/
 James Samson: James is an independent geological consultant and an AGS 
Honorary Member.
  

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[Texascavers] Directions to Punkin and Deep needed

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Does anyone have the Cabin set up information and directions to Punkin and 
Deep.  
I will need it tonight.  Please reply offlist to aim...@yahoo.com
Thanks, 
Aimee B
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Re: [Texascavers] [SuperSpeleOlympics]

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Not timed, you finish and maintain two points of contact and you get a prize.  
-aimee



> On Sep 1, 2015, at 12:27 PM, trog...@hotmail.com via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are all timed, right? Lowest cumulative time wins.
> 
> Ryan Monjaras
> "Semper Exploro"
> Maverick grotto
> Cowtown grotto
> DFW grotto
> UT grotto 
> Bexar grotto
> Greater Houston Grotto
> TSA
> TCMA
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [SuperSpeleOlympics]

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

We used to set up a rebelay course.  We gave carabiners to everyone who 
completed it. It could be done this year.  

The limitations: a site that has decent trees, volunteers to set it up and run 
it, and securing prizes.  Anybody interested?  

-Aimee



> On Aug 31, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cons--
> 
> The advantage of the traditional obstacle-course SpeleOlympics is that it is 
> a good spectator event at a specific location and at a particular time. (It 
> would be an even better one if the schedule was well announced and adhered 
> to.) Some of the components of proposed SuperSpeleOlympics not good spectator 
> events,especially CaveSim, and they'd be scattered around the site.
> 
> Any components that aren't already occurring separately would require 
> additional workers and might take help away from the existing contests.
> 
> People would likely treat a rebelay course that is part of a contest as a 
> race for time, and that is not safe when complicated vertical work is 
> involved, if only because it might encourage bad habits in the real thing.
> 
> With vertical and surveying components, it would tend to exclude new young 
> cavers, whose enthusiasm is what makes the traditional obstacle-course race 
> work.
> 
> How would overall winners be determined?
> 
> I imagine a lot of potential contestants would just think the whole thing was 
> more trouble and time-consuming than it was worth. It's supposed to be a 
> party, after all. How many people participate in more than two of the 
> traditional contests?
> --
> Seems like most of the components happen anyway, and people can just pick and 
> choose what they're interested in. Why try to make it overly organized?
> 
> A rebelay course (or at least knot-passing and change-over, which require 
> simpler rigging) for training might be nice, but judging by the times the 
> climbing contest has tended to get its act together, I wonder whether the 
> talent to run an additional vertical thing is available.
> 
> --Mixon
> 
> True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be 
> capable of doing before all the world.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Yes, Dish Minion for me.  



> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sheryl,
> 
> I will drop by during the food prep and cooking time before dinner and help 
> with dish washing.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Don had promised me dish washing minions. Come be my minion! 😈
>> 
>> Sheryl Rieck
>> sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
>> 
>> "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might 
>> find you get what you need" Rolling Stones
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Karen via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 
 Ha.. in other words, on demand!
 
 In all seriousness though, the titles are very cute, but perhaps it would 
 be helpful to describe a little of what they do?  Do Charmin Bearers just 
 bring the tp?
>>> 
>>> Yes, they just bring TP, and distribute to the portojohns as needed. No one 
>>> should run out of TP. Simple, once a day, go check them, leave TP as needed.
>>> 
>>> Dishwashing is self explanatory. As is the Slideshow Nerd & the 
>>> Speleolympics Officials. Help or don't. I'm just lining up volunteers early.
>>> 
 And I'm sure some are wondering what the very high profile and respected 
 Loo Crew really does...
>>> 
>>> The Paradise Canyon Loo Crew keeps the Paradise Canyon Loos clean.
>>> 
 I couldn't make last year's TCR, but fully expect to attend this year and 
 assist with the activities I've always volunteered for, but maybe I could 
 help with one of these too?
 
 Cheers,
 Karen
>>> 
>>> Maybe you could.
>>> 
 
 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 Your shift will be from Friday afternoon to Sunday lunchtime ;-)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf 
 Of Holly Weinstock via Texascavers
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:48 PM
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]
 
 I guess basically - What will I be doing?  And when will my shift be?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Done! Thanks! Questions?
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Holly Weinstock via Texascavers wrote:
>> 
>> I can be a Recycle Gatherer.
>> Holly Weinstock
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> O.K. troglodytes & troglodyte lovers, TCR is approaching and it needs 
>>> help in order to happen. Many have already stepped up and currently 
>>> slaving away and are working towards your enjoyment and trouble free 
>>> fun.
>>> However, TCR needs some volunteers.
>>> 
>>> Charmin Bearers
>>> Paradise Canyon Loo Crew
>>> Scrubby Dish Washer Crews
>>> Recycle Gatherers
>>> Slideshow Nerds
>>> Speleolympics Officials
>>> Signmaker
>>> 
>>> Please give me a shout if you think you can help!
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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[Texascavers] Fires in Edwards County

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

There are three active wildfires in Edwards County right now, one north of 
Rocksprings and two south.  One of them is about 15 miles northeast of Punkin 
and Deep.  I don't think it is a threat to P&D but it may affect getting to the 
preserve if you plan to visit.  
Here is the info from SOC   
TheState of Texas State Operations Center (SOC) received an updated report #2 
of the Brown Ranch Fire inEdwards County. After a fly-over by US Customs & 
Border Patrol (CBP)helicopter is was determined the wildfire has burnt 
approximately 2,200 acres.Incident Command Post has been set up at the junction 
of Farm-to-Market (FM)Road 674 and US Highway 377.  The Middle Rio Grande 
Development Council (MRGDC)Command Trailer was set up.  The Texas Department of 
Transportation(TxDOT) is providing fuel to Texas Forest Service and Edwards 
County vehicles.Department of Public Safety (DPS) Texas Highway Patrol (THP) is 
assisting withtraffic control. The American Red Cross (ARC) Kerrville is 
providing canteenservices. (DC 24– Del Rio)  DDC 24


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Re: [Texascavers] Global Underwater Explorers

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> On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fofo via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> some
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[Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC

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The tail of the amazing cave-climbing catfish as documented by Geoff Hoese, 
Aaron Addison and others featured on BBC. 
Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed
|   |
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| Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmedA catfish in Ecuador is seen climbing a 
cave wall, the first time such behaviour has been documented in this species |
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Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves

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I would not recommend flying the drone into Punkin Cave.  Its swallow nesting 
season.  
  From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
 To: Cavetex  
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 12:34 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
   
I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this
weekend at the TSA convention.  I did not get names from people, and
anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who.

If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you
have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my
drone, contact me off-list.  I'll gladly assist as I can for any
projects.

Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out
high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver)
and also checking out leads on cliff faces.  It can potentially be
used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the
size/nature of the pit.

While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be
taken into account, as well as obstacles.  We'll also have to keep it
away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to
disturb them.  It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move
them away from an entrance (snakes, etc).

Charles Goldsmith
wo...@justfamily.org
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Re: [Texascavers] Monday 1 December Bureau of Economic Geology presentation on caves

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

All:
The meeting last night was very interesting.  Cavers in attendance included 
Rune Burnet, Susan Souby, Andrea Croskrey, Geoff Hoese, Jim Kennedy and myself. 
Geoff has the contact information for Chris Bell and has already asked him if 
he could present his findings on Phillips Cave in Crockett County at Spring 
Convention.  This is a cave that was mapped by Peter Sprouse, Sofia Casini, 
Ryan Reed, Geoff Hoese and others in 2010(?).  We all agreed last night that 
Chris would be an excellent speaker at the TSA but he did say that April is a 
busy month for him.   
Geoff and Peter gave a presentation on this cave at the UT grotto several years 
ago I believe. 
The cave appears to be rich in Pleistocene fauna and will be an excellent 
source for paleontology research for years to come. I recall that they have so 
far identified bones of two birds (one quite large), snakes, numerous rodents, 
skunks and their kin, horse, camel, and an extinct antelope. Crash, what am I 
missing? 
The speakers expressed their gratitude to the cavers for notifying them of the 
find nearly immediately after their visit and for the fine map.  
Aimee Beveridge

  
Hint hint: it would be great to hear from one or both of these speakers at the 
Spring TSA Convention.

Diana


> Good Morning Cavers:
>
> If you are in Austin today, there will be a cave paleontology presentation at 
> the Austin Geological Society Talk presented tonight at 7:00 PM at the Bureau 
> of Economic Geology located at 10100 Burnet Road, building 130. The featured 
> speakers will be Dr. Ernest Lundelius speaking about "Contributions of Caves 
> to Knowledge of Edwards Plateau History" and Dr. Chris Bell on "New Ice-Age 
> Fossils from Phillips Cave, Crockett County, Texas"
>
> Cheers,
> Aimee Beveridge





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[Texascavers] Monday 1 December Bureau of Economic Geology presentation on caves

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Good Morning Cavers:
If you are in Austin today, there will be a cave paleontology presentation at 
the Austin Geological Society Talk presented tonight at 7:00 PM at the Bureau 
of Economic Geologylocated at 10100 Burnet Road, building 130. The featured 
speakers will be Dr.Ernest Lundelius speaking about "Contributions of Caves to 
Knowledge ofEdwards Plateau History" and Dr. Chris Bell on "New Ice-Age 
Fossilsfrom Phillips Cave, Crockett County, Texas"

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Re: [Texascavers] Apusini Karst, Romania #1

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Yep, this this beautiful slice of caving paradise was the site of the ICS 
Romania field trip last summer.  Geoff and I and six other cavers enjoyed 5 
days of caving in that same guesthouse. Great that you got to see it.  



> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:18 PM, DirtDoc via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 20 September 2014
> 
> Again, my intention is to post this to the group.
> 
> We are now in Romania.  With the help of some Romanian cavers (both local and 
> living in the USA -Bogdan Onac and Gheorghe Ponta ---THANKS Bogdan and 
> Gheorghe)  and lots of sign language, we are having a great time (even though 
> the weather isn't the best).  Just north of Rosia we found a cavers camp 
> perched on a hilltop overlooking (and part of)  large scale sink hole studded 
> karst.  360 degrees!  Friendly local farmers manage the caver-owned complex 
> of small traditional houses and camp sites fed us with local meals. Our 
> particular little House under the Stars sleeps two on the bed (one room 
> house), but four more could spread their bags in the attic. 
> 
> The Western Apusini Mountains (Bihor karst) is a large complex limestone unit 
> that contains more than 7,000 caves.  A cavers paradise.  
> 
> Our little house is by the entrance to one of Romanias major caves:  Ciur 
> Ponor Ciur Izbuc Cave system.  The second day we were there two Romanian 
> cavers showed up to bunk in the main house, which has a self catering kitchen 
> (interesting phrase) with stove,  fridge, etc and room for 25-30 cavers 
> without crowding. Add beer and you could fit more. 
> 
> We visited several nearby caves. 
> 
> Farcu Mine which dug into the Cave of the Crystals.  Small but gorgeous. Like 
> Caverns of Sonora, but not as extensive.  It has about 30 "butterflies" , but 
> none to compare to Sonora's missing one. Clear, transparent helectites and 
> more. 
> 
> Meziad Cave.  Huge passage but most of the formations were dry and dusty.  A 
> bit of a disappointment, but we were comparing it to the best of the best. 
> 
> Bear Cave. A fantastic paleo site and quite a beautiful cave. On the order of 
> 140 cave bear skulls and a lot more.   A must visit if you are in the area. 
> 
> The next day was Monday and developed caves and museums were closed. Besides, 
>  it was raining.  So we moved on.
> 
> Dirt Doc
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Mertens Ranch dig trip

[Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers]

Geoff and i planned to go. 

> On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> If anyone is not going on the Deep Cave survey trip this coming weekend and 
> would like to join us on a very promising dig adjacent to Guadalupe River 
> State Park (and projected to intersect a very long and famous water cave), 
> contact me offlist.  We still have a couple of open spots.  Details will be 
> sent upon confirmation of participants.  Breakthrough is imminent!
> 
> Crash
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Ringing stones

[Aimee Beveridge]

That is a fantastic story!  I grew up going on school trips and family visits 
to Luray Caverns.  I adored hearing "Oh, Shenandoah" played there.  It sent 
chills down my spine.  Very cool.  


> On May 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> Interesting comments, Peter.  Brings back an unusual memory.
>  In the late 50's, when I was a student at RPI, I found myself touring Luray 
> Caverns.  An old guy with a rubber mallet and a tuning fork was thumping 
> around in the cave.  I wandered away from the tour and started talking to 
> him.  It turned out that his helper had some sort family emergency and I 
> ended up being hired to assist him for most of a week.  It was a very trial 
> and error process.  He thumped around with his little rubber mallet until he 
> found the exact tone that he wanted.  My job was to carefully mark the spot 
> and label it as he instructed me. He had a check-sheet with the list of 
> notes, and a detailed layout of the room so he could locate the right spot 
> again. He was still at it when I left, but was down to a few elusive notes 
> that he was trying to find.
>  Yes, I have been back, and the results ARE impressive.  I've always thought 
> of it as the original surround sound.
>  DirtDoc.

Re: [Texascavers] October CBSP Project Trip Report

[Aimee Beveridge]

Great report, Kris! 

> On Oct 15, 2013, at 21:14, Kris Pena  wrote:
> 
> Project Date: October 11-13, 2013
> 
> VOLUNTEERS: Lori Karker, William Quast, Anthony Garot, Yazmin Avila, Jim 
> Kennedy, Gerry Geletzke, Vivian Loftin, Lydia Hernandez, Aubri Jenson, Nicole 
> Goodman,  Justin Shaw, Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, Davey Siddors, Heather 
> Tucek, David Moore, Diana Tomchick, Jason Cook, Jessica Smith, Kasey Irons, 
> Jessica Aguilar, Neil Buckman
> 
> HOURS: 102 hours drive + 121 volunteer hours
> 
> SUMMARY:
> Jessica, Neil and Gerry surveyed SAB 314 (Spider Web Cave) and reported that 
> a VERY small, experienced caver should return and attempt to push the lead. 
> They also visited SAB 272 (Hard Wedge Cave), SAB 797 (LIVC01 Karst Feature) 
> which could use some additional digging, and SAB 798.  They were unable to 
> locate SAB 350.
> 
> Lydia, David, and Kasey’s team and Jessica, Vivian, and Nicole’s team crossed 
> the river in search of unknown features.  Together they found several 
> promising features that could use some digging and two caves were tentatively 
> named (Rack Cave) and (Minor Mishap Cave).
> 
> Justin, Galen, Ellie and Diana set out to continue the dig on SAB 199 (Don’t 
> Fit Pit) and SAB 718 (Two Burnt Ropes Cave).  They were unable to locate 
> (Don’t Fit Pit). They did find and begin digging on (Two Burnt Ropes Cave), 
> only to find that the cave continues as a tiny crack that would require 
> endless digging.
> 
> Will, Laura, Aubri, and Lori completed a survey of SAB 599 (Cody’s Well) and 
> explored SAB 769 (Deep Dream Cave). A subsequent trip is required to complete 
> that survey.
> 
> Heather and David explored an area labeled “new karst area” and confirmed 
> that it requires a larger karst walking team. They successfully located SAB 
> 338 and tentatively named it (Fred’s  Cave), but they were unable to survey 
> it as it requires additional digging. They were also able to locate and 
> describe (French Press Karst Feature) and to survey SAB 245 (Slumps Below 
> Cave).
> 
> Caver Camp was full of gnats, making sitting and eating difficult.  Saturday 
> night had thunderstorms on the way.  The combination of these factors led 
> some to leave Saturday night while others embraced them and had a great night 
> watching the lightning roll in.
> 
> FULL TRIP REPORTS:
> 
> Team 1:
> Jessica, Neil, Gerry
> Time: 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. total hours: 18
> Data: Pouch #4
> Objectives: to survey caves and describe karst features. (SAB 314, SAB272, 
> SAB273, SAB797, SAB798, SAB350)
> Report: SAB 314 (Spiderweb Cave): survey (see pack number 4). A more 
> experienced and very small experienced caver should retry. If you head toward 
> the fence in the cave you have to travel on your side on the ground. A helmet 
> barely fits through. Ahead you can see a tiny room with a column and 
> stalactite formations. Beyond that, another tight crawl space exists. This 
> one is horizontally formed. It looks to be 10 feet long and beyond that is 
> unknown.
> SAB 272 (Hard Wedge Cave): the tight fissure entrance dropped about 12 feet 
> to the first ledge. The entire drop is about 20 feet. This cave is extremely 
> narrow. Could not see beyond.
> SAB 797 (LIVC01 karst feature): the entrance was covered in overgrown 
> shrubbery. Could not get around it or see inside.
> SAB 273 (coon scat cave): description given from 7/8/95 is correct except the 
> entrance dropped about 10 feet down.
> SAB 798 (karst feature): 4 feet deep and very narrow. No way to fit beyond.
> SAB 350 (SABK001): could not locate.
> Next tasks: send screening, experienced cavers to investigate the type 
> passage of spiderweb cave.
> 
> Team 2:
> Lydia, David, Kasey
> Time 10:00 - 18:00. Total hours 24.
> Data: GPS Garman Ellie Watson 
> Objectives: Ridge walk across the east side of the river and look for karst.
> Report: we ran across the river after walking down the trail to Gorman from 
> the conference center. We hiked along the East Park boundary fence and fanned 
> out looking for karst. We finally found something at the end of the hike 3.6 
> km from our start point (048). Karst feature was blowing air, needs 
> modification (HEB). Then we swam in the river we cross and helped a scout 
> leader back to her camp and went on a trip to Spicewood Springs. Then back to 
> camp for food and fun.
> 
> Team 3:
> Jessica, Vivian, Nicole
> Time 10:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. Total hours 21.
> Data: GPS number #1
> Objectives: search for new caves. 
> Report: This was my first time out. We crossed the river followed the fence 
> boundary until the turn and split into two groups. We came across one hole 
> that looked promising then found a cave that we named "rack cave". I had 
> found a deer antler, so we wanted to name it something along those lines. We 
> were able to climb in and saw a couple of passage ways. But they were too 
> tight to continue too far.
> We found another promising sinkhole near here. Continued walking t

[Texascavers] Lascaux Cave exhibit

[Aimee Beveridge]

Lascaux Cave painting exhibit is coming to Houston
http://www.hmns.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=651&Itemid=683

[Texascavers] Fwd: DSHS News Release: Precaution forHunters and Ranchers

[Aimee Beveridge]

Let's talk about anthrax and caves.  :-/
> Texas Department of State Health Services 
> NEWS RELEASE 
> Sept. 27, 2013
> 
> 
> DSHS Urges Precautions for Hunters and Ranchers
> 
> 
> The Texas Department of State Health Services is urging hunters and ranchers 
> to take precautions to protect themselves from diseases transmitted by 
> animals. 
> 
> Deer, sheep, goats, cattle, horses and other animals can contract anthrax, a 
> bacterium that can cause a severe, life-threatening disease in both humans 
> and animals. 
> 
> The first case of anthrax this year was recently confirmed in a sable 
> antelope herd on a ranch in Edwards County, an area of West Texas where 
> anthrax is most likely to occur. Animals usually get the disease by 
> swallowing anthrax spores while grazing. Anthrax is a naturally occurring 
> disease with worldwide distribution, including Texas.
> 
> “Hunters and livestock owners should be aware of anthrax cases in their area 
> and take steps to protect themselves, such as not touching sick or dead 
> animals,” said Dr. Tom Sidwa, manager of the Zoonosis Control Branch at DSHS. 
> “Basic precautions can minimize the chance of contracting anthrax or other 
> diseases transmitted by wildlife.”
> 
> People usually get anthrax through handling a dead or sick animal infected 
> with anthrax. Anthrax infection in humans usually involves infection of the 
> skin. Skin infection is typically itchy and resembles an insect bite. Within 
> two to six days it progresses into a painless ulcer with a depressed black 
> center.
> 
> Although humans are susceptible to anthrax infection, no cases have been 
> reported in Texas this year. Basic precautions can effectively reduce the 
> risks of humans contracting anthrax and other diseases from livestock and 
> game animals.
> 
> Do not harvest animals that appear ill or are acting abnormally.
> Wear long-sleeved garments and gloves when handling, dressing and processing 
> game.
> Use sanitary practices such as hand washing with soap and water and 
> laundering clothes immediately after animal exposure.
> Minimize contact with animal fluids, brain and spinal tissues.
> Keep pets and children away from dead animals.
> Avoid direct contact with animal bones, horns or antlers.  
> Cook all meat until well done before consuming.
> 
> 
> People should contact a doctor if they develop an unusual-looking sore on the 
> hands, arms or other exposed skin. Although it is very rare to contract skin 
> anthrax, this infection requires treatment with antibiotics prescribed by a 
> physician.
> 
>  
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[Texascavers] Job listings at Splash and the Austin Nature & Science Center

[Aimee Beveridge]

Job offerings in Austin


> From: "clk724" 
> Subject: [camn] Job listings at Splash and the Austin Nature & Science Center
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Wanted to let ya'll know about two positions that you might be interested in:
> 
> First is a full-time position at the Beverly S. Sheffield Center at Barton 
> Springs – close date 8/27
> https://www.austincityjobs.org/postings/39123
> 
> The other is a 20 hour position at the Austin nature & Science Center running 
> the Naturalist Workshop and Trade Counter – close date 9/05
> https://www.austincityjobs.org/postings/39184
> 
> Please pass on to anyone who might be interested
> 
> Clark Hancock, MPAff, CIT
> Exhibit & Collections Coordinator
> Austin Nature & Science Center
> 301 Nature Center Dr.
> Austin, TX 78746
> (512) 974-3870
> (fax) (512) 974-3885
> 
> work schedule: Tues - Sat
> 
> Everybody experiences far more than he understands. 
> Yet it is experience, rather than understanding, that influences behavior. 
> Marshall McLuhan
> 
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[Texascavers] Job listings at Splash and the Austin Nature & Science Center

[Aimee Beveridge]

Job offerings in Austin


> From: "clk724" 
> Subject: [camn] Job listings at Splash and the Austin Nature & Science Center
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Wanted to let ya'll know about two positions that you might be interested in:
> 
> First is a full-time position at the Beverly S. Sheffield Center at Barton 
> Springs – close date 8/27
> https://www.austincityjobs.org/postings/39123
> 
> The other is a 20 hour position at the Austin nature & Science Center running 
> the Naturalist Workshop and Trade Counter – close date 9/05
> https://www.austincityjobs.org/postings/39184
> 
> Please pass on to anyone who might be interested
> 
> Clark Hancock, MPAff, CIT
> Exhibit & Collections Coordinator
> Austin Nature & Science Center
> 301 Nature Center Dr.
> Austin, TX 78746
> (512) 974-3870
> (fax) (512) 974-3885
> 
> work schedule: Tues - Sat
> 
> Everybody experiences far more than he understands. 
> Yet it is experience, rather than understanding, that influences behavior. 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[Aimee Beveridge]

I have about 5 lbs of pork, I lb of fat and a venison loin to throw in.  

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
>  
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
> To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
>  
> Allan
>  
>  
>  
> From: James Jasek
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>  
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
> 
> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a gross 
> mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>  
> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>  
> -- Crash
>  
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>  
> Y’all,
>  
> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats that 
> could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>  
> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
> couple of weeks, probably.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[Aimee Beveridge]

I have about 5 lbs of pork, I lb of fat and a venison loin to throw in.  

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
>  
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
> To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
>  
> Allan
>  
>  
>  
> From: James Jasek
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Jim Kennedy
> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>  
> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>  
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
> 
> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a gross 
> mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>  
> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>  
> -- Crash
>  
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>  
> Y’all,
>  
> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats that 
> could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>  
> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
> couple of weeks, probably.
>  
> Cheers,
> Stefan
>  
> No virus found in this message.
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> 
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie

[Aimee Beveridge]

We went to the 7:20 show in Austin.  It was a beautiful film that every caver 
and their families should see.  

Sent from my iPad

On May 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> Linda,
> Thanks for your review.  Only other one I've seen from a caver was from 
> Gill Ediger on Facebook:  "I went to the picture show. It was, what, No Place 
> on Earth. Despite the appearance of Rykwalder's name in the credits it turned 
> out to be a pretty damned good cave movie. Bravo!"  Gill is of course kidding 
> about Phillip Rykwalder, who was listed in the credits as "Cave Logistics" or 
> something similar.
> 
> I went to the 5:20 showing in Austin and was disappointed there were only 
> about 20 people.  I did see at least one group of cavers going in for the 
> next show.
> 
> Re your comment "Families and people today would not be able to survive 
> 1-1/2 years in a cave."  Although most "typical" urban families today 
> probably wouldn't survive that situation, there are a lot of outdoor types 
> (e.g., cavers, river rats, climbers, etc) plus "country" folks (e.g., 
> traditional farmers & ranchers) who are used to being self-sufficient and 
> improvising.  I think you and I know quite a few folks, including many on 
> these lists, who would have a lot better chance of surviving than most.
> 
> If the movie doesn't get enough viewers for a more expanded release, I 
> hope that at least it will be available on DVD.  It's worth seeing.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> 
> 
> On 5/4/2013 2:47 PM, Linda Starr wrote:
>> Hey grotto and SWR cavers,
>>  We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was 
>> only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well worth 
>> seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can 
>> get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers at the 
>> showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and 
>> Design) besides us.
>>  At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the 
>> author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's Grotto." 
>> We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have 
>> it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, their trials, their 
>> stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during
>>World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. The movie makes you 
>> think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to."  My answer is "NO!"  
>>  Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by 
>> it.
>> Linda Starr
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr  wrote:
>>> Grotto cavers,
>>>  Check out this video site and try the link. I got in and requested a 
>>> showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater. It would be great if 
>>> my request received support from you so that we can see it locally. I might 
>>> try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it.  This story looks really 
>>> interesting. Check out the trailer.
>>> Linda Starr
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Logan McNatt 
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
>>> Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
>>> To: Texas Cavers , s...@caver.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a 
>>> reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
>>> Place on Earth.
>>> 
>>> This Friday May 3
>>> Austin:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills
>>> 
>>> Santa Fe: The Screen 
>>> 
>>> Scottsdale:  Shea 14 Theater
>>> 
>>> Next Friday May 10
>>> Dallas:  Angelika Film Center and Cafe
>>> 
>>> For you folks in other states, try this link
>>> http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/
>>> 
>>> For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available 
>>> on numerous links, just Google it.
>>> Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.
>>> 
>>> Logan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie

[Aimee Beveridge]

We went to the 7:20 show in Austin.  It was a beautiful film that every caver 
and their families should see.  

Sent from my iPad

On May 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> Linda,
> Thanks for your review.  Only other one I've seen from a caver was from 
> Gill Ediger on Facebook:  "I went to the picture show. It was, what, No Place 
> on Earth. Despite the appearance of Rykwalder's name in the credits it turned 
> out to be a pretty damned good cave movie. Bravo!"  Gill is of course kidding 
> about Phillip Rykwalder, who was listed in the credits as "Cave Logistics" or 
> something similar.
> 
> I went to the 5:20 showing in Austin and was disappointed there were only 
> about 20 people.  I did see at least one group of cavers going in for the 
> next show.
> 
> Re your comment "Families and people today would not be able to survive 
> 1-1/2 years in a cave."  Although most "typical" urban families today 
> probably wouldn't survive that situation, there are a lot of outdoor types 
> (e.g., cavers, river rats, climbers, etc) plus "country" folks (e.g., 
> traditional farmers & ranchers) who are used to being self-sufficient and 
> improvising.  I think you and I know quite a few folks, including many on 
> these lists, who would have a lot better chance of surviving than most.
> 
> If the movie doesn't get enough viewers for a more expanded release, I 
> hope that at least it will be available on DVD.  It's worth seeing.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> 
> 
> On 5/4/2013 2:47 PM, Linda Starr wrote:
>> Hey grotto and SWR cavers,
>>  We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was 
>> only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well worth 
>> seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can 
>> get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers at the 
>> showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and 
>> Design) besides us.
>>  At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the 
>> author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's Grotto." 
>> We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have 
>> it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, their trials, their 
>> stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during
>>World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. The movie makes you 
>> think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to."  My answer is "NO!"  
>>  Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by 
>> it.
>> Linda Starr
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr  wrote:
>>> Grotto cavers,
>>>  Check out this video site and try the link. I got in and requested a 
>>> showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater. It would be great if 
>>> my request received support from you so that we can see it locally. I might 
>>> try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it.  This story looks really 
>>> interesting. Check out the trailer.
>>> Linda Starr
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Logan McNatt 
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
>>> Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
>>> To: Texas Cavers , s...@caver.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a 
>>> reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
>>> Place on Earth.
>>> 
>>> This Friday May 3
>>> Austin:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills
>>> 
>>> Santa Fe: The Screen 
>>> 
>>> Scottsdale:  Shea 14 Theater
>>> 
>>> Next Friday May 10
>>> Dallas:  Angelika Film Center and Cafe
>>> 
>>> For you folks in other states, try this link
>>> http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/
>>> 
>>> For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available 
>>> on numerous links, just Google it.
>>> Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.
>>> 
>>> Logan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
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>>> s...@caver.net
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie

[Aimee Beveridge]

We went to the 7:20 show in Austin.  It was a beautiful film that every caver 
and their families should see.  

Sent from my iPad

On May 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> Linda,
> Thanks for your review.  Only other one I've seen from a caver was from 
> Gill Ediger on Facebook:  "I went to the picture show. It was, what, No Place 
> on Earth. Despite the appearance of Rykwalder's name in the credits it turned 
> out to be a pretty damned good cave movie. Bravo!"  Gill is of course kidding 
> about Phillip Rykwalder, who was listed in the credits as "Cave Logistics" or 
> something similar.
> 
> I went to the 5:20 showing in Austin and was disappointed there were only 
> about 20 people.  I did see at least one group of cavers going in for the 
> next show.
> 
> Re your comment "Families and people today would not be able to survive 
> 1-1/2 years in a cave."  Although most "typical" urban families today 
> probably wouldn't survive that situation, there are a lot of outdoor types 
> (e.g., cavers, river rats, climbers, etc) plus "country" folks (e.g., 
> traditional farmers & ranchers) who are used to being self-sufficient and 
> improvising.  I think you and I know quite a few folks, including many on 
> these lists, who would have a lot better chance of surviving than most.
> 
> If the movie doesn't get enough viewers for a more expanded release, I 
> hope that at least it will be available on DVD.  It's worth seeing.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> 
> 
> On 5/4/2013 2:47 PM, Linda Starr wrote:
>> Hey grotto and SWR cavers,
>>  We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was 
>> only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well worth 
>> seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can 
>> get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers at the 
>> showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and 
>> Design) besides us.
>>  At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the 
>> author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's Grotto." 
>> We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have 
>> it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, their trials, their 
>> stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during
>>World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. The movie makes you 
>> think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to."  My answer is "NO!"  
>>  Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by 
>> it.
>> Linda Starr
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr  wrote:
>>> Grotto cavers,
>>>  Check out this video site and try the link. I got in and requested a 
>>> showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater. It would be great if 
>>> my request received support from you so that we can see it locally. I might 
>>> try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it.  This story looks really 
>>> interesting. Check out the trailer.
>>> Linda Starr
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Logan McNatt 
>>> Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
>>> Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
>>> To: Texas Cavers , s...@caver.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a 
>>> reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
>>> Place on Earth.
>>> 
>>> This Friday May 3
>>> Austin:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills
>>> 
>>> Santa Fe: The Screen 
>>> 
>>> Scottsdale:  Shea 14 Theater
>>> 
>>> Next Friday May 10
>>> Dallas:  Angelika Film Center and Cafe
>>> 
>>> For you folks in other states, try this link
>>> http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/
>>> 
>>> For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available 
>>> on numerous links, just Google it.
>>> Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.
>>> 
>>> Logan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Superhydrophobic Mud-Proof Coating

[Aimee Beveridge]

What does it do when it enters your bloodstream or groundwater? 

Teflon, scotch guard.they're quite literally, a part of every one of us.  

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

>Depending upon how well this would hold up in a cave, it might 
> revolutionize cave clothes.  Imagine a cave suit or pack that never gets wet 
> or muddy.  .
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Superhydrophobic Mud-Proof Coating

[Aimee Beveridge]

What does it do when it enters your bloodstream or groundwater? 

Teflon, scotch guard.they're quite literally, a part of every one of us.  

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

>Depending upon how well this would hold up in a cave, it might 
> revolutionize cave clothes.  Imagine a cave suit or pack that never gets wet 
> or muddy.  .
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Superhydrophobic Mud-Proof Coating

[Aimee Beveridge]

What does it do when it enters your bloodstream or groundwater? 

Teflon, scotch guard.they're quite literally, a part of every one of us.  

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

>Depending upon how well this would hold up in a cave, it might 
> revolutionize cave clothes.  Imagine a cave suit or pack that never gets wet 
> or muddy.  .
> 
> Mark
> 
> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
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Re: [Texascavers] Seeking copy of Texas Cavers video

[Aimee Beveridge]

Frank,
 
We have plenty of DVDs or you can buy it through the TSA bookstore.  Email me 
your address and I'll send you a copy. 
 
A $10 donation to the TSA is appreciated. 
 
Aimee

From: Frank Binney 
To: Texas Cavers  
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Seeking copy of Texas Cavers video

Anybody know of a source for ordering a Texas Cavers dvd?
I need another copy for my library.
Thanks,
Frank



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Re: [Texascavers] Seeking copy of Texas Cavers video

[Aimee Beveridge]

Frank,
 
We have plenty of DVDs or you can buy it through the TSA bookstore.  Email me 
your address and I'll send you a copy. 
 
A $10 donation to the TSA is appreciated. 
 
Aimee

From: Frank Binney 
To: Texas Cavers  
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Seeking copy of Texas Cavers video

Anybody know of a source for ordering a Texas Cavers dvd?
I need another copy for my library.
Thanks,
Frank



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Re: [Texascavers] Seeking copy of Texas Cavers video

[Aimee Beveridge]

Frank,
 
We have plenty of DVDs or you can buy it through the TSA bookstore.  Email me 
your address and I'll send you a copy. 
 
A $10 donation to the TSA is appreciated. 
 
Aimee

From: Frank Binney 
To: Texas Cavers  
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Seeking copy of Texas Cavers video

Anybody know of a source for ordering a Texas Cavers dvd?
I need another copy for my library.
Thanks,
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[Texascavers] Capitol Area Master Naturalists

[Aimee Beveridge]

 
 Geoscientist folks:
 
The Capitol Area Master Naturalists in Austin TX need a Geologist to teach 
their 8 February geology class. The class should be designed to cover the 
basics of rock identification and Texas geology to non-geologists. Geology 
portion of the Geology/Soils class on February 9th?  The class will meet at the 
HEB on Bee Caves Rd. & Capital of Texas Hwy (360), going to 2-3 points of 
interest for geology, then go to Wild Basin Preserve.
 
For more information on how you can volunteer, contact Jon Brandt 
 
Jon E. Brandt, P.G.
Geoscientist - Soils 
Abandoned Mine Land Section
Surface Mining and Reclamation Division
Railroad Commission of Texas
P.O. Box 12967
Austin, TX  78711-2967
512-305-8825 - office
512-657-6989 - cell
512-463-6709 - fax

[Texascavers] Capitol Area Master Naturalists

[Aimee Beveridge]

 
 Geoscientist folks:
 
The Capitol Area Master Naturalists in Austin TX need a Geologist to teach 
their 8 February geology class. The class should be designed to cover the 
basics of rock identification and Texas geology to non-geologists. Geology 
portion of the Geology/Soils class on February 9th?  The class will meet at the 
HEB on Bee Caves Rd. & Capital of Texas Hwy (360), going to 2-3 points of 
interest for geology, then go to Wild Basin Preserve.
 
For more information on how you can volunteer, contact Jon Brandt 
 
Jon E. Brandt, P.G.
Geoscientist - Soils 
Abandoned Mine Land Section
Surface Mining and Reclamation Division
Railroad Commission of Texas
P.O. Box 12967
Austin, TX  78711-2967
512-305-8825 - office
512-657-6989 - cell
512-463-6709 - fax

[Texascavers] Capitol Area Master Naturalists

[Aimee Beveridge]

 
 Geoscientist folks:
 
The Capitol Area Master Naturalists in Austin TX need a Geologist to teach 
their 8 February geology class. The class should be designed to cover the 
basics of rock identification and Texas geology to non-geologists. Geology 
portion of the Geology/Soils class on February 9th?  The class will meet at the 
HEB on Bee Caves Rd. & Capital of Texas Hwy (360), going to 2-3 points of 
interest for geology, then go to Wild Basin Preserve.
 
For more information on how you can volunteer, contact Jon Brandt 
 
Jon E. Brandt, P.G.
Geoscientist - Soils 
Abandoned Mine Land Section
Surface Mining and Reclamation Division
Railroad Commission of Texas
P.O. Box 12967
Austin, TX  78711-2967
512-305-8825 - office
512-657-6989 - cell
512-463-6709 - fax

Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas

[Aimee Beveridge]

in your eye! 




From: Lyndon Tiu 
To: Aimee Beveridge  
Cc: texas cavers tc  
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
Texas


Shit!




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Aimee Beveridge  wrote:

I am sure this was pointed out earlier but being bitten isn't the problem.  Its 
oral or open wound contact with the infected feces.    
> 
> 
>
>
>From: rafal kedzierski 
>To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; texas cavers tc 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:29 PM
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
>Texas
>
>
>Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out 
>that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only 
>trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H. 
>sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the 
>PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR 
>primers used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the 
>primers withstood the test of clinical practice?
>
>Rafal Kedzierski
>DFW caver
> 
>
>From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
>Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas
>
>
>Folks,
> 
>Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve 
>in Edwards County, Texas.  This was in support of some research being 
>conducted by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of 
>Medicine.  Two of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured 
>around the porch areas.  Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy 
>Orsburn Murray a researcher at Baylor.
> 
>We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects 
>for Chagas.  We ran the PCRs yesterday.  I wanted to let you know that 3 of 
>the 4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine.  It was 
>still alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We 
>took the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was 
>positive.  This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of 
>the cabins.  We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can 
>identify the source of the blood meal.  If human, do you know who was in that 
>cabin at the time of the collection?  Perhaps we should test those of you who 
>might be exposed to these insects.  With such a high percentage positive, the 
>risk for transmission of Chagas could be high.  
>Let me know if you have any questions.  We are happy to help.
>Best wishes
>Kristy
> 
>I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not 
>unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive.  I have five 
>additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing.  Chagas 
>is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped 
>out in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links 
>on Chagas information. 
> 
>It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how 
>you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
> 
>Geary Schindel  
> 
> 
>http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
> (From San Antonio Express News)
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease    (From Wikipedia)
> 
>http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/   (From Centers for Disease 
>Control)
> 
>http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956  (From Mayo 
>Clinic)
> 
>http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health 
>Organization)
> 
> 
>
>


-- 
Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas

[Aimee Beveridge]

in your eye! 




From: Lyndon Tiu 
To: Aimee Beveridge  
Cc: texas cavers tc  
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
Texas


Shit!




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Aimee Beveridge  wrote:

I am sure this was pointed out earlier but being bitten isn't the problem.  Its 
oral or open wound contact with the infected feces.    
> 
> 
>
>
>From: rafal kedzierski 
>To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; texas cavers tc 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:29 PM
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
>Texas
>
>
>Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out 
>that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only 
>trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H. 
>sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the 
>PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR 
>primers used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the 
>primers withstood the test of clinical practice?
>
>Rafal Kedzierski
>DFW caver
> 
>
>From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
>Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas
>
>
>Folks,
> 
>Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve 
>in Edwards County, Texas.  This was in support of some research being 
>conducted by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of 
>Medicine.  Two of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured 
>around the porch areas.  Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy 
>Orsburn Murray a researcher at Baylor.
> 
>We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects 
>for Chagas.  We ran the PCRs yesterday.  I wanted to let you know that 3 of 
>the 4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine.  It was 
>still alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We 
>took the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was 
>positive.  This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of 
>the cabins.  We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can 
>identify the source of the blood meal.  If human, do you know who was in that 
>cabin at the time of the collection?  Perhaps we should test those of you who 
>might be exposed to these insects.  With such a high percentage positive, the 
>risk for transmission of Chagas could be high.  
>Let me know if you have any questions.  We are happy to help.
>Best wishes
>Kristy
> 
>I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not 
>unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive.  I have five 
>additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing.  Chagas 
>is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped 
>out in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links 
>on Chagas information. 
> 
>It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how 
>you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
> 
>Geary Schindel  
> 
> 
>http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
> (From San Antonio Express News)
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease    (From Wikipedia)
> 
>http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/   (From Centers for Disease 
>Control)
> 
>http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956  (From Mayo 
>Clinic)
> 
>http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health 
>Organization)
> 
> 
>
>


-- 
Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas

[Aimee Beveridge]

in your eye! 




From: Lyndon Tiu 
To: Aimee Beveridge  
Cc: texas cavers tc  
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
Texas


Shit!




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Aimee Beveridge  wrote:

I am sure this was pointed out earlier but being bitten isn't the problem.  Its 
oral or open wound contact with the infected feces.    
> 
> 
>
>
>From: rafal kedzierski 
>To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; texas cavers tc 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:29 PM
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
>Texas
>
>
>Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out 
>that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only 
>trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H. 
>sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the 
>PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR 
>primers used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the 
>primers withstood the test of clinical practice?
>
>Rafal Kedzierski
>DFW caver
> 
>
>From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
>Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas
>
>
>Folks,
> 
>Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve 
>in Edwards County, Texas.  This was in support of some research being 
>conducted by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of 
>Medicine.  Two of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured 
>around the porch areas.  Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy 
>Orsburn Murray a researcher at Baylor.
> 
>We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects 
>for Chagas.  We ran the PCRs yesterday.  I wanted to let you know that 3 of 
>the 4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine.  It was 
>still alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We 
>took the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was 
>positive.  This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of 
>the cabins.  We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can 
>identify the source of the blood meal.  If human, do you know who was in that 
>cabin at the time of the collection?  Perhaps we should test those of you who 
>might be exposed to these insects.  With such a high percentage positive, the 
>risk for transmission of Chagas could be high.  
>Let me know if you have any questions.  We are happy to help.
>Best wishes
>Kristy
> 
>I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not 
>unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive.  I have five 
>additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing.  Chagas 
>is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped 
>out in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links 
>on Chagas information. 
> 
>It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how 
>you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
> 
>Geary Schindel  
> 
> 
>http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
> (From San Antonio Express News)
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease    (From Wikipedia)
> 
>http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/   (From Centers for Disease 
>Control)
> 
>http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956  (From Mayo 
>Clinic)
> 
>http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health 
>Organization)
> 
> 
>
>


-- 
Lyndon Tiu

Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas

[Aimee Beveridge]

I am sure this was pointed out earlier but being bitten isn't the problem.  Its 
oral or open wound contact with the infected feces.    
 
 



From: rafal kedzierski 
To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; texas cavers tc  
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
Texas


Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out 
that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only 
trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H. 
sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the 
PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR primers 
used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the primers 
withstood the test of clinical practice?

Rafal Kedzierski
DFW caver
 



From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas


Folks,
 
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve 
in Edwards County, Texas.  This was in support of some research being conducted 
by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine.  Two 
of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured around the porch 
areas.  Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a 
researcher at Baylor.
 
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects 
for Chagas.  We ran the PCRs yesterday.  I wanted to let you know that 3 of the 
4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine.  It was still 
alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took 
the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was 
positive.  This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the 
cabins.  We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify 
the source of the blood meal.  If human, do you know who was in that cabin at 
the time of the collection?  Perhaps we should test those of you who might be 
exposed to these insects.  With such a high percentage positive, the risk for 
transmission of Chagas could be high.  
Let me know if you have any questions.  We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
 
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not 
unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive.  I have five 
additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing.  Chagas 
is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped out 
in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links on 
Chagas information. 
 
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how 
you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
 
Geary Schindel  
 
 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
 (From San Antonio Express News)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease    (From Wikipedia)
 
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/   (From Centers for Disease 
Control)
 
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956  (From Mayo 
Clinic)
 
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health 
Organization)

Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas

[Aimee Beveridge]

I am sure this was pointed out earlier but being bitten isn't the problem.  Its 
oral or open wound contact with the infected feces.    
 
 



From: rafal kedzierski 
To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; texas cavers tc  
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
Texas


Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out 
that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only 
trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H. 
sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the 
PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR primers 
used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the primers 
withstood the test of clinical practice?

Rafal Kedzierski
DFW caver
 



From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas


Folks,
 
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve 
in Edwards County, Texas.  This was in support of some research being conducted 
by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine.  Two 
of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured around the porch 
areas.  Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a 
researcher at Baylor.
 
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects 
for Chagas.  We ran the PCRs yesterday.  I wanted to let you know that 3 of the 
4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine.  It was still 
alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took 
the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was 
positive.  This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the 
cabins.  We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify 
the source of the blood meal.  If human, do you know who was in that cabin at 
the time of the collection?  Perhaps we should test those of you who might be 
exposed to these insects.  With such a high percentage positive, the risk for 
transmission of Chagas could be high.  
Let me know if you have any questions.  We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
 
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not 
unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive.  I have five 
additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing.  Chagas 
is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped out 
in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links on 
Chagas information. 
 
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how 
you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
 
Geary Schindel  
 
 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
 (From San Antonio Express News)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease    (From Wikipedia)
 
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/   (From Centers for Disease 
Control)
 
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956  (From Mayo 
Clinic)
 
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health 
Organization)

Re: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas

[Aimee Beveridge]

I am sure this was pointed out earlier but being bitten isn't the problem.  Its 
oral or open wound contact with the infected feces.    
 
 



From: rafal kedzierski 
To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org; texas cavers tc  
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in 
Texas


Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out 
that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only 
trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H. 
sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the 
PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR primers 
used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the primers 
withstood the test of clinical practice?

Rafal Kedzierski
DFW caver
 



From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas


Folks,
 
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve 
in Edwards County, Texas.  This was in support of some research being conducted 
by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine.  Two 
of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured around the porch 
areas.  Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a 
researcher at Baylor.
 
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects 
for Chagas.  We ran the PCRs yesterday.  I wanted to let you know that 3 of the 
4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine.  It was still 
alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took 
the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was 
positive.  This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the 
cabins.  We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify 
the source of the blood meal.  If human, do you know who was in that cabin at 
the time of the collection?  Perhaps we should test those of you who might be 
exposed to these insects.  With such a high percentage positive, the risk for 
transmission of Chagas could be high.  
Let me know if you have any questions.  We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
 
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not 
unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive.  I have five 
additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing.  Chagas 
is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped out 
in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links on 
Chagas information. 
 
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how 
you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
 
Geary Schindel  
 
 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
 (From San Antonio Express News)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease    (From Wikipedia)
 
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/   (From Centers for Disease 
Control)
 
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956  (From Mayo 
Clinic)
 
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health 
Organization)

[Texascavers] Justin Shaw

[Aimee Beveridge]

Justin, could you contact me offlist 
Thanks
Aimee


On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "George Veni"  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>  
> Below are two important educational announcements. The first is a free web 
> seminar for educators and interested adults. The second is a scholarship for 
> graduate students studying karst geochemistry, geology, or hydrology. Please 
> contact the people below for more information, and share this announcement 
> with anyone you think may be interested.
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> George
>  
> ***
>  
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>  
> ---
>  
> BatLive Free Web Seminar: Caves and Karst - The World Beneath our Feet
>  
> Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
> International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
> 7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
> beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
> unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of 
> becoming extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of 
> ancient life such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground 
> sloths - some of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
>  
> BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
> our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: 
> A Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography 
> and the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark 
> environment, how caves are connected to the surface, how what we do 
> aboveground can impact these fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave 
> fossils may help us protect endangered bats.
>  
> This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
> questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
>  
> Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org  to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
> family!
>  
> Thanks,
> Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
> Monongahela National Forest
> 200 Sycamore Street
> Elkins, WV  26241
> 304-636-1800 ext. 194
>  
> ---
>  
> The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science
>  
> Administered by the Karst Waters Institute
> www.karstwaters.org
>  
> The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science was established in 2002 to 
> recognize the significant karst science contributions of the late William 
> (Bill) L. Wilson.  Bill Wilson used a variety of techniques, and unusual 
> creativity, to tackle some of the most difficult karst science questions in 
> Florida and elsewhere.  He developed a leading karst consulting company in 
> the United States, Subsurface Evaluations, Incorporated.  To stimulate the 
> development of new, energetic, motivated, and creative karst scientists, and 
> to remember the person of Bill Wilson and his dedication to karst science, 
> the scholarship has been established in his memory.  The value of the 
> scholarship as a one-time award is $1,000.
>  
> To apply for the William L. Wilson Scholarship, the following conditions 
> exist:
>  
> 1)  The applicant must be currently enrolled in, or have been accepted 
> into, a masters degree program at an institution of higher education in the 
> United States.  PhD students are not eligible.
>  
> 2)  A written proposal of the planned karst study must be submitted.  It 
> is limited to 1000 words or less for the narrative, not counting figure 
> captions and references.  The research topic should be one concerning karst 
> science, from the field of geochemistry, geology or hydrology.   A very 
> simple budget indicating how the funds would be used should also be included 
> (it does not count in the 1000 word limit).  Applicants are requested to not 
> recycle master’s thesis proposals as applications.
>  
> 3)  Academic transcripts of undergraduate, and any graduate work, should 
> be submitted.  Copies issued to the student by their institution are 
> preferred.
>  
> 4)  Two letters of recommendation, with one of them from the student’s 
> advisor or mentor, should be submitted.  It is requested that these letters 
> be submitted as e-mails by the letter writers.
>  
> 5)  Applications are due by February 15, 2013.  They should be submitted 
> electronically as a single pdf file (application, transcripts, etc.) to:
>  
> Dr. John E. Mylroie
> Department of Geosciences
> Mississippi State University
> Mississippi State, MS  39762
> mylr...@geosci.msstate.edu
>  
> Questions regarding the scholarship should be 

[Texascavers] Justin Shaw

[Aimee Beveridge]

Justin, could you contact me offlist 
Thanks
Aimee


On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "George Veni"  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>  
> Below are two important educational announcements. The first is a free web 
> seminar for educators and interested adults. The second is a scholarship for 
> graduate students studying karst geochemistry, geology, or hydrology. Please 
> contact the people below for more information, and share this announcement 
> with anyone you think may be interested.
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> George
>  
> ***
>  
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>  
> ---
>  
> BatLive Free Web Seminar: Caves and Karst - The World Beneath our Feet
>  
> Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
> International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
> 7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
> beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
> unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of 
> becoming extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of 
> ancient life such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground 
> sloths - some of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
>  
> BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
> our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: 
> A Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography 
> and the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark 
> environment, how caves are connected to the surface, how what we do 
> aboveground can impact these fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave 
> fossils may help us protect endangered bats.
>  
> This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
> questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
>  
> Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org  to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
> family!
>  
> Thanks,
> Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
> Monongahela National Forest
> 200 Sycamore Street
> Elkins, WV  26241
> 304-636-1800 ext. 194
>  
> ---
>  
> The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science
>  
> Administered by the Karst Waters Institute
> www.karstwaters.org
>  
> The William L. Wilson Scholarship in Karst Science was established in 2002 to 
> recognize the significant karst science contributions of the late William 
> (Bill) L. Wilson.  Bill Wilson used a variety of techniques, and unusual 
> creativity, to tackle some of the most difficult karst science questions in 
> Florida and elsewhere.  He developed a leading karst consulting company in 
> the United States, Subsurface Evaluations, Incorporated.  To stimulate the 
> development of new, energetic, motivated, and creative karst scientists, and 
> to remember the person of Bill Wilson and his dedication to karst science, 
> the scholarship has been established in his memory.  The value of the 
> scholarship as a one-time award is $1,000.
>  
> To apply for the William L. Wilson Scholarship, the following conditions 
> exist:
>  
> 1)  The applicant must be currently enrolled in, or have been accepted 
> into, a masters degree program at an institution of higher education in the 
> United States.  PhD students are not eligible.
>  
> 2)  A written proposal of the planned karst study must be submitted.  It 
> is limited to 1000 words or less for the narrative, not counting figure 
> captions and references.  The research topic should be one concerning karst 
> science, from the field of geochemistry, geology or hydrology.   A very 
> simple budget indicating how the funds would be used should also be included 
> (it does not count in the 1000 word limit).  Applicants are requested to not 
> recycle master’s thesis proposals as applications.
>  
> 3)  Academic transcripts of undergraduate, and any graduate work, should 
> be submitted.  Copies issued to the student by their institution are 
> preferred.
>  
> 4)  Two letters of recommendation, with one of them from the student’s 
> advisor or mentor, should be submitted.  It is requested that these letters 
> be submitted as e-mails by the letter writers.
>  
> 5)  Applications are due by February 15, 2013.  They should be submitted 
> electronically as a single pdf file (application, transcripts, etc.) to:
>  
> Dr. John E. Mylroie
> Department of Geosciences
> Mississippi State University
> Mississippi State, MS  39762
> mylr...@geosci.msstate.edu
>  
> Questions regarding the scholarship should be 

[Texascavers] Justin Shaw

[Aimee Beveridge]

Justin, could you contact me offlist 
Thanks
Aimee


On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "George Veni"  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>  
> Below are two important educational announcements. The first is a free web 
> seminar for educators and interested adults. The second is a scholarship for 
> graduate students studying karst geochemistry, geology, or hydrology. Please 
> contact the people below for more information, and share this announcement 
> with anyone you think may be interested.
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> George
>  
> ***
>  
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>  
> ---
>  
> BatLive Free Web Seminar: Caves and Karst - The World Beneath our Feet
>  
> Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
> International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
> 7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
> beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
> unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of 
> becoming extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of 
> ancient life such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground 
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Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[Aimee Beveridge]

 
All,  
 
I gleaned from Freddie's that there is a problem of dissatisifaction with local 
cavers not assisting with the Cave Day events and apparent public display of 
exposured flesh. I can totaly see how that would be frustrating and even chap 
some people's hides, but this seems like a seperate issue that I do not care to 
comment on.  I would like to offer some suggestions about the problems with 
trespassing, drainage issues, and protecting the sensitve habitats within the 
cave. This is an interesting topic.  
 
I'd like to further Carol's suggestion that a debris barrier in the form of 
cobble-sized agregate encased in chain link (the one I am thinking of has 
dimesions of 1.5 ft high x 1 ft wide) could be used to surround the larger 
sinkhole feature and create a permable barrier that would restrict large debris 
yet still allow important recharge to occur.  I have seen some very nice debris 
walls installed outside caves in South Austin.  It could even be designed to 
include a compost colletion area where the debris would breakdown naturally.  
 
About 8 years ago I recall seeing bats roosting in a low passageway in Becks. 
At the time, Mike mentioned that that the cave had no evidence of being used by 
bats historically.  I recall thinking that it was pretty exciting to see them 
expand their habitat into the newly protected preserve.  My memory is sketchy 
but I recall that the low passageway is along the major route to the lower 
parts of the cave and when someone crosses, it invariably disturbs the bat 
roost.  Also, after passing through the low passage, one must bellycrawl over a 
series of water-filled rimstone dams (is this true?).  I can't quite remember 
but I believe there were isopods in the rimstone lined pools.  It got me 
thinking that maybe a cave gate could be installed just outside the low 
passageway so that only the sensitive areas are protected.  Cavers could still 
redily access the other muddy low rock strewn passageway.  Perhaps those more 
familiar with the cave
 to know if my memory serves me correctly. 
 
I'd also venture to say that most cavers are responsible and feel that 
protecting natural resources is of the highest priority. 
 
 
Respectfully, 
Aimee
 
 
 
 
 



From: George D. Nincehelser 
To: C Tiderman  
Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp ; wesley s 
; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update


The entrance is basically a hole straight down.  There's really nowhere to 
divert the debris.

George 



On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, C Tiderman  wrote:

Hi,
>
>i am trying to intrude on a local situation, but I was wondering if there is a 
>way to install a debris diverter that would be set at an angle to the cave 
>entrance to trap and channel material off to the side where it can be removed 
>after a heavy rain?
>  
>Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>From: George D. Nincehelser 
>To: Andy Gluesenkamp  
>
>Cc: wesley s ; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
>
>
>
>Washing out of park trails for a start.
>
>I'm not talking about damage to a gate.  Any gate I've seen would just plug up 
>with debris, restricting water flow and bat access.
>
>Are you actually familiar with the situation?  Have you been there when it is 
>raining heavily and flooding?  Have you been on any of the clean-up trips? 
>
>
>If someone has a solution, I'd be happy to hear it.  As a local resident, 
>member of the MUD, and member of the TCC I'd be happy to champion one.  
>
>
>If there is one.  I know just putting up the typical bat-friendly gate over 
>the opening isn't going to work.  
>
>
>George
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
> wrote:
>
>What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
>that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
>ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?    
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, "George D. Nincehelser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
>>to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.
>>>
>>>As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
>>>engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix. 
>>>
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
>>>attractive nuisance.    Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
>>>figurative) out.    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, "George D. Nincehelser" 
 wrote:


My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought 
about this problem for years. 
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[Aimee Beveridge]

 
All,  
 
I gleaned from Freddie's that there is a problem of dissatisifaction with local 
cavers not assisting with the Cave Day events and apparent public display of 
exposured flesh. I can totaly see how that would be frustrating and even chap 
some people's hides, but this seems like a seperate issue that I do not care to 
comment on.  I would like to offer some suggestions about the problems with 
trespassing, drainage issues, and protecting the sensitve habitats within the 
cave. This is an interesting topic.  
 
I'd like to further Carol's suggestion that a debris barrier in the form of 
cobble-sized agregate encased in chain link (the one I am thinking of has 
dimesions of 1.5 ft high x 1 ft wide) could be used to surround the larger 
sinkhole feature and create a permable barrier that would restrict large debris 
yet still allow important recharge to occur.  I have seen some very nice debris 
walls installed outside caves in South Austin.  It could even be designed to 
include a compost colletion area where the debris would breakdown naturally.  
 
About 8 years ago I recall seeing bats roosting in a low passageway in Becks. 
At the time, Mike mentioned that that the cave had no evidence of being used by 
bats historically.  I recall thinking that it was pretty exciting to see them 
expand their habitat into the newly protected preserve.  My memory is sketchy 
but I recall that the low passageway is along the major route to the lower 
parts of the cave and when someone crosses, it invariably disturbs the bat 
roost.  Also, after passing through the low passage, one must bellycrawl over a 
series of water-filled rimstone dams (is this true?).  I can't quite remember 
but I believe there were isopods in the rimstone lined pools.  It got me 
thinking that maybe a cave gate could be installed just outside the low 
passageway so that only the sensitive areas are protected.  Cavers could still 
redily access the other muddy low rock strewn passageway.  Perhaps those more 
familiar with the cave
 to know if my memory serves me correctly. 
 
I'd also venture to say that most cavers are responsible and feel that 
protecting natural resources is of the highest priority. 
 
 
Respectfully, 
Aimee
 
 
 
 
 



From: George D. Nincehelser 
To: C Tiderman  
Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp ; wesley s 
; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update


The entrance is basically a hole straight down.  There's really nowhere to 
divert the debris.

George 



On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, C Tiderman  wrote:

Hi,
>
>i am trying to intrude on a local situation, but I was wondering if there is a 
>way to install a debris diverter that would be set at an angle to the cave 
>entrance to trap and channel material off to the side where it can be removed 
>after a heavy rain?
>  
>Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>From: George D. Nincehelser 
>To: Andy Gluesenkamp  
>
>Cc: wesley s ; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
>
>
>
>Washing out of park trails for a start.
>
>I'm not talking about damage to a gate.  Any gate I've seen would just plug up 
>with debris, restricting water flow and bat access.
>
>Are you actually familiar with the situation?  Have you been there when it is 
>raining heavily and flooding?  Have you been on any of the clean-up trips? 
>
>
>If someone has a solution, I'd be happy to hear it.  As a local resident, 
>member of the MUD, and member of the TCC I'd be happy to champion one.  
>
>
>If there is one.  I know just putting up the typical bat-friendly gate over 
>the opening isn't going to work.  
>
>
>George
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
> wrote:
>
>What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
>that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
>ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?    
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, "George D. Nincehelser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
>>to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.
>>>
>>>As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
>>>engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix. 
>>>
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
>>>attractive nuisance.    Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
>>>figurative) out.    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, "George D. Nincehelser" 
 wrote:


My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought 
about this problem for years. 
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[Aimee Beveridge]

 
All,  
 
I gleaned from Freddie's that there is a problem of dissatisifaction with local 
cavers not assisting with the Cave Day events and apparent public display of 
exposured flesh. I can totaly see how that would be frustrating and even chap 
some people's hides, but this seems like a seperate issue that I do not care to 
comment on.  I would like to offer some suggestions about the problems with 
trespassing, drainage issues, and protecting the sensitve habitats within the 
cave. This is an interesting topic.  
 
I'd like to further Carol's suggestion that a debris barrier in the form of 
cobble-sized agregate encased in chain link (the one I am thinking of has 
dimesions of 1.5 ft high x 1 ft wide) could be used to surround the larger 
sinkhole feature and create a permable barrier that would restrict large debris 
yet still allow important recharge to occur.  I have seen some very nice debris 
walls installed outside caves in South Austin.  It could even be designed to 
include a compost colletion area where the debris would breakdown naturally.  
 
About 8 years ago I recall seeing bats roosting in a low passageway in Becks. 
At the time, Mike mentioned that that the cave had no evidence of being used by 
bats historically.  I recall thinking that it was pretty exciting to see them 
expand their habitat into the newly protected preserve.  My memory is sketchy 
but I recall that the low passageway is along the major route to the lower 
parts of the cave and when someone crosses, it invariably disturbs the bat 
roost.  Also, after passing through the low passage, one must bellycrawl over a 
series of water-filled rimstone dams (is this true?).  I can't quite remember 
but I believe there were isopods in the rimstone lined pools.  It got me 
thinking that maybe a cave gate could be installed just outside the low 
passageway so that only the sensitive areas are protected.  Cavers could still 
redily access the other muddy low rock strewn passageway.  Perhaps those more 
familiar with the cave
 to know if my memory serves me correctly. 
 
I'd also venture to say that most cavers are responsible and feel that 
protecting natural resources is of the highest priority. 
 
 
Respectfully, 
Aimee
 
 
 
 
 



From: George D. Nincehelser 
To: C Tiderman  
Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp ; wesley s 
; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update


The entrance is basically a hole straight down.  There's really nowhere to 
divert the debris.

George 



On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM, C Tiderman  wrote:

Hi,
>
>i am trying to intrude on a local situation, but I was wondering if there is a 
>way to install a debris diverter that would be set at an angle to the cave 
>entrance to trap and channel material off to the side where it can be removed 
>after a heavy rain?
>  
>Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>From: George D. Nincehelser 
>To: Andy Gluesenkamp  
>
>Cc: wesley s ; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> 
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
>
>
>
>Washing out of park trails for a start.
>
>I'm not talking about damage to a gate.  Any gate I've seen would just plug up 
>with debris, restricting water flow and bat access.
>
>Are you actually familiar with the situation?  Have you been there when it is 
>raining heavily and flooding?  Have you been on any of the clean-up trips? 
>
>
>If someone has a solution, I'd be happy to hear it.  As a local resident, 
>member of the MUD, and member of the TCC I'd be happy to champion one.  
>
>
>If there is one.  I know just putting up the typical bat-friendly gate over 
>the opening isn't going to work.  
>
>
>George
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
> wrote:
>
>What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
>that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
>ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?    
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, "George D. Nincehelser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
>>to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.
>>>
>>>As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
>>>engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix. 
>>>
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
>>>attractive nuisance.    Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
>>>figurative) out.    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, "George D. Nincehelser" 
 wrote:


My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought 
about this problem for years. 
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] travels in Mexico

[Aimee Beveridge]

Wonderful report, Nancy!


On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Nico Escamilla  wrote:

> 
> Where's the like button?
> El viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012, Nancy Weaver escribió:
> Just returned from a 10 day splendid driving trip from Austin to Zacatecas.  
> We had a swift friendly crossing at Laredo, an easy drive on the toll road 
> south.  We spent a couple of days in Real de Catorce, hiking and hanging out 
> with friends then drove to my 72 yr old companion's casita in the mts of 
> Jalisco, between Monte Escobedo (controlled by invisible zetas) and Mexquitic 
> (ditto guzmans)  Rumour has it that occasionally the road between the two 
> towns is contested for ownership;  we saw no sign of that or any other 
> trouble.  Lots of great hiking in the mts and barrancas, visited both towns 
> which were clean prosperous and friendly, drove all over backroad Mexico, 
> then had two delightful days in Ciudad  Zacatecas  - a gorgeous vibrant 
> musical traveler filled city.  Mexico is alive and well and wonderful as ever.
> 
> Nancy
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] travels in Mexico

[Aimee Beveridge]

Wonderful report, Nancy!


On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Nico Escamilla  wrote:

> 
> Where's the like button?
> El viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012, Nancy Weaver escribió:
> Just returned from a 10 day splendid driving trip from Austin to Zacatecas.  
> We had a swift friendly crossing at Laredo, an easy drive on the toll road 
> south.  We spent a couple of days in Real de Catorce, hiking and hanging out 
> with friends then drove to my 72 yr old companion's casita in the mts of 
> Jalisco, between Monte Escobedo (controlled by invisible zetas) and Mexquitic 
> (ditto guzmans)  Rumour has it that occasionally the road between the two 
> towns is contested for ownership;  we saw no sign of that or any other 
> trouble.  Lots of great hiking in the mts and barrancas, visited both towns 
> which were clean prosperous and friendly, drove all over backroad Mexico, 
> then had two delightful days in Ciudad  Zacatecas  - a gorgeous vibrant 
> musical traveler filled city.  Mexico is alive and well and wonderful as ever.
> 
> Nancy
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] travels in Mexico

[Aimee Beveridge]

Wonderful report, Nancy!


On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Nico Escamilla  wrote:

> 
> Where's the like button?
> El viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012, Nancy Weaver escribió:
> Just returned from a 10 day splendid driving trip from Austin to Zacatecas.  
> We had a swift friendly crossing at Laredo, an easy drive on the toll road 
> south.  We spent a couple of days in Real de Catorce, hiking and hanging out 
> with friends then drove to my 72 yr old companion's casita in the mts of 
> Jalisco, between Monte Escobedo (controlled by invisible zetas) and Mexquitic 
> (ditto guzmans)  Rumour has it that occasionally the road between the two 
> towns is contested for ownership;  we saw no sign of that or any other 
> trouble.  Lots of great hiking in the mts and barrancas, visited both towns 
> which were clean prosperous and friendly, drove all over backroad Mexico, 
> then had two delightful days in Ciudad  Zacatecas  - a gorgeous vibrant 
> musical traveler filled city.  Mexico is alive and well and wonderful as ever.
> 
> Nancy
> 
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Re: [tcrcooks] food stuff

[Aimee Beveridge]

Tommy is right, let's not make this more difficult than it has to be. We're in 
the service of the cavers, why not  give the people what they want beef, 
chicken and tofu with some exciting sides.  

My two centavos,  aimee




On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Tommy Joe  wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> Using Pre-Columbian guide lines for Mayan food choices is really limiting.  I 
> question if Terry wants to make vegetarians out of all of us.  Lets move the 
> time line up to the time the white boys landing on the continent, there by 
> increasing our food stock choices.  Thank god they had avocados, I had a 
> stuffed fried avocado the other day and it was gd.
> 
> If not, lets just make it a vegetarian feast.  I do not believe that most of 
> the cavers would like all the peppers we would use or that we will find meat 
> of P-C origin we would like.  Talking about dogs and green peaches.
> 
> My recipe:
> Avocado fried in corn oil with a thin maize coating stuffed with Terry's dog 
> or turkey.  Can I have a little cheese?please
> 
> Tommy Joe
> 
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Re: [tcrcooks] food stuff

[Aimee Beveridge]

Tommy is right, let's not make this more difficult than it has to be. We're in 
the service of the cavers, why not  give the people what they want beef, 
chicken and tofu with some exciting sides.  

My two centavos,  aimee




On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Tommy Joe  wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> Using Pre-Columbian guide lines for Mayan food choices is really limiting.  I 
> question if Terry wants to make vegetarians out of all of us.  Lets move the 
> time line up to the time the white boys landing on the continent, there by 
> increasing our food stock choices.  Thank god they had avocados, I had a 
> stuffed fried avocado the other day and it was gd.
> 
> If not, lets just make it a vegetarian feast.  I do not believe that most of 
> the cavers would like all the peppers we would use or that we will find meat 
> of P-C origin we would like.  Talking about dogs and green peaches.
> 
> My recipe:
> Avocado fried in corn oil with a thin maize coating stuffed with Terry's dog 
> or turkey.  Can I have a little cheese?please
> 
> Tommy Joe
> 
> 
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Re: [tcrcooks] food stuff

[Aimee Beveridge]

Tommy is right, let's not make this more difficult than it has to be. We're in 
the service of the cavers, why not  give the people what they want beef, 
chicken and tofu with some exciting sides.  

My two centavos,  aimee




On Jun 1, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Tommy Joe  wrote:

> Guys,
> 
> Using Pre-Columbian guide lines for Mayan food choices is really limiting.  I 
> question if Terry wants to make vegetarians out of all of us.  Lets move the 
> time line up to the time the white boys landing on the continent, there by 
> increasing our food stock choices.  Thank god they had avocados, I had a 
> stuffed fried avocado the other day and it was gd.
> 
> If not, lets just make it a vegetarian feast.  I do not believe that most of 
> the cavers would like all the peppers we would use or that we will find meat 
> of P-C origin we would like.  Talking about dogs and green peaches.
> 
> My recipe:
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[Texascavers] Avery Ranch Cave Preserve in the news

[Aimee Beveridge]

http://www.statesman.com/news/williamson/sensitive-williamson-county-cavern-systems-feed-salamanders-springs-2236277.html
 
Nestled in a three-lot patch of land in the middle of the Avery Ranch 
neighborhood is a concrete and metal hatch the entrance and only sign of an 
ancient, dripping cave of glistening caramel-colored, calcite-covered limestone 
beneath.
Hundreds of similar karst caverns — 750 in Williamson County alone — honeycomb 
the Central Texas landscape. Water from the ground above seeps through the 
soil, drips down the walls of the caves and into the Edwards Aquifer. It then 
empties through springs back into creeks and streams on the surface.
"It's all connected," said Mike Walsh, president of the Texas Cave Conservancy, 
which owns the Avery Ranch land that covers the cave.
Avery Ranch Cave feeds water to springs that are home to the Jollyville 
salamander — a candidate for the endangered species list and a source of 
tension between Williamson County officials, federal officials and 
environmental groups.
One such spring nearby is home to a "healthy" population of the critters, an 
official said Tuesday.
Walsh and other officials were in far Northwest Austin at the cave Tuesday as 
part of a city-sponsored event promoting Groundwater Awareness Week. More than 
50,000 Austin residents rely on groundwater, city officials said. Most cities 
in Williamson County provide residents a mix of groundwater and surface water, 
according to a representative for the Brazos River Authority, which serves much 
of the county.
The Avery Ranch cavern was closed off for thousands of years before a crew 
attempting to put in sewer lines discovered it in 2001. The U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service then granted the cave conservancy a contract to develop the 
site as an educational show cave. It's open to the public twice a year; April 
14 is the next day for visitors.
Walsh's group helps maintain caves for entities that include Cedar Park, the 
Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District and the Williamson County Conservation 
Foundation.
"Cedar Park is very critical to the watershed," Walsh said. He explained that 
water that enters one Cedar Park cave system — the roughly 1-square-mile 
Buttercup Creek watershed — flows through a series of underground streams and 
then surfaces in springs in the Volente area.
Those springs feed Cypress Creek, which flows into Lake Travis, from which much 
of Austin gets its water, Walsh said.
Water from Avery Ranch Cave also feeds a dozen springs in the area, several of 
which are home to the Jollyville salamander — one of two species of salamander 
that call the county home.
Officials have been fighting the potential endangered species listing, arguing 
the county can maintain the species without federal regulation, which they fear 
will inhibit development in the ever-growing county.
One spring, at the Avery Ranch Golf Course, supports a healthy population of 
salamanders, said Sylvia Pope, a hydrogeologist for the city. She said the 
public golf course is irrigated with water from Brushy Creek and has a pest 
management system that's actually helped the ecosystem.
"Avery Ranch has done a great job," Pope said.
Laurie Dries, a salamander biologist at the City of Austin, said salamanders 
are important because they are good indicators of water quality.
"This whole karst aquifer system is a sensitive system because water runs 
through it so quickly," Dries said. "Those species are adapted to live in that 
environment, so how they're doing tells us a lot about the water."
The city is promoting Groundwater Awareness Week to remind residents to use 
"green" gardening habits — such as using natural compost, as opposed to 
chemical-heavy fertilizers — and emphasize that residents should clean up 
messes, from motor oil to dog waste, said Wendy Morgan of the city's 
groundwater protection department.
"All of that moves through these rocks and becomes part of the groundwater."

[Texascavers] Avery Ranch Cave Preserve in the news

[Aimee Beveridge]

http://www.statesman.com/news/williamson/sensitive-williamson-county-cavern-systems-feed-salamanders-springs-2236277.html
 
Nestled in a three-lot patch of land in the middle of the Avery Ranch 
neighborhood is a concrete and metal hatch the entrance and only sign of an 
ancient, dripping cave of glistening caramel-colored, calcite-covered limestone 
beneath.
Hundreds of similar karst caverns — 750 in Williamson County alone — honeycomb 
the Central Texas landscape. Water from the ground above seeps through the 
soil, drips down the walls of the caves and into the Edwards Aquifer. It then 
empties through springs back into creeks and streams on the surface.
"It's all connected," said Mike Walsh, president of the Texas Cave Conservancy, 
which owns the Avery Ranch land that covers the cave.
Avery Ranch Cave feeds water to springs that are home to the Jollyville 
salamander — a candidate for the endangered species list and a source of 
tension between Williamson County officials, federal officials and 
environmental groups.
One such spring nearby is home to a "healthy" population of the critters, an 
official said Tuesday.
Walsh and other officials were in far Northwest Austin at the cave Tuesday as 
part of a city-sponsored event promoting Groundwater Awareness Week. More than 
50,000 Austin residents rely on groundwater, city officials said. Most cities 
in Williamson County provide residents a mix of groundwater and surface water, 
according to a representative for the Brazos River Authority, which serves much 
of the county.
The Avery Ranch cavern was closed off for thousands of years before a crew 
attempting to put in sewer lines discovered it in 2001. The U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service then granted the cave conservancy a contract to develop the 
site as an educational show cave. It's open to the public twice a year; April 
14 is the next day for visitors.
Walsh's group helps maintain caves for entities that include Cedar Park, the 
Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District and the Williamson County Conservation 
Foundation.
"Cedar Park is very critical to the watershed," Walsh said. He explained that 
water that enters one Cedar Park cave system — the roughly 1-square-mile 
Buttercup Creek watershed — flows through a series of underground streams and 
then surfaces in springs in the Volente area.
Those springs feed Cypress Creek, which flows into Lake Travis, from which much 
of Austin gets its water, Walsh said.
Water from Avery Ranch Cave also feeds a dozen springs in the area, several of 
which are home to the Jollyville salamander — one of two species of salamander 
that call the county home.
Officials have been fighting the potential endangered species listing, arguing 
the county can maintain the species without federal regulation, which they fear 
will inhibit development in the ever-growing county.
One spring, at the Avery Ranch Golf Course, supports a healthy population of 
salamanders, said Sylvia Pope, a hydrogeologist for the city. She said the 
public golf course is irrigated with water from Brushy Creek and has a pest 
management system that's actually helped the ecosystem.
"Avery Ranch has done a great job," Pope said.
Laurie Dries, a salamander biologist at the City of Austin, said salamanders 
are important because they are good indicators of water quality.
"This whole karst aquifer system is a sensitive system because water runs 
through it so quickly," Dries said. "Those species are adapted to live in that 
environment, so how they're doing tells us a lot about the water."
The city is promoting Groundwater Awareness Week to remind residents to use 
"green" gardening habits — such as using natural compost, as opposed to 
chemical-heavy fertilizers — and emphasize that residents should clean up 
messes, from motor oil to dog waste, said Wendy Morgan of the city's 
groundwater protection department.
"All of that moves through these rocks and becomes part of the groundwater."

[Texascavers] Avery Ranch Cave Preserve in the news

[Aimee Beveridge]

http://www.statesman.com/news/williamson/sensitive-williamson-county-cavern-systems-feed-salamanders-springs-2236277.html
 
Nestled in a three-lot patch of land in the middle of the Avery Ranch 
neighborhood is a concrete and metal hatch the entrance and only sign of an 
ancient, dripping cave of glistening caramel-colored, calcite-covered limestone 
beneath.
Hundreds of similar karst caverns — 750 in Williamson County alone — honeycomb 
the Central Texas landscape. Water from the ground above seeps through the 
soil, drips down the walls of the caves and into the Edwards Aquifer. It then 
empties through springs back into creeks and streams on the surface.
"It's all connected," said Mike Walsh, president of the Texas Cave Conservancy, 
which owns the Avery Ranch land that covers the cave.
Avery Ranch Cave feeds water to springs that are home to the Jollyville 
salamander — a candidate for the endangered species list and a source of 
tension between Williamson County officials, federal officials and 
environmental groups.
One such spring nearby is home to a "healthy" population of the critters, an 
official said Tuesday.
Walsh and other officials were in far Northwest Austin at the cave Tuesday as 
part of a city-sponsored event promoting Groundwater Awareness Week. More than 
50,000 Austin residents rely on groundwater, city officials said. Most cities 
in Williamson County provide residents a mix of groundwater and surface water, 
according to a representative for the Brazos River Authority, which serves much 
of the county.
The Avery Ranch cavern was closed off for thousands of years before a crew 
attempting to put in sewer lines discovered it in 2001. The U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife Service then granted the cave conservancy a contract to develop the 
site as an educational show cave. It's open to the public twice a year; April 
14 is the next day for visitors.
Walsh's group helps maintain caves for entities that include Cedar Park, the 
Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District and the Williamson County Conservation 
Foundation.
"Cedar Park is very critical to the watershed," Walsh said. He explained that 
water that enters one Cedar Park cave system — the roughly 1-square-mile 
Buttercup Creek watershed — flows through a series of underground streams and 
then surfaces in springs in the Volente area.
Those springs feed Cypress Creek, which flows into Lake Travis, from which much 
of Austin gets its water, Walsh said.
Water from Avery Ranch Cave also feeds a dozen springs in the area, several of 
which are home to the Jollyville salamander — one of two species of salamander 
that call the county home.
Officials have been fighting the potential endangered species listing, arguing 
the county can maintain the species without federal regulation, which they fear 
will inhibit development in the ever-growing county.
One spring, at the Avery Ranch Golf Course, supports a healthy population of 
salamanders, said Sylvia Pope, a hydrogeologist for the city. She said the 
public golf course is irrigated with water from Brushy Creek and has a pest 
management system that's actually helped the ecosystem.
"Avery Ranch has done a great job," Pope said.
Laurie Dries, a salamander biologist at the City of Austin, said salamanders 
are important because they are good indicators of water quality.
"This whole karst aquifer system is a sensitive system because water runs 
through it so quickly," Dries said. "Those species are adapted to live in that 
environment, so how they're doing tells us a lot about the water."
The city is promoting Groundwater Awareness Week to remind residents to use 
"green" gardening habits — such as using natural compost, as opposed to 
chemical-heavy fertilizers — and emphasize that residents should clean up 
messes, from motor oil to dog waste, said Wendy Morgan of the city's 
groundwater protection department.
"All of that moves through these rocks and becomes part of the groundwater."

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

[Aimee Beveridge]

We observed a layer of cave ice on the water in cave without a name upstream 
passage this January. I don't recall seeing any on trips we did back in 2000. 



On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

>In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I 
> remember breaking through calcite ice that had formed a solid layer on the 
> surface of the water in active stream passage.  We crunched through it 
> sinking large pieces as we walked.  A few months later when we returned the 
> solid layer of calcite had already reformed on the water.  I do not remember 
> the times of year that those trips took place, but obviously calcite 
> rafts/ice can form very rapidly under optimal conditions.
> 
> Mark
> 
> At 04:36 PM 2/13/2012, George Veni wrote:
>> I've been thinking a lot about Snowy, and its situation is different from
>> Honey Creek. Calcite precipitation on the floor of Honey Creek occurs mostly
>> by sunken rafts, whereas calcite in Snowy is precipitated as a crystalline
>> layer on the submerged walls and floors. The basic geochemical equations and
>> processes are the same, but there are some important differences that affect
>> the methods of deposition. I've not seen any water chemistry data for Snowy
>> and no such data exists for how the water evolves as it flows down the
>> passage. Also missing, at least to my eyes, is information on carbon dioxide
>> in the air and water at Snowy. Lastly, the source area for Honey Creek's
>> water is fairly well understood, which is not the case for Snowy.
>> 
>> I'm not discouraging research, only pointing out how much more needs to be
>> done. So much karst. So little time...
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:caverp...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 13:26
>> To: gv...@nckri.org
>> Cc: 'texas cavers'
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation
>> 
>> George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of
>> the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in
>> SR during a "flood event" in the really dry NM area, and that apparently
>> happens only 2-4 times in a 10 year period due mostly to heavy rains and
>> heavy snow melts.
>> 
>> So we have two "Laboratory Caves" here, one in dry NM, and the other in a
>> much wetter TX area.
>> 
>>  - Pete
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:17 PM, George Veni wrote:
>> 
>> Measurements I made of soil and cave air carbon dioxide during my
>> dissertation research in the Honey Creek area show a strong positive
>> correlation between spring-summer plant growth and increases in cave air
>> carbon dioxide. Studies in other areas have shown the same thing.
>> 
>> You are correct that the water temperature has an effect, as do seasonal
>> changes in water chemistry, both of which I didn't mention for the sake of
>> brevity. I would expect that a decrease in temperature would result in
>> dissolution of the rafts rather than the precipitation we see. However,
>> because the water temperature has usually come close to equilibrating with
>> the temperature of the surrounding mass of rock and water by the time we see
>> it in the areas where rafts are deposited, I would also expect any
>> temperature effects to be minor given the small decrease in temperature. I
>> have measured significant changes in carbon dioxide and know that is
>> certainly a major factor.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to run a "standard" example of the cave's water
>> chemistry values through a geochemical model and tweak the temperature and
>> carbon dioxide levels over a series of iterations to predict how much of a
>> change in temperature or carbon dioxide would be needed to affect raft
>> deposition one way or the other.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40
>> To: 
>> Cc: texas cavers
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation
>> 
>> > The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given
>> > time depends mostly on:
>> > . How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines
>> how many rafts will accumulate floating on the water;
>> > . How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floating
>> rafts where they can be seen, or wash them away or bur

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

[Aimee Beveridge]

We observed a layer of cave ice on the water in cave without a name upstream 
passage this January. I don't recall seeing any on trips we did back in 2000. 



On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

>In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I 
> remember breaking through calcite ice that had formed a solid layer on the 
> surface of the water in active stream passage.  We crunched through it 
> sinking large pieces as we walked.  A few months later when we returned the 
> solid layer of calcite had already reformed on the water.  I do not remember 
> the times of year that those trips took place, but obviously calcite 
> rafts/ice can form very rapidly under optimal conditions.
> 
> Mark
> 
> At 04:36 PM 2/13/2012, George Veni wrote:
>> I've been thinking a lot about Snowy, and its situation is different from
>> Honey Creek. Calcite precipitation on the floor of Honey Creek occurs mostly
>> by sunken rafts, whereas calcite in Snowy is precipitated as a crystalline
>> layer on the submerged walls and floors. The basic geochemical equations and
>> processes are the same, but there are some important differences that affect
>> the methods of deposition. I've not seen any water chemistry data for Snowy
>> and no such data exists for how the water evolves as it flows down the
>> passage. Also missing, at least to my eyes, is information on carbon dioxide
>> in the air and water at Snowy. Lastly, the source area for Honey Creek's
>> water is fairly well understood, which is not the case for Snowy.
>> 
>> I'm not discouraging research, only pointing out how much more needs to be
>> done. So much karst. So little time...
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:caverp...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 13:26
>> To: gv...@nckri.org
>> Cc: 'texas cavers'
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation
>> 
>> George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of
>> the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in
>> SR during a "flood event" in the really dry NM area, and that apparently
>> happens only 2-4 times in a 10 year period due mostly to heavy rains and
>> heavy snow melts.
>> 
>> So we have two "Laboratory Caves" here, one in dry NM, and the other in a
>> much wetter TX area.
>> 
>>  - Pete
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:17 PM, George Veni wrote:
>> 
>> Measurements I made of soil and cave air carbon dioxide during my
>> dissertation research in the Honey Creek area show a strong positive
>> correlation between spring-summer plant growth and increases in cave air
>> carbon dioxide. Studies in other areas have shown the same thing.
>> 
>> You are correct that the water temperature has an effect, as do seasonal
>> changes in water chemistry, both of which I didn't mention for the sake of
>> brevity. I would expect that a decrease in temperature would result in
>> dissolution of the rafts rather than the precipitation we see. However,
>> because the water temperature has usually come close to equilibrating with
>> the temperature of the surrounding mass of rock and water by the time we see
>> it in the areas where rafts are deposited, I would also expect any
>> temperature effects to be minor given the small decrease in temperature. I
>> have measured significant changes in carbon dioxide and know that is
>> certainly a major factor.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to run a "standard" example of the cave's water
>> chemistry values through a geochemical model and tweak the temperature and
>> carbon dioxide levels over a series of iterations to predict how much of a
>> change in temperature or carbon dioxide would be needed to affect raft
>> deposition one way or the other.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40
>> To: 
>> Cc: texas cavers
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation
>> 
>> > The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given
>> > time depends mostly on:
>> > . How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines
>> how many rafts will accumulate floating on the water;
>> > . How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floating
>> rafts where they can be seen, or wash them away or bur

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

[Aimee Beveridge]

We observed a layer of cave ice on the water in cave without a name upstream 
passage this January. I don't recall seeing any on trips we did back in 2000. 



On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

>In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I 
> remember breaking through calcite ice that had formed a solid layer on the 
> surface of the water in active stream passage.  We crunched through it 
> sinking large pieces as we walked.  A few months later when we returned the 
> solid layer of calcite had already reformed on the water.  I do not remember 
> the times of year that those trips took place, but obviously calcite 
> rafts/ice can form very rapidly under optimal conditions.
> 
> Mark
> 
> At 04:36 PM 2/13/2012, George Veni wrote:
>> I've been thinking a lot about Snowy, and its situation is different from
>> Honey Creek. Calcite precipitation on the floor of Honey Creek occurs mostly
>> by sunken rafts, whereas calcite in Snowy is precipitated as a crystalline
>> layer on the submerged walls and floors. The basic geochemical equations and
>> processes are the same, but there are some important differences that affect
>> the methods of deposition. I've not seen any water chemistry data for Snowy
>> and no such data exists for how the water evolves as it flows down the
>> passage. Also missing, at least to my eyes, is information on carbon dioxide
>> in the air and water at Snowy. Lastly, the source area for Honey Creek's
>> water is fairly well understood, which is not the case for Snowy.
>> 
>> I'm not discouraging research, only pointing out how much more needs to be
>> done. So much karst. So little time...
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:caverp...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 13:26
>> To: gv...@nckri.org
>> Cc: 'texas cavers'
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation
>> 
>> George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of
>> the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in
>> SR during a "flood event" in the really dry NM area, and that apparently
>> happens only 2-4 times in a 10 year period due mostly to heavy rains and
>> heavy snow melts.
>> 
>> So we have two "Laboratory Caves" here, one in dry NM, and the other in a
>> much wetter TX area.
>> 
>>  - Pete
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:17 PM, George Veni wrote:
>> 
>> Measurements I made of soil and cave air carbon dioxide during my
>> dissertation research in the Honey Creek area show a strong positive
>> correlation between spring-summer plant growth and increases in cave air
>> carbon dioxide. Studies in other areas have shown the same thing.
>> 
>> You are correct that the water temperature has an effect, as do seasonal
>> changes in water chemistry, both of which I didn't mention for the sake of
>> brevity. I would expect that a decrease in temperature would result in
>> dissolution of the rafts rather than the precipitation we see. However,
>> because the water temperature has usually come close to equilibrating with
>> the temperature of the surrounding mass of rock and water by the time we see
>> it in the areas where rafts are deposited, I would also expect any
>> temperature effects to be minor given the small decrease in temperature. I
>> have measured significant changes in carbon dioxide and know that is
>> certainly a major factor.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to run a "standard" example of the cave's water
>> chemistry values through a geochemical model and tweak the temperature and
>> carbon dioxide levels over a series of iterations to predict how much of a
>> change in temperature or carbon dioxide would be needed to affect raft
>> deposition one way or the other.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>> George Veni, Ph.D.
>> Executive Director
>> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
>> Office: 575-887-5517
>> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>> Fax: 575-887-5523
>> gv...@nckri.org
>> www.nckri.org
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu]
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:40
>> To: 
>> Cc: texas cavers
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation
>> 
>> > The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given
>> > time depends mostly on:
>> > . How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines
>> how many rafts will accumulate floating on the water;
>> > . How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floating
>> rafts where they can be seen, or wash them away or bur

[Texascavers] Hiding in a cave

[Aimee Beveridge]

 Sad Cave story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16693432
Mexico strikes Sinaloa cartel as Cabrera Sarabria shot
 Ten of the detained were paraded in front of journalists, another suspect is 
in hospital. 
Mexico's drugs war
* The Mexican security forces have arrested 11 alleged members of the 
country's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa cartel. 
They said those detained worked for Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the most wanted 
man in Mexico. 
They were arrested during a helicopter raid on a ranch in the north-western 
state of Durango on Friday.
During the raid, elite troops killed the regional leader of the gang, Luis 
Alberto Cabrera Sarabia. 
The security forces said his death was a severe blow to the Sinaloa cartel's 
operations in Durango and Chihuahua.
Mr Cabrera Sarabia is accused of having controlled much of the drug trafficking 
in the two northern states. 
Defence spokesman Gen Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said the security forces located 
the ranch where Mr Cabrera Sarabia was staying last week. 
A special operations team moved in on Friday and were fired on, Gen Trevilla 
Trejo said.
He said that Mr Cabrera Sarabia managed to escape along with his bodyguard, 
hiding in a cave in a mountainous area near the ranch.
'Family business'
Mr Cabrera Sarabia was killed in a firefight as the special operations team 
moved in on the cave, the general said. 
Three members of the security forces were injured in the operation.
At the ranch, soldiers found more than a dozen long-range weapons and more than 
4,000 rounds of ammunition, as well as armoured cars and communication 
equipment.
Gen Trevilla Trejo said Mr Cabrera Sarabia had been personally chosen to head 
the Sinaloa cartel's operations in the region by its leader Joaquin "Shorty" 
Guzman.
He was appointed only last month, after the arrest of the previous regional 
leader, Luis Alberto Cabrera Sarabia's brother, Felipe.
The Sinaloa cartel controls much of the flow of cocaine, marijuana and 
methamphetamines into the United States via air, land and sea, and is believed 
to have links in as many as 50 countries.
Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman was jailed in 1993 but escaped his maximum-security 
prison in a laundry basket eight years later, embarrassing and eluding the 
authorities ever since.

[Texascavers] Hiding in a cave

[Aimee Beveridge]

 Sad Cave story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16693432
Mexico strikes Sinaloa cartel as Cabrera Sarabria shot
 Ten of the detained were paraded in front of journalists, another suspect is 
in hospital. 
Mexico's drugs war
* The Mexican security forces have arrested 11 alleged members of the 
country's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa cartel. 
They said those detained worked for Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the most wanted 
man in Mexico. 
They were arrested during a helicopter raid on a ranch in the north-western 
state of Durango on Friday.
During the raid, elite troops killed the regional leader of the gang, Luis 
Alberto Cabrera Sarabia. 
The security forces said his death was a severe blow to the Sinaloa cartel's 
operations in Durango and Chihuahua.
Mr Cabrera Sarabia is accused of having controlled much of the drug trafficking 
in the two northern states. 
Defence spokesman Gen Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said the security forces located 
the ranch where Mr Cabrera Sarabia was staying last week. 
A special operations team moved in on Friday and were fired on, Gen Trevilla 
Trejo said.
He said that Mr Cabrera Sarabia managed to escape along with his bodyguard, 
hiding in a cave in a mountainous area near the ranch.
'Family business'
Mr Cabrera Sarabia was killed in a firefight as the special operations team 
moved in on the cave, the general said. 
Three members of the security forces were injured in the operation.
At the ranch, soldiers found more than a dozen long-range weapons and more than 
4,000 rounds of ammunition, as well as armoured cars and communication 
equipment.
Gen Trevilla Trejo said Mr Cabrera Sarabia had been personally chosen to head 
the Sinaloa cartel's operations in the region by its leader Joaquin "Shorty" 
Guzman.
He was appointed only last month, after the arrest of the previous regional 
leader, Luis Alberto Cabrera Sarabia's brother, Felipe.
The Sinaloa cartel controls much of the flow of cocaine, marijuana and 
methamphetamines into the United States via air, land and sea, and is believed 
to have links in as many as 50 countries.
Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman was jailed in 1993 but escaped his maximum-security 
prison in a laundry basket eight years later, embarrassing and eluding the 
authorities ever since.

[Texascavers] Hiding in a cave

[Aimee Beveridge]

 Sad Cave story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16693432
Mexico strikes Sinaloa cartel as Cabrera Sarabria shot
 Ten of the detained were paraded in front of journalists, another suspect is 
in hospital. 
Mexico's drugs war
* The Mexican security forces have arrested 11 alleged members of the 
country's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa cartel. 
They said those detained worked for Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the most wanted 
man in Mexico. 
They were arrested during a helicopter raid on a ranch in the north-western 
state of Durango on Friday.
During the raid, elite troops killed the regional leader of the gang, Luis 
Alberto Cabrera Sarabia. 
The security forces said his death was a severe blow to the Sinaloa cartel's 
operations in Durango and Chihuahua.
Mr Cabrera Sarabia is accused of having controlled much of the drug trafficking 
in the two northern states. 
Defence spokesman Gen Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said the security forces located 
the ranch where Mr Cabrera Sarabia was staying last week. 
A special operations team moved in on Friday and were fired on, Gen Trevilla 
Trejo said.
He said that Mr Cabrera Sarabia managed to escape along with his bodyguard, 
hiding in a cave in a mountainous area near the ranch.
'Family business'
Mr Cabrera Sarabia was killed in a firefight as the special operations team 
moved in on the cave, the general said. 
Three members of the security forces were injured in the operation.
At the ranch, soldiers found more than a dozen long-range weapons and more than 
4,000 rounds of ammunition, as well as armoured cars and communication 
equipment.
Gen Trevilla Trejo said Mr Cabrera Sarabia had been personally chosen to head 
the Sinaloa cartel's operations in the region by its leader Joaquin "Shorty" 
Guzman.
He was appointed only last month, after the arrest of the previous regional 
leader, Luis Alberto Cabrera Sarabia's brother, Felipe.
The Sinaloa cartel controls much of the flow of cocaine, marijuana and 
methamphetamines into the United States via air, land and sea, and is believed 
to have links in as many as 50 countries.
Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman was jailed in 1993 but escaped his maximum-security 
prison in a laundry basket eight years later, embarrassing and eluding the 
authorities ever since.

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Cooks thanks...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I want to thank all the Chief Cookies for making it all go so smoothly, 
especially,Mr. Holsinger for the super squash recipe.  Yum! 


It was a great feed.  The menu is a very nice addition.  ASS did a good job 
helping.  


One suggestion for next year: get someone parked in the front of the line to 
sit and watch to make sure everyone has their bracelets on.  There were a few 
(eating with the cooks no less) that had not paid.  


Anyway, there will always be those that feel entitled I guess.  Or, maybe, just 
maybe they really wanted to pay but the registration gurus had stepped away.  


Aimee





From: Heather Tucek 
To: Allan B. Cobb 
Cc: Stefan Creaser ; Cavers Texas 

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Cooks thanks...


And thank you for everyone who stayed afterwards and cleaned up!!!


>
>
>
>All,
>> 
>>The big feed on Saturday would not have happened without the extreme 
>>generosity of one person and the hard work of two others.
>> 
>>Please give a *big* thanks to Don Arburn for donating the beef!!!
>> 
>>And another to Vico Jones for butchering the steer, AND the pig (and cooking 
>>it). Sorry to those who haven’t seen the cow butchering video on facebook (or 
>>not, it was graphic!).
>> 
>>Finally to Terry Holsinger who did the majority of the legwork in getting all 
>>the food bits together. I hope you all saw the Pirate menu or read the 
>>description cards of the dishes :-)
>> 
>> 
>>And of course please thank your cooks for slaving all day over hot burners 
>>and cutting boards, and all the time before hand in putting it together…
>> 
>>Denise Prendergast and Jocie Hooper – coconut bars (Pieces of Eight)
>>Matt Zappitello (w/Crystal LeBoeuf) – Pineapple Upsidedown cake (Cabin Boy’s 
>>Delight)
>>Aimee Beveridge (w/?) – Cup cakes (Kraken Snacks)
>> 
>>Heather Tucek – Fruit Salad (Seadog Salad)
>>Leslie Bell – Green Salad (Jewel o’ t’ Eart’ Salad)
>>Terry Holsinger (w/Sandi Calhoun) – Rice and Peas (Cat o’ nine tails)
>>Terry Holsinger – Beans & Tomatos (Drawn and Quartered)
>> 
>>Galen Falgout** – Escoveech Fish (Shore Leave)
>>Terry Holsinger – Caribbean Style Chicken (Scurvy Island Chicken)
>>Vico Jones – Whole Roasted Pig (The Last Mutineer)
>>Aimee Beveridge – Spicy Punkin Curry (Parrot’s Booty)
>>Umm – Caribbean Beef Stew (Scalawags Surprise)
>> 
>>Galen Falgout** (w/Heather Tucek) – Spinners (Rotten Doubloons)
>> 
>>(** Galen said to me a few weeks ago that he’d like to help, but didn’t want 
>>to do/own a whole dish. So he ended up doing two!! We appreciate that!)
>> 
>>And to their many helpers for 
>>cutting/slicing/chopping/stirring/frying/turning/opening/etc.
>> 
>>And to ASS for serving it all (and pulling that together, it’s more 
>>complicated than you think!!), and for generally being awesome for doing a 
>>lot of final prep and help for various dishes – Smoked beef and sausage 
>>slices, for instance.
>> 
>>Thanks y’all, and very much so from me.
>> 
>>Stefan
>>(Chief Cook and Bottle Washer).
>> 
>>-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
>>confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
>>recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the 
>>contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the 
>>information in any medium. Thank you.
>> 


-- 
Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.org

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Cooks thanks...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I want to thank all the Chief Cookies for making it all go so smoothly, 
especially,Mr. Holsinger for the super squash recipe.  Yum! 


It was a great feed.  The menu is a very nice addition.  ASS did a good job 
helping.  


One suggestion for next year: get someone parked in the front of the line to 
sit and watch to make sure everyone has their bracelets on.  There were a few 
(eating with the cooks no less) that had not paid.  


Anyway, there will always be those that feel entitled I guess.  Or, maybe, just 
maybe they really wanted to pay but the registration gurus had stepped away.  


Aimee





From: Heather Tucek 
To: Allan B. Cobb 
Cc: Stefan Creaser ; Cavers Texas 

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Cooks thanks...


And thank you for everyone who stayed afterwards and cleaned up!!!


>
>
>
>All,
>> 
>>The big feed on Saturday would not have happened without the extreme 
>>generosity of one person and the hard work of two others.
>> 
>>Please give a *big* thanks to Don Arburn for donating the beef!!!
>> 
>>And another to Vico Jones for butchering the steer, AND the pig (and cooking 
>>it). Sorry to those who haven’t seen the cow butchering video on facebook (or 
>>not, it was graphic!).
>> 
>>Finally to Terry Holsinger who did the majority of the legwork in getting all 
>>the food bits together. I hope you all saw the Pirate menu or read the 
>>description cards of the dishes :-)
>> 
>> 
>>And of course please thank your cooks for slaving all day over hot burners 
>>and cutting boards, and all the time before hand in putting it together…
>> 
>>Denise Prendergast and Jocie Hooper – coconut bars (Pieces of Eight)
>>Matt Zappitello (w/Crystal LeBoeuf) – Pineapple Upsidedown cake (Cabin Boy’s 
>>Delight)
>>Aimee Beveridge (w/?) – Cup cakes (Kraken Snacks)
>> 
>>Heather Tucek – Fruit Salad (Seadog Salad)
>>Leslie Bell – Green Salad (Jewel o’ t’ Eart’ Salad)
>>Terry Holsinger (w/Sandi Calhoun) – Rice and Peas (Cat o’ nine tails)
>>Terry Holsinger – Beans & Tomatos (Drawn and Quartered)
>> 
>>Galen Falgout** – Escoveech Fish (Shore Leave)
>>Terry Holsinger – Caribbean Style Chicken (Scurvy Island Chicken)
>>Vico Jones – Whole Roasted Pig (The Last Mutineer)
>>Aimee Beveridge – Spicy Punkin Curry (Parrot’s Booty)
>>Umm – Caribbean Beef Stew (Scalawags Surprise)
>> 
>>Galen Falgout** (w/Heather Tucek) – Spinners (Rotten Doubloons)
>> 
>>(** Galen said to me a few weeks ago that he’d like to help, but didn’t want 
>>to do/own a whole dish. So he ended up doing two!! We appreciate that!)
>> 
>>And to their many helpers for 
>>cutting/slicing/chopping/stirring/frying/turning/opening/etc.
>> 
>>And to ASS for serving it all (and pulling that together, it’s more 
>>complicated than you think!!), and for generally being awesome for doing a 
>>lot of final prep and help for various dishes – Smoked beef and sausage 
>>slices, for instance.
>> 
>>Thanks y’all, and very much so from me.
>> 
>>Stefan
>>(Chief Cook and Bottle Washer).
>> 
>>-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
>>confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
>>recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the 
>>contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the 
>>information in any medium. Thank you.
>> 


-- 
Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.org

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Cooks thanks...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I want to thank all the Chief Cookies for making it all go so smoothly, 
especially,Mr. Holsinger for the super squash recipe.  Yum! 


It was a great feed.  The menu is a very nice addition.  ASS did a good job 
helping.  


One suggestion for next year: get someone parked in the front of the line to 
sit and watch to make sure everyone has their bracelets on.  There were a few 
(eating with the cooks no less) that had not paid.  


Anyway, there will always be those that feel entitled I guess.  Or, maybe, just 
maybe they really wanted to pay but the registration gurus had stepped away.  


Aimee





From: Heather Tucek 
To: Allan B. Cobb 
Cc: Stefan Creaser ; Cavers Texas 

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Cooks thanks...


And thank you for everyone who stayed afterwards and cleaned up!!!


>
>
>
>All,
>> 
>>The big feed on Saturday would not have happened without the extreme 
>>generosity of one person and the hard work of two others.
>> 
>>Please give a *big* thanks to Don Arburn for donating the beef!!!
>> 
>>And another to Vico Jones for butchering the steer, AND the pig (and cooking 
>>it). Sorry to those who haven’t seen the cow butchering video on facebook (or 
>>not, it was graphic!).
>> 
>>Finally to Terry Holsinger who did the majority of the legwork in getting all 
>>the food bits together. I hope you all saw the Pirate menu or read the 
>>description cards of the dishes :-)
>> 
>> 
>>And of course please thank your cooks for slaving all day over hot burners 
>>and cutting boards, and all the time before hand in putting it together…
>> 
>>Denise Prendergast and Jocie Hooper – coconut bars (Pieces of Eight)
>>Matt Zappitello (w/Crystal LeBoeuf) – Pineapple Upsidedown cake (Cabin Boy’s 
>>Delight)
>>Aimee Beveridge (w/?) – Cup cakes (Kraken Snacks)
>> 
>>Heather Tucek – Fruit Salad (Seadog Salad)
>>Leslie Bell – Green Salad (Jewel o’ t’ Eart’ Salad)
>>Terry Holsinger (w/Sandi Calhoun) – Rice and Peas (Cat o’ nine tails)
>>Terry Holsinger – Beans & Tomatos (Drawn and Quartered)
>> 
>>Galen Falgout** – Escoveech Fish (Shore Leave)
>>Terry Holsinger – Caribbean Style Chicken (Scurvy Island Chicken)
>>Vico Jones – Whole Roasted Pig (The Last Mutineer)
>>Aimee Beveridge – Spicy Punkin Curry (Parrot’s Booty)
>>Umm – Caribbean Beef Stew (Scalawags Surprise)
>> 
>>Galen Falgout** (w/Heather Tucek) – Spinners (Rotten Doubloons)
>> 
>>(** Galen said to me a few weeks ago that he’d like to help, but didn’t want 
>>to do/own a whole dish. So he ended up doing two!! We appreciate that!)
>> 
>>And to their many helpers for 
>>cutting/slicing/chopping/stirring/frying/turning/opening/etc.
>> 
>>And to ASS for serving it all (and pulling that together, it’s more 
>>complicated than you think!!), and for generally being awesome for doing a 
>>lot of final prep and help for various dishes – Smoked beef and sausage 
>>slices, for instance.
>> 
>>Thanks y’all, and very much so from me.
>> 
>>Stefan
>>(Chief Cook and Bottle Washer).
>> 
>>-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
>>confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
>>recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the 
>>contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the 
>>information in any medium. Thank you.
>> 


-- 
Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.org

[Texascavers] Rod Goke

[Aimee Beveridge]

>
> 
>
>http://www.memorialparkfuneralandcemetery.com/obituary/user/show/template?id=47729

[Texascavers] Rod Goke

[Aimee Beveridge]

>
> 
>
>http://www.memorialparkfuneralandcemetery.com/obituary/user/show/template?id=47729

[Texascavers] Rod Goke

[Aimee Beveridge]

>
> 
>
>http://www.memorialparkfuneralandcemetery.com/obituary/user/show/template?id=47729

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

About 3 doz at least. 



On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Denise P  wrote:

> Cool. How many will that make?
>  
> -Denise
>  
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:35:14 -0700
> From: aim...@yahoo.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
> hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you 
> guys? 
> 
> From: Denise P 
> To: Stefan Creaser 
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be 
> lucky to make it back in town for TCR.
>  
> -Denise
>  
> > From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> > mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> > ready made. Ideas?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> > From:  
> > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > To:  
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; 
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> >  
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16. So, that gives 
> > us 64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron 
> > skillets. So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll 
> > still need to make sure they have the skillets.
> > 
> > 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how 
> > many servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone 
> > recruit a person to make more cakes?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> > 
> > > From:  
> > > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> > > To:  
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com; 
> > >  
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> > >  
> > > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > 
> > > CC:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > >  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > >
> > > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make 
> > > at least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 
> > > 5 Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can 
> > > rustle up. Jocie
> > >  Denise P 
> > > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > > >
> > > > -Denise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
> > > > From:  
> > > > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > > > To:  
> > > > stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > > > CC:  
> > > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > > >  
> > > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake? I can 
> > > > probably make 2 or 4 if you want. What details do you need from me 
> > > > concerning the recipe?
> > > >
> > > > --Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser 
> > > > <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
> > > > high.
> > > >
> > > > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after 
> > > > processing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From:  
> > > > ga

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

About 3 doz at least. 



On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Denise P  wrote:

> Cool. How many will that make?
>  
> -Denise
>  
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:35:14 -0700
> From: aim...@yahoo.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
> hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you 
> guys? 
> 
> From: Denise P 
> To: Stefan Creaser 
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be 
> lucky to make it back in town for TCR.
>  
> -Denise
>  
> > From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> > mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> > ready made. Ideas?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> > From:  
> > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > To:  
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; 
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> >  
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16. So, that gives 
> > us 64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron 
> > skillets. So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll 
> > still need to make sure they have the skillets.
> > 
> > 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how 
> > many servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone 
> > recruit a person to make more cakes?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> > 
> > > From:  
> > > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> > > To:  
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com; 
> > >  
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> > >  
> > > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > 
> > > CC:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > >  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > >
> > > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make 
> > > at least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 
> > > 5 Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can 
> > > rustle up. Jocie
> > >  Denise P 
> > > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > > >
> > > > -Denise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
> > > > From:  
> > > > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > > > To:  
> > > > stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > > > CC:  
> > > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > > >  
> > > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake? I can 
> > > > probably make 2 or 4 if you want. What details do you need from me 
> > > > concerning the recipe?
> > > >
> > > > --Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser 
> > > > <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
> > > > high.
> > > >
> > > > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after 
> > > > processing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From:  
> > > > ga

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

About 3 doz at least. 



On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Denise P  wrote:

> Cool. How many will that make?
>  
> -Denise
>  
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:35:14 -0700
> From: aim...@yahoo.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
> hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you 
> guys? 
> 
> From: Denise P 
> To: Stefan Creaser 
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be 
> lucky to make it back in town for TCR.
>  
> -Denise
>  
> > From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> > mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> > ready made. Ideas?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> > From:  
> > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > To:  
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; 
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> >  
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16. So, that gives 
> > us 64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron 
> > skillets. So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll 
> > still need to make sure they have the skillets.
> > 
> > 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how 
> > many servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone 
> > recruit a person to make more cakes?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> > 
> > > From:  
> > > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> > > To:  
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com; 
> > >  
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> > >  
> > > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > 
> > > CC:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > >  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > >
> > > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make 
> > > at least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 
> > > 5 Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can 
> > > rustle up. Jocie
> > >  Denise P 
> > > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > > >
> > > > -Denise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
> > > > From:  
> > > > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > > > To:  
> > > > stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > > > CC:  
> > > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > > >  
> > > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake? I can 
> > > > probably make 2 or 4 if you want. What details do you need from me 
> > > > concerning the recipe?
> > > >
> > > > --Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser 
> > > > <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
> > > > high.
> > > >
> > > > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after 
> > > > processing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From:  
> > > > ga

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

Oh, very much so. 



On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Cool.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve no idea what “Duncan Hinds Spice Flavour” is, but how Caribbean is it?
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> STEFAN
> 
>  
> 
> From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:07 AM
> To: Aimee Beveridge; Stefan Creaser
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
>  
> 
> Cool. How many will that make?
>  
> -Denise
>  
> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:35:14 -0700
> From: aim...@yahoo.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
> hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you guys?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Denise P 
> To: Stefan Creaser 
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be 
> lucky to make it back in town for TCR.
>  
> -Denise
>  
> 
> > From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> > mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> > ready made. Ideas?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> > From: <mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com> 
> > mrzap...@gmail.com<mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com>
> > To: <mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com> 
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com<mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com>; 
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>; 
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com<mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com>; 
> > <mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com> 
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com<mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16. So, that gives 
> > us 64. The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron 
> > skillets. So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll 
> > still need to make sure they have the skillets.
> > 
> > 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> > <<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>>
> > I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how 
> > many servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone 
> > recruit a person to make more cakes?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> > 
> > > From: <mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com> 
> > > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com<mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com>
> > > To: <mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com> 
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com<mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com>; 
> > > <mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com> 
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>; 
> > > <mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com> 
> > > pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > 
> > > CC: <mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com> 
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com<mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com>; 
> > > <mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com> 
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com<mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > >
> > > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make 
> > > at least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 
> > > 5 Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can 
> > > rustle up. Jocie
> > >  Denise P 
> > > <<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > > >
> > > > -Denise

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

Oh, very much so. 



On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Cool.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve no idea what “Duncan Hinds Spice Flavour” is, but how Caribbean is it?
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> STEFAN
> 
>  
> 
> From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:07 AM
> To: Aimee Beveridge; Stefan Creaser
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
>  
> 
> Cool. How many will that make?
>  
> -Denise
>  
> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:35:14 -0700
> From: aim...@yahoo.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
> hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you guys?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Denise P 
> To: Stefan Creaser 
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be 
> lucky to make it back in town for TCR.
>  
> -Denise
>  
> 
> > From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> > mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> > ready made. Ideas?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> > From: <mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com> 
> > mrzap...@gmail.com<mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com>
> > To: <mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com> 
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com<mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com>; 
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>; 
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com<mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com>; 
> > <mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com> 
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com<mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16. So, that gives 
> > us 64. The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron 
> > skillets. So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll 
> > still need to make sure they have the skillets.
> > 
> > 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> > <<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>>
> > I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how 
> > many servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone 
> > recruit a person to make more cakes?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> > 
> > > From: <mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com> 
> > > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com<mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com>
> > > To: <mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com> 
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com<mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com>; 
> > > <mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com> 
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>; 
> > > <mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com> 
> > > pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > 
> > > CC: <mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com> 
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com<mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com>; 
> > > <mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com> 
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com<mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > >
> > > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make 
> > > at least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 
> > > 5 Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can 
> > > rustle up. Jocie
> > >  Denise P 
> > > <<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > > >
> > > > -Denise

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

Oh, very much so. 



On Sep 30, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:

> Cool.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve no idea what “Duncan Hinds Spice Flavour” is, but how Caribbean is it?
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> STEFAN
> 
>  
> 
> From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 9:07 AM
> To: Aimee Beveridge; Stefan Creaser
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
>  
> 
> Cool. How many will that make?
>  
> -Denise
>  
> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:35:14 -0700
> From: aim...@yahoo.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
> hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you guys?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Denise P 
> To: Stefan Creaser 
> Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be 
> lucky to make it back in town for TCR.
>  
> -Denise
>  
> 
> > From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> > mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> > ready made. Ideas?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > 
> > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> > From: <mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com> 
> > mrzap...@gmail.com<mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com>
> > To: <mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com> 
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com<mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com>; 
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>; 
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com<mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com>; 
> > <mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com> 
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com<mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16. So, that gives 
> > us 64. The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron 
> > skillets. So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll 
> > still need to make sure they have the skillets.
> > 
> > 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> > <<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>>
> > I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how 
> > many servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone 
> > recruit a person to make more cakes?
> > 
> > -Denise
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> > 
> > > From: <mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com> 
> > > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com<mailto:jociehoo...@austin.rr.com>
> > > To: <mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com> 
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com<mailto:mrzap...@gmail.com>; 
> > > <mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com> 
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>; 
> > > <mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com> 
> > > pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> > 
> > > CC: <mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com> 
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com<mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com>; 
> > > <mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com> 
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com<mailto:tcrco...@texascavers.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > 
> > >
> > > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make 
> > > at least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 
> > > 5 Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can 
> > > rustle up. Jocie
> > >  Denise P 
> > > <<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>pepabe...@hotmail.com<mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > > >
> > > > -Denise

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you guys? 




From: Denise P 
To: Stefan Creaser 
Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...


 
No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be lucky 
to make it back in town for TCR.
 
-Denise
 

> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> ready made. Ideas?
> 
> -Denise
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> From:  
> mrzap...@gmail.com
> To:  
> pepabe...@hotmail.com
> CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; 
> stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
>  
> tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16.  So, that gives 
> us 64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron skillets. 
>  So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll still need to 
> make sure they have the skillets.
> 
> 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how many 
> servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone recruit a 
> person to make more cakes?
> 
> -Denise
> 
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> 
> > From:  
> > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> > To:  
> > mrzap...@gmail.com; 
> >  
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> >  
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> 
> > CC:  
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> >  
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> >
> > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make at 
> > least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 5 
> > Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can rustle 
> > up. Jocie
> >  Denise P 
> > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > >
> > > -Denise
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
> > > From:  
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > > To:  
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > > CC:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > >  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake? I can 
> > > probably make 2 or 4 if you want. What details do you need from me 
> > > concerning the recipe?
> > >
> > > --Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser 
> > > <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
> > > high.
> > >
> > > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after 
> > > processing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com 
> > > [mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:39 PM
> > > To:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; Stefan Creaser; 
> > > Heather Tucek;  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The best deal I

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you guys? 




From: Denise P 
To: Stefan Creaser 
Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...


 
No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be lucky 
to make it back in town for TCR.
 
-Denise
 

> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> ready made. Ideas?
> 
> -Denise
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> From:  
> mrzap...@gmail.com
> To:  
> pepabe...@hotmail.com
> CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; 
> stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
>  
> tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16.  So, that gives 
> us 64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron skillets. 
>  So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll still need to 
> make sure they have the skillets.
> 
> 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how many 
> servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone recruit a 
> person to make more cakes?
> 
> -Denise
> 
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> 
> > From:  
> > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> > To:  
> > mrzap...@gmail.com; 
> >  
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> >  
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> 
> > CC:  
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> >  
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> >
> > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make at 
> > least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 5 
> > Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can rustle 
> > up. Jocie
> >  Denise P 
> > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > >
> > > -Denise
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
> > > From:  
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > > To:  
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > > CC:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > >  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake? I can 
> > > probably make 2 or 4 if you want. What details do you need from me 
> > > concerning the recipe?
> > >
> > > --Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser 
> > > <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
> > > high.
> > >
> > > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after 
> > > processing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com 
> > > [mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:39 PM
> > > To:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; Stefan Creaser; 
> > > Heather Tucek;  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The best deal I

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I have a cupcake angel who is going to help me whip up three boxes of duncan 
hinds spice flavored cakes with homemade vanilla frosting.  Work for you guys? 




From: Denise P 
To: Stefan Creaser 
Cc: tcrco...@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...


 
No, I am out of town with a mom who has just had a triple bypass. I'll be lucky 
to make it back in town for TCR.
 
-Denise
 

> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:00:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> Have you tried to recruit any more people?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:06 PM, "Denise P" 
> mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
> ready made. Ideas?
> 
> -Denise
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
> From:  
> mrzap...@gmail.com
> To:  
> pepabe...@hotmail.com
> CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; 
> stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
>  
> tcrco...@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16.  So, that gives 
> us 64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron skillets. 
>  So, if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll still need to 
> make sure they have the skillets.
> 
> 2011/9/29 Denise P 
> <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how many 
> servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone recruit a 
> person to make more cakes?
> 
> -Denise
> 
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
> 
> > From:  
> > jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> > To:  
> > mrzap...@gmail.com; 
> >  
> > stefan.crea...@arm.com; 
> >  
> > pepabe...@hotmail.com
> 
> > CC:  
> > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> >  
> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> >
> > My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan. I thought I would make at 
> > least 5 pans. How many can you do Denise? Matt might have to make only 5 
> > Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can rustle 
> > up. Jocie
> >  Denise P 
> > <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
> > > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
> > >
> > > -Denise
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
> > > From:  
> > > mrzap...@gmail.com
> > > To:  
> > > stefan.crea...@arm.com
> > > CC:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
> > >  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > >
> > >
> > > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake? I can 
> > > probably make 2 or 4 if you want. What details do you need from me 
> > > concerning the recipe?
> > >
> > > --Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser 
> > > <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
> > > high.
> > >
> > > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after 
> > > processing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com 
> > > [mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:39 PM
> > > To:  
> > > galenfalg...@yahoo.com; Stefan Creaser; 
> > > Heather Tucek;  
> > > tcrco...@texascavers.com
> > > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The best deal I

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

What we need are some cupcakes.   I'll see if I can get a few helpers together 
to make some of those.  Yes, we will use store bought 99 cent cake mix.  How 
many do we need?


Also, Stephan, I looked into making a vegetarian goat curry.  My mouth waters 
at the idea of a real goat curry but I just don't think it will work with tofu. 
 I can do a tofu stirfry with veggies in a curry sauce but not Jamaican goat 
curry style.  How about I bring some curry to the grotto meeting next wed? 


Oh, will we be serving rice? Curry without rice is just wrong. 


A





From: Denise P 
To: Matt Zappitello 
Cc: Jocelyn Hooper ; Stefan Creaser 
; galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...


 
If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
ready made. Ideas?
 
-Denise
 



Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
From: mrzap...@gmail.com
To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com; galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
tcrco...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16.  So, that gives us 
64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron skillets.  So, 
if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll still need to make 
sure they have the skillets.


2011/9/29 Denise P 

I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how many 
servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone recruit a 
person to make more cakes?
> 
>-Denise
> 
>
>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
>
>> From: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
>> To: mrzap...@gmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com; pepabe...@hotmail.com
>
>> CC: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>
>> 
>> My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan.  I thought I would make at 
>> least 5 pans.  How many can you do Denise?  Matt might have to make only 5 
>> Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can rustle up. 
>>  Jocie
>>  Denise P  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
>> > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
>> > 
>> > -Denise
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
>> > From: mrzap...@gmail.com
>> > To: stefan.crea...@arm.com
>> > CC: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake?  I can 
>> > probably make 2 or 4 if you want.  What details do you need from me 
>> > concerning the recipe?
>> > 
>> > --Matt
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
>> > high.
>> > 
>> > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after processing?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: galenfalg...@yahoo.com [mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com] 
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:39 PM
>> > To: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; Stefan Creaser; Heather Tucek; 
>> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > The best deal I can get is through my dad we can get fifty lbs of wild 
>> > catfish he caught personally for $2lb plus whatever shipping costs. He is 
>> > gonna price the shipping next week and get back to me with a quote. Does 
>> > this sound good stefan and terry?
>> > 
>> > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>> > 
>> > - Reply message -
>> > From: "galenfalg...@yahoo.com" 
>> > Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 7:35 pm
>> > Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > To: "Stefan Creaser" , "Heather Tucek" 
>> > , "tcrco...@texascavers.com" 
>> > 
>> > Also shrimp is in season. What do u guys think about having boiled shrimp
>> > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>> > 
>> > - Reply message -
>> > From: "Stefan Creaser" 
>> > Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 1:25 pm
>> > Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > To: "Heather Tucek" , "tcrco...@texascavers.com" 
>> > 
>> > :-)
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: Heather Tucek [mailto:trog...@cavechat.org] 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:15 PM
>> > To: tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > I'll make some Seadog Salad and bring it tonight for ya'll to try out.
>> > 
>> > -h
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 18 September 2011 17:18, Denise P  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Dale will test them out tomorrow. I can  cook them on Friday, the day 
>> > before the dinner, so they will be pretty fresh.
>> > 
>> > I did have a problem with them being sticky, hard to get out of the pan (I 
>> > greased  a glass pan), and not exactly holding their shape. We'll see what 
>> > Jocie comes up with.
>> > 
>> > -Denise
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

What we need are some cupcakes.   I'll see if I can get a few helpers together 
to make some of those.  Yes, we will use store bought 99 cent cake mix.  How 
many do we need?


Also, Stephan, I looked into making a vegetarian goat curry.  My mouth waters 
at the idea of a real goat curry but I just don't think it will work with tofu. 
 I can do a tofu stirfry with veggies in a curry sauce but not Jamaican goat 
curry style.  How about I bring some curry to the grotto meeting next wed? 


Oh, will we be serving rice? Curry without rice is just wrong. 


A





From: Denise P 
To: Matt Zappitello 
Cc: Jocelyn Hooper ; Stefan Creaser 
; galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...


 
If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
ready made. Ideas?
 
-Denise
 



Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
From: mrzap...@gmail.com
To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com; galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
tcrco...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16.  So, that gives us 
64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron skillets.  So, 
if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll still need to make 
sure they have the skillets.


2011/9/29 Denise P 

I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how many 
servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone recruit a 
person to make more cakes?
> 
>-Denise
> 
>
>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
>
>> From: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
>> To: mrzap...@gmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com; pepabe...@hotmail.com
>
>> CC: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>
>> 
>> My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan.  I thought I would make at 
>> least 5 pans.  How many can you do Denise?  Matt might have to make only 5 
>> Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can rustle up. 
>>  Jocie
>>  Denise P  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
>> > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
>> > 
>> > -Denise
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
>> > From: mrzap...@gmail.com
>> > To: stefan.crea...@arm.com
>> > CC: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake?  I can 
>> > probably make 2 or 4 if you want.  What details do you need from me 
>> > concerning the recipe?
>> > 
>> > --Matt
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
>> > high.
>> > 
>> > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after processing?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: galenfalg...@yahoo.com [mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com] 
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:39 PM
>> > To: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; Stefan Creaser; Heather Tucek; 
>> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > The best deal I can get is through my dad we can get fifty lbs of wild 
>> > catfish he caught personally for $2lb plus whatever shipping costs. He is 
>> > gonna price the shipping next week and get back to me with a quote. Does 
>> > this sound good stefan and terry?
>> > 
>> > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>> > 
>> > - Reply message -
>> > From: "galenfalg...@yahoo.com" 
>> > Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 7:35 pm
>> > Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > To: "Stefan Creaser" , "Heather Tucek" 
>> > , "tcrco...@texascavers.com" 
>> > 
>> > Also shrimp is in season. What do u guys think about having boiled shrimp
>> > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>> > 
>> > - Reply message -
>> > From: "Stefan Creaser" 
>> > Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 1:25 pm
>> > Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > To: "Heather Tucek" , "tcrco...@texascavers.com" 
>> > 
>> > :-)
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: Heather Tucek [mailto:trog...@cavechat.org] 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:15 PM
>> > To: tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > I'll make some Seadog Salad and bring it tonight for ya'll to try out.
>> > 
>> > -h
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 18 September 2011 17:18, Denise P  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Dale will test them out tomorrow. I can  cook them on Friday, the day 
>> > before the dinner, so they will be pretty fresh.
>> > 
>> > I did have a problem with them being sticky, hard to get out of the pan (I 
>> > greased  a glass pan), and not exactly holding their shape. We'll see what 
>> > Jocie comes up with.
>> > 
>> > -Denise
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

What we need are some cupcakes.   I'll see if I can get a few helpers together 
to make some of those.  Yes, we will use store bought 99 cent cake mix.  How 
many do we need?


Also, Stephan, I looked into making a vegetarian goat curry.  My mouth waters 
at the idea of a real goat curry but I just don't think it will work with tofu. 
 I can do a tofu stirfry with veggies in a curry sauce but not Jamaican goat 
curry style.  How about I bring some curry to the grotto meeting next wed? 


Oh, will we be serving rice? Curry without rice is just wrong. 


A





From: Denise P 
To: Matt Zappitello 
Cc: Jocelyn Hooper ; Stefan Creaser 
; galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...


 
If we don't get more volunteers for dessert, we will need to buy something 
ready made. Ideas?
 
-Denise
 



Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:49:58 -0500
From: mrzap...@gmail.com
To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
CC: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com; galenfalg...@yahoo.com; 
tcrco...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

I'm going to do 4 cakes, each of which could serve about 16.  So, that gives us 
64.  The cakes are going to require deep 10 to 12 inch cast iron skillets.  So, 
if we can find someone else to help make the cakes, we'll still need to make 
sure they have the skillets.


2011/9/29 Denise P 

I can make 6. That gves us 264. With Matt's 2 cakes (shoot I forget how many 
servings each was), we will still neeed more desserts. Can someone recruit a 
person to make more cakes?
> 
>-Denise
> 
>
>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:08:45 -0500
>
>> From: jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
>> To: mrzap...@gmail.com; stefan.crea...@arm.com; pepabe...@hotmail.com
>
>> CC: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> Subject: RE: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>
>> 
>> My Coconut Bars make 24 in a 13 x 9" baking pan.  I thought I would make at 
>> least 5 pans.  How many can you do Denise?  Matt might have to make only 5 
>> Upside Down cakes - depends on how many cast iron skillets he can rustle up. 
>>  Jocie
>>  Denise P  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > 4 cakes would be how many servings? We might need someone else to make 
>> > some more cakes as Jocie and I were covering only half the desserts.
>> > 
>> > -Denise
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:53:16 -0500
>> > From: mrzap...@gmail.com
>> > To: stefan.crea...@arm.com
>> > CC: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Did you still want me to make the pineapple upsidedown cake?  I can 
>> > probably make 2 or 4 if you want.  What details do you need from me 
>> > concerning the recipe?
>> > 
>> > --Matt
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Stefan Creaser  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > That sounds like a good deal, as long as the shipping costs aren't that 
>> > high.
>> > 
>> > Will that be 50lbs of 'meat', or how much would we expect after processing?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: galenfalg...@yahoo.com [mailto:galenfalg...@yahoo.com] 
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:39 PM
>> > To: galenfalg...@yahoo.com; Stefan Creaser; Heather Tucek; 
>> > tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > The best deal I can get is through my dad we can get fifty lbs of wild 
>> > catfish he caught personally for $2lb plus whatever shipping costs. He is 
>> > gonna price the shipping next week and get back to me with a quote. Does 
>> > this sound good stefan and terry?
>> > 
>> > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>> > 
>> > - Reply message -
>> > From: "galenfalg...@yahoo.com" 
>> > Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 7:35 pm
>> > Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > To: "Stefan Creaser" , "Heather Tucek" 
>> > , "tcrco...@texascavers.com" 
>> > 
>> > Also shrimp is in season. What do u guys think about having boiled shrimp
>> > Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>> > 
>> > - Reply message -
>> > From: "Stefan Creaser" 
>> > Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 1:25 pm
>> > Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > To: "Heather Tucek" , "tcrco...@texascavers.com" 
>> > 
>> > :-)
>> > 
>> > 
>> > From: Heather Tucek [mailto:trog...@cavechat.org] 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:15 PM
>> > To: tcrco...@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
>> > 
>> > I'll make some Seadog Salad and bring it tonight for ya'll to try out.
>> > 
>> > -h
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 18 September 2011 17:18, Denise P  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Dale will test them out tomorrow. I can  cook them on Friday, the day 
>> > before the dinner, so they will be pretty fresh.
>> > 
>> > I did have a problem with them being sticky, hard to get out of the pan (I 
>> > greased  a glass pan), and not exactly holding their shape. We'll see what 
>> > Jocie comes up with.
>> > 
>> > -Denise
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >

Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I liked them.  2 per person for 200 should be perfect.  Perhaps you could chill 
the dough in tubes then cut off buttons. Might make it easier to work with. I 
donno. 



On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Denise P  wrote:

> I made the cookie recipe I sent previously, pretty good. Kind of a pain 
> because the dough was so sticky. Attached is a pic. The recipe made 39 1.5 to 
> 2" cookies. I guess I'd plan for 2 cookies each for 200 people? Or is that 
> not enough? If it is, then that would be 14 batches. Not sure I want to go 
> there. Wonder what else I could do.
>  
> I'll bring some to Grace's tonight for you to try.
>  
> Sigh,
> Denise
>  
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:38:50 -0500
> From: sandi.calh...@gmail.com
> To: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com; mrzap...@gmail.com; jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I'm gonna be in Utah for the next two weeks, so lemme just throw out some 
> ideas before I leave.
> 
> Congri arroz:  Cuban black beans and rice dish.  Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. 
> Often served with fried bananas/plantains.
> 
> Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it.  Had it 
> at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe.
> 
> My pepper plants are still going strong (the only thing that really is right 
> now), so maybe we can do something with serranos?
> 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Creaser  
> wrote:
> Well that’s not very well developed as yet, so I’d like y’alls input. Here 
> are some notes to go along with…
> 
>  
> 
> As you know the theme is pirate/Caribbean.
> 
>  
> 
> Meat:
> 
> We should (hopefully) have hogs from Fran at Bracken Cave.
> 
> Don Arburn is donating a cow.
> 
> (I was thinking that we could make pork and beef sausages with some of it, 
> mebbe the w/e before?).
> 
> Chicken is widely available in the Caribbean.
> 
>  
> 
> We would like to avoid jerk-like dishes so we can do a Rastafarian theme 
> another year :-)
> 
>  
> 
> Sides:
> 
> I have a large rice cooker; this will cook rice, quinoa or, I assume, 
> anything similar.
> 
>  
> 
> Think fruity – pineapple, banana (and plantain), stuff like that.
> 
>  
> 
> Dessert:
> 
> Matt has suggested pineapple upside down cake.
> 
>  
> 
> Fruit salad?
> 
>  
> 
> What we have to cook with, etc.:
> 
> Large fridge, several woks, lots of large pots, BBQ pit, grill.
> 
>  
> 
> Get yer thinking caps on!
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefan and Terry.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
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Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I liked them.  2 per person for 200 should be perfect.  Perhaps you could chill 
the dough in tubes then cut off buttons. Might make it easier to work with. I 
donno. 



On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Denise P  wrote:

> I made the cookie recipe I sent previously, pretty good. Kind of a pain 
> because the dough was so sticky. Attached is a pic. The recipe made 39 1.5 to 
> 2" cookies. I guess I'd plan for 2 cookies each for 200 people? Or is that 
> not enough? If it is, then that would be 14 batches. Not sure I want to go 
> there. Wonder what else I could do.
>  
> I'll bring some to Grace's tonight for you to try.
>  
> Sigh,
> Denise
>  
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:38:50 -0500
> From: sandi.calh...@gmail.com
> To: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com; mrzap...@gmail.com; jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I'm gonna be in Utah for the next two weeks, so lemme just throw out some 
> ideas before I leave.
> 
> Congri arroz:  Cuban black beans and rice dish.  Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. 
> Often served with fried bananas/plantains.
> 
> Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it.  Had it 
> at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe.
> 
> My pepper plants are still going strong (the only thing that really is right 
> now), so maybe we can do something with serranos?
> 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Creaser  
> wrote:
> Well that’s not very well developed as yet, so I’d like y’alls input. Here 
> are some notes to go along with…
> 
>  
> 
> As you know the theme is pirate/Caribbean.
> 
>  
> 
> Meat:
> 
> We should (hopefully) have hogs from Fran at Bracken Cave.
> 
> Don Arburn is donating a cow.
> 
> (I was thinking that we could make pork and beef sausages with some of it, 
> mebbe the w/e before?).
> 
> Chicken is widely available in the Caribbean.
> 
>  
> 
> We would like to avoid jerk-like dishes so we can do a Rastafarian theme 
> another year :-)
> 
>  
> 
> Sides:
> 
> I have a large rice cooker; this will cook rice, quinoa or, I assume, 
> anything similar.
> 
>  
> 
> Think fruity – pineapple, banana (and plantain), stuff like that.
> 
>  
> 
> Dessert:
> 
> Matt has suggested pineapple upside down cake.
> 
>  
> 
> Fruit salad?
> 
>  
> 
> What we have to cook with, etc.:
> 
> Large fridge, several woks, lots of large pots, BBQ pit, grill.
> 
>  
> 
> Get yer thinking caps on!
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefan and Terry.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...

[Aimee Beveridge]

I liked them.  2 per person for 200 should be perfect.  Perhaps you could chill 
the dough in tubes then cut off buttons. Might make it easier to work with. I 
donno. 



On Sep 10, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Denise P  wrote:

> I made the cookie recipe I sent previously, pretty good. Kind of a pain 
> because the dough was so sticky. Attached is a pic. The recipe made 39 1.5 to 
> 2" cookies. I guess I'd plan for 2 cookies each for 200 people? Or is that 
> not enough? If it is, then that would be 14 batches. Not sure I want to go 
> there. Wonder what else I could do.
>  
> I'll bring some to Grace's tonight for you to try.
>  
> Sigh,
> Denise
>  
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:38:50 -0500
> From: sandi.calh...@gmail.com
> To: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> CC: tcrco...@texascavers.com; mrzap...@gmail.com; jociehoo...@austin.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
> 
> I'm gonna be in Utah for the next two weeks, so lemme just throw out some 
> ideas before I leave.
> 
> Congri arroz:  Cuban black beans and rice dish.  Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. 
> Often served with fried bananas/plantains.
> 
> Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it.  Had it 
> at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe.
> 
> My pepper plants are still going strong (the only thing that really is right 
> now), so maybe we can do something with serranos?
> 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Creaser  
> wrote:
> Well that’s not very well developed as yet, so I’d like y’alls input. Here 
> are some notes to go along with…
> 
>  
> 
> As you know the theme is pirate/Caribbean.
> 
>  
> 
> Meat:
> 
> We should (hopefully) have hogs from Fran at Bracken Cave.
> 
> Don Arburn is donating a cow.
> 
> (I was thinking that we could make pork and beef sausages with some of it, 
> mebbe the w/e before?).
> 
> Chicken is widely available in the Caribbean.
> 
>  
> 
> We would like to avoid jerk-like dishes so we can do a Rastafarian theme 
> another year :-)
> 
>  
> 
> Sides:
> 
> I have a large rice cooker; this will cook rice, quinoa or, I assume, 
> anything similar.
> 
>  
> 
> Think fruity – pineapple, banana (and plantain), stuff like that.
> 
>  
> 
> Dessert:
> 
> Matt has suggested pineapple upside down cake.
> 
>  
> 
> Fruit salad?
> 
>  
> 
> What we have to cook with, etc.:
> 
> Large fridge, several woks, lots of large pots, BBQ pit, grill.
> 
>  
> 
> Get yer thinking caps on!
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefan and Terry.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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[Texascavers] OT fire images

[Aimee Beveridge]

Satellite imagery of the Bastrop complex fire
Before: http://1.usa.gov/nweGWs
After: http://1.usa.gov/q2cPYl



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[Texascavers] OT fire images

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Satellite imagery of the Bastrop complex fire
Before: http://1.usa.gov/nweGWs
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[Texascavers] OT fire images

[Aimee Beveridge]

Satellite imagery of the Bastrop complex fire
Before: http://1.usa.gov/nweGWs
After: http://1.usa.gov/q2cPYl



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Re: [Texascavers] Free Sony TV

[Aimee Beveridge]

We too have a 32 in sony tv and converter box up for grabs in Austin. 

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Ron Miller  wrote:

> We have a 32" CRT Sony TV in working condition with converter box for anyone 
> interested in the Austin area. It is a table top unit but very heavy.
> Located in Rolling Oaks near Terry Raines.
> 
>  
> Ron Miller
> 512-694-4611

Re: [Texascavers] Free Sony TV

[Aimee Beveridge]

We too have a 32 in sony tv and converter box up for grabs in Austin. 

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Ron Miller  wrote:

> We have a 32" CRT Sony TV in working condition with converter box for anyone 
> interested in the Austin area. It is a table top unit but very heavy.
> Located in Rolling Oaks near Terry Raines.
> 
>  
> Ron Miller
> 512-694-4611

Re: [Texascavers] Free Sony TV

[Aimee Beveridge]

We too have a 32 in sony tv and converter box up for grabs in Austin. 

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Ron Miller  wrote:

> We have a 32" CRT Sony TV in working condition with converter box for anyone 
> interested in the Austin area. It is a table top unit but very heavy.
> Located in Rolling Oaks near Terry Raines.
> 
>  
> Ron Miller
> 512-694-4611

Re: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys

[Aimee Beveridge]

Soil Survey Folks:
 
I am happy to report that all of the county soil surveys have been donated to 
the Texas Speleological Society.  Ron Ralph and I loaded the copies into his 
truck yesterday.  I did find out that the Surface Mining Division of my agency 
is giving their copies up as well.  I'll see what I can do to get the 
particular copies to those who requested them.   We also have a number of 
excellent guidance docs from the Bureau of Environmental Geology up for grabs.  
Most deal with the Oligocene Frio Formation and uranium potential of S. Texas.  
Let me know if you have a means for picking them up and I will save them for a 
short time (my office is also moving so I don't want to hang on to them 
indefinitly and there are too many to haul home.  
 
Ron reminded me that the TSS is a lending library.   Be aware that there have 
been signficant updates to the county soil data since the printing of most of 
the soil survey books.  Online, you can go to the Web Soil Survey 
(http://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usda.gov) or SSURGO 
(http://soils.usda.gov/survey/geography/ssurgo/) for the newest interpretations.
 
Stay underground,
Aimee  

From: Aimee Beveridge 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys


Somewhat offtopic but of interest to geo-types:

The Railroad Commission here in Austin is giving away our nearly complete set 
of NRCS County Soil Survey books for Texas. The County Soil books include soil 
descriptions, aerial photographic coverage and other information useful for 
engineers, consultants, university libraries, groundwater conservation 
districts etc.  

Many of these books are out-of-print.  Altough most are available online (see 
link) you may be one of those types that prefer a paper copy.

  http://soils.usda.gov/survey/printed_surveys/state.asp?state=Texas&abbr=TX

Timeline is short, if you like paper reports let me know. 

Aimee Beveridge
512-463-7995 



FYI for Ron Ralph (I was given the remaining two boxes of surveys to add to the 
collection)

Re: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys

[Aimee Beveridge]

Soil Survey Folks:
 
I am happy to report that all of the county soil surveys have been donated to 
the Texas Speleological Society.  Ron Ralph and I loaded the copies into his 
truck yesterday.  I did find out that the Surface Mining Division of my agency 
is giving their copies up as well.  I'll see what I can do to get the 
particular copies to those who requested them.   We also have a number of 
excellent guidance docs from the Bureau of Environmental Geology up for grabs.  
Most deal with the Oligocene Frio Formation and uranium potential of S. Texas.  
Let me know if you have a means for picking them up and I will save them for a 
short time (my office is also moving so I don't want to hang on to them 
indefinitly and there are too many to haul home.  
 
Ron reminded me that the TSS is a lending library.   Be aware that there have 
been signficant updates to the county soil data since the printing of most of 
the soil survey books.  Online, you can go to the Web Soil Survey 
(http://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usda.gov) or SSURGO 
(http://soils.usda.gov/survey/geography/ssurgo/) for the newest interpretations.
 
Stay underground,
Aimee  

From: Aimee Beveridge 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys


Somewhat offtopic but of interest to geo-types:

The Railroad Commission here in Austin is giving away our nearly complete set 
of NRCS County Soil Survey books for Texas. The County Soil books include soil 
descriptions, aerial photographic coverage and other information useful for 
engineers, consultants, university libraries, groundwater conservation 
districts etc.  

Many of these books are out-of-print.  Altough most are available online (see 
link) you may be one of those types that prefer a paper copy.

  http://soils.usda.gov/survey/printed_surveys/state.asp?state=Texas&abbr=TX

Timeline is short, if you like paper reports let me know. 

Aimee Beveridge
512-463-7995 



FYI for Ron Ralph (I was given the remaining two boxes of surveys to add to the 
collection)

Re: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys

[Aimee Beveridge]

Soil Survey Folks:
 
I am happy to report that all of the county soil surveys have been donated to 
the Texas Speleological Society.  Ron Ralph and I loaded the copies into his 
truck yesterday.  I did find out that the Surface Mining Division of my agency 
is giving their copies up as well.  I'll see what I can do to get the 
particular copies to those who requested them.   We also have a number of 
excellent guidance docs from the Bureau of Environmental Geology up for grabs.  
Most deal with the Oligocene Frio Formation and uranium potential of S. Texas.  
Let me know if you have a means for picking them up and I will save them for a 
short time (my office is also moving so I don't want to hang on to them 
indefinitly and there are too many to haul home.  
 
Ron reminded me that the TSS is a lending library.   Be aware that there have 
been signficant updates to the county soil data since the printing of most of 
the soil survey books.  Online, you can go to the Web Soil Survey 
(http://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usda.gov) or SSURGO 
(http://soils.usda.gov/survey/geography/ssurgo/) for the newest interpretations.
 
Stay underground,
Aimee  

From: Aimee Beveridge 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:53 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] USGS/NRCS County Soil Surveys


Somewhat offtopic but of interest to geo-types:

The Railroad Commission here in Austin is giving away our nearly complete set 
of NRCS County Soil Survey books for Texas. The County Soil books include soil 
descriptions, aerial photographic coverage and other information useful for 
engineers, consultants, university libraries, groundwater conservation 
districts etc.  

Many of these books are out-of-print.  Altough most are available online (see 
link) you may be one of those types that prefer a paper copy.

  http://soils.usda.gov/survey/printed_surveys/state.asp?state=Texas&abbr=TX

Timeline is short, if you like paper reports let me know. 

Aimee Beveridge
512-463-7995 



FYI for Ron Ralph (I was given the remaining two boxes of surveys to add to the 
collection)

Re: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

[Aimee Beveridge]

I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt 
To: 'wesley s' ; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in 
Texas --- but not in Houston .
 
Fritz
 
From:wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
 
http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29
 
"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, 
ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will 
instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages 
at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of 
electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes 
before being rotated to a different neighborhood."
 
Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, 
but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for 
thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual 
sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.] 
 
stay cool y'all,
 
Wes~
 
 
References:
 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html

Re: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

[Aimee Beveridge]

I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt 
To: 'wesley s' ; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in 
Texas --- but not in Houston .
 
Fritz
 
From:wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
 
http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29
 
"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, 
ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will 
instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages 
at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of 
electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes 
before being rotated to a different neighborhood."
 
Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, 
but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for 
thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual 
sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.] 
 
stay cool y'all,
 
Wes~
 
 
References:
 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html

Re: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs

[Aimee Beveridge]

I understand that 1,000 a week move to the Austin area alone.  Time to move!


From: Fritz Holt 
To: 'wesley s' ; "texascavers@texascavers.com" 

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs


I have been a few other places but would never want to live anywhere but in 
Texas --- but not in Houston .
 
Fritz
 
From:wesley s [mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:22 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] OT- Austinites, here come the brown outs
 
http://www.emergencyemail.org/newsemergency/anmviewer.asp?a=1302&z=29
 
"If the capacity shortage is not relieved by the contract demand response, 
ERCOT escalates to a Power Emergency (Energy Emergency Alert Level 3) and will 
instruct utilities to reduce demand on the grid by conducting temporary outages 
at the local distribution level. These controlled temporary interruptions of 
electrical service ??" or rotating outages ??" typically last 15-45 minutes 
before being rotated to a different neighborhood."
 
Granated they are only predicting to go to level one today possibly level two, 
but we have all of Aug to go and a bunch of soft newcomers living in Texas for 
thier first summer. Fun Fact-- [Did you know that averaged over an annual 
sample period over 1000 people move to Texas each day.] 
 
stay cool y'all,
 
Wes~
 
 
References:
 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/
 
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2011/07/08/forbes-calls-austin-americas-no-1.html