[Texascavers] Honeycomb Limestone

[Corky]

Hi Everyone,
Does anyone know of any publications, papers, dissertations, something 
scrawled on tissue paper concerning honeycomb limestone? I have a friend 
working on a paper who needs reference material.

Thanks!
Corky

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Corky]

I've never been to Ess, but this is what I found a few minutes ago:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&vpsrc=6&ctz=300&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212266125842316788467.0004b076b90d9727fb12c&ll=30.938314,-101.998401&spn=0,0&t=m&source=embed

Hopefully this is not correct.

Corky



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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Corky]

I've never been to Ess, but this is what I found a few minutes ago:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&vpsrc=6&ctz=300&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212266125842316788467.0004b076b90d9727fb12c&ll=30.938314,-101.998401&spn=0,0&t=m&source=embed

Hopefully this is not correct.

Corky



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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Fw: [PBSS] September Meeting Notes

[Corky]

I've never been to Ess, but this is what I found a few minutes ago:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&vpsrc=6&ctz=300&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=212266125842316788467.0004b076b90d9727fb12c&ll=30.938314,-101.998401&spn=0,0&t=m&source=embed

Hopefully this is not correct.

Corky



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Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal

[Corky]

I see you are letting the wants/needs of the one outweigh the 
wants/needs of the many. I love democracy!


On 10/17/2011 8:24 AM, David wrote:

I often scour the web looking for the latest newsworthy items related
to caving and try to post them
to CaveTex the second that they become available.I have been doing
that for several years, off and
on, but especially during times when work is slow.

In an effort to compromise with those of you who find my post
irrelevant or even detestable,
I am going to make a minor change to this effort:

I will not report anything that is on the "major" news networks, or
Caving News ( Facebook )
or on the NSS forums, or Onlinecavers.com, or on various Texas grotto
webpages or their Facebook
pages.If you really want to keep abreast of the latest news, you
will just have to go search for it yourself.

If a story ( like the current one in the news which hasn't been posted
yet ), falls on the border-line of that rule,
I will wait 24 hours before posting it, to give another caver a chance
to get the warm fuzzy feeling from hitting
the Send button, and enjoy the feedback they get from the positive
cavers and also the backlash from
the negative cavers, and the ridicule/humiliation from the TSP.

I will try my best to resist the urge to criticize other's post (
probably going to epic failure at that one ).

There is so much to talk about related to caving that is new.The
internet is saturated with new videos,
and new LED lights, and new things that help the environment ( which
may help caves directly or indirectly ),
and I feel people are either too scared to post something new, or they
are too busy, or some other reason
that they don't post something interesting to read.I like to be enlightened.

I am testing a new LED light I bought last week, but I am not going to
tell you anything about it.You will
either have to ask, or go to my sites I have mentioned before.I
will not report anything from the major
LED light forums, unless it is revolutionary.

If you wish to watch the latest caving videos on YouTube, just go to
YouTube, and type "cave and the month, year"
in the search box, and you will find new videos. To find the
foreign videos, which are often amazing, you will
have to be more persistent. I will try my best to only mention new
videos that are noteworthy.

I have said this several times before, but I try to make an effort to
write something that is new or interesting
when I post something. I feel CaveTex needs more interesting post.
  The recent wave of post last week
made my Blackberry beep dozens of times, and some of the post could
have been handled differently,
or I just need to figure out how to make it not beep when a CaveTex
post arrives.

You can set Google News to search for words like:caving, cave,
speleo, stalagmite, bats, cave-diving, etc, and
it will notify you of new news stories. So I will not post
anything I find on Google News, unless it is something
that is noteworthy.

I hope that CaveTex improves and continues to provide new information to cavers.

I feel that if you went back and took a look at the thousands of
CaveTex postings over the years, that some creative person could
probably
single out 10 of being worth re-printing or organizing into some
readable article to put on the web somewhere.A majority of the old
post
would be obsolete for that purpose or not relevant anymore.That
person could probably be "nominated" for a speleo-historian award.

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal

[Corky]

I see you are letting the wants/needs of the one outweigh the 
wants/needs of the many. I love democracy!


On 10/17/2011 8:24 AM, David wrote:

I often scour the web looking for the latest newsworthy items related
to caving and try to post them
to CaveTex the second that they become available.I have been doing
that for several years, off and
on, but especially during times when work is slow.

In an effort to compromise with those of you who find my post
irrelevant or even detestable,
I am going to make a minor change to this effort:

I will not report anything that is on the "major" news networks, or
Caving News ( Facebook )
or on the NSS forums, or Onlinecavers.com, or on various Texas grotto
webpages or their Facebook
pages.If you really want to keep abreast of the latest news, you
will just have to go search for it yourself.

If a story ( like the current one in the news which hasn't been posted
yet ), falls on the border-line of that rule,
I will wait 24 hours before posting it, to give another caver a chance
to get the warm fuzzy feeling from hitting
the Send button, and enjoy the feedback they get from the positive
cavers and also the backlash from
the negative cavers, and the ridicule/humiliation from the TSP.

I will try my best to resist the urge to criticize other's post (
probably going to epic failure at that one ).

There is so much to talk about related to caving that is new.The
internet is saturated with new videos,
and new LED lights, and new things that help the environment ( which
may help caves directly or indirectly ),
and I feel people are either too scared to post something new, or they
are too busy, or some other reason
that they don't post something interesting to read.I like to be enlightened.

I am testing a new LED light I bought last week, but I am not going to
tell you anything about it.You will
either have to ask, or go to my sites I have mentioned before.I
will not report anything from the major
LED light forums, unless it is revolutionary.

If you wish to watch the latest caving videos on YouTube, just go to
YouTube, and type "cave and the month, year"
in the search box, and you will find new videos. To find the
foreign videos, which are often amazing, you will
have to be more persistent. I will try my best to only mention new
videos that are noteworthy.

I have said this several times before, but I try to make an effort to
write something that is new or interesting
when I post something. I feel CaveTex needs more interesting post.
  The recent wave of post last week
made my Blackberry beep dozens of times, and some of the post could
have been handled differently,
or I just need to figure out how to make it not beep when a CaveTex
post arrives.

You can set Google News to search for words like:caving, cave,
speleo, stalagmite, bats, cave-diving, etc, and
it will notify you of new news stories. So I will not post
anything I find on Google News, unless it is something
that is noteworthy.

I hope that CaveTex improves and continues to provide new information to cavers.

I feel that if you went back and took a look at the thousands of
CaveTex postings over the years, that some creative person could
probably
single out 10 of being worth re-printing or organizing into some
readable article to put on the web somewhere.A majority of the old
post
would be obsolete for that purpose or not relevant anymore.That
person could probably be "nominated" for a speleo-historian award.

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal

[Corky]

I see you are letting the wants/needs of the one outweigh the 
wants/needs of the many. I love democracy!


On 10/17/2011 8:24 AM, David wrote:

I often scour the web looking for the latest newsworthy items related
to caving and try to post them
to CaveTex the second that they become available.I have been doing
that for several years, off and
on, but especially during times when work is slow.

In an effort to compromise with those of you who find my post
irrelevant or even detestable,
I am going to make a minor change to this effort:

I will not report anything that is on the "major" news networks, or
Caving News ( Facebook )
or on the NSS forums, or Onlinecavers.com, or on various Texas grotto
webpages or their Facebook
pages.If you really want to keep abreast of the latest news, you
will just have to go search for it yourself.

If a story ( like the current one in the news which hasn't been posted
yet ), falls on the border-line of that rule,
I will wait 24 hours before posting it, to give another caver a chance
to get the warm fuzzy feeling from hitting
the Send button, and enjoy the feedback they get from the positive
cavers and also the backlash from
the negative cavers, and the ridicule/humiliation from the TSP.

I will try my best to resist the urge to criticize other's post (
probably going to epic failure at that one ).

There is so much to talk about related to caving that is new.The
internet is saturated with new videos,
and new LED lights, and new things that help the environment ( which
may help caves directly or indirectly ),
and I feel people are either too scared to post something new, or they
are too busy, or some other reason
that they don't post something interesting to read.I like to be enlightened.

I am testing a new LED light I bought last week, but I am not going to
tell you anything about it.You will
either have to ask, or go to my sites I have mentioned before.I
will not report anything from the major
LED light forums, unless it is revolutionary.

If you wish to watch the latest caving videos on YouTube, just go to
YouTube, and type "cave and the month, year"
in the search box, and you will find new videos. To find the
foreign videos, which are often amazing, you will
have to be more persistent. I will try my best to only mention new
videos that are noteworthy.

I have said this several times before, but I try to make an effort to
write something that is new or interesting
when I post something. I feel CaveTex needs more interesting post.
  The recent wave of post last week
made my Blackberry beep dozens of times, and some of the post could
have been handled differently,
or I just need to figure out how to make it not beep when a CaveTex
post arrives.

You can set Google News to search for words like:caving, cave,
speleo, stalagmite, bats, cave-diving, etc, and
it will notify you of new news stories. So I will not post
anything I find on Google News, unless it is something
that is noteworthy.

I hope that CaveTex improves and continues to provide new information to cavers.

I feel that if you went back and took a look at the thousands of
CaveTex postings over the years, that some creative person could
probably
single out 10 of being worth re-printing or organizing into some
readable article to put on the web somewhere.A majority of the old
post
would be obsolete for that purpose or not relevant anymore.That
person could probably be "nominated" for a speleo-historian award.

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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Re: [Texascavers] Archives

[Corky]

I rather liked the cave data of any "kink". It leaves room for 
interpretation. ;)


On 3/30/2011 11:10 AM, tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:

Shouldn't that be "Las Moras Springs"?


Mar 30, 2011 10:41:28 AM, ronra...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Cavers,

I will be collecting material from folks to place in the TSS, TSA
and TCMA archives during the Spring Convention. If you have notes,
photos, maps, cave data of any kink, official meeting notes from
your previous job as an officer in any Texas cave organization or
just have stuff you want to go to a good home, this is your chance
to painlessly pass it on to the archives.

See you at Fort Clark springs.

Ron Ralph

Texas Speleological Survey

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Re: [Texascavers] Archives

[Corky]

I rather liked the cave data of any "kink". It leaves room for 
interpretation. ;)


On 3/30/2011 11:10 AM, tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:

Shouldn't that be "Las Moras Springs"?


Mar 30, 2011 10:41:28 AM, ronra...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Cavers,

I will be collecting material from folks to place in the TSS, TSA
and TCMA archives during the Spring Convention. If you have notes,
photos, maps, cave data of any kink, official meeting notes from
your previous job as an officer in any Texas cave organization or
just have stuff you want to go to a good home, this is your chance
to painlessly pass it on to the archives.

See you at Fort Clark springs.

Ron Ralph

Texas Speleological Survey

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Re: [Texascavers] Archives

[Corky]

I rather liked the cave data of any "kink". It leaves room for 
interpretation. ;)


On 3/30/2011 11:10 AM, tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:

Shouldn't that be "Las Moras Springs"?


Mar 30, 2011 10:41:28 AM, ronra...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Cavers,

I will be collecting material from folks to place in the TSS, TSA
and TCMA archives during the Spring Convention. If you have notes,
photos, maps, cave data of any kink, official meeting notes from
your previous job as an officer in any Texas cave organization or
just have stuff you want to go to a good home, this is your chance
to painlessly pass it on to the archives.

See you at Fort Clark springs.

Ron Ralph

Texas Speleological Survey

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Re: [Texascavers] Native Americans' Carbon Footprint from Caves

[Corky]

Just for the sake of eschewing ambiguity, should that not be dihydrogen 
monoxide? We would not want to confuse or mislead anyone out there.

Corky

SS wrote:

Studies have shown that the Earth is contributing a million times more
carbon dioxide than man could ever produce.

We must stop the Earth at all costs.  It has the largest carbon footprint of
all!  


The earth is also killing tens of thousands of people every year with
Di-Hydrogen Oxide, high velocity atmospheric precipitation, and subterranean
upheaval resulting in destruction of structures and loss of life.


Please sign my petition to Stop the earth from killing and polluting on my
Website WWW.KillerEarth.com.



And don't forget to recycle your aluminum cans.




 





-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 6:13 PM

To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Native Americans' Carbon Footprint from Caves

 Studies by Ohio caver Greg Springer as well as colleagues 
from UT Arlington and elsewhere have shown that Native Americans were 
actively burning forests and contributing significant carbon dioxide 
to the atmosphere well before the arrival of European 
settlers:  <http://www.physorg.com/news190561417.html>, 
<http://news.discovery.com/earth/native-americans-carbon-emissions.html>. 
Part of the evidence comes from caves in West Virginia.


Mark Minton

Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 



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Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?

[Corky]

Sleaze,
I like the lighter note. Cave softly.
Rusticated

bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:

Rusticaver:
 
How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the 
shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not 
gargled with the holy water?
 
It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms 
of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl 
revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest?
 
I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, 
for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are 
matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue 
monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means 
of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, 
mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly 
colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is 
extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant.
 
Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name 
is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name!
 
Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth,
 
Sleazeweazel


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[Texascavers] And as for those aliens....

[Corky]

On a lighter note..


 Alien Life Could Already Be on Earth, Say Scientists

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/26/alien-life-earth-say-scientists/?test=latestnews


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Re: [Texascavers] Re: like fleas arguing over who owns the dogs back

[Corky]

To All,
What is it that we fear here? Mr. S definitely fears religion in all 
forms, with the exception of the religion of science and 
environmentalism. This is evidenced by several unprovoked diatribes and 
attacks upon Christians, Muslims, Oztotl, and Gaia worshipers on this 
list. I do not believe I remember Hebrews being mentioned, I would have 
to assail my senses with the constant ranting of his writings to verify 
that omission.
Mr. B seems to fear anyone who would question his faith. Is it not 
enough that you have your faith? Are you in so much doubt that the Mr. 
S' of the world frighten you? You may need to examine your faith, and if 
you are a true Christian you will forgive Mr. S and not lower yourself 
to the tactics of the insecure.
The same goes for Mr. B. Are you so unsure of your beliefs that you have 
to resort to propaganda tactics? Name calling and suggesting the death 
of your perceived adversaries is very childish. That is way below your 
intelligence level and most others on this list.
What is the solution here? As much as I am compelled to espouse my 
religious and political beliefs, I will refrain from posting them to 
this list. It would be preferable to all if others would do the same.
So, let us go caving, talk about it here, have a mug of your favorite 
beverage around the campfire, and agree to disagree, agreeably.


Corky the Rusticated Caver

SS wrote:


As only inconsequential un-intelligent life supports the earth I can 
understand your predisposition for your own kind.


However, you prove my point. The earth is riddled with the bones of 
far more, far larger, and far more exotic species that trod terra 
incognito long before Apes knew what bananas were. These fellow 
sophisticants, your obvious relatives, just didn�t make the cut. The 
problem with your concern is the audacity that you, man, could 
extinguish ALL life on earth. The point that was being made, one 
obviously missed, was that even mans best efforts of trying to rid the 
globe of a few bugs, birds, and sleazeweazel would be as futile as 
trying to dam the ocean.


How do you know we have diminished bio diversity�..as compared to 
what? Diminished as compared to a period? Like 1920? 1020? 0? 
10,000bc? 1,000,000 BC? Please provide your data for us to review. 
Because we know from geologic history that life was nearly completely 
extinguished utterly from the planet many times�.yet�here we are. 
Somehow. Some dumb bit of goo, probably related to you, managed to 
ooze out of a hole in the ground and evolve.


To assume that Man could be as destructive as an asteroid, 
super-volcano, or whatever God, or microbe you worship is ludicrous. 
Can I extinguish the yellow warbler? Yep. Guess what�in a few thousand 
years, they�ll be an Orange one, and if we nuke ourselves into 
oblivion, it may have 3 legs and 5 eyes. But it will be here�taking a 
crap on your grave.


Thankfully, God didn�t suffer me the indignity to have had to evolve 
from goo. All Mayflower material here.


The fact is�if you want to see the Salamander in a hundred years, you 
better get a few for the Smithsonian, because it�s probably not going 
to make the cut. We�ll display it next to you.




*From:* bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:52 AM
*To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* [Texascavers] Re: like fleas arguing over who owns the dogs 
back


From: "SS" mailto:back2scool...@hotmail.com>>

If you want to be an environmentalist do so for mans sake� the
earth could care less. It can wipe us out in the blink of an eye,
and ten thousand years later you�d hardly find a trace we were
ever here.

Perhaps if Mr. Backtoschoolagin (sounds like an Armenian to me!) 
actually went back to school he would learn that the only reason the 
earth has an atmosphere capable of supporting so called �higher� life 
is because of the seemingly inconsequential actions of nearly 
invisible tiny little blue green life forms (baby aliens). Mr. B was 
presumably homeschooled, so rather than trust those government run tax 
supported commie pinko scientists I suggest he try Mr. G�s experiment; 
but please, be rigorous, shove a towel underneath the door and duct 
tape the cracks around the windows. When you get to heaven be sure to 
send us a report.


As for all trace of us disappearing in ten thousand years, that�s 
heresy! Every red blooded god fearing American knows that even caves 
are no more than 6000 years old! But wait, if the earth is going to 
shrug us off every ten thousand years or so it seems that Mr. B is 
actually some kind of pagan Gaia worshiper. She is obviously getting 
angry, so you better start building that boat Mr B! The good new is 
that we have so diminished biodiversity that two of each will fit. No 
more problems with the dinosaurs like Noah 
<

Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas endangered cave species :

[Corky]

Wow,
Intuitive and educated response. I really feel no need to expound 
further. My case stands.

Corky the Rusticated Rube Hick Farmer/Rancher/Landowner

Mike Gross wrote:

Hey, Corky,

Get a job.

Mike Gross

At 06:14 PM 1/14/2010 -0600, you wrote:


rus·ti·cate
/v./ *rus·ti·cat·ed*, *rus·ti·cat·ing*, *rus·ti·cates*
/v.//intr./
To go to or live in the country.

I assume the reference is to the property owners. Those who feel it 
is their right to do as they please with what they own. Such as 
making a living, drilling for and drinking the water under their 
feet, and even letting high minded city folk onto their property to 
go caving. Maybe even letting some of their water flow downstream 
where the (un)educated city dwellers build their zero lot housing in 
an area that hasn't enough water to serve their needs.
So in steps the Feds and strips the "rusticated" of their rights. To 
save the bugs. More to save the city from it's inability to govern 
itself and curb the growth to something the water supply and the bugs 
can handle.
The whole problem would go away if the "rusticated" and bugs stayed 
and the city and all of it's demanding citizens moved to California. 
(Sorry, no water there either, but you would like the political 
climate. I hear the weather is also nice.)


Unashamedly,

Corky the Rusticated Land Owner (and proud of it)


tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:

None of yez watched DEADWOOD?

Hicks, rubes, the rusticated will suffice.

T.


Jan 14, 2010 01:22:29 AM, rod.g...@ieee.org wrote:

What are "hoopleheads"?

-Original Message-
From: tbsam...@verizon.net
Sent: Jan 13, 2010 5:45 AM
To: jerryat...@aol.com
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas
endangered cave species :


That ought to infuriate the hoopleheads.



Jan 13, 2010 01:53:32 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:

*Feds step in to protect endangered species*

*By Chris Cobb*

<http://herald-zeitung.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=6f6cf874d6a84ef1b95e37e9f79195568af7d827721a528e94756ad7a6117f2b&-session=HeraldZeitung:CDBC74CC02c2e03AD3nXx22D6620> 



The Herald-Zeitung

Published January 12, 2010

The federal government is reconsidering how much land it
sets aside to protect insects and other endangered species
in Comal and Bexar counties.

In response to a lawsuit from environmental groups,
including a group from New Braunfels, a U.S. district
court ruled in December that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service should re-evaluate how much protected critical
habitat it designates for 12 endangered species in the two
counties.

The species include three Comal County natives � the



Peck’s Cave Amphipod, the Comal Springs Dryopid Beetle and
the Comal Springs Riffle Beetle � as well as nine types of



cave-dwelling spiders and beetles in Bexar County.

“These 12 rare and unique species need increased critical
habitat protections if they are going to have any chance
at survival,� said Noah Greenwald of the Tucson-based
Center for Biological Diversity in a written statement.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service designated the critical
habitat area for the Bexar County animals in 2003, and for
the three endangered Comal species in 2007.

Animal advocates argued that the amount of habitat set
aside by the government was dramatically smaller than what
scientists and researchers had recommended, shrinking the
prescribed habitat in Bexar County from more than 9,500
acres to just more than 1,000.

In Comal County, environmental groups complained that the
protected habitat only included 30 to 40 acres around the
springs, not any portion of the Edwards Aquifer that feeds
them.

In response, the Center for Biological Diversity, Aquifer
Guardians in Urban Areas and New Braunfels-based Citizens
Alliance for Smart Expansion jointly filed a federal
lawsuit in January 2009 to have the government consider
giving the species a larger protected area.

“These species are the canary in the coal mine for our
area,� said CASE Director Sharon Lavett. “We need to
protect their environment and our aquifer, not only for
them, but for everybody.�

A settlement between the groups and the federal government
was reached on Dec. 21, giving federal entities a
three-year window in which to re-designate the animals’
habitat. Under the settlement, the USFWS is mandated to
have a new habitat designation in place for the Bexar
County species by 2012, and for the three Comal Springs
species by 2013.

“We trust that the Obama administration will give science
its due and dramatically increase the area of protected
critical habitat for these species,� Greenwald said.
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Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas endangered cave species :

[Corky]

I believe I inferred people choosing to live in an area with limited 
water should either learn to cope or move away. Where is the city, 
county and state governments on this issue? Why the Feds? And if the 
land owners we are referring to are developers,. why would they be 
referred to as "rusticated"? Money grubbing morons who don't care how 
they make money would be more appropriate. And they are getting away 
with this behavior by lining the pockets of local politicians to look 
the other way. And where do they get this money? We are back to the 
(un)educated citizens who buy zero lot houses in an area with limited 
water. So once again, the Federal government will step in, get rid of 
the money grubbers, and still take away the rights of the rustics left 
there. Who by the way, would never poison their own well, or yours.


And I do agree I reacted. I am sick of the communist attitude toward 
land ownership taking over in this country. If you would like to have a 
say in how I run my land, then help pay the taxes, feed the cows, bail 
some hay, mend some fences, and pull some weeds.


I feel personally affronted by the hick reference. So would any other 
land owner reading Texas Cavers. We are hard working, highly educated 
people who take care of what we own, and in turn take care of those 
around us.. And we do not need anyone telling us how to do that, or 
worse, forcing their view or needs upon us by legislation.


Corky the Rusticated Landowner

Linda Palit wrote:

Well, just for the record, there are only 3 counties in Texas with endangered 
cave species, and they are very urban -- threatened by intense development and 
impermeable ground cover, not by rustic property owners doing what they please. 
And the ones who benefit if these protections don't exist are the developers; 
there are some good ones, but some developers don't really care about the long 
term effects of what they do or don't believe there could be any effects.

I don't really believe anybody has the right to pollute water, because there is no way to 
just pollute "your" water.

Stereotypes go back and forth between all segments of the population, but the 
truth is unfortunately complex.
And some people just like to poke a bit to see what reacts.

Cavingly, 
Linda


-Original Message-
From: Corky [mailto:caveman2...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:15 PM

To: tbsam...@verizon.net
Cc: rod.g...@ieee.org; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas endangered cave 
species :

rus·ti·cate  
/v./ *rus·ti·cat·ed*, *rus·ti·cat·ing*, *rus·ti·cates*

/v.//intr./
To go to or live in the country.

I assume the reference is to the property owners. Those who feel it is 
their right to do as they please with what they own. Such as making a 
living, drilling for and drinking the water under their feet, and even 
letting high minded city folk onto their property to go caving. Maybe 
even letting some of their water flow downstream where the (un)educated 
city dwellers build their zero lot housing in an area that hasn't enough 
water to serve their needs.
So in steps the Feds and strips the "rusticated" of their rights. To 
save the bugs. More to save the city from it's inability to govern 
itself and curb the growth to something the water supply and the bugs 
can handle.
The whole problem would go away if the "rusticated" and bugs stayed and 
the city and all of it's demanding citizens moved to California. (Sorry, 
no water there either, but you would like the political climate. I hear 
the weather is also nice.)


Unashamedly,

Corky the Rusticated Land Owner (and proud of it)


tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:
  

None of yez watched DEADWOOD?
 
Hicks, rubes, the rusticated will suffice.
 
T.



Jan 14, 2010 01:22:29 AM, rod.g...@ieee.org wrote:

What are "hoopleheads"?

-Original Message-
From: tbsam...@verizon.net
Sent: Jan 13, 2010 5:45 AM
To: jerryat...@aol.com
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas
endangered cave species :


That ought to infuriate the hoopleheads.
 



Jan 13, 2010 01:53:32 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:

*Feds step in to protect endangered species*

*By Chris Cobb*

<http://herald-zeitung.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=6f6cf874d6a84ef1b95e37e9f79195568af7d827721a528e94756ad7a6117f2b&-session=HeraldZeitung:CDBC74CC02c2e03AD3nXx22D6620>

The Herald-Zeitung

Published January 12, 2010

The federal government is reconsidering how much land it
sets aside to protect insects and other endangered species
in Comal and Bexar counties.

In response to a lawsuit from environmental groups,
including a group fro

Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas endangered cave species :

[Corky]

rus·ti·cate  
/v./ *rus·ti·cat·ed*, *rus·ti·cat·ing*, *rus·ti·cates*

/v.//intr./
To go to or live in the country.

I assume the reference is to the property owners. Those who feel it is 
their right to do as they please with what they own. Such as making a 
living, drilling for and drinking the water under their feet, and even 
letting high minded city folk onto their property to go caving. Maybe 
even letting some of their water flow downstream where the (un)educated 
city dwellers build their zero lot housing in an area that hasn't enough 
water to serve their needs.
So in steps the Feds and strips the "rusticated" of their rights. To 
save the bugs. More to save the city from it's inability to govern 
itself and curb the growth to something the water supply and the bugs 
can handle.
The whole problem would go away if the "rusticated" and bugs stayed and 
the city and all of it's demanding citizens moved to California. (Sorry, 
no water there either, but you would like the political climate. I hear 
the weather is also nice.)


Unashamedly,

Corky the Rusticated Land Owner (and proud of it)


tbsam...@verizon.net wrote:

None of yez watched DEADWOOD?
 
Hicks, rubes, the rusticated will suffice.
 
T.



Jan 14, 2010 01:22:29 AM, rod.g...@ieee.org wrote:

What are "hoopleheads"?

-Original Message-
From: tbsam...@verizon.net
Sent: Jan 13, 2010 5:45 AM
To: jerryat...@aol.com
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Feds step in to protect Texas
endangered cave species :


That ought to infuriate the hoopleheads.
 



Jan 13, 2010 01:53:32 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:

*Feds step in to protect endangered species*

*By Chris Cobb*

<http://herald-zeitung.com/contact.lasso?ewcd=6f6cf874d6a84ef1b95e37e9f79195568af7d827721a528e94756ad7a6117f2b&-session=HeraldZeitung:CDBC74CC02c2e03AD3nXx22D6620>

The Herald-Zeitung

Published January 12, 2010

The federal government is reconsidering how much land it
sets aside to protect insects and other endangered species
in Comal and Bexar counties.

In response to a lawsuit from environmental groups,
including a group from New Braunfels, a U.S. district
court ruled in December that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service should re-evaluate how much protected critical
habitat it designates for 12 endangered species in the two
counties.

The species include three Comal County natives — the
Peck’s Cave Amphipod, the Comal Springs Dryopid Beetle and
the Comal Springs Riffle Beetle — as well as nine types of
cave-dwelling spiders and beetles in Bexar County.

“These 12 rare and unique species need increased critical
habitat protections if they are going to have any chance
at survival,” said Noah Greenwald of the Tucson-based
Center for Biological Diversity in a written statement.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service designated the critical
habitat area for the Bexar County animals in 2003, and for
the three endangered Comal species in 2007.

Animal advocates argued that the amount of habitat set
aside by the government was dramatically smaller than what
scientists and researchers had recommended, shrinking the
prescribed habitat in Bexar County from more than 9,500
acres to just more than 1,000.

In Comal County, environmental groups complained that the
protected habitat only included 30 to 40 acres around the
springs, not any portion of the Edwards Aquifer that feeds
them.

In response, the Center for Biological Diversity, Aquifer
Guardians in Urban Areas and New Braunfels-based Citizens
Alliance for Smart Expansion jointly filed a federal
lawsuit in January 2009 to have the government consider
giving the species a larger protected area.

“These species are the canary in the coal mine for our
area,” said CASE Director Sharon Lavett. “We need to
protect their environment and our aquifer, not only for
them, but for everybody.”

A settlement between the groups and the federal government
was reached on Dec. 21, giving federal entities a
three-year window in which to re-designate the animals’
habitat. Under the settlement, the USFWS is mandated to
have a new habitat designation in place for the Bexar
County species by 2012, and for the three Comal Springs
species by 2013.

“We trust that the Obama administration will give sc

Re: [Texascavers] ICS illnesses

[Corky]

Don't forget the dreaded Tularemia also known a "Rabbit Fever". I picked 
up another case of that in Cottonwood this spring. I was infected the 
first time about twenty years ago at River Styx.


J. LaRue Thomas wrote:
Those of you who had high fevers, if you removed a tick 1-2 weeks 
before the fever showed up you might ask a medical someone about Lyme 
Disease.


Not all Lyme Disease presents a bulls-eye rash but a high fever 7-14 
days after a bite is common. I was Lymed a few years ago caving in NE 
Sutton County and 10 days after the tick I ran a 104 degree fever and 
had to be hauled by friends to an emergency room.


Just a heads-up. Jacqui

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Re: [Texascavers] guano question 2

[Corky]

A guanoclastic flow perhaps?
Corky

Gill Ediger wrote:
One of the things I was trying to do was steer this discussion away 
from the undignified use of the way too generic and overly 
euphemistic, uninspired word "crap". Surely we are a more 
sophisticated and scientifically oriented society than one that's 
stuck on crap when there are dozens of more creative words to be used 
to discribe what is definitely an intregated act of physics affected 
by both biologic and geologic phenomena, not a simple "falling of 
crap'. Come on, you guys, we're looking for something with learned 
Greek or Roman origins. Dig deeply. Science is depending on you.


--Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] Deluge

[Corky]

I agree, this thread is a veritable guanocological disaster. As far as 
profound guano experiences, I was once up to my armpits in James River 
Bat Cave. I was doing fine until I stopped, but the guano continued 
moving around me, spurred on by the prolific biological community with 
which I was interacting. I stopped counting bats at that time.

Cave softly and try not to commit guanocide!
Corky

dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

You are right.  Some of it got pretty interesting.
 
There was just such a PILE of it.
 
DirtDoc


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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Texas Grottos and Hurricane Ike

[Corky]

Eastern Kaufman County officially received 2.47 inches of rain, and some 
wind gusts up to 45 mph. No damage noted anywhere. My lake lot at Lake 
Palestine took a direct hit, fortunately it only knocked all the pine 
cones off the trees.
Your friendly NWS Coop observer (Kaufman 13 ENE), Skywarn spotter and 
East Texas armchair caver,

Corky

speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:

In Irving, which is adjacent to and west of Dallas, we got four tenths of an 
inch of rain, and almost no wind. Darn.

Bill 

 John Brooks  wrote: 
  

Dallas caught the edge of IKE. We got an inch or two of rain...and some high 
wind gusts...a few branches off trees...but nothing major. But to the east 
around Greenville, Cooper and Paris, they got much heavier rain and winds.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:42 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:

Austin barely got any rain, but Houston and Galveston were hammered.  I donʼt 
know about San Antonio, but I suspect they came away clean also.

 


-- Crash

 

From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:11 PM

To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Hello South Texas Grottos

 


>From where I sit in the Northwest, it looks like you guys have taken a serious 
hit from Ike. Is everybody okay?



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Re: [Texascavers] Religion

[Corky]

Yes, yes it is.

speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:

Is this OT?


 Louise Power  wrote: 
  

The Hyperdictionary defines "illusory" as:
 
Deceiving, or tending of deceive; fallacious; illusive; as,illusory promises or hopes.
If the religion fits...> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:00:03 -0700> From: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> To: whruss...@gmail.com> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Religion> > Apparently, Illusory are forms he does NOT agree with or practice. Nonillusory must be what he agrees with...> Either way...it seems like a very unconscious worldview when one must diss anothers religions or practices to appease the desire of thier ego to be noticed.> > Sent from my iPhone> > On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:46 AM, "William H. Russell"  wrote:> > I think any worthwhile form o religion should involve caves, but I am not clear on B Morgan's distinction between "illusory" forms of religion and the non-illusory forms. If the "forms" are written down in a book and a large church built, does this make the forms less illusory? Please explain.> -- > William Hart Russell> 4806 Red River Street> Austin, TX 78751> H: 512-453-4774 (messages)> CELL: 512-940-8336> > -> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> > > > -> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> 




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Re: [Texascavers] Religion, Spiritualism and Cave Concerts

[Corky]

Just trying to stop the bleeding, but I seem to be out of styptic powder.
Corky

Louise Power wrote:

Gee Corky,
 
You ought to know by now that any missive is fair game for dissection 
regardless of the intent.
 
Louise


> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:07:37 -0500
> From: caveman2...@embarqmail.com
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Religion, Spiritualism and Cave Concerts
>
> Howdy Everyone,
> I really didn't mean to stir up the septic tank. I just wanted to go to
> a concert in the cave. Then I was told I couldn't, and was upset. 
Then I
> heard some of the music and wasn't upset anymore. Getting into the 
frame
> of mind to listen to the fare offered is illegal. I apologize to all 
for

> starting this off topic discussion.
> Cave Softly and Carry A Big Bowl,
> Corky
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[Texascavers] Religion, Spiritualism and Cave Concerts

[Corky]

Howdy Everyone,
I really didn't mean to stir up the septic tank. I just wanted to go to 
a concert in the cave. Then I was told I couldn't, and was upset. Then I 
heard some of the music and wasn't upset anymore. Getting into the frame 
of mind to listen to the fare offered is illegal. I apologize to all for 
starting this off topic discussion.

Cave Softly and Carry A Big Bowl,
Corky

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Ceremony - Jodi Roberts

[Corky]

Read the literature on the CWAN website. I am just reporting what it 
says. I still think mushrooms must be involved.

Corky


Louise Power wrote:
"holographic medicine"? I think you meant "holistic medicine." Whole 
different meaning!
 
Once an editor, always an editor.


> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:42:08 -0500
> From: caveman2...@embarqmail.com
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave Ceremony - Jodi Roberts
>
> Wow, guys cannot promote peace, deal with shamanic healing or
> holographic medicine? Guess we will have to stick to "better caving 
with
> chemicals" and "peace through victory". I always thought a concert 
there

> would be cool, guess I'll never know. At least I heard the "Rock Music"
> Mr. Ebell used to play.
>
> Nancy Weaver wrote:
> >>
> >> Jodi in the CaveSaturday July 19th $25
> >> Cave Without a Name
> >> Women's Peace Ceremony Concert
> >>
> >> Sherry Gingras on Percussion
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbinfFc0k3UUymq_5Eao7M0HAuaUbFb4EJK4lzvxpedkPwQ-X2z8SZYJL10kkfK6rNZmjPcKJ1-eBviNShMbCEwaOeKsYz2mDuwA9FuP7dVasg==>Jodi 


> >> Roberts Tibetan Bowls, Bells, and Wind Gongs
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbgzP0J5MZlMf-ZRkl2V0uupDWFctH8Xl9xfzTWgr0O6sWCxHk50Q_Xhcswp7pLLZQY6V8N2rJLwpqSH5BUPlCeKGOcScozxCUjIgpZyvoTM7xwQRbbyreMk>Stephanie 


> >> Phillips Viola
> >> Lauren D'Albert on didgeridoo and doumbek
> >>
> >> 325 Kreutzberg Rd Boerne Texas
> >> Women Only Please
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbgimyaD0hXuN7TeWzalmOFXZUnjJslxn0xNgbEaMxSKnn7OIGnTXir0_yUS8rwSbk6TKwNtcJPN9bUqht5b7hghfqFwnmaUAvQgyoYE4kvB_Rl9D7NZPR78>

> >> Tickets available at the Cave Website click here
> >>
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbitsSV0RHR2iJUeuvX49KK1g-Mkq0AF8QCtzjblfdhl8qPgdgqnsKGOtIjjOQpojwm7Zm-7iciMCAU1_-ZzB5nCEuUb5tmm8iuwtDvw9efEeEAbmsUHO_sZ>

> >> Saturday September 20th 7PM $25
> >> Equinox Cave Ceremony
> >> Paul Hubbert on Vocals and Crystal Bowls
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbikSZ8aNuFVKNXsiB2ProiiVQArPlbynNzISiSU06Dgj1ly7nTMoqW6VrX1uT0cQWfZU9x1lff3IVyRl4a1q_it8Cm8eHo7ayM25dTQX-ZJxuhDrgddWG8D>Jodi 


> >> Roberts on Tibetan Bowls
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbgzP0J5MZlMf-ZRkl2V0uupDWFctH8Xl9xfzTWgr0O6sWCxHk50Q_Xhcswp7pLLZQY6V8N2rJLwpqSH5BUPlCeKGOcScozxCUjIgpZyvoTM7xwQRbbyreMk>Cave 


> >> Without a Name
> >> 325 Kreutzberg Rd Boerne Texas
> >> 
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbitsSV0RHR2iJUeuvX49KK1g-Mkq0AF8QCtzjblfdhl8qPgdgqnsKGOtIjjOQpojwm7Zm-7iciMCAU1_-ZzB5nCEuUb5tmm8iuwtDvw9efEeEAbmsUHO_sZ>

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Ceremony - Jodi Roberts

[Corky]

Addendum. Just checked out the music on Jodi's web site. Though I have 
an extensive New Age collection and love the genre, I must say, "Brule 
she is not". Mushrooms and peyote might improve my opinion. My wife has 
already told me what an "insert colorful metaphor here" I am.

Apologies,
Corky

Corky wrote:
Wow, guys cannot promote peace, deal with shamanic healing or 
holographic medicine? Guess we will have to stick to "better caving 
with chemicals" and "peace through victory". I always thought a 
concert there would be cool, guess I'll never know. At least I heard 
the "Rock Music" Mr. Ebell used to play.


Nancy Weaver wrote:


Jodi in the CaveSaturday July 19th $25
Cave Without a Name
Women's Peace Ceremony Concert

Sherry Gingras on Percussion
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbinfFc0k3UUymq_5Eao7M0HAuaUbFb4EJK4lzvxpedkPwQ-X2z8SZYJL10kkfK6rNZmjPcKJ1-eBviNShMbCEwaOeKsYz2mDuwA9FuP7dVasg==>Jodi 
Roberts Tibetan Bowls, Bells, and Wind Gongs
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001VJpDV53jJbgzP0J5MZlMf-ZRkl2V0uupDWFctH8Xl9xfzTWgr0O6sWCxHk50Q_Xhcswp7pLLZQY6V8N2rJLwpqSH5BUPlCeKGOcScozxCUjIgpZyvoTM7xwQRbbyreMk>Stephanie 
Phillips Viola

Lauren D'Albert on didgeridoo and doumbek

325 Kreutzberg Rd Boerne Texas
Women Only Please
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Tickets available at the Cave Website click here

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Saturday September 20th 7PM $25
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Paul Hubbert on Vocals and Crystal Bowls
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Roberts on Tibetan Bowls
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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Ceremony - Jodi Roberts

[Corky]

Wow, guys cannot promote peace, deal with shamanic healing or 
holographic medicine? Guess we will have to stick to "better caving with 
chemicals" and "peace through victory". I always thought a concert there 
would be cool, guess I'll never know. At least I heard the "Rock Music" 
Mr. Ebell used to play.


Nancy Weaver wrote:


Jodi in the CaveSaturday July 19th $25
Cave Without a Name
Women's Peace Ceremony Concert

Sherry Gingras on Percussion
Jodi 
Roberts Tibetan Bowls, Bells, and Wind Gongs
Stephanie 
Phillips Viola

Lauren D'Albert on didgeridoo and doumbek

325 Kreutzberg Rd Boerne Texas
Women Only Please

Tickets available at the Cave Website click here


Saturday September 20th 7PM $25
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Paul Hubbert on Vocals and Crystal Bowls
Jodi 
Roberts on Tibetan Bowls
Cave 
Without a Name

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Re: [Texascavers] Ticks and Ticks

[Corky]

Yes indeed! Although swelling around the bite is atypical, it does 
happen as I can personally attest too. Even after all these years, the 
bite site still occasionally swells and itches. Although this affliction 
is somewhat rare, it is alive and well in western and southwestern Texas.
Fortunately the cure is the same antibiotic class that will generally 
clear up Lyme disease (Lyme does NOT always make the bullseye mark.). 
I've experience with both diseases as well as Relapsing Fever. Ticks 
find me very tasty, I guess.

Wear Your DEET! (Drinking water from sulfur springs works well too.)
Corky

Fritz Holt wrote:

Corky,
I was unaware of this but assume from your post that Tularemia may also be 
contracted by tick bites. Is that correct?
Thanks, Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Corky [mailto:caveman2...@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:20 AM
To: Scott
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Ticks and Ticks

Scott,
There are is another concern other than Lyme disease. There is Tularemia
(rabbit fever). Tularemia also begins with a swollen bite site and for
me, led to swollen lymph glands the size of quarters in and around the
bite area. Look it up on the web for more info as it kept me debilitated
for about six weeks. Butch will remember when I contracted it at River
Styx and was still suffering several weeks later for the SPR.
Hoping All Is Well,
Corky


Scott wrote:
  

So do I need to be concerned that my tick bite is now the size of a
silver dollar, red, and burning/itching..

Of course now its hard not to feel psychosomatic.


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Re: [Texascavers] Ticks and Ticks

[Corky]

Scott,
There are is another concern other than Lyme disease. There is Tularemia 
(rabbit fever). Tularemia also begins with a swollen bite site and for 
me, led to swollen lymph glands the size of quarters in and around the 
bite area. Look it up on the web for more info as it kept me debilitated 
for about six weeks. Butch will remember when I contracted it at River 
Styx and was still suffering several weeks later for the SPR.

Hoping All Is Well,
Corky


Scott wrote:
So do I need to be concerned that my tick bite is now the size of a 
silver dollar, red, and burning/itching..
 
Of course now its hard not to feel psychosomatic.



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Re: [Texascavers] Barack Obama a caver?

[Corky]

Apes cannot swim, monkeys can though. Perhaps the confusion was on 
Barack's part, not yours.

Corky

David wrote:

I am confused.

How do the apes eat figs and howl in an "underwater grotto?"

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Photo Gear

[Corky]

Absolutely Not! Please continue to post to Texas Cavers. Cave 
photography know how is always welcome here.

Corky

Travis Scott wrote:

First, should we move this thread off Texascavers?

Second, and continuing..  Nice to know that the 9V works with the 
capacitor. I would prefer not to have the battery hanging out the back 
though...  I can still get the 15v batteries while I can get them.   I 
also don't know how long they will last both using the capacitor and 
without..  I did bypass the capacitor and plugged the 15V straight to 
the switch and it worked fine to fire the bulbs, so thats a good 
alternative if you don't need it slaved..


One other thing (as you can tell, I am not all that electricaly 
smart), there is no on/off switch on the Honeywells, do you have to 
take the battery out every time you are done using it?  I would 
imagine it would drain the battery keeping the charge in the capacitor..


I have tried home made lights.  I took the folding reflector off of a 
Ricoh flash unit, placed it on a bulb socket for car's taillight and 
made a 9v battery pack that connects to it.  It works well but you 
have to have a bulb adapter for smaller bulbs.  I have a RCA type 
connection between the two so I can use the 9v with various other home 
made flashes of all sorts, from under water bulbs on long wires, to 
the big bulbs using the speedgraphic flashguns or light bulb 
sockets..  It works well, and is fairly good, but you have to carry a 
bunch of stuff.  Hence why I am using trying the honeywells that take 
both the M2b size and the medium bayonet size bulbs.. That would 
reduce weight, increase reliability and can be slaved...


Rob, I didn't think about using series AAs, but that would probably 
work (shooting in Bulb mode).  AAs are big too and probably wouldn't 
fit in the little compartment (again, my preference).  But there are 
other batteries that might..


I will track down some new capacitors (I have already had some 
offered, THANKS!) and try that until I can't get the 15V batteries 
anymore..


Thanks again!

TS



- Original Message - From: "Brian Masney" 
To: "Travis Scott" 
Cc: "TexasCavers. com" 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave Photo Gear



You definitely want to use the capacitor. You can use the new
capacitor with the 9V battery but the 9V battery does not fit in the
compartment with the capacitor. I used some tape to attach the battery
to the side of my flash unit. I took a picture of one of my Honeywell
flash guns for you:

http://flickr.com/photos/masneyb/2217801408/

I also made two small flashguns out of PVC pipe that will take a bulb
with a medium screw base. (This allows you to fire larger bulbs such
as #2s and #3s.) I am going to make a small adapter that screws in
that will allow me to fire the same bulbs as the Honeywell
Tilt-A-Mite. I also need to make some reflectors that fold up in a
compact manner. I am hoping that this will (slightly) reduce the
amount of photography gear that I need to take in for caves that
require a combination of large and small bulbs. Here is a picture of
the new gun:

http://flickr.com/photos/masneyb/2103975183/

Brian


On Jan 24, 2008 6:26 PM, Travis Scott  wrote:

Brian,

Great, thanks.  I figured I could get the right capacitor, but 
didn't think
it would fit, and didn't know if it would work right.  I'll check it 
out.

Thanks!

Does the 9v work with the capacitor, or had you just bypassed the 
capacitor
on that unit and just connected the 9V straight to the green 
switch?   If
the 9V works with the capacitor, thats GREAT, then you can still use 
it with
a slave..  The one with the bad capacitor, I just bypassed it, but 
would

prefer to use it with the capacitor (for the sake of using it with the
firefly).

Also, I looked at the 9V option, seems they don't fit inside the
battery/capacitor compartment..  Especially with the capacitor in 
it.  Am I

wrong or missing something?

Thanks for the help!!!

Travis
(native Texan caver, wishing I had caves like you have there!)



- Original Message -
From: "Brian Masney" 
To: "Travis Scott" 
Cc: "TexasCavers.com" 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cave Photo Gear


> Hey Travis,
> I had the exact same problem with several of my Honeywell
> Tilt-a-Mites. I took my old capacitor to Radio Shack and I was 
able to

> find one with the same rating. Be sure to purchase one where the
> positive and negative terminals are on opposite ends. This allows you
> to solder the capacitor to the flash unit. Also, be sure to get one
> that allows the capacitor to fit in the same compartment as the old
> one. It should only cost you $2 or so for the right part.
> I needed to replace the 15V battery in two of my flashes. Those
> batteries can be a little bit expensive and h

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Show on Discovery Channel

[Corky]

John, what kind of rocks can you afford to date? Are we talking common 
minerals, or are you more in the semi-precious to precious stone range now? 
Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation.
Long time no see!
Take Care,
Corky




John P Brooks wrote:

But if the earth is only 8 to 10,000 years old...why is the age of speleothems 
important? Does dating them prove that the cave existed before creation?

  
  


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[Texascavers] Apology

[Corky]

Sorry folks,
I became lost as to who was posting what. Someone from my grotto did not 
post an offensive remark and I send my regrets for getting confused.
Can we try to keep the the topics cave related and shy away from 
religion and politics in the future?

Thanks,
Corky

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Re: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution

[Corky]

Ditto! What is the unsubscribe link? I cannot believe a person from the 
grotto I helped create could spew such venom and hate. My daughter 
wonders why I will not take her to the meetings. I can show her one of 
the reasons now in black and white. You do not have to believe in God to 
follow the teachings of Jesus. Especially the part about everyone 
getting along with each other. Goodbye to all my friends and 
acquaintances, and good riddance to the rest of you.

Cave Softly,
Corky

Rick wrote:


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*From:* Travis Scott [mailto:tra...@oztotl.com]
*Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:42 AM
*To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution

 

I have to chime in here and make a comment regarding the general 
attitude and lack of respect of what seems to be many-a-caver on this 
list...


 

After taking this conversation from being a rude belittling argument 
and turning it into a nice pleasant discussion regarding evolution and 
religion (which I think many people were glad to finally see, thanks 
Brian), it has now been taken full circle to the offensive, rude, and 
dogmatic.  I don't understand why the people on Texascavers can't be 
polite, respectful and intelligent, especially when it comes to the 
possibility of severely offending some fellow cavers, no matter what 
the topic, religious or not.


 

This conversation had actually matured from this sort of content and 
now is back to crap again, thanks for that.


 

I am almost constantly amazed at how rude, arrogant, dogmatic, and 
down right offensive "Texas Cavers" can be.  I find it impressive that 
these people think they are s right, that ANYONE who believes 
something different is, let me quote, "stupid".  This is a public 
forum, can't people make the slightest effort to be polite and 
respectful to each other?  Do you people act this way at work, to 
family, to friends?  If not, why do it to your fellow cavers?


 

I do know of a good few folks that have actually been completely 
turned off from and have quit caving by "cavers" that act this way, 
specifically on this listserve too.  By the way, there are also land 
owners on this list, these are the people we need to respect and make 
the biggest effort to show that we are somewhat intelligent, 
RESPECTFUL and professional to.  Piss them off and how will you ever 
go caving (whats that?)?


 

On another note, I agree with Linda.  This whole thing is way off 
topic.  This list has increasingly gotten worse about OT subjects over 
the last few months and is getting quite frustrating.  In fact, 
another list was even been set up so people that really care about 
Caving (whats that again?) can actually talk about caving and not have 
to filter through this shit to find it.. 

 


Sorry, had to throw that out..

 


Travis

 


- Original Message -

*From:* Don Cooper <mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com>

*To:* caverc...@maverickgrotto.org
<mailto:caverc...@maverickgrotto.org>

*Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>

*Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:06 AM

*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Evolution -- the facts and theory

 


OK.   I am not going to try to convince anyone the earth is a
globe - and not flat.
Yet there are pea-brained people that think just that. Believe in
a Flat World?  FINE.
If you aren't on the evolution bandwagon - If you think a magic
dude or specific plan was necessary to cause it all to happen -
FINE.  You are limited.
Be stupid.  I don't care!
Evolution is real.  The creator is the mechanism itself.  Old holy
presumptions are simply ignorant and why anyone holds on them is
NOT our problem.
Let's move on and just FORGET this creationism crap.

Let the apologist speak for the weaknesses of their own faith. 
But I don't care to listen.


-WaV



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Re: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears

[Corky]

Follow this link. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html
It states that a UHF antenna should be sufficient. Of course this is a 
.gov website and probably should be viewed with skepticism.

Corky

Louise Power wrote:
You guys (not just you, Gill) are not getting it. The broadcast of 
analog TV signals will be no more as of March 1, 2009. Your rabbit 
ears will be useless. It's not the frequencies, it's the fact that it 
will be broadcast digitally. As Mark Minton said: "It is a different 
set of frequencies, *_but it is also digital rather than analogue, 
which is the important change.  Your old rabbit ears would be useless."_*
** 
For additional information, see: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television
 



> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:21:52 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: gi...@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears
>
> At 05:54 PM 1/4/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
> > Don Cooper said:
> > >I'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will work with digital - as I
> > understand its a different set of frequencies
> > It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also digital
> > rather than analogue, which is the important change. Your old
> > rabbit ears would be useless.
>
> You gotta have some kinda antenna. I'm guessing that if the
> frequencies are different, they will be a whole lot shorter. That
> means all ya gotta do is chop your rabbit ears off a to be a lot 
shorter also.

>
> --Ediger
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: TV Converter Box Coupons

[Corky]

Unless your rabbit ears can receive UHF (the little loop), but swinging 
the long antennae around will get you nowhere. The only reason I would 
need this silly device is during severe weather, when my satellite dish 
loses reception. I still like to see the storm updates and nexrad 
realtime to determine if I should run, hide, or place my head firmly 
between my legs and you get the picture.

Corky


Minton, Mark wrote:

  Don Cooper said:
 
>I'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will work with digital - as I 
understand its a different set of frequencies
  It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also digital 
rather than analogue, which is the important change.  Your old rabbit 
ears would be useless.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Cinder Blocks 101--good grief

[Corky]

Corky wrote:
Irradiate me! Make me glow in the dark! (Hey, that would be useful while 
caving.) But please don't make me drive in rush hour traffic, it is 
statistically more dangerous.

Corky

Gill Ediger wrote:
This is really not all that important.
--Ediger

!! I thought I said that !!
And if you do start glowing in the dark, you can play music in your 
yard, dance, and have a cheap Christmas light show.


Merry Christmas All! (Or what ever late December festivities you may or 
may not indulge in.)

Corky

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Re: [Texascavers] radiation

[Corky]

Irradiate me! Make me glow in the dark! (Hey, that would be useful while 
caving.) But please don't make me drive in rush hour traffic, it is 
statistically more dangerous.

Corky

George Nincehelser wrote:
I'm sure there's a certain amount of hysteria involved, but there does 
seem to be substancial evidence that lead exposure during childhood 
has a big impact on their neurological development.
 
Apparently lead tastes sweet to children, so they're likely to ingest 
harmful quantities.
 
I've heard that a lead compound was used as a sweetner in Roman times, 
and may have been the cause of dementia in certain rulers.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] OT The Geminids are coming! The Geminids are coming!

[Corky]

With a possible break in the rain no less!   Yeeaaahhh!

Louise Power wrote:

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22149504/?GT1=10645
  

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Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

[Corky]

Or even better for us that are unable to cave right now, we could line 
our homes with LED's and project images of cave interiors. I could take 
a cave trip and never leave the farm! All I would need is a can of Guano 
Air Freshener to complete the illusion.

Corky


John P Brooks wrote:

Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen 
P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking 
for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was 
transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the improvements in LED 
Media Wall technology; it would be possible to line the ceiling of a cave with 
an LED mesh...and then place cameras on the surface to capture what flys 
over...or capture images, so you know if its raining or when it gets dark 
outside. You could even add a satellite dish so you could catch the latest 
Desparate Housewives episode or watch the tu longhorns play. Of coursethese 
images are very grainy...so it would need to be a large room. Which leads one 
to wonder why you couldn,t just line all the walls, floor and ceilings with 
LEDs? Then you could play one of those Lechugilla 360 dvds and it would be 
almost like the real thing. But if you wanted to see
 the planes fly over in this scenario...you might have to add it in with 
photoshop or animate it.

Allan B. Cobb wrote: 
  
 > Strictly an 
opinion but as the DC3 is obsolete, 3% ain’t bad. My first commercial 
 > flight was on a 
DC3 from Bryan/College Station to Houston 
 > while attending 
 Allen 
 Academy in about 1950. 
   
 I rode on a DC-3 on a flight between Cozumel and 
Cancun back in 1983.  The starboard engine was smoking really badly but we 
made it OK.  There is still one sitting at the airport in Guatemala 
City.  It has moved around over the years but I don't know if they still 
fly it.  The Guatemalan air force has some P-51 Mustangs that it still 
flies.  I see them when I go to Guatemala for caving.  (Just to make 
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - a computer observation

[Corky]

I remember my first computer, a TRS-80. It boasted a whopping 4K of 
memory and a tape recorder for a drive. I wrote some amazing programs on 
that little thing. I'd love to see some of the programmers today cope 
with it. Everybody has forgotten what a nano-second is in terms of 
electricity and light.

Just Rambling,
Corky

David Locklear wrote:

This is way off-topic, but most of you seem to have
some interest in computers.


When I was in college in 1982, our engineering
school had a Cray supercomputer.We didn't know what
it did, or what it was for.But it operated at some sort
of blazing speed, as in 250 megaflops.

It seems that even the cheapest crappiest computers in the
stores today are far more powerful than that.

In fact, I think even some smartphones or PDA's may be
more powerful than that.

Does that sound right, or am I missing something?


While on the subject, I think that 75 percent of the most
powerful supercomputers in the world now use Linux.

David Locklear


Ref:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer#Concise_industry_history

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Re: [Texascavers] OT: First Annual Conference of Creation Geologists

[Corky]

I think the main problem with creation science is the question, "What is 
a day to God?" Surely it is not one diurnal rotation of this utterly 
insignificant little blue green planet. That at least would solve the 
timescale problems. They need to get God out of the little box they have 
created for Him.

Corky

Louise Power wrote:
Gregg wrote: /"The root problem of Creationism is not bad science, 
it's bad interpretation of Scripture and bad knowledge of their own 
religion."

/
_Personal opinion:_ Creationism has a lot more problems than just "bad 
science." But the "bad interpretation of scripture" makes me wonder 
just which scripture is it that you're talking about. Most scripture 
was written decades if not millenia after the events supposedly 
happened, by a variety of authors, in a variety of languages which 
have been translated, retranslated and reinterpreted for millenia. 
Then there are the books dropped so that the ones that remained 
conformed to someone's idea of what was religio-politically (my own 
word/description) correct. So which of these are they misinterpreting? 
The latest one in English? Hebrew? Sanskrit? Aramaic? Frankly, I don't 
think most people know enough about these miscellaneous books which 
have been thrown together to make any kind of valid interpretation. Or 
base a religion on.
 
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:02:15 -0600

> From: iar...@io.com
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT: First Annual Conference of Creation 
Geologists

>
> The size of Noah's Ark:
>
> So, does it strike anyone else as funny that these people would stand
> against the tide and insist the Bible tells them exactly how old the
> Earth is, but then not pay attention to the dimensions of the Ark given
> in Genesis? Or are they going on and on about the length of Noah's
> Wife's arm? (I'm actually kind of serious. The root problem of
> Creationism is not bad science, it's bad interpretation of Scripture 
and

> bad knowledge of their own religion.)
>
> I suppose caves were all made in the flood too, right? Isn't that how
> it goes? Think of all those poor prehistoric bats that were buried when
> the flood filled (oops, we don't have caves yet. . . anyway. . . ) with
> water because the sons o' God just had to come down and do the nasty
> with some girls and make some giants. . . Seems a little wasteful,
> doesn't it. . .
>
> But right, these are the same folks that usually side with parties and
> systems that rape the environment all the time anyway. So it's all in
> kind. . .
>
> Creationism is not as much off-topic as we all would like it to be.
>
> (End of rant.)
>
>
> Gregg
>
>
> John P Brooks wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone else saw the article on the first annual
> > gathering of Creation Geologists in last weeks New York Times
> > Magazine? Great reading. An interesting and dramatic account of the
> > first conference of creation geologists as they struggle through the
> > perplexing geologic questions of the daysuch as "how did the 
Grand
> > Canyon form?", "how did fossils get layered so consistently?" ( It 
had
> > to do with thier distance from the sea shore when Noahs flood hit) 
and

> > my favorite topic; "how big was Noahs Ark?".
> > Particularly poignant was an account of the geologists on a field 
trip

> > picking up fossils and pocketing them in a state park ( what about
> > thou shall not steal? )and the young son of one of the leaders of
> > the group asked "how did all these fossils get here?"to which his
> > dad answered "the flood brought them here". Someone should tell that
> > kid that parents always lie; Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the tooth
> > Fairy, and now a big world encompassing flood that leave deposits of
> > fossils in an Ohio State Park. Amazing. God help us all.
> >
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Sea Level Rise--the Map

[Corky]

It seems a quick Google of FEMA flood maps and sea level only takes you 
to insurance company sites. Also, if you read the "about" on the sea 
level map, it states there are several inaccuracies.


Corky

Ron Ralph wrote:


I plugged in my house on the top of a fluvial divide that has not 
flooded since the Pleistocene and got back a Low to Moderate risk 
rating with a button to push if I wanted to buy insurance. I think 
this is a scam or at best a scare tactic. Where are the FEMA flood 
zone maps with 25 year and 100 year averages?


 


Ron

 




*From:* Allan Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:36 AM
*To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] RE: Sea Level Rise--the Map

 

I saw that Ediger didn't include the link either so I did a google 
search for sea level rise map and it was the first hit.


 


http://flood.firetree.net/

 

I would like to add the sea level rise WILL NOT affect this year's TCR 
site.  Mother Nature is not invited so we are not expecting floods!


 


Allan

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*From:* Minton, Mark <mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu>

*To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:44 AM

*Subject:* [Texascavers] RE: Sea Level Rise--the Map

 


  Ediger said:


>Here is the map of sea level rise I've been looking for.

 


  Where?  There was no URL given.  Remember - no attachments
on Texascavers.  :-)

 


Mark Minton



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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Sea Level Rise--the Map

[Corky]

It's not nice to fool Mother Nature.

Corky

Allan Cobb wrote:
I saw that Ediger didn't include the link either so I did a google 
search for sea level rise map and it was the first hit.
 
http://flood.firetree.net/
 
I would like to add the sea level rise WILL NOT affect this year's TCR 
site.  Mother Nature is not invited so we are not expecting floods!
 
Allan


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*From:* Minton, Mark <mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu>
*To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:44 AM
*Subject:* [Texascavers] RE: Sea Level Rise--the Map

  Ediger said:

>Here is the map of sea level rise I've been looking for.
 
  Where?  There was no URL given.  Remember - no attachments

on Texascavers.  :-)
 
Mark Minton




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Re: [Texascavers] An apology.

[Corky]

Hear  Hear!
We can trash Christianity or any other religion on this format.
We can rant about property owners because they want to make money 
instead of save a cricket or something.

It's okay to call border security an ecological danger or disaster.
It's all right to be thoughtless about dead "rich" people.
Trashing corn farmers is good too.
Cursing is allowed.
Nudity is encouraged.
Interestingly enough, all of these listed topics and grammar deal with 
political or sociological views.
However, these posts are all accepted by the majority, and vehemently 
defended if someone states they are offended. An apology was not 
warranted in Fritz's case, as no one else has apologized for their 
potentially offensive posts. Get over it and press the delete button if 
you do not like what you are reading.


So now, why don't we just talk about caves and related topics and just 
keep it at that.

Corky


Ryan Michael Lozano wrote:
I, for one, actually rather liked it.  If the sleaze monkey or 
whatever he goes by can spout off about religion, or rather his 
poorly-rationalized anti-religious beliefs, then I see no reason why 
this wasn't every bit as appropriate.  Personally, I'll be forwarding 
it on to like-minded, tax-paying, fed-up friends...


Best,

Ryan

*/Fritz Holt /* wrote:

I hope that all of the many members of the caving community whom I
have offended by my thoughtless post will accept my apology for
having done so. I had a lapse in good judgment in forwarding the
post and for my inflammatory and uncalled for remarks. Political
views do not have a place on this format and I have learned this
the hard way.
Fritz



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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Names

[Corky]

Dennis Thompson and I named a cave in Oklahoma "Talkington's Torture 
Cave. Some of the passage names were "The Arm Pit", "Gluteal Fold", etc. 
etc.. It was a lot of fun to take newbies there and see if they were 
really interested in caving.

Corky

Fritz Holt wrote:


How about a BBQ pit?

F

 




*From:* Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:07 PM
*To:* gi...@att.net
*Cc:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cave Names

 


Hmmm -  how about Adjustable Rate Morgage (A.R.M.) Pit?
-WaV

On 8/30/07, *gi...@att.net <mailto:gi...@att.net>* < gi...@att.net 
<mailto:gi...@att.net>> wrote:


How 'bout: [Anybody's] Arm Pit?

--Ediger

-- Original message --
From: "Don Cooper" mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com>>
>
> Is there a sinkhole de mayo anywhere?
> -WaV

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Re: [Texascavers] Floyd Collins House

[Corky]

Ace In The Hole, re-released as The Big Carnival did indeed star Kirk 
Douglas.

Corky

Fritz Holt wrote:


Having read early accounts of Floyd Collins being trapped and dying in 
Crystal Cave and Preston�s post reminds me of the cave related movie, 
�The Big Circus�. This movie is from the 50�s or maybe 60�s and is a 
take-off of what went on above ground during the rescue attempt. I�ll 
check my movie book at home tonight if anyone is interested in more 
details. Kirk Douglas may be in it.


Fritz



*From:* Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 9:34 PM
*To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* [Texascavers] Floyd Collins House

I am going to send this again as I don't think it posted earlier 
today. On Aug. 5th we hiked down to the Collins House.




The Floyd Collins House at Mammoth Cave National Park is being 
restored. Two
park maintenance men have been working on the home all summer. The 
house has
been jacked up and all of the rotten foundation wood and flooring have 
been
replaced. Foundation stone has been redone so the house is now well 
off the
ground and the floor is level. New drywall has been installed, the 
chimney

brick inside from the collapsed chimney has been removed and the roof has
been repaired with new metal. We thank Bob Ward at the park for this
restoration. The last major restoration on the House was done in the late
'80s by park maintenance head C.D. Church and crew. The Crystal Cave 
Ticket
Office, beside Floyd's Home, was restored last summer in a similar 
fashion.


Cavingly,

Preston



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Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

[Corky]

Howdy All,
On the speleogenesis of the original subject, "speleotherms" (hot stag 
mights, or an editor who cannot use spell check) in the basement, let's 
not forget that these are Government buildings. Built by the lowest 
bidder. Using the cheapest concrete. Using the cheapest laborers. And 
most obviously the cheapest, leaky pipes. Add acidic water and low 
humidity,  instant speleotherm. I'm not sure about the mine, not enough 
information presented for a suitable hypothesis.

As for the God topic,
If you are right, I'm just a future oil deposit.
If I'm right...

Louise Power wrote:


Ah! Gotcha. Thnx


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A speleotherm is one of the HOT speleothems that Diana wants to

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