Re: [Texascavers] Video "clip" of the week

[Jenny Holt]

Oh David-learn how to cook...😢💤

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On Jul 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am giving the video in the link below a merit award, but only as a "clip," 
and not as
an entire video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-xFXON0BU

at 50 seconds, the cameraman has to get out of the way, and so for about
30 seconds the clip is not watchable, but then the caver being filmed appears
to bypass the awkward restriction.

I have been in several wet squeezes.  Klar's Ranch Salamander Cave ( # 1 or 
# 2 ?? )
Eriks River Cave in Indiana, and Lamplighter's Cave in Indiana.

I have been stuck momentarily in some dry squeezes
The One-Legged-Man Passage in Airman's ( long legs ), and The Corkscrew in
Midnight Cave in Carta Valley ( only because I was fat )

I think any other tight spots that I encountered ( in the late 80's ) where 
only because I was 6 feet tall
and had broad shoulders and was over-weight.

D.L.


I have a question for you.

Imagine yourself as self-employed and all alone operating
some sort of business - as your only source of income ( no other money coming 
in ).
How much money, would you realistically expect to profit per day after 
subtracting expenses and taxes ?
I don't see how anybody can do it.   I worked my tail off today, and while I 
may eventually
someday get paid $ 100 for that work, I had $ 50 in gas expenses, and overhead 
related
to an office, fax machine, internet, cell-phone, car repairs, taxes.
( One can write off just about everything though, so when it
is all said and done, there is not enough taxable income to even pay for social 
security )
But you got to figure in the dead-days, or in my case dead-weeks. I do pay 
my
fair share of taxes, as I eat out 14 meals per week, and stay in motels, and 
buy lots and lots
of gas.For the past 21 years, about 10 % of my income probably went to 
sales taxes.


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Re: [Texascavers] Home Sweet Home

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

Thx for sharing. I LOVED that old farmhouse. Great pic!  Where was that?

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On Nov 26, 2017, at 9:08 PM, David via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

From David Locklear


I hope you all made it home safe.

My trip was uneventful.

I drove about 1,500 miles all by myself.  Under slightly different 
circumstances I could have just as well gone to Bustamante and taken some 
riders, but that was just not meant to be.

I have nothing to show worthwhile of my effort, except a few photos ( mostly 
selfies ) from the experience.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/LV5kZAp1rD19IveV2
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Re: [Texascavers] The speleo-blues

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

Yes-we all have! You make everything harder than it needs to be & you can't 
afford it anyway so why do you try so hard?  There are sooo many other, safer, 
and closer road trips you could do. Come to Dripping Springs & spend TG with 
Fritz, June, me & others-you're welcome. No drama, easy peasy! Take the logical 
trip. 

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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:08 PM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> From David Locklear
> 
> Have you ever had to back out of trip at the last minute after you put your 
> heart and soul into making trip preparations ?
> 
> I call it the speleo-blues.  Or in this case, just the road-trip-blues.
> 
> It is Wednesday night. 10 p.m., and my 4x4 vehicle is packed ready to pull 
> out of the driveway prepped for an adventure into lower parts of The Sierra 
> Madres.  The ice chest is already loaded and packed.  I just have a cot and 
> some blankets and my boots.  I am ready to to see shooting stars fly across 
> The Milky Way.
> 
> I have 4 new all-terrain tires installed and balanced and locked to my new 
> junk-yard 18 inch steel rims with lug nut locks.  I have test-driven the new 
> tires 40 miles.  That project ended up costing $ 700.
> 
> Meanwhile, my beloved wife arrived safely at the house that she owns in 
> Monterrey, Mexico all by herself about an hour ago.
> 
> I am now in Arcola at home, sitting on the couch, realizing the reality that 
> I need to blow off the road-trip and hunker down.  I am free as a bird for 
> the next 88 hours.  In my younger days, I would be passing thru Nuevo Laredo 
> Mexico by 5 a.m.  But the wiser old geezer cumurdgeon in me warns me of the 
> realities if things do not go as planned.  Even just a few months ago, I 
> would have said to myself "ah, to H*'ll with it all, and just drove off 
> blindly into the wind."
> But not this time, the realties of life have beaten me down to be more 
> cautious.  There are just way too many logistical 'what-if" scenarios to pull 
> out of the driveway.  For example, what if I can not get my daughter home on 
> time ?  She is in Arlington and has to be in Arcola Sunday night.
> 
> As far as trip alternatives, 
> 
> I would like to watch the launch of the Flat-Earth Research Rocket on 
> Saturday.  I have only been to the Mojave Desert once.  Watch that live 
> on-line if you can.
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving.
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Re: [Texascavers] Flood relief options

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

Ok Dad-I guess Mandy has called to let you know we are without power now & will 
have to take you up on your offer of housing. Me, Mom, Kathy, Mandy & Jim. 
We'll be in touch tomorrow!  Good night.

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On Aug 28, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

Thou art a good fellow.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

This is my second invitation to coastal Texas Cavers to offer a free safe and 
dry place to stay if you can drive to my home in Dripping Springs, 25 miles 
west of Austin on highway 290. We have three extra bedrooms with baths for any 
of our group in need. Just call me or June and let us know you are coming.
Fritz Holt
713-818-2496
fritz...@gmail.com
June - 832-260-2526

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Re: [Texascavers] [FYI] [@texascaversreunion] [Facebook]

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

How do I get in touch with
with Rob?
Thx,
Jenny holt
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> On Aug 8, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> FYI
> For those who may not know TCR has a Facebook page. One may search for it 
> using: @texascaversreunion
> Keep up with the latest notices, notifications & information.
> 
> TCR needs a registration volunteer, Kris Peña cannot make it this year. Chat 
> with Rob Bisset!
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Re: [Texascavers] Mammoth Cave Specter

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

This reminds me of the Sidney Sheldon novel from the 70's called The Other Side 
of Midnight. A women named Catherine was left for dead without a light source 
in a sea cave. It scared the hell out of me & I never forgot it!  Check out 
this book if you love a great drama/mystery/romance novel.
Jenny Holt

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On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:41 PM, Dwight via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

It's quite interesting since the story seems to have been initially written as 
a piece of fiction.


From: "Louise Power via Texascavers" 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
To: "texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>" 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Cc: "Louise Power" mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:38:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mammoth Cave Specter


Dwight,


Sounds like the plot of a Spielberg movie.



From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 on behalf of Dwight via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:46 PM
To: Cave NM; Cave Texas; TAG Net
Cc: Dwight
Subject: [Texascavers] Mammoth Cave Specter


The Short Story

Experienced Mammoth Cave folks may have heard of Melissa. She was in love with 
her tutor, but he failed to reciprocate her affections.  For her revenge, she 
abandoned him in Mammoth Cave in 1843 without a lamp.  He was never heard of 
again. Visitors and cave guides tell of hearing her voice as she roams the 
passages calling for her lost love.

In some telling of the tale (and it WAS Mammoth Cave, after all) she contracted 
consumption. Her mysterious voice (as heard in the cave) has her doleful 
refrain interrupted by fitful coughing.

If you would like a 2 page PDF file with more details, write to 
dirt...@comcast.net<mailto:dirt...@comcast.net> and request a copy.

DirtDoc



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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR T-Shirts Request For Transport to Paradise Canyon]

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

I hope you had someone pick up your T-Shirts. Don emailed me to hold off to see 
if your other options worked out. Let me know-thx!
Jenny

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Chris Vreeland via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> One is about 18 x 18 x 24, the other is about half that size. Call first- 
> Grace may be coming by, but a backup plan is good 512-289-3510
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Jenny Holt via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> How big are the boxes?  Chris, can you contact me off list?  I may be able 
>> to help. 
>> jhol...@hotmail.com. I'm going down Friday early afternoon, and may be able 
>> to pick them up from you after work Wednesday evening.
>> Jenny Holt
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think he can. He requested them to be picked up at his place.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Don
>>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can, probably, since I'm bringing a trailer. Can he get them to me?
>>>> 
>>>> Stefan Creaser
>>>> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
>>>> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
>>>> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
>>>> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Don Arburn via Texascavers
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:27 PM
>>>> To: TSA Cavers List
>>>> Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR T-Shirts Request For Transport to Paradise 
>>>> Canyon]
>>>> 
>>>> Chris has prior obligations and cannot bring the TCR shirts to Paradise 
>>>> Canyon. Is there anyone in the Austin area, or passing through, able to 
>>>> pick up the two boxes of shirts and see them to this years reunion? 
>>>> Wednesday is his best day to do this. Please?
>>>> 
>>>> --Don
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR T-Shirts Request For Transport to Paradise Canyon]

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

How big are the boxes?  Chris, can you contact me off list?  I may be able to 
help. 
jhol...@hotmail.com. I'm going down Friday early afternoon, and may be able to 
pick them up from you after work Wednesday evening.
Jenny Holt

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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't think he can. He requested them to be picked up at his place.
> 
> 
> --Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --Don
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can, probably, since I'm bringing a trailer. Can he get them to me?
>> 
>> Stefan Creaser
>> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
>> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
>> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
>> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Don Arburn via Texascavers
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:27 PM
>> To: TSA Cavers List
>> Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR T-Shirts Request For Transport to Paradise 
>> Canyon]
>> 
>> Chris has prior obligations and cannot bring the TCR shirts to Paradise 
>> Canyon. Is there anyone in the Austin area, or passing through, able to pick 
>> up the two boxes of shirts and see them to this years reunion? Wednesday is 
>> his best day to do this. Please?
>> 
>> --Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Don
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Re: [Texascavers] Jim McLane photo

[Jenny Holt via Texascavers]

I share everyone's shock & sadness of Jim's passing. I didn't know him as well 
as most of you. I met him & his girlfriend at the time Donna Mosesman (sp?)at 
my very first TCR in 2006 at Paradise Canyon. I like to think they are now 
together again. He was a great conversationalist & I will miss him. 

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> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Carl Kunath via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Like all of you, I was shocked to receive the news of Jim’s passing.
> He was an irrepressible adventurer with a extraordinary intellect.
> We will certainly miss his presence in the caving community.
>  
> I don’t have too many photos of Jim but I especially like this one 
> (photographer unknown) taken
> in his younger days on a visit to Gruta de Carrizal in November 1964.
>  
> We are diminished.
>  
> ===Carl Kunath
>  
> 
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RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

[Jenny Holt]

Ok Rod...now I wish for more info on on your "truthful" cave related UFO 
sighting.  And I love tales of Chupacabra, Andy.  I was on FB tonight Roger and 
I didn't see anything about your demise or the Miata's; do tell.  Oh and Chris, 
maybe we will take this OT for your sake.  It's my bedtime, I hope to read 
enlightening stories tomorrow.  :)
 



Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:34:31 -0500
From: rod.g...@earthlink.net
To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)





Hey, that was a long time ago, Roger. The UFO sightings were more recent 
(2003). They looked just like some of the UFO sighting I've heard callers 
describe on late night radio, there were more than one of them, they turned out 
to be real, and there's even reason to think they could have been cave related! 
You don't think I'd hoax you about something like that now, do you?

What happened to your Miata? I might be curious, but not curious enough to join 
Facebook.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: caverarch 
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM
To: rod.g...@ieee.org, andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Not a hoax, Rod? Not so sure, having been successfully hoaxed by Rod upon at 
least a couple of occasions in the distant past.

BTW, any word of my demise is premature. Not so, unfortunately for my Miata, as 
Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.

Roger

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke 
To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers 
Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious to read your 
chupacabra story. Keep this up, and I might have to retaliate with my somewhat 
cave related UFO sighting story, and it's not even a hoax.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt 
Cc: "sheryl.ri...@gmail.com" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. 

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On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send intended 
> posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
> goodidea)
> 
> I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod. 
> 
> Sheryl
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> 
> From: Fritz Holt 
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> To: 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
> 
> Rod,
> 
> I am pretty sure I posted this “human interest” snake and alligator stuff on 
> both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy’s 
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate. 
> Probably a computer glitch or he’s getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I 
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is 
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced criticism, 
> I usually have pretty thick skin. Until banned from the site, I will keep on 
> keeping on.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz! More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes. Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either. Slap the person who sent you these, please!
> 
> Andy
> 

RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

[Jenny Holt]

Ok Rod...now I wish for more info on on your "truthful" cave related UFO 
sighting.  And I love tales of Chupacabra, Andy.  I was on FB tonight Roger and 
I didn't see anything about your demise or the Miata's; do tell.  Oh and Chris, 
maybe we will take this OT for your sake.  It's my bedtime, I hope to read 
enlightening stories tomorrow.  :)
 



List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:34:31 -0500
From: rod.g...@earthlink.net
To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)





Hey, that was a long time ago, Roger. The UFO sightings were more recent 
(2003). They looked just like some of the UFO sighting I've heard callers 
describe on late night radio, there were more than one of them, they turned out 
to be real, and there's even reason to think they could have been cave related! 
You don't think I'd hoax you about something like that now, do you?

What happened to your Miata? I might be curious, but not curious enough to join 
Facebook.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: caverarch 
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM
To: rod.g...@ieee.org, andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Not a hoax, Rod? Not so sure, having been successfully hoaxed by Rod upon at 
least a couple of occasions in the distant past.

BTW, any word of my demise is premature. Not so, unfortunately for my Miata, as 
Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.

Roger

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke 
To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers 
Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious to read your 
chupacabra story. Keep this up, and I might have to retaliate with my somewhat 
cave related UFO sighting story, and it's not even a hoax.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt 
Cc: "sheryl.ri...@gmail.com" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send intended 
> posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
> goodidea)
> 
> I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod. 
> 
> Sheryl
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> 
> From: Fritz Holt 
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> To: 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
> 
> Rod,
> 
> I am pretty sure I posted this “human interest” snake and alligator stuff on 
> both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy’s 
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate. 
> Probably a computer glitch or he’s getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I 
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is 
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced criticism, 
> I usually have pretty thick skin. Until banned from the site, I will keep on 
> keeping on.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz! More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes. Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either. Slap the person who sent you these, please!
> 
> Andy
> -

RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

[Jenny Holt]

Ok Rod...now I wish for more info on on your "truthful" cave related UFO 
sighting.  And I love tales of Chupacabra, Andy.  I was on FB tonight Roger and 
I didn't see anything about your demise or the Miata's; do tell.  Oh and Chris, 
maybe we will take this OT for your sake.  It's my bedtime, I hope to read 
enlightening stories tomorrow.  :)
 



List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:34:31 -0500
From: rod.g...@earthlink.net
To: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)





Hey, that was a long time ago, Roger. The UFO sightings were more recent 
(2003). They looked just like some of the UFO sighting I've heard callers 
describe on late night radio, there were more than one of them, they turned out 
to be real, and there's even reason to think they could have been cave related! 
You don't think I'd hoax you about something like that now, do you?

What happened to your Miata? I might be curious, but not curious enough to join 
Facebook.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: caverarch 
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM
To: rod.g...@ieee.org, andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Not a hoax, Rod? Not so sure, having been successfully hoaxed by Rod upon at 
least a couple of occasions in the distant past.

BTW, any word of my demise is premature. Not so, unfortunately for my Miata, as 
Rod would know if only he was on Facebook.

Roger

-Original Message-
From: Rod Goke 
To: Andy Gluesenkamp ; TexasCavers 
Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Oh no! See what you've done now, Andy! You have us all curious to read your 
chupacabra story. Keep this up, and I might have to retaliate with my somewhat 
cave related UFO sighting story, and it's not even a hoax.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
Sent: Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM
To: Fritz Holt 
Cc: "sheryl.ri...@gmail.com" , Rod Goke , Andy Gluesenkamp , TexasCavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
goodidea)

Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:

> I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send intended 
> posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
> goodidea)
> 
> I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod. 
> 
> Sheryl
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> 
> From: Fritz Holt 
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> To: 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
> 
> Rod,
> 
> I am pretty sure I posted this “human interest” snake and alligator stuff on 
> both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy’s 
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate. 
> Probably a computer glitch or he’s getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I 
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is 
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced criticism, 
> I usually have pretty thick skin. Until banned from the site, I will keep on 
> keeping on.
> 
> Fritz
> 
> From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz! More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz! More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes. Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either. Slap the person who sent you these, please!
> 
> Andy
> -

[ot_caving] RE: She is 92, her great grandson 29...

[Jenny Holt]

Wow! That's pretty amazing...I could never do that, even when I was 20-ha!

Jenny
 


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To: o...@texascavers.com
CC: geekazoidman...@hotmail.com; jhol...@hotmail.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:28:33 -0600
Subject: FW: She is 92, her great grandson 29...







Worth watching. No doubt she will make 100.
 
Fritz
 





 




 

This starts off real slow. then watch out!  Guess there's hope for some of 
us oldtimers here.


 

Jackie
 


 

 



Turn up the sound! This is a grandmother and her great-grandson.  SHE is 92 and 
he is 29.
Don't give up on the first minute! The REAL dancing starts on into the clip.

Watch the ENTIRE video, and remember, she is 92!



  
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RE: [ot_caving] 8 tracks

[Jenny Holt]

I also loved the Bread 8 track, but Mandy and I mostly loved our quadraphonic 8 
track of the Doobie Bros, "What was Once Vices are Now Habits". We also enjoyed 
it in our Dad's hand me down '74 Luxury Nova!  Good Times (not the van). Our 
previous hand me down, "The Red Rocket", a '67 Galaxie 500 had headphone jacks 
for both the front and back seats, where we rocked  out to Led Zeppelin 2, 
Grand Funk Railroad, ZZ-Top, Edgar Winter, JC Superstar, Bad Company and the 
Eagles!.  I know...the diversity-ha!  
Geezer's youngest (old) daughter,
Jenny
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List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:48:44 -0600
Subject: [ot_caving] 8 tracks


























I may have the last word on this but I am jumping to OT as
it would be a stretch (until broken) to call this caving related.

 

The coolest songs and sounds for me was “The Best of
Bread” on the Quadraphonic player in my 74 Chevy Nova. The different
sounds from four corners was awesome. Wish I had it back and that they still
recorded in this mode.

 

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RE: [Texascavers] Ed Alexander's obituary

[Jenny Holt]

Life is full of tragedy and unexplained sadness. I can only say that I wished 
I'd known Ed. After reading his obit, I welled up and wanted to know more about 
him and wished I'd met him...what a tragedy!  Ed Alexander made a difference in 
this world! All his friends have testified!
With heartfelt love,
Jenny

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:37:22 -0500
From: gi...@att.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Ed Alexander's obituary

Here is the Austin American Statesman link to Ed Alexander's obituary. Repost 
as you see fit.
  
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/statesman/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=134922351


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FW: [ot_caving] OT - Adam Sandler the comedian

[Jenny Holt]

I actually caught that last night on Letterman. I think it was pretty good, 
better than I would have guessed, but of course I'm a Neil Young fan from way 
back.  See it below, if I managed to get the link.  If I failed, just copy and 
paste the URL into the address field. 
Jenny  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MgpT22xYPU




> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:43:59 -0600
> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> To: o...@texascavers.com; em...@sbcglobal.net; sidca...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [ot_caving] OT - Adam Sandler the comedian
> 
> Did anybody catch Adam Sandler's music performance this week on late night TV
> where he sang a Neil Young song and played guitar.
> 
> I was quite impressed.
> 
> I hope his new movie about the stories is good.
> 
> On a related note,
> 
> I am very disappointed in the reviews I saw for the new Keanu Reeves movie,
> the Earth Stood Still.   This is one of my favorite movies, and I
> think a remake
> needs to be better than the original or otherwise it is a waste of
> everybody's time
> and money.
> 
> David
> 
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RE: [Texascavers] Harry Walker

[Jenny Holt]

Hi David,
I've only met you at TCR this past year, (tuna fish sandwich), but I've been 
reading your posts (not the LED ones) for the past few years and think you are 
a very interesting person. I love that you take such an interest in the caving 
community and yet claim to be an armchair caver. I also admire that you took 
such an interest in Harry Walker. Until this last post of yours, I hadn't 
realized that you had known him from the past. I thought your IKE help was from 
knowing his previous caver status, not that you'd met and spent time with him 
in the past. Kudos to you! I'm sad to hear of his passing, but glad that you 
were there at the end to help with his hurricane dilema. You know he felt 
comfort and relief from your presence in that horrible time. Good luck in your 
job hunt and don't forget that you will be blessed for your kind 
deeds...eventually. (Life is tough, and then you die)  A saying I remember from 
the 80's but not sure of actuallity! 
Cheers,
Jenny Holt
(Not to be confused with my REPUBLICAN father, Fritz) 


 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:20:21 -0600
> From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
> To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Harry Walker
> 
> David,
> 
> Well done,
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geary
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:05 PM
> To: Texascavers Mailing List
> Subject: [Texascavers] Harry Walker
> 
> I will let someone who knew Harry back in his heyday describe him.
> 
> 
> I met Harry in 1989 at a Houston Grotto Meeting. He appeared to be
> in his
> late sixties, but he showed slide shows of recent caving trips to the
> Sierra Madres.   I
> was very impressed with his slideshows and his enthusiasm. He was
> always
> inviting me to go on his trips, and I always had to turn him down,
> because I couldn't
> get off school or work, or it conflicted with going to the NSS
> Convention.
> 
> Harry and I did got to TCR a few times together, the last being the big
> flood at
> Chalk Bluff. And I tried my best to get him to go with me to the
> TCR, just a few weeks ago.
> 
> In 1998, Harry invited me on what would be his last attempt to complete
> all the
> 14'ers in Colorado. But he planned the trip during the Tennessee
> NSS Convention,
> which I was greatly looking forward to.  I had to make a tough
> call, as I knew
> Harry was 70 something, and I would never again get the privilege of
> climbing
> with him.  We tried Mt. Anterra, Greys Peak and Torrey's Peak.
> Harry would
> have made it to the top had he been with an experienced person, but I
> had never
> been mountain climbing and I was way too out of shape. We later went
> rafting
> thru Brown's Canyon on the Arkansas River near Salado, Colorado.
> 
> http://www.atraft.com/8-8-03%2017%20C3_small2.jpg
> 
> Harry was flipped out at Snider's Suckhole and we thought he may have
> drowned.
> It was a very tense moment waiting for someone to find him and pull
> him out of the
> eddy like water.
> 
> Harry apparently started caving in the 1940's, back east somewhere.
> He had
> a low NSS number.  I saw him climb rope at a vertical practice
> about 10 years
> ago, and he did fine. I think he has been into Purificacion.
> I know he climbed
> Pico Candela, and that inspired me to give it a try.
> 
> Harry's claim to fame is that he taught his nephew how to cave. His
> nephew
> moved to Arizona, and went caving with some other guy and found a little
> hole
> that they kept secret for many years called "Kartchner Caverns."I
> recall Harry
> talking excited about it back around 1991 or so. He also showed me
> the recent
> book, before I had seen it at the NSS Convention.
> 
> Harry became an important role model in my life and I looked to him for
> wisdom.
> He more than anybody else, was the caver that advised me to marry my
> current
> wife.Had he told me to run for the hills instead, I probably would
> have.And
> since I have an incredibly wonderful daughter, I can only tell Harry
> "thank you."
> Harry based this judgement on at least 2 road-trips from Houston with
> my then-girlfriend.  One
> to Carta Valley to go in a cave, and the other to at least one TCR (
> 2000 ? ) at
> Flat Creek Ranch.
> 
> Hurricane Ike was a stressful event for the Walkers.I think it
> really took a toll
> on Harry.  However, what really may have done him in was that he
> lost a
> whole lot of money in his retirement account these past few months.
> It was
> only about 4 weeks ago, that

RE: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR

[Jenny Holt]

Hi Chris,
I was very happy to meet you and take ownership of one of your shirts. Thanks 
to my sister, Mandy; she enlightened me to the knowledge of you and your X's 
Austin's T-shirt  history. Glad to hear of your personal glass 
recycling-thanks. I think cavers are the best at trying to do what's right for 
our environment. Looking forward to seeing you again, maybe in the Spring.  We 
don't live in Austin proper so we can not kick our recyclables to the curb...it 
costs us $70 dollars quarterly, but we do it anyway...lots of cans and glass-ha!
Cheers,
Jenny 


cvreel...@austin.rr.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:39:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR

I brought all my glass home with me & put it in my curbside recycling, along 
with a few cans & gatorade bottles from around my tent. Some years, I've hauled 
home a little extra -- I'm really glad someone's taking on recycling for TCR 
these days -- thanks!
Chris

On Oct 14, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Jenny Holt wrote:What about the glass items...were 
they also recycled?  I realize most people don't bring glass to outdoor 
recreation areas to help keep broken glass out of the water and off of the 
riverbanks, but some people forget.  I saw boxes of glass bottles and was 
hoping they were also donated. 
Thanks again Sam for you efforts!
Jenny
 




From: a...@oztotl.com
To: youn...@centurytel.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:35:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR


Thank you for all your work, Sam. Allan- Original Message -From: Sam 
YoungTo: texas caversSent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:31 PMSubject: 
[Texascavers] recycling at TCR
The recycling containers at TCR captured a total of 14 pounds of plastic 
bottles and 26 pounds of aluminum - one pretty good pickup load.  The material 
was donated to Green Guy Recycling of San Marcos and the cavers were given the 
credit for the donation. factoid: Making aluminum from recycled material 
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RE: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR

[Jenny Holt]

Thanks Stefan, 
I appreciate yours and the cooks hard work and for lugging all that heavy glass 
back home.  Kudos to you all! 
Cheers,
Jenny



List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:37:09 -0700
From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
To: jhol...@hotmail.com; a...@oztotl.com; youn...@centurytel.net; 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR























I loaded them up into the empty freezers
the cooks (us!) brought with them and took them home. They’ll hit my kerb
this Friday for pickup by the city J

 

Cheers,

Stefan

 









From: Jenny Holt
[mailto:jhol...@hotmail.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008
5:23 PM

To: Allan Cobb; Sam Young; texas
cavers

Subject: RE: [Texascavers]
recycling at TCR



 

What about the glass items...were
they also recycled?  I realize most people don't bring glass to outdoor
recreation areas to help keep broken glass out of the water and off of the
riverbanks, but some people forget.  I saw boxes of glass bottles and was
hoping they were also donated. 

Thanks again Sam for you efforts!

Jenny

 















From: a...@oztotl.com

To: youn...@centurytel.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:35:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR







Thank you for all your work, Sam.





 





Allan







- Original Message - 





From: Sam Young






To: texas
cavers 





Sent: Tuesday, October
14, 2008 3:31 PM





Subject: [Texascavers]
recycling at TCR





 





The recycling containers at TCR captured a total of 14
pounds of plastic bottles and 26 pounds of aluminum - one pretty good pickup
load.  The material was donated to Green Guy Recycling of San Marcos and the 
cavers
were given the credit for the donation.





 





factoid: Making aluminum from recycled material requires
only 5% of the amount of energy required to make it from ore.





 







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RE: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR

[Jenny Holt]

What about the glass items...were they also recycled?  I realize most people 
don't bring glass to outdoor recreation areas to help keep broken glass out of 
the water and off of the riverbanks, but some people forget.  I saw boxes of 
glass bottles and was hoping they were also donated. 
Thanks again Sam for you efforts!
Jenny
 




From: ac@oztotl.comTo: youn...@centurytel.net; Texascavers@texascavers.comDate: 
Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:35:37 -0500Subject: Re: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR



Thank you for all your work, Sam.
 
Allan

- Original Message - 
From: Sam Young 
To: texas cavers 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] recycling at TCR

The recycling containers at TCR captured a total of 14 pounds of plastic 
bottles and 26 pounds of aluminum - one pretty good pickup load.  The material 
was donated to Green Guy Recycling of San Marcos and the cavers were given the 
credit for the donation.
 
factoid: Making aluminum from recycled material requires only 5% of the amount 
of energy required to make it from ore.
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RE: [ot_caving] Golindrinas parachute-caving

[Jenny Holt]

That video is unbelievable!  I can't imagine having the guts to leap into that 
huge hole. Most importantly, how do you get out?
 
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Subject: [ot_caving] Golindrinas parachute-caving> > How many parachuters have 
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RE: [ot_caving] Vinyl

[Jenny Holt]

My father was in town recently and brought me his old Panasonic turntable and a 
bag of about 15 vintage albums.  You wouldn't believe how heavy the 80's ( ?)  
turntable is.  I've yet to set it up but think I'll get to that tomorrow.  I'm 
looking forward to listening to the original old Beatles albums he was nice 
enough to pass down to me. Vinyl DOES live!
Jenny


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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:41:52 -0600
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: [ot_caving] Vinyl

As some of you know - I recently moved from perky pretty Republican-land Frisco 
Tx back to Austin.
Nearly 200 lbs of that move consisted of flat, circular pieces of vinyl in 
between sheets of cardboard.
So for over two weeks now, I've been unpacking - and one of those unpacked 
things were my old album collection.

My new place has a perfect built-in cabinet/bookcase - as it would seem - 
perfect for a stereo and turntable.
So I unwrapped my Denmark mfr Bang & Olfsen turntable from plastic and bubble 
wrap - hooked it all up and played some of those albums that had not been 
played since before I LEFT Austin over 6 years ago.

I can hardly say how impressed I was!
I'm sure that my auditory acuity has diminished some - but I had forgotten that 
vinyl really does NOT sound so very inferior to digital!
On top of that - sitting in boxes for all these years has done nothing to 
diminish these records.  

It brings me back to the perennial conversation about how long storage media 
last.
Some of these records are over 30 years old and still sound fine.
[I had not heard B.O.C.s 'Tyranny and Mutation' in ages - I listened to the 
whole album from start to finish - WOW]

So - from a caver who sounds like he lives in a cave.
Vinyl still lives -
-WaV



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