from:"Logan McNatt"

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Making Great Hall History

2021-03-27 Thread Logan McNatt


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On 3/27/2021 8:09 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
The TMM needs help.  And they ARE open again.  You can visit your 
favorite dinosaurs again.




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[Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

2012-01-28 Thread Logan McNatt

Thanks to Peter Sprouse and Zara Environmental for forwarding this information; original source unknown.  The early morning storm of Jan 25th 
dumped 5 to 7 inches of rain over much of Travis and Bastrop counties in 6 to 10 hours.  I didn't see anything in the news about this sinkhole.
The huge water quality pond located at Mopac and William Cannon "Shops at Arbor Trails" (inc. Costco, Target, Chuy's etc) went from full to 
empty during this morning's storm.  Over the past year, it was speculated that the pond was leaking.  Few storms had tested the pond over the 
last few months, but this one clearly revealed the issue.  The liner gave way (split) to reveal a large sinkhole which slurped down all the 
water.  Musta been one helluva whirlpool.



(not cave related)  Bastrop State Park got hit real hard by the storm because the fire removed all the ground cover.  The old Civilian 
Conservation Corps culverts had gotten clogged during the long drought, so the water overflowed and took out large chunks of the park roads.  
See the following link for photos.


https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Friends-of-the-Lost-Pines-State-Parks-Bastrop-and-Buescher-State-Parks/313894840447

Logan

Re: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

2012-01-30 Thread Logan McNatt

Fritz,

Joe Datri posted a good photo of the sinkhole on the U.T. Grotto Facebook page. A lot of dirt and rubble in the bottom to be removed. Cavers
are working on getting permission to enter. I hope the city or whoever is in charge decides to leave it open, but I have no idea what will happen.

Regarding the culverts at Bastrop State Park, the staff is short-handed and dealing with layoffs and budget cutbacks as are most of the state
parks. Not to mention the drought and one of the worst fires in Texas history. Even if they had an army of volunteers to clean out all the
culverts after the fire, enough pine needles and other debris have fallen that the culverts would have clogged up again very quickly during the
deluge.

On 1/30/2012 12:13 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:

May this sinkhole be currently viewed? Will this water quality pond be repaired
or allowed to remain as a recharge circuit to the aquifer?

Whether it would have averted the problem or not, it seems the park authorities should have forseen this possibility and kept the culverts
clear of debris.

Fritz, with hindsight

*From:*Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:49 PM
*To:* Texas Cavers
*Subject:* [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

Thanks to Peter Sprouse and Zara Environmental for forwarding this information; original source unknown. The early morning storm of Jan 25th
dumped 5 to 7 inches of rain over much of Travis and Bastrop counties in 6 to 10 hours. I didn't see anything in the news about this sinkhole.

The huge water quality pond located at Mopac and William Cannon "Shops at Arbor Trails" (inc. Costco, Target, Chuy's etc) went from full to
empty during this morning's storm. Over the past year, it was speculated that the pond was leaking. Few storms had tested the pond over the
last few months, but this one clearly revealed the issue. The liner gave way (split) to reveal a large sinkhole which slurped down all the
water. Musta been one helluva whirlpool.

(not cave related) Bastrop State Park got hit real hard by the storm because the fire removed all the ground cover. The old Civilian
Conservation Corps culverts had gotten clogged during the long drought, so the water overflowed and took out large chunks of the park roads.
See the following link for photos.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Friends-of-the-Lost-Pines-State-Parks-Bastrop-and-Buescher-State-Parks/313894840447
<https://www.facebook.com/#%21/pages/Friends-of-the-Lost-Pines-State-Parks-Bastrop-and-Buescher-State-Parks/313894840447>

Logan

Re: [Texascavers] Lost Oasis cricket count

2012-02-06 Thread Logan McNatt


February 29th?  Counting crickets on the night of this "Leap" Year should be 
interesting!

On 2/6/2012 10:05 AM, Jim Kennedy wrote:


Cavers,

The TCMA will be performing a cricket emergence count at the Lost Oasis Cave Preserve in south Austin on Wednesday 29 February.  This is an 
excellent opportunity for a couple of interested volunteers to come out with us and learn what is involved with this biological monitoring 
technique.  The Preserve Manager really only needs two people to participate in the training.  First responses to Ron Ralph at 
ronra...@austin.rr.com  get on the list.  Others are welcome to just show up and observe if they wish.  Ron 
will send the address and a map to participants who need such.  Todd Bayless, the Natural Resources Specialist for Travis County (their karst 
guy) will be doing the training.  There may also be a discussion on red imported fire ant surveys and treatments.  Meeting time at the 
preserve is 5:30 pm.  For more details, contact Ron.


Jim Kennedy

TCMA Preserves Chairman

Re: [Texascavers] O-9 Well trip report - February 4, 2012

2012-02-07 Thread Logan McNatt

Now that's caving, Texas style! Thanks to David for the trip report and to everyone else on the trip. I've never been to 0-9 Well, but one of
my most favorite photos of what Texas caving was like appeared on the cover of The Texas Caver in November 1976. It was taken by James Reddell
in 1962 from the top of the 0-9 windmill, and shows A. Richard's Smith 1953 Plymouth parked by a fence gate, with the fence and a power line
stretching as far as the eye can see across the west Texas desert until they meet on the horizon. If you're fortunate enough to have a copy of
the book 50 Years of Texas Caving, the photo is on page 58. Logan

On 2/7/2012 9:20 PM, David Ochel wrote:

This was a trip to continue the re-survey of the upstream passage of O-9
Well.

Out of 10 cavers originally signed up for the trip, 6 actually made it
to the cave (the others canceling for various reasons): Andrea Croskrey,
David Ochel, Sandi Calhoun, and Sean Lewis arrived from Austin about
half an hour before midnight, and Aubri Jenson and Lydia Hernandez an
hour later. While the actual outside temperatures weren't that cold that
weekend, it was very windy at night and in the mornings.

Two survey teams went into the cave Saturday, all entering by noon.
David (sketcher), Lydia, and Sandi set out to make it to the upstream
end of the cave and survey back towards the entrance. Rather, they ran
into a junction about half-way into the cave. One passage continued
without any survey stations visible, various types of (flagged or
written in mud) station markers had been present on and off before that.
The other passage soon became very tight and had survey markers with
station names that were not on the line plot of the 90's survey that the
surveyors had brought along. It was decided to start surveying the
unmarked passage from the junction on towards the end of the cave, and
to tie into the unknown survey markers. Up to that point, no
water-filled passage had been passed, and those wearing wet suits felt
pretty warm while moving swiftly through the cave. The team surveyed for
about 5 hours in muddy, stoop-walking and hands-and-knees-crawl passage,
until reaching stream passage with water about knee-deep. The survey was
ended here, and the onward passage explored for a few minutes before
returning to the entrance - water continues to be present (up to the
terminal sump, maybe??). Continuation of the survey requires wet suits,
laying in the water frequently will likely be required. 164 meters were
surveyed.

The other team continued surveying upstream from where Bev Shadeï¿½s
survey team had concluded on a previous trip. Aubri sketched, getting
tips from Sean, and Andrea set point. They surveyed for about six hours,
which yielded another 164 meters. Both teams happened to meet a little
after 7 pm at the bottom of the entrance pit. Andrea, Aubri, David, and
Sean went on a downstream tourist trip for about 2 hours while Lydia and
Sandi decided to exit the cave. The downstream trip, even more so than
just being close to the entrance pit, involved battling the intensifying
odors of what smelt like a decomposing skunk just downstream of the
entrance shaft. David de-rigged the cave on the way out, and everyone
was out sometime between 9 and 10 pm. After another windy night
camping, everybody started their way homeward around 9 am on Sunday.

[Texascavers] TCR video by Dorothy Mladenka on YouTube

2011-10-23 Thread Logan McNatt

Dorothy Mladenka from Houston asked me to send this message and link.  It's worth watching, and at the end you'll see the size of the camera she 
used!

Logan

Dorothy writes:

This was taken at the TCR. I used a toy plastic camera: the VQ 2005. It has a 
plastic lens and no sound. NO special effects were used, what you see is 
exactly what I get when I shoot the camera. I have to wait until I download the 
files on the computer before I can see what I did or did not captureI 
purchased the camera for $30 on Walmart.com.Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_gW4Y0RmA

[Texascavers] video of caving in the El Abra

2011-07-13 Thread Logan McNatt

Wow Mark, that video sure does bring back some memories! The rope climbing at the beginning has got to be at 1307 1/2 Kirkwood, the old
Kirkwood Kaver Kommune in Austin. I'm pretty sure that's my 1961 Ford Fairlane parked out front. In the jungle chops, that's me in the brown
Stetson hat and the sleeveless Army shirt, wielding a machete. All those El Abra jungle chops were excellent training for the years I lived in
Belize, and introduced all of us to fer-de-lances, boa constrictors, army ants, parrots, soyates (ponytail palms), mala mujer, and many awesome
pits. I'll never forget watching Frank Binney make the first rappel into Sotano de la Cuesta, and about 30 feet down exclaiming "Oh "
We all thought something was wrong, but he just said "No, you'll see". And we did.

I hardly recognize anyone else in the video except you, Mark. Just looked through the old AMCS Newsletters, and there was a huge trip in Dec
1973/Jan 1974. Could it have been that one rather than Dec 1974? Not sure if the Otate Mine road was open that early, though.

Thanks very much for sending that link, and thanks to Joe and Harold for making
it possible.

Logan McNatt

On 7/13/2011 9:59 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
Harold Goldstein, aka King of the Hlocuts, has digitized and posted on YouTube an old Super-8 video shot by Joe Maskasky back in
December 1974. It depicts a trip up the newly opened Otates Mine road in the Sierra de El Abra, during which a new, shorter trail was chopped
to Sï¿½tano de la Cuesta (-217 m, a large, open-air pit with a 174-m entrance drop). "Only one more chopping day until Christmas!" Along the
way several noteworthy caves were discovered, including the difficult Cueva de Diamante (eventually pushed to -621 m) and Sï¿½tano de Sendero
(-223 m with a 217-m entrance drop). (See early AMCS Activities Newsletters.) Several venerable Texas cavers in their earlier days make
appearances. How many can you recognize? The movie is grainy, discolored and without sound, but will be entertaining for old-timers familiar
with the area and the times. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S90zQBj17kI>

Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] Re: James McLane III

2011-07-19 Thread Logan McNatt


On 7/19/2011 10:19 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

This amazing video is courtesy of James McLane III. What an incredibly 
attractive physical specimen.  Fritz

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Fritz, this forum is probably not the appropriate place to declare your 
personal feelings about James McLane III.

LowGun





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Re: [Texascavers] book reviews: Lew Bicking, Cave of the Winds

2011-08-06 Thread Logan McNatt

Thanks for the book reviews, Bill. Very informative, e.g., I did not know the story about Lew Bicking. The description by Squire is
priceless.-- Logan

On 8/6/2011 9:32 AM, Mixon Bill wrote:
"Lew Bicking: A Legendary American Cave Explorer." Edited by David W. Hughes. National Speleological Society; 2011. ISBN: 978-1-879961-40-1. 7
by 10 inches, 324 pages plus plates, hardbound. $36; discounts for NSS members.

"Solo" Lew Bicking was an enthusiatic and hard-charging caver from his novice days in 1961 until his early death in a motorcycle accident in
1966. He gave his name to the NSS's annual Lew Bicking Award for the exploration and mapping of a cave or group of caves. (Originally,
documentation--publishing--was also a requirement, before the secrecy types got to it.) Bicking was best known for exploration in the East,
especially the Friars Hole Cave System in West Virginia, but he went west a few times, including for the 1964 NSS convention in Texas and the
1966 convention in California, after both of which he did some post-convention caving in Mexico.

David Hughes's recent book on Vertical Bill Cuddington (NSS, 2008) was written to be read. This book is a compilation that can only be
browsed. It contains what appears to be everything ever written about Bicking's caving, by Lew or anybody else, mainly trip reports from the
heyday of the Baltimore Grotto News. Included are a number of obituaries and items concerning the collection of the Lew Bicking Fund and the
creation of the award. There is a section of twenty-nine black-and-white photos on pages not assigned numbers (shame!). Many of the articles
are well written and interesting, but there are an awful lot of them. Finding the ones most informative and entertaining to you will be a
matter of supernatural persistence, or luck. My favorite summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in Mexico after the
1966 convention: "Lew's only traveling and survival equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the largest Spanish
dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears, and he obviously has
some warped goal of not taking them off--ever--for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way from Baltimore to
California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any money--not any--he may
well not have any. Yet he calmly proceeds intact through all the chaos of the byways and accomplishes his goals. He is the true stuff from
which cavers are made."--Bill Mixon

May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

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[Texascavers] Re: Julia's offer to help with FEMA paperwork

2011-09-10 Thread Logan McNatt




On 9/10/2011 5:16 PM, Julia Germany wrote: Let me know if you need help filling 
out the paperwork.
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One more example of the incredible variety of knowledge, skills, abilities, and 
sharing that make cavers one big family.

Thanks Julia!

Logan

Re: [Texascavers] Paging Gerry Geletzke

2011-09-24 Thread Logan McNatt



On 9/24/2011 8:31 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Could  I, or someone, send 
me your new address?


Mark, probably easiest if you send it to you!  !!



LowGun

[Texascavers] Holy Batcow!

2011-10-01 Thread Logan McNatt

This will give you a chuckle.  I have seen some of the cows around Austin but just now found out about the batcow.  Definitely a new species, 
/bovinus./


http://cowparadeaustin.com/photo-gallery

http://pentagram.com/en/new/2011/09/holy-batcow.php#more

LowGun

[Texascavers] OT Bad Times Virus

2011-05-11 Thread Logan McNatt


My favorite virus warning was a parody on virus warnings.  Google Bad Times 
Virus for a chuckle.

LowGun

[Texascavers] Incident at Enchanted Rock Cave, 3/13/11

2011-05-13 Thread Logan McNatt

The following appeared in the Texas Parks and Wildlife "Safety and Risk Management Newsletter", May 2011, page 3. I'm sending it to the NSS,
which publishes a special issue of the NSS News every year or two devoted to American Caving Accidents. Good detailed analysis of everything
from minor incidents like this one to fatal accidents. Makes for some very interesting reading. Check out the website at
http://www.caves.org/pub/aca/

Another reason to support the NSS by becoming a member!

Logan
NSS 11274

Lost Child found in Cave

On 3/13/11 at approximately 1300 hours Officer N. Gilchrest was working in the office checking in day use visitors when she was contacted by
Office Manager Sara Gutierrez in reference to a missing child. Gutierrez advised she had just received a telephone call from the Llano County
Sheriff's Office dispatcher who stated that a 7 yr old white male, 65 lbs, blonde hair, blue eyes, wearing a blue Nike shirt and tan shorts was
missing. He was last seen by his parents on the top of Enchanted Rock at 1240 hours. Park Ranger Justin Berry, Park Hosts Claudia Roland,
Richard Beecher, Joanne Beecher, and Gilchrest responded. They searched Enchanted Rock and Echo Canyon while Berry made contact with the father.
Llano County Sheriff Deputy Bill Wolfe and Park Ranger Gary Verstuyft staged in the parking lot. Verstuyft advised that Llano County had
contacted Fredericksburg Fire Department who was standing by if more personnel were needed for a search. The father told Berry that his son was
hiking on Enchanted Rock with the family. They turned around and he had disappeared. The father stated that his son may have gone into the cave
after he was told he was not allowed to. Berry entered the cave and began talking with hikers. He was advised that a young child had been found
alone in the cave and was hiking out with a group of unidentified hikers. At approximately 1400 hours the boy exited the cave. He stated he had
gone into the cave alone and fell down into a hole. He was unable to get out of the hole. Someone lifted him out and he hiked out of the cave
with them. He stated when he fell he hurt his leg. His injuries did not require medical assistance. State Park Police Officer N. Gilchrest hiked
down the Summit Trail with the boy and his father. The family left the park by private vehicle.

[Texascavers] TPWD to Use LiDAR to Record Rock Art at Panther Cave

2011-05-13 Thread Logan McNatt



It's a rockshelter, not a cave, but hopefully this will be of interest to many 
of you.

LiDAR was also used in the Devil's Sinkhole (State Natural Area) several years 
ago, with the assistance of numerous Texas cavers.

Note:  Tim Roberts is the TPWD archeologist I wrote about several weeks ago 
whose house barely escaped the fires at Fort Davis.


TPWD NEWS RELEASE
*Media Contact:*Rob McCorkle, TPWD, (830) 866-3533 or robert.mccor...@tpwd.state.tx.us; Tim Roberts, cultural resources coordinator, (432) 
426-3897 or tim.robe...@tpwd.state.tx.us


*May 11, 2011*


 Lasers to be Used to Help Document, Preserve Ancient Rock Art

*/Project Beginning Soon at Seminole Canyon State Historic Site/*

COMSTOCK -- Fragile and fading rock art painted thousands of years ago in rock shelters and caves by indigenous peoples at *Seminole Canyon 
State Historic Site*  will soon benefit from the latest in laser technology.


The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, working in partnership with the National Park Service and SHUMLA Archeological Research and Education 
Center, has embarked on a technologically advanced program of documenting, monitoring, and preserving the rapidly deteriorating prehistoric rock 
art at Panther Cave.


Beginning on May 19 contractors at Seminole Canyon west of Comstock will employ LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) mapping techniques to create 
a 3-D map of Panther Cave, a large rock shelter just above the point where the canyon intersects the Rio Grande River along the banks of Lake 
Amistad. Panther Cave in Val Verde County is well-known for its dramatic Pecos River Style pictographs, including a large leaping cat and a 
number of anthropomorphic, or human-like, figures. The site is jointly managed by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department and National Park Service.


Tim Roberts, TPWD's cultural resources coordinator for the region, says extremely detailed digital photos of the site's rock art will be 
overlaid onto a 3-D model of Panther Cave. The rock art site can be accessed by boat, but a chain link fence across the mouth of the shelter 
protects the fragile paintings within.


"The model will be used to help monitor the deterioration of the rock art and be available to visitors who are otherwise unable to access the 
site, initially at computer stations, at Seminole Canyon State Park and Amistad National Recreation Area," Roberts explains. "It also will be 
available to researchers at SHUMLA in Comstock and the Texas Archeological Research Laboratory."


The Panther Cave pictographs, which date as early as 4,300 years old based on available radiocarbon dates, have faced increased deterioration in 
recent years due to apparent increased wasp nesting activities and possibly higher humidity levels within the shelter since the impoundment of 
Lake Amistad in the late 1960s.


Each year thousands of visitors from all over the world find their way to the limestone canyons of the Lower Pecos River country.  The main 
reason most visit is to see the large, vibrant, multicolored paintings of pictographs of shamans, animals and other fantastical figures 
decorating the walls and ceilings of rock shelters in the area. Guided tours are available to some of these sites, including one to the Fate 
Bell Shelter in Seminole Canyon State Historic Site, that requires a short hike down from the park's visitor center on the canyon rim.


"Scientists will be able to compare the imagery resulting from this project with previous photographs to monitor weathering and other damage to 
the pictographs," Roberts says. "LiDAR's accuracy will allow us over time to not only see differences in the rock art, but also to better 
quantify the damage."


2011-05

[Texascavers] Incident at Enchanted Rock Cave, in the news

2011-05-15 Thread Logan McNatt


The incident at Enchanted Rock Cave has resulted in the usual mass media frenzy:

A new children's book series has been started, called "WHAT WOULD YOU DO . . .?"

Book 1 is "WHAT WOULD YOU DO . . . IF DADDY TOLD YOU NOT TO GO IN THAT CAVE?"


Gratuitous headlines soon to appear:

BOY LOST IN CAVERNS!!!  Grotto described as LARGEST, LONGEST, DEEPEST, MOST BEAUTIFUL, AND MOST DANGEROUS in TEXAS, UNITED STATES, PLANET 
EARTH, and probably the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, with unknown passages connecting to CARLSBAD, MAMMOTH, BUSTAMANTE, AND WONDER CAVE; RUMORED TO BE FINAL 
RESTING PLACE OF LOST SPANISH GOLD, JIM BOWIE'S LOST GOLD MINE, D.B. COOPER'S ILL-GOTTEN LOOT, AMELIA EARHART, ROSWELL ALIENS, JIMMY HOFFA, 
BATBOY, AND LOST CIVILIZATION OF ATLANTIS

  BREAKING NEWS!!!  RARE EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI BURY UNIQUE SUBTERRANEAN WONDER 
FOREVER. BATBOY ESCAPES!

The accompanying article just says:  "Read the preceeding gratuitous headline."

LowGun:-D

[Texascavers] old railroad tunnels on the Rio Grande

2011-05-29 Thread Logan McNatt


Don et al.,

Here are some links about the tunnel(s):

http://www.nps.gov/amis/historyculture/tunnelstation.htm

http://www.ohranger.com/amistad/history

This one has a photo of one of the tunnels, partially submerged:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/19369790@N02/3481220482/

[Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Logan McNatt


Some of you probably have seen this before, but I had not until a Memorial Day 
visit to Harbor Freight Tools.

"This 100% polypropylene rope includes fluorescent material that can be charged with either natural or artificial light and will then glow for 
up to 5 hours when placed in the dark.

Fluorescent material can be re-charged as often as needed for up to 6 months.
Perfect for backyard trip hazards, caves, underwater, tent tie-downs, and 
campground perimeter markers.
Diamond-braid minimizes stretch for long life and durability.
Resistant to abrasion, gas-oil, mildew, and chemicals."

3/16" x 50 ft for $2.99; 70 lb "safe working load"
1/4" x 50 ft for $3.99.  90 lb "safe working load"

Not recommended for cavers over 70 to 90 lbs, or for pits over 50 ft deep.

One advantage is being able to see where the rope ends.

LowGun ;-)

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Logan McNatt

I want to clarify that I sent the original message tongue-in-cheek; I was not actually recommending that polypropylene rope is suitable for 
caving.  I was just surprised that "caves" is mentioned on the packaging.  I have enjoyed the comments.  Do any of you know what would be 
involved (and how much it would cost) to make real caving ropes that glow-in-the-dark?  LowGun


On 6/3/2011 9:44 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
I once had polypropylene prusik slings. They worked fine, although I used them only once in a real pit (~100 ft), just to show that I could. 
About that time, Jumars came out, and I could afford the $18 to get a pair.


A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or 
at least seriously degrade, polypropylene. There may once have been a fatal accident at Gaping Gill (340 feet) in England for that reason. The 
nylon used in caving ropes melts at 265C. -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] new book on rock art of Coahuila

2011-06-04 Thread Logan McNatt

Some of you will be interested in this book, which was published in Dec 2010.  Only 1,000 copies were printed if I understand the statement 
correctly "Se tiraron 1000 ejemplares."  If you want one, you need to contact the Whole Earth Provision Company link below.If you live in 
Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, or Houston, ask if they can send it to one of their stores there so you can pick it up and avoid the $10 shipping 
charge.  The book is NOT on the shelf in their stores.


Logan

P.S.  Speaking of rock art, a group of about 8 Austin-based cavers saw Cave of the Forgotten Dreams tonight at the Violet Crown Cinema in 
downtown Austin.



EL ARTE INDIGENA EN COAHUILA by Solveig Turpin
Universidad Autonoma de Coahuila.  Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. 2010.

Soft cover, parallel text in English and Spanish, 226 pages, more than 150 
color plates and illustrations

$35.00 plus tax and $10.00 shipping



To confirm availability and purchase copies of EL ARTE INDIGENA EN COAHUILA, 
contact our Web Customer Service desk:
Email:  Web Customer Service WEPCo 
Phone:  512-476-1555 during business hours (9 to 5, M-F)
Mail: Whole Earth Provision Co.
Attn: Rock Art book
1010 W. 11th St
Austin, TX 78703

[Texascavers] off-topic? ophidiophobia

2011-06-22 Thread Logan McNatt

Andy G. did mention one word you do not often see on this list:  ophidiophobia.  I had to look it up:  "abnormal fear of snakes".  Indiana 
Jones had ophidiophobia.  Not to be confused with aphidiophobia.


LowGun :-\

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Polypropylene rope and caving history

2011-06-06 Thread Logan McNatt


Alex, thanks for the info.  I'm surprised no one had mentioned it before.

Logan (LowGun)

On 6/6/2011 10:34 AM, Alex Sproul wrote:

I offer for your perusal these phosphorescent caving and rescue products from 
Pigeon Mountain Industries:

PMI Lumi-Line _http://tinyurl.com/4y2k658_

PMI NiteLine _http://tinyurl.com/3rylfml_

They used to also make 11mm and 13.5mm static nylon caving ropes of 100% phosphorescent yarn that was quite bright.  I still have a sample 
piece that gives me a start when I encounter it in the dark.  These products apparently priced themselves out of the market.


The 3mm NiteLine, though expensive, remains quite popular for tent guylines in 
close quarters like OTR...

Alex

[Texascavers] Texas Cavers in June issue of NSS News

2011-06-08 Thread Logan McNatt

The June 2011 issue of the NSS News has a stunning color front cover photograph by Peter Sprouse of a cave in the Galapagos Islands. Flip over
to the back cover for more awesome color photos by Peter, Vivian Loftin, and Jean Krejca. Inside is an article by Aaron Addison about the April
2010 expedition to the Galapagos, with team members Aaron, Peter, Vivian, Jean, Geoff Hoese, Bob Osburn, and Steve Taylor. Numerous B&W photos
by Geoff, Peter, & Jean, plus a centerfold section of color photos by the same folks. Aaron ended the article with "A good time was had by
all", and it's easy to see why.

You will notice that most of these cavers either live in Texas or used to live here (Aaron). But the issue doesn't stop there, because Karen
Veni has an intriguing article on "Cavers and Literature", with photos of her, Joe Ivy (RIP), and Bill Steele modeling his award-winning brake
bar necklace. Karen, as most of you know, is also a former Texas caver, married to some guy commonly known as "Karen Veni's husband".

But wait! Still more current/former Texas Cavers (Alan Cobb and Albert Ogden) have stories in "Cave Chronicles", edited by Philip Rykwalder.
And yes, Philip also lived in Texas for awhile.

It's not the first issue of the NSS News with extensive contributions by Texas cavers, and it certainly won't be the last. Oh, did I mention
that the NSS News is printed by Terry Raines?

An excellent issue, and one more reason to join the NSS. If you're not a
member, you don't know what you're missing!

Logan
NSS 11274

[Texascavers] Re: hoaxaphobia

2011-06-22 Thread Logan McNatt


On 6/22/2011 9:40 PM, Chris Vreeland wrote:

I think we've fallen victim to the dreaded Double Hoax, in which the hoax 
itself is also a hoax.

The Triple Hoax, thankfully, has never been seen in the wild - that anybody 
knows.


HoHophobia:  fear of Santa Claus

axaphobia:  fear of axes

HoHoHoaxaphobia:   fear of 3 Santa Clauses with axes

Gawd, it's late.  Someone please provide some caving news.


Anonymousaphobia:  fear of signing one's own name

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[Texascavers] Memorable Events in History on April 1st

2011-04-01 Thread Logan McNatt


The following is from the Museum of Hoaxes Top 100 April Fool's Day Hoaxes of 
All Time.  No fooling!
Logan

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/aprilfool/

*#76: Great Cave Sell*
On one undetermined April 1 in the 1840s a story appeared in the /Boston Post/ announcing that a cave full of treasure had been discovered 
beneath Boston Common. It had supposedly been uncovered by workmen as they removed a tree from the Common. As the tree fell, it revealed a stone 
trap-door with a large iron ring set in it. Beneath the door was a stone stairway that led to an underground cave. In this cave lay piles of 
jewels, old coins, and weapons with jeweled handles. As word of the discovery spread throughout Boston, parties of excited curiosity-seekers 
began marching out across the Common to view the treasure. A witness later described the scene: "It was rainy, that 1st of April, the 
Legislature was in session, and it was an animated scene that the Common presented, roofed with umbrellas, sheltering pilgrims on their way to 
the new-found sell. A procession of grave legislators marched solemnly down under their green gingham, while philosophers, archaeologists, 
numismatists, antiquarians of all qualities, and the public generally paid tribute to the Post's ingenuity." Of course, the Common was empty of 
all jewel-bearing caverns, as the crowd of treasure seekers eventually discovered to its disappointment.

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention-thanks!

2011-04-04 Thread Logan McNatt

I would like to add my thanks and congratulations to everyone who gave their
time and effort to make it a very enjoyable convention.
Several more people not listed below also deserve specific mention:

the speakers: I am always impressed with the variety and quality of the talks at TSA Conventions, and this one was no exception. They covered
exploration, digs, and scientific studies ranging from central Texas to Far West Texas to other states to the Galapagos and China, and even
included a poetry reading.

the photographers and cartographers: thanks for taking the time to enter the photo and map salons; whether you won an award or not, your
entries were certainly worth seeing

the folks who pack, load, unpack, sit for hours at the display tables, repack,
reload, at every TSA gathering
Lee Jay Graves (TSA Store, which makes a lot of money for TSA)
Ron Ralph, Jim Kennedy, et al. for the TSS
Bill Mixon for the AMCS
Becky Jones for Gonzo Guano Gear

James Jasek for herding almost all of us into one place and making us sit still
for a group photo;
Carl Kunath for taking another photo to send to Blair Pittman (I sent it
tonight)
looking forward to seeing one or even both of these photos in the Texas Caver

the many unnamed folks who donated some very interesting items for the auction; it never ceases to amaze me how much money is raised from such a
relatively small group of dedicated cavers who either have a lot of disposable income and/or consumed a lot of the free libations

Thanks!
Logan

On 4/4/2011 9:19 AM, ellie :) wrote:

We had a great turn out for the 2011 TSA Spring Convention in Brackettville
with over 100 in attendance.
Thank you to all who attended and to all who helped to make the convention a
success!
I would like to give special thanks to the following:

* Mallory Mayeux for enthusiastically recruiting speakers and for
entertaining us during the TCMA fundraising auction.
* Roger Moore for being dedicated to having a great line-up of speakers for
the convention and for hauling 4 kegs of beer to and from the
convention from Spoetzl Brewery.
* Stefan Creaser for masterminding Saturday dinner and all the work
involved with that.
* Leslie Bell for slaving away in the kitchen all day for the Saturday
dinner, and for the prep work done weekends before.
* Vico for masterminding with Stefan to create a delicious BBQ dinner. Yum.
* Chris Francke for slaving away in the kitchen all day for the Saturday
dinner, and for transporting, setting-up, and running the AV
system during talks and the evening show.
* Michael Cicherski for doing registration and for taking care of all the
money.
* Mark Alman for finally getting out of my hair so I could be president for
a day...and for all the help leading up to convention.
* Marvin Miller for chairing the Map Salon and for soliciting lots of
entries.
* Don Arburn for chairing the Photo Salon and making sure the photos.
* Fritz Holt for stepping up at the last minute to organize and lead the
convoys of cavers through Kickapoo Caverns.
* Rod Goke for willingly providing AV for the Convention.
* Jim Kennedy for the TCMA auction.
* Andrea Croskrey for displaying Texas spirit while assisting the TCMA
fundraising auction.
* Saj Zappitello for organizing the TCMA auction and soliciting for items,
and for lending me that red dress.
* Joe Ranzau for being at my beckncall.
* Vendors for making sure we all know whats going on.
* David Ochel and Becky Jones for putting on the Gear Adjustment Workshop.
* Bill Steele for hooking cavers up with Shiner beer!!!
* Diana Tomchick for Margarita Happy Hour.
* Pete Strickland for making sure no caver camp goes without a campfire.
* Bexar Grotto for lending an ear and a hand during and before the
convention.
* EVERYONE else who helped out...Im sure I have left someone out.

[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention-thanks!

2011-04-05 Thread Logan McNatt

the photographers and cartographers: thanks for taking the time to enter the photo and map salons; whether you won an award or not, your
entries were certainly worth seeing

Thanks!
Logan

On 4/4/2011 9:19 AM, ellie :) wrote:

Re: [Texascavers] Ft Davis fires off topic

2011-04-10 Thread Logan McNatt

Off topic, true. The reason I sent it to the list is because Tim and Mark's Region 1 includes the Devil's Sinkhole, Devils River, Kickapoo
Caverns, and Seminole Canyon (as well as Davis Mtns, Big Bend Ranch, Balmorhea, Franklin Mtns, and Hueco Tanks. They are the point men for the
cultural and natural resources in all those parks, so quite a few cavers have met them. Oh, almost forgot Monahans Sandhills, in case anyone is
contemplating a karst survey there.;-)

On 4/10/2011 4:18 PM, Don Arburn wrote:

This is off topic, and I'm fine with it.

Don's iPhone.

On Apr 10, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Logan McNatt mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Just talked to Tim Roberts, the TPWD regional archeologist who lives in the Ft. Davis Estates just outside of town. They had to evacuate
yesterday but were able to return to their house today. He said the firefighters did a good job, because a plastic shed 15 feet from their
house had melted spots on it, but they hadn't found any other damage . They had stayed with Mark Lockwood, the TPWD regional Natural
Resources coordinator who lives near Alpine. Mark was at Devils River Ranch doing the black-capped vireo survey when he got the call to come
home. When I talked to him an hour ago he was leaving for Ft. Davis State Park because apparently the fire there has picked up again as the
winds pick up. Several TPWD folks in the area did lose their houses. It's an ongoing situation.

Here's a Facebook page for the fires:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232#!/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232?sk=photos
<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232#%21/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232?sk=photos>

[Texascavers] Ft Davis fires

2011-04-10 Thread Logan McNatt

Just talked to Tim Roberts, the TPWD regional archeologist who lives in the Ft. Davis Estates just outside of town.  They had to evacuate 
yesterday but were able to return to their house today.  He said the firefighters did a good job, because a plastic shed 15 feet from their 
house had melted spots on it, but they hadn't found any other damage . They had stayed with Mark Lockwood, the TPWD regional Natural Resources 
coordinator who lives near Alpine.  Mark was at Devils River Ranch doing the black-capped vireo survey when he got the call to come home.   When 
I talked to him an hour ago he was leaving for Ft. Davis State Park because apparently the fire there has picked up again as the winds pick up.  
Several TPWD folks in the area did lose their houses.  It's an ongoing situation.


Here's a Facebook page for the fires:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232#!/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232?sk=photos

[Texascavers] Re: Mother's Day caving

2013-05-12 Thread Logan McNatt

Mimi,

You mentioned James' "terrible caving accident" 23 years ago, but I didn't remember hearing about it. (I was living in Belize in 1990.) So I
immediately pulled out the 1990 issues of The Texas Caver and found James' "Accident Report: Jim's Sunday Surprise" in the June issue (Vol. 35,
No. 3, pp 67-69).

James: A very close call for sure--your split-second reaction and some major
good luck saved you.

Mimi: HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! Glad you still have your cave man around to
celebrate!

Logan

On 5/11/2013 11:43 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:

Ok, I'm going to give my two cents on caving on Mother's Day:)

If you are married with kids, stay home or be with your family! Give mom a break. Any who truly know me know that my cave man has always been
able to go when and where he wanted - even on holidays. Some of his younger friends used to say that he was the only married father they knew
who didn't just have a really long leash - their words exactly! - he had none whatsoever!!

Yet on Mother's Day 23 years ago, that freedom nearly cost him his life in a terrible caving accident that took him a year plus to fully
recover from, although he now suffers in other ways from his injuries. So that day has, to this day, had a different meaning altogether.

Happy to still have my cave man,

Mimi Jasek

On May 11, 2013, at 7:25 PM, David mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I know the next scheduled dig is a week away, but was wondering if anyone is digging in Kiwi Sink on Mother's Day ? If so, there is a chance I
could.

[Texascavers] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-04-30 Thread Logan McNatt

For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
Place on Earth.


*This Friday May 3*
_Austin_:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills

_Santa Fe_: The Screen

_Scottsdale:_  Shea 14 Theater

*Next**Friday May 10*
_Dallas:_  Angelika Film Center and Cafe

For you folks in other states, try this link 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available on 
numerous links, just Google it.
Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.

Logan

Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Logan McNatt


"It's almost as if they're trying to keep people from seeing it."
No, No, Louise, in fact it's just the opposite.  If I understand correctly, it's an "Indie" type of documentary film with limited funding for 
marketing, and competing against the big blockbusters to get theater time.  That's why I was trying to get the word out to cavers and other 
friends.  The bigger the audience the better. Theaters don't like reserving space for just a handfull of people.

Logan

On 5/4/2013 9:06 PM, Louise Power wrote:
Anyone interested may want to take a peek at the imdb site. It has sort of an interesting review that deals more with errors in the political 
side of the movie than the content.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2343266/?ref_=sr_1

Apparently this movie is pretty hard to find anywhere. It's almost as if they're trying to keep people from seeing it. The notes that I've 
read online indicate that people are almost having to beg local theatres to run it.


Louise


From: gv...@nckri.org
To: lstarr...@gmail.com; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; s...@caver.net
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 00:45:48 +
Subject: Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Several of us in Carlsbad are trying to get the movie shown here. If you'd like to help, put in a good word at: 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/


Thanks,

George



George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

*From:*swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf Of 
*Linda Starr
*Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:48 PM
*To:* Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; 
Southwestern Region
*Subject:* Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Hey grotto and SWR cavers,

 We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well 
worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers 
at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and Design) besides us.


 At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's 
Grotto." We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, 
their trials, their stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. 
The movie makes you think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to."  My answer is "NO!"  Families and people today would not be able to 
survive 1-1/2 years in a cave.

 Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by it.

Linda Starr

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Grotto cavers,

 Check out this video site and try the link. *I got in and requested a showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater./_It would be 
great if my request received support from you_/ *so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it.  This story 
looks really interesting. Check out the trailer.


Linda Starr

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Logan McNatt* mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

To: Texas Cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, 
s...@caver.net <mailto:s...@caver.net>

For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
Place on Earth.


*This Friday May 3*
_Austin_:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills

_Santa Fe_: The Screen

_Scottsdale:_  Shea 14 Theater

*Next Friday May 10*
_Dallas:_  Angelika Film Center and Cafe

For you folks in other states, try this link 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available on 
numerous links, just Google it.
Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.

Logan



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Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Logan McNatt

I strongly agree.  I had suggested to Gill, Linda, and Louise that they send their positive reviews to Janet Tobias (Director and Executive 
Producer), and Chris Nicola.  Philip Rykwalder (livetoc...@hotmail.com) would probably appreciate them, too.


A month or so ago I had sent a minor correction on their website to Janet (a typo: Michel Siffre exited Midnight Cave in 1972, not 1962), and 
also asked about the limited distribution.  She made the correction immediately and replied:


"This is actually only the first wave of releases. IF we do well (cross my fingers) in the first weeks they are going to release it in up to 70 
more markets so it will go much broader in texas and elsewhere. So help us get as many people as possible to the theater in Austin!"   Cavers 
will appreciate the realistic cave scenes, but it's the people who are the real story.


Logan

On 5/4/2013 11:10 PM, George Veni wrote:

Bill,

If you and any others think it may be worth the drive, then it is worth you sending the movie folks a message of support via their website. 
Knowing that people living 2.5 hours away would be willing to come to Carlsbad to see the movie will carry a lot of weight.


Thanks,

George


Sent from mobile phone

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

Bill Bentley  wrote:
Might be worth driving over for that!
Bill

- Original Message -
*From:* George Veni <mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
*To:* Linda Starr <mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com> ; lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> ; Southwestern Region
<mailto:s...@caver.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Several of us in Carlsbad are trying to get the movie shown here. If you'd 
like to help, put in a good word at:
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

Thanks,

George



George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org <mailto:gv...@nckri.org>

www.nckri.org <http://www.nckri.org>

*From:*swr-boun...@caver.net <mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net> 
[mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf Of *Linda Starr
*Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:48 PM
*To:* Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; 
Southwestern Region
*Subject:* Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Hey grotto and SWR cavers,

 We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It 
was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was
well worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I 
hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0
other cavers at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of 
University of Art and Design) besides us.

 At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author 
(the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of
Priest's Grotto." We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy 
the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the
families, their trials, their stories of survival and determination to 
escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded
the Ukraine. The movie makes you think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to." 
 My answer is "NO!"  Families and people today would
not be able to survive 1-1/2 years in a cave.
 Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by 
it.

Linda Starr

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Grotto cavers,

 Check out this video site and try the link. *I got in and requested a 
showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater./_It
would be great if my request received support from you_/ *so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it. 
This story looks really interesting. Check out the trailer.


Linda Starr

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Logan McNatt* mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

To: Texas Cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, s...@caver.net <mailto:s...@caver.net>

For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a 
reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary

[Texascavers] Rock Art Foundation tour to Devils River, June 1st

2013-05-01 Thread Logan McNatt

This tour is a rare opportunity to see two impressive pictograph sites--Cedar Springs and Mystic Shelter-- on the Devils River that are on 
private land and closed to the general public.  You will also have the opportunity to immerse yourself in the cool, clear waters of the river as 
you wade across it twice.  I highly recommend this tour for anyone interested in rock art and/or has never seen the Devils River.  Special 
access to spectacular countryside, pictographs, and river for only $35!  You will need 4WD and have to be in good enough shape for a fairly 
long, hot hike, so be sure to check out the details at the Rock Art Foundation website.


http://www.rockart.org/news/index.cfm?newsid=150

Note:  I am not a member of the RAF (but plan to join), and am providing this 
information because I think a lot of cavers will be interested.

Logan


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[SWR] Fwd: Dr. Donald L. Johnson

2013-05-14 Thread Logan McNatt


FYI, for the geomorphologists/geologists/archaeologists who might have known 
him or his papers.

Logan


 Original Message 
Subject:Dr. Donald L. Johnson
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date:   Tue, 14 May 2013 08:36:16 -0500
From:   Paul V. Heinrich 
Reply-To:   Paul V. Heinrich 
To: txarc...@listserv.tamu.edu



Dr. Donald L. Johnson, who was a wonderful geomorphologist,
geologist, soils scientist, and geoarchaeologist, passed away on
Friday May 10 according to Dr.  Bruce L. Rhoads, Department of
Geography, University of Illinois. He and  Jennifer Horwath Burnham
were recently awarded the G.K. Gilbert Award for Excellence in
Geomorphic Research from the Association of American
Geographers for their GSA Special Paper on Mima Mounds.
He published extensively on pimple mounds and about the role of
biota in soil and landform evolution. This research resulted in his
dynamic denudation-biomantle theory. He also published
numerous papers on geomorphology, soil science, Quaternary
geology, and geoarchaeology.

I first met him as an MS student at University of Illinois. Ever
since then, he was a wonderful colleague and friend, and is
greatly missed.

Dr. Donald L. Johnson's web page is at
http://www.geog.illinois.edu/people/dljohns
CV: https://apps.atlas.illinois.edu/CvStorage/documents/users/dljohns

PDF files of some his many papers can be found at
https://www.box.com/dljohnsonshared

Also, there is:

Mima Mounds as Upper Soil Biomantles - South Puget Sound Prairies
http://w.southsoundprairies.org/documents/WCSSMimaPoster9-6-061.6kpdf.pdf

Mima Mounds: The Case for Polygenesis and Bioturbation
Geological Society of America Special Paper no. 490.
http://www.geosociety.org/bookstore/default.asp?oID=0&catID=9&pID=SPE490
http://rock.geosociety.org/Bookstore/toc/spe490.htm

Yours,

Paul V. Heinrich
Baton ropuge, LA 70803



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[Texascavers] Bats video introduces lineup for Austin City Limits music fest

2013-05-15 Thread Logan McNatt

This creative video is clever and fun to watch, in my opinion, although some folks may not like it.  If the link doesn't work, just Google ACL 
Fest 2013.

Logan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0popthrpa8w

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Re: [Texascavers] Thumbs up on Honey Creek Cave video

2013-06-04 Thread Logan McNatt

They showed the video in April at the TSA Convention in Cave Without A Name.  Appropriate place for the premiere, about 85 ft underground.  The 
100+ cavers were so quiet during most of the movie, especially the dive sequences, that I could hear the water drops landing in the big room.  
It got a well-deserved standing ovation.  Jean, James, and everyone involved in the project earned their place in Texas caving history for this 
accomplishment!


Logan

On 6/4/2013 7:44 AM, speleoste...@aol.com wrote:
Last night the link to a new in-depth video about the big Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest cave, Tank Haul Extravaganza that happened in 
January of this year was posted on James Brown's Facebook page. It's 40 minutes long and very well done. I know that I'm impressed. Edited by 
Joe Furman.

http://youtu.be/kG-sSnoXzYU
A+ if you ask me.
Cavingly,
Bill Steele

Re: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving

2013-06-18 Thread Logan McNatt


If it's 25 years or older, it doesn't have to pass emissions testing.
Logan
(owner of 1988 Toyota)

On 6/18/2013 10:27 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:


I depends on how they require it, Jim. This is a 25 year old vehicle. a 1988.   What are your local emission testing requirements for 
something that age?


DirtDoc



*From: *"Jim Kennedy" 
*To: *"Don Arburn" , dirt...@comcast.net
*Cc: *"Cave Texas" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:44:25 PM
*Subject: *RE: [Texascavers] Moby Dick: Supper truck for tough caving

Austin has emissions testing also, so I'm out as a buyer.

-- Jim

[Texascavers] cave article in today's Austin American-Statesman

2013-06-21 Thread Logan McNatt

Today's Austin American-Statesman has an article on page B1 titled "Caves' face-lift to allow rainwater into aquifer", about Blowing Sink 
Preserve in south Austin.  There is a photo of Nico Hauwert , "a senior environmental scientist for the city's Watershed Protection 
Department".  The City Council awarded the contract to Zara Environmental (Jean Krejca and Peter Sprouse, et al.) to "spend about two months 
building what are essentially concrete chimneys anchored as deep as 50 feet into the caves."


Unfortunately the full online article is available only to subscribers, but 
that might change in a day or two.


http://www.statesman.com/s/news/local/


 City Council approves $246,000 for cave repairs in South Austin

By Farzad Mashhood 

American-Statesman Staff

Five caves tucked in a South Austin preserve will get a $246,000 face-lift to allow more rainwater to pass through them and into the aquifer 
that feeds Barton Springs.


The Austin City Council approved the spending on Thursday.

Re: [Texascavers] Big cave discovered under 620 in Wilco

2013-07-05 Thread Logan McNatt


When was the last time you checked for cracks in your bedroom floor?


On 7/5/2013 10:14 PM, George D. Nincehelser wrote:

That's about 3/4 miles from my place.  Also close to Beck Ranch Cave.


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw mailto:jus...@oztotl.net>> wrote:

A construction crew working on 620 has discovered what sounds like a fairly 
nice cave.


http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/round-rock-pflugerville-hutto/cave-system-discovered-underneath-rm-620-construction-projec/

It's disappointing, but not at all surprising, that I first learned of this 
from Google.

[Texascavers] TSS work session this Wed July 10th

2013-07-08 Thread Logan McNatt



Cavers,


*I'm sending this message on behalf of TSS President Ron Ralph because he is sick and won't make the work session. I'll be there, and would be 
glad to see some of you there, too.

Logan McNatt, Secretary*

*lmcn...@austin.rr.com*

*hm 462-9581
*

Our next scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas Speleological Survey will be this Wednesday, July 10^th , at the JJ Pickle 
Research Center. Dr. We will be looking through the files for various cave locations in Texas and filing USGS maps.Come by and help search the 
files for cave data. If you have a desire to search for your own data, the files and unpublished maps will be made available.


Use the front entrance on Burnet Road north of highway 183. Both publication sales and the library will be open. The door will be open at 5:00 
p.m. and stay open till we adjourn. Remember it is best to arrive before 6:00 pm and drinks are on me. Parking permits are only necessary during 
the day and evenings are free, so don't worry about parking tickets.


If you have questions, please contact me at ronra...@austin.rr.com <mailto:ronra...@austin.rr.com>or call my cell. I will be happy to send you a 
link to the map of the Campus if you need directions.


Ron Ralph

Cell: 797-3817

[SWR] Texas Speleological Survey Update, July 2013

2013-07-09 Thread Logan McNatt


TEXAS SPELEOLOGICAL SURVEY UPDATE, JULY 2013

The TSS database currently has 12,948 records for caves and karst-related features in Texas, including 5,772 caves; 3,325 karst sinkholes and 
cavities; 2,932 springs; 708 shelters, and 211 "other" features such as selected mines and wells. The files include 2,529 maps for 2,197 caves; 
and 2,355 photos for 1,050 caves. The database is reciprocal: (1) it serves as a secure, centralized repository where cavers and other 
researchers can permanently archive their data; and (2) it provides data to cavers et al. through a carefully monitored request process designed 
to protect the resources. The TSS encourages everyone conducting surveys, research etc. in Texas caves to submit their data, so the database 
will continue to be as current and useful as possible.


Future TSS publications in various stages of completion are:

/The Caves of Government Canyon State Natural Area/, by Marvin Miller

/The Caves of Hays County/, by Peter Sprouse

/The Caves of the Urban Corridor/, edited by Kevin Stafford

/The Biology of Texas Caves/, by James Reddell and Jean Krejca

The TSS was founded in 1961 and is a non-profit corporation with the mission__to collect, organize, maintain, and publish information on Texas 
caves and karst for scientific, educational, and conservation purposes. Visitors are welcome to attend workshops held on the second Wednesday of 
each month, and the quarterly Board of Directors meetings at the TSS office on the Pickle Research Campus, University of Texas at Austin. The 
next meeting is Saturday, August 17, 2013.For more information on TSS---including how to submit and request data; contact info for the 15 
Directors; publications for sale, and more--please visit our website at http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/



Logan McNatt
TSS Secretary

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[Texascavers] TSS Database sample link

2013-07-09 Thread Logan McNatt

As a follow-up to the TSS update, TSS Database Manager David McKenzie sends this link to give a sample of what the TSS Database is capable of.  
He is constantly upgrading and updating it with new info provided by others, and with your input, it will never be "finished", which is good.



http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/Walls/WallsMap-TX.htm

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Re: [Texascavers] cave rescue in Arkansas

2013-07-09 Thread Logan McNatt


"a fused wad of metal, nylon, and mud that had at one point been the victim's 
original ascending system."

Hope they took some photos, and preserved it for a museum piece.


On 7/9/2013 11:01 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:


*National Park Morning Report*

*June 27.*

**

**

*Buffalo National Scenic River (AR)
Rangers Conduct Technical Rescue Of Trapped Caver*

Late on the night of June 22nd, the Searcy County Sheriff's Office called the park and asked for assistance with the rescue of a man trapped 
at the bottom of a 30-foot pit a quarter-mile inside of Kristin's Cave, not far from the park boundary near Cozahome.


Rangers/technical rescue technicians Dale Johannsen, Mark Miller, Melissa Moses and Kevin Moses joined a Marshall Police Department officer 
and a Searcy County deputy and worked their way to the man's location to assess the situation, an effort that required negotiating several 
vertical obstacles along the way and conducting a severity probability exposure (SPE) risk analysis to help mitigate hazards.


After locating and making voice contact with the man, who was an experienced caver and a member of a caving club out of Little Rock, they 
determined that he was thirsty, hungry and cold but otherwise okay and capable of ascending under his own power.  The cause of his becoming 
stranded was that his equipment, including his rope, had been rendered useless by a heavy accumulation of thick, sticky, stubborn cave mud.


Miller rappelled into the pit and provided the caver with water, food, a thermal layer and clean ascending equipment.  Belayed from above, the 
caver was then able to ascend most of the pit on a new rope under his own power, though rescuers used a raising system to assist him with the 
last ten feet or so. Miller then followed, bringing with him a fused wad of metal, nylon, and mud that had at one point been the victim's 
original ascending system.


The rescue party emerged from the cave four-and-a-half hours after they entered; because this particular mission occurred during nighttime 
hours, the rescuers were forced to conduct the entire operation by headlamp. By the time they emerged, the victim had been underground for 17 
hours.  Kevin Moses served as incident commander.

[Submitted by Jason Flood, Lower Buffalo District Ranger]

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Remembering Palmito

2013-06-18 Thread Logan McNatt

Very true retrospective, Carl.  Thanks.

On 6/18/2013 12:05 PM, Carl Kunath wrote:

Mimi:
Palmito has made a lasting impression on many of us. Your story reminds me that it is now just a few days past 50 years ago that I went to 
Bustamante and Gruta del Palmito for the first time with Bill Gray and others of the original Alamo Grotto.  I  remember it well.  I was stunned!
In a way, Palmito (now Grutas de Bustamante) is a time capsule of Texas caver's experience in Mexico.  In half a century, the situation has 
changed drastically.  In the early days, cavers rode the train to Bustamante because the dirt road was too difficult for the few passenger 
cars in the caver community.  Bustamante was a very sleepy little village with no traffic lights and very few amenities. There were no 
formalities required to visit the cave.  Many visitors who planned more than a day visit recruited local burro-wranglers to get their heavy 
and bulky equipment up the steep trail to the cave.
In short, those early visits were something of an exotic experience.  For many, it was their first exposure to Mexico other than border towns 
and almost always their first experience in a cave of such mind-blowing proportions.  You had free-run of the cave.
In time, visits became more routine and the cave became a traditional "break in the newbies" trip for several grottos.  Later, Texas cavers 
spearheaded efforts to clean the cave of decades of trash and graffiti.  Cavers were continuously promoting the recreational and economic 
aspects of the cave to the Mexican people  but things moved very slowly.  Through the years, the efforts of the /Amigos de la Gruta /program 
made a huge difference in the appearance of the cave.  Slowly but surely, support came from the people of Bustamante, the State of Nuevo Leon, 
and the Federal government of Mexico.
Now, half a century after some of those early trips, it is a classic case of "shooting yourself in the foot."  We promoted and popularized the 
cave so well we finally lost access to it.  Grutas de Bustamante is not a wild cave anymore.  You reach Bustamante on a nice paved road and 
perhaps have a cold drink at the Plaza.  Then you buy a ticket and drive to the base of the mountain on another paved road.  From there, you 
are transported up the mountain on a winding road to the new tunnel entrance.  Now, you follow the guide for a tour of the entrance room.  
Leave your hard hat at home.

We helped restore, preserve, and protect the cave that we loved but in the 
process we lost the opportunity for an amazing caving experience.
The caving literature is full of stories and photos about this great cave but you can most conveniently learn more about Grutas de Bustamante 
on pages 435-440 in /50 Years of Texas Caving/.

===Carl Kunath
*From:* Mimi Jasek 
*Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 11:14 PM
*To:* Louise Power 
*Cc:* texas cavers 
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Remembering
I'm one of those girls who has all kinds of special dates on my calendar, but that day probably tops them all. That trip changed my life, it's 
direction, and gave me my best friend for life. Took me into a world I did not know existed, asked of and gave more to me than anything I 
could have imagined, brought me in touch with a lot of amazing people, and the trip has yet to end!

How can one not celebrate that?
Mimi

> From: mjca...@gmail.com 
> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:32:46 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Remembering
>
> 40 years ago right about now sitting in the border crossing building on my first trip to Mexico, first cave trip, first camping trip. 
Destination - Gruta del Palmito. Met my own future cave man on that trip, and have never stopped wanting to go underground. Don't think 
anyone ever wrote up that trip, either.

>
> Time flies when you're having fun:)
>
> Mimi Jasek
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[Texascavers] Mallory

2013-07-14 Thread Logan McNatt

Roger, thanks for alerting us to Mallory's accident and relaying the family's messages.  Not knowing what's going to happen is excruciating for 
her family and all of her friends.  Like everyone else, I am wishing with all my heart for her to recover fully.  Her physical and mental 
strength will help her a lot in this fight.


Logan

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[Texascavers] Re: (Texas Cavers) concatenation

2013-06-21 Thread Logan McNatt


On 6/21/2013 10:30 AM, Mixon Bill wrote:  "It's not just a concatenation of files 
provided by the authors."

Thanks to Bill Mixon for our Texas Cavers "Word for the Day"
For fun, try using it in a sentence discussing caves!
e.g.  Mammoth Cave is merely a concatenation of passages from multiple 
entrances.

CONCATENATION
*1.* a series of interconnected events, concepts, etc.
*2.* the act of linking together or the state of being joined

Middle English, from Late Latin /concatenatus,/ past participle of 
/concatenare/ to link together, from Latin /com-/ + /catena/ chain
First Known Use: 15th century


There is even a website using the word!

www.concatenation.org
/*The Science Fact & Science Fiction Concatenation*/ is the
seasonal review of science fact and science fiction. Formerly the (1987-1997)
annual (paper) magazine distributed at the British national SF convention and 
European SF
convention, today its three principal internet editions come out in the 
northern hemisphere's
Spring, Summer & Autumn.

Re: [Texascavers] Visit with Mallory and her family

2013-07-18 Thread Logan McNatt

That is very good news, Roger. At the UTG meeting last night, a lot of concern
and caring was devoted to her.

On 7/18/2013 8:51 PM, caverarch wrote:
Grayson Knapp. Lyndon Tui, and I from the Greater Houston Grotto visited Mallory at 5:30 this afternoon. Things are looking up for Mallory.
The medical team is beginning the process of raising her body temperature as a prelude to waking her from her induced coma. That will take two
days, and be followed by the critical wake-up removal of the coma-inducing drugs. Everything is stable for now, and she looks good - even in
person. I know she wouldn't think so, but she looked just fine to me as I watched her breath smoothly and the monitors indicate steady
heartbeat and blood pressure and all. I left her room after telling Mallory that there was no way she was going to get out of being
responsible for lining up the speakers agenda for the next Texas Speleological Association Spring Convention, a job she has done for the last
three years.

It was also a great pleasure to see her brother Caleb Mayeux and meet Mal's mom Vickie, Mallory's
aunt, and an old friend from her college days. We shared Mallory stories, and I was able to tell Vickie of my own recovery in 2005 after 9
days in an induced coma. I assured her that Mal is much tougher than I, and that there is nothing to worry about, Things will be difficult in
the short term as Mallory will have to work hard to recovery her strength and I know she will be itching to drop pits again ASAP.

Roger G. Moore

[Texascavers] Forwaded from the SWR list: G.d. reclassified as Pseudogymnoascus destructans

2013-07-19 Thread Logan McNatt

As if the world of WNS-related science weren't confusing enough,
scientists from the USDA Forest Service Center for Forest Mycology
Research have performed DNA sequencing on the fungus formerly known as
Geomyces destructans, and have taxonomically reclassified it as
Pseudogymnoascus destructans. The paper also discusses the taxonomic
relationship with several other fungi found or discovered from bat
hibernacula soil sampling.

The paper is published in the journal Fungal Biology, but those of us
without a subscription can read the abstract online at:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878614613001025

"White-nose syndrome of bats, caused by the fungus previously known as
Geomyces destructans, has decimated populations of insectivorous bats
in eastern North America. Recent work on fungi associated with bat
hibernacula uncovered a large number of species of Geomyces and
allies, far exceeding the number of described species. Communication
about these species has been hindered by the lack of a modern
taxonomic evaluation, and a phylogenetic framework of the group is
needed to understand the origin ofGeomyces destructans and to target
closely related species and their genomes for the purposes of
understanding mechanisms of pathogenicity. We addressed these issues
by generating DNA sequence data for the ITS region, LSU, MCM7, RPB2,
and TEF1 from a diverse array of Geomyces and allies that included
isolates recovered from bat hibernacula as well as those that
represent important type species. Phylogenetic analyses indicate
Geomyces and allies should be classified in the family
Pseudeurotiaceae, and the generaGeomyces, Gymnostellatospora, and
Pseudogymnoascus should be recognized as distinct. TrueGeomyces are
restricted to a basal lineage based on phylogenetic placement of the
type species, G. auratus. Thus, Geomyces destructans is placed in
genus Pseudogymnoascus. The closest relatives of P. destructans are
members of the Pseudogymnoascus roseus species complex, however, the
isolated and long branch of P. destructans indicates that none of the
species included in this study are closely related, thus providing
further support to the hypothesis that this pathogen is non-native and
invasive in eastern North America. Several conidia-producing isolates
from bat hibernacula previously identified as members ofPseudeurotium
are determined to belong to the genus Leuconeurospora, which is
widespread, especially in colder regions. Teberdinia hygrophila is
transferred to Pseudeurotium as Pseudeurotium hygrophilum, comb. nov.,
in accordance with the one name per fungus system of classification,
and two additional combinations are made in Pseudogymnoascus including
P. carnis and P. pannorum. Additional sampling from other regions of
the world is needed to better understand the evolution and
biogeography of this important and diverse group of fungi."

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Re: [SWR] FSCSP award from IUS

2013-07-28 Thread Logan McNatt


Congratulations to everyone involved; a well-deserved award!


On 7/28/2013 10:40 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote:


As many of you know, the 16th International Congress of Speleology (the international version of the National Speleological Society -- NSS) 
 just concluded today in Brno, Czech Republic.   FSCSP Board Member John Moses is also the International Secretary of the NSS and attended the 
Congress. After the closing banquet of the Congress, he sent us this message:


At the 16th International Congress of Speleology in Brno, Czech Republic, the International Union of Speleology named the Fort Stanton Cave 
Study Project Team as the winner of the 2013 prize in exploration.  A plaque will be sent to the team and the award includes a cash prize of 
100 Euros. "Excellent exploration is conducted with excellent science and follows top standards for cave protection.  The Fort Stanton Cave 
Study Project stands as a shining example for all members of UIS to follow."


FSCSP board member and US national delegate, John Moses, accepted the award on behalf of the team.  Other Fort Stanton project participants 
present were asked to stand and be recognized.


Citing the most significant cave exploration projects which have taken place between the 15th ICS in 2009 and this year, the honorable 
mentions included the Hang Son Doong Cave project in Vietnam (world's largest cave passage) and the K'oox Baal, Mexico underwater cave (4th 
longest underwater cave in the world).


This is indeed, an honor, and a tribute to all the hard work that all the participants have put into the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project in 
the last few years, and since work started at the cave 50 years ago.  Everyone who has contributed in any way should be proud of this 
achievement and merits a "Thank you!" from myself and from all the directors of the FSCSP!



Steve Peerman
Project Director, Fort Stanton Cave Study Project
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Re: [Texascavers] Mallory update as of yesterday (7/26)

2013-07-27 Thread Logan McNatt

Emily, thanks for relaying those messages, and please let Krista, Caleb, and the rest of Mal's family and friends know how much we appreciate
their messages. One day at a time.

Sigh,
Logan

On 7/27/2013 7:45 PM, Emily McGowan wrote:

This is from Mal's friend Krista, posted on Facebook:

Mal's inter cranial pressure has been deemed stable enough that they have
removed the tube to drain her brain and the sensor that goes with it. They
took her off ketamine, but she remains on proporol. She is being treated
with antibiotics for a high white blood cell count (infection) and a
slightly elevated temperature. The tentative plan is on Monday to have a
tracheostomy and direct the feeding tube right into her stomach, both simple
procedures that will be more comfortable for her than the current mouth/nose
situation, and allow her to be on less sedation. Her reactions when off
sedation are good but not great: she seems to move her hand *toward* the
irritations: a purposeful action, even if she is not aware of it.

And this from Mal's brother, Caleb, via Facebook:

Friday update: Moderately good day for mal. They removed the tube that was
in her brain, as her brain pressure should no longer be an issue. They're
now trying to get us to wake her up, but are still keeping her slightly
sedated because she really doesn't like the tubes in her throat. Soon they
want to replace the tubes in her mouth with tubes directly in her throat and
stomach.

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Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie

2013-05-04 Thread Logan McNatt


Linda,
Thanks for your review.  Only other one I've seen from a caver was from Gill Ediger on Facebook:  "I went to the picture show. It was, 
what, No Place on Earth. Despite the appearance of Rykwalder's name in the credits it turned out to be a pretty damned good cave movie. Bravo!"  
Gill is of course kidding about Phillip Rykwalder, who was listed in the credits as "Cave Logistics" or something similar.


I went to the 5:20 showing in Austin and was disappointed there were only about 20 people.  I did see at least one group of cavers going in 
for the next show.


Re your comment "Families and people today would not be able to survive 1-1/2 years in a cave."  Although most "typical" urban families 
today probably wouldn't survive that situation, there are a lot of outdoor types (e.g., cavers, river rats, climbers, etc) plus "country" folks 
(e.g., traditional farmers & ranchers) who are used to being self-sufficient and improvising.  I think you and I know quite a few folks, 
including many on these lists, who would have a lot better chance of surviving than most.


If the movie doesn't get enough viewers for a more expanded release, I hope 
that at least it will be available on DVD.  It's worth seeing.

Logan McNatt


On 5/4/2013 2:47 PM, Linda Starr wrote:

Hey grotto and SWR cavers,
 We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well 
worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers 
at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and Design) besides us.
 At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's 
Grotto." We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, 
their trials, their stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. 
The movie makes you think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to."  My answer is "NO!"

 Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by it.
Linda Starr


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Grotto cavers,
 Check out this video site and try the link. *I got in and requested a 
showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater./_It
would be great if my request received support from you_/ *so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it. 
This story looks really interesting. Check out the trailer.

Linda Starr


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From: *Logan McNatt* mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas
To: Texas Cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, s...@caver.net <mailto:s...@caver.net>


For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a 
reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie
No Place on Earth.

*This Friday May 3*
_Austin_:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills

_Santa Fe_: The Screen

_Scottsdale:_  Shea 14 Theater

*Next**Friday May 10*
_Dallas:_  Angelika Film Center and Cafe

For you folks in other states, try this link 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available 
on numerous links, just Google it.
Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.

Logan





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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

2013-02-24 Thread Logan McNatt

Gill,
Thanks for the report. Can you estimate an average weight for each barrel of fill hauled out? Just wondering if y'all have an idea of the
approximate tonnage (fill and rocks) that you have removed since the dig began?

Logan

On 2/24/2013 9:01 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:

KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday 24 February 2013--Andrew and I arrived at
a quarter o'ten and got a status report on Kiwi's garden plot. Then we
attacked the pit. Our immediate objective was to reduce everything
above floor level to about that level before we try to break into the
new underfloor passage opened up by Erin a couple of weeks ago. That
is to be done so that the many yards of loose fill don't fall into the
new lead whilst we're removing them. Currently we have the lead
protected with plywood to minimizing infilling from the higher areas
adjacent to the floor lead. Today we filled up 6-1/2 barrels and
hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks, some in
tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the jin-poles on
the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be raised. Many suitcase
sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for removal. Most
made the transition to the surface; a few are still awaiting another
session or two of backfill removal that will be needed before we can
open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A rather large
contingent of cavers showed up today, many without caving gear. The
list of diggers:

Dale Barnard
Don Broussard
Erin Brown
Andrew Davison
Gill Ediger
Chris Franke
Ryan Monjaras
John Schneider
Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.

...and visitors:
Leslie Bell
Jay Jorden
RD Milhollan
Andy Gluesenkamp

Today was very productive.
--Gill Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

2013-02-25 Thread Logan McNatt


Thanks Mimi,
Terry wrote me that "we are well over 100 dump truck loads at 7-8 tons 
each".  Wow!

Not intending to get too personal here, Mimi, but why do you know that "a normal 
barrel of grease weighs 400#"?  You can reply off-list if needed.
;-)
Lowgun


On 2/25/2013 1:07 AM, Mimi Jasek wrote:

Logan,
A normal barrel of grease weighs 400#, and the often times wet dirt plus rocks 
that have been in most barrels that have been hauled out when we helped dig 
weighed that or more.

I think the first one we helped with saw either 10 or 14 barrels come out. So 
at a minimum of 400#, that dig alone netted more than 2 tons! I truly think 
Gill probably gets around a ton or more for each 5 barrels, not counting the 
huge rocks brought out singly. Truly an awesome project!  Mimi Jasek

Gill replied:  We were estimating 300 to 600 pounds. But Terry has an in-line
scale we could hang up to measure them. Will try to remember to haul it
over and weigh a half dozen of so of them.   --Ediger


On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:
Gill, Thanks for the report.  Can you estimate an average weight for each 
barrel of fill hauled out?  Just wondering if y'all have an idea of the 
approximate tonnage (fill and rocks) that you have removed since the dig began?
Logan
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On 2/24/2013 9:01 PM, Gill Edigar wrote: KIWI SINK Dig Report--Sunday 24 
February 2013--Andrew and I arrived at
a quarter o'ten and got a status report on Kiwi's garden plot. Then we
attacked the pit. Our immediate objective was to reduce everything
above floor level to about that level before we try to break into the
new underfloor passage opened up by Erin a couple of weeks ago. That
is to be done so that the many yards of loose fill don't fall into the
new lead whilst we're removing them. Currently we have the lead
protected with plywood to minimizing infilling from the higher areas
adjacent to the floor lead. Today we filled up 6-1/2 barrels and
hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks, some in
tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the jin-poles on
the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be raised. Many suitcase
sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for removal. Most
made the transition to the surface; a few are still awaiting another
session or two of backfill removal that will be needed before we can
open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A rather large
contingent of cavers showed up today, many without caving gear. The
list of diggers:

Dale Barnard
Don Broussard
Erin Brown
Andrew Davison
Gill Ediger
Chris Franke
Ryan Monjaras
John Schneider
Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.

...and visitors:
Leslie Bell
Jay Jorden
RD Milhollan
Andy Gluesenkamp

Today was very productive.
--Gill Ediger



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Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK

2013-02-26 Thread Logan McNatt


Mimi works with lubrications,

And gave us interesting calculations.

Rocks and dirt are Vivian's trade,

So we got more calculations that she had made.

The hole known as Kiwi has been just a Sink,

But that soon will change, maybe quick as a blink.

With all the barrels and pails removed by the diggers,

It's been getting' deeper and will surely get bigger.


Only Oztotl knows how long 'til it's done,
But until then it will be many barrels of fun.

Then the time and hard work that everyone gave

Will result in discovery of Kiwi the Cave!


Dedicated to all involved,
Lowgun




On 2/26/2013 9:49 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote:
Thank you, ladies!  I love having knowledgeable friends.  Now, anyone else out there know the load capacity of a barrel designed to hold 400# 
of grease or water (462#)?  I'm used to ratings at 110% of intended load but these barrels obviously hold much more than that, at least 6-700#.


Andy
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

*From:* "vivb...@att.net" 
*To:* Mimi Jasek 
*Cc:* Cavers Texas 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:34 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

grease and oil are relatively light.
5 gals of water would be closer to 42 lbs
5 gals of broken up limestone weighs about 60 lbs
5 gals of solid limestone would be more like 114 lbs.
Soil would be somewhere between water and gravel.

How do I know this?
Landscape Architecture is my trade. rocks and dirt are my game.
But I just googled the conversions.
-Viv
--- On Mon, 2/25/13, Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

> From: Mimi Jasek mailto:mjca...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report
> To: "lmcn...@austin.rr.com <mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>" mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
> Cc: "Gill Edigar" mailto:gi...@att.net>>, "Cavers Texas" 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 10:36 PM
> Logan,
>
> Not too personal at all. What I've learned could prove
> useful to others.
>
> The company I work for does 90-95% of their business selling
> all kinds of lubricants to industry, farmers, machinists,
> etc. So, by necessity, I've had to learn things that have
> actually carried over into normal life.
>
> For caving and digging, knowing specs about barrels, kegs,
> and pails has proved quite helpful.
>
> Barrel = 11-5 gal pails = average 400#
>   5 gal pail
> = 35# of oil
>
>   or gear
> lube
>   5 gal pail
> = 38# grease
>
> Or, if totally full or half full, using 40# and 20# works as
> a good average overall. Easier head math!
>
> So, with these facts, if dirt is dry and fluffy, oil weight
> could work. If wet with rocks, grease weight would be
> better. Keep track of pails, or barrels, and you get an idea
> of weight removed. If using 2 gal pails, again, keep track
> total pails, multiply by 2, divide by 5, then use 35 or 38
> to multiply to get approximate weight. (Or 40)
>
> I have used this method - counter works well - on digs, and
> it gives you a real sense of accomplishment to figure how
> many tons you pull out each dig trip!
>
> So, that's how and why I know:)
>
> Mimi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Logan McNatt mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Mimi,
> >Terry wrote me that "we are well over 100
> dump truck loads at 7-8 tons each".  Wow!
> >
> > Not intending to get too personal here, Mimi, but why
> do you know that "a normal barrel of grease weighs
> 400#"?  You can reply off-list if needed.
> > ;-)
> > Lowgun
> >
> >
> > On 2/25/2013 1:07 AM, Mimi Jasek wrote:
> >
> > Logan,
> > A normal barrel of grease weighs 400#, and the often
> times wet dirt plus rocks that have been in most barrels
> that have been hauled out when we helped dig weighed that or
> more.
> >
> > I think the first one we helped with saw either 10 or
> 14 barrels come out. So at a minimum of 400#, that dig alone
> netted more than 2 tons! I truly think Gill probably gets
> around a ton or more for each 5 barrels, not counting the
> huge rocks brought out singly. Truly an awesome
> project!  Mimi Jasek
> >
> 
--------
> > Gill replied:  We were estimating 300 to 600
> pounds. But Terry has an in-line
> > scale we could hang up to measure them. Will t

[Texascavers] Man Swallowed by Sinkhole in Florida

2013-03-01 Thread Logan McNatt


Just happened last night.  Here's one link

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57571990/man-trapped-in-100-foot-wide-sinkhole-near-tampa/

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Re: [Texascavers] OT -- help needed this weekend

2012-01-26 Thread Logan McNatt


Jim, what are you going to do with it?  Maybe haul it to TCR and other caver 
parties and set it up next to Pete's hot tub?

On 1/26/2012 5:40 PM, Jim Kennedy wrote:


I need 3-4 strong caversin Austinto help me move a vending machine out of the BCI office building this weekend.  Don't worry, this is 
perfectly legal.  Iwas asked to make an abandoned (and apparently non-functioning) machine"go away"in preparation for the delivery of a new 
machine on Monday.  It is pretty large, and I could really use one of those industrial dollies (like you move refrigerators and so on with).  
We have about 8 stairs to go down, and then need to get it intoa truck or trailer.  Then I have to get it home and off the truck or trailer 
again.  Email me off-list if youhavea dolly I can borrow or are willing to come out and help for an hour or so.


Crash

[Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

2012-01-28 Thread Logan McNatt

Thanks to Peter Sprouse and Zara Environmental for forwarding this information; original source unknown.  The early morning storm of Jan 25th 
dumped 5 to 7 inches of rain over much of Travis and Bastrop counties in 6 to 10 hours.  I didn't see anything in the news about this sinkhole.
The huge water quality pond located at Mopac and William Cannon "Shops at Arbor Trails" (inc. Costco, Target, Chuy's etc) went from full to 
empty during this morning's storm.  Over the past year, it was speculated that the pond was leaking.  Few storms had tested the pond over the 
last few months, but this one clearly revealed the issue.  The liner gave way (split) to reveal a large sinkhole which slurped down all the 
water.  Musta been one helluva whirlpool.



(not cave related)  Bastrop State Park got hit real hard by the storm because the fire removed all the ground cover.  The old Civilian 
Conservation Corps culverts had gotten clogged during the long drought, so the water overflowed and took out large chunks of the park roads.  
See the following link for photos.


https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Friends-of-the-Lost-Pines-State-Parks-Bastrop-and-Buescher-State-Parks/313894840447

Logan

Re: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

2012-01-30 Thread Logan McNatt

Fritz,

On 1/30/2012 12:13 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:

May this sinkhole be currently viewed? Will this water quality pond be repaired
or allowed to remain as a recharge circuit to the aquifer?

Whether it would have averted the problem or not, it seems the park authorities should have forseen this possibility and kept the culverts
clear of debris.

Fritz, with hindsight

*From:*Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:49 PM
*To:* Texas Cavers
*Subject:* [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

Logan

Re: [Texascavers] Lost Oasis cricket count

2012-02-06 Thread Logan McNatt


February 29th?  Counting crickets on the night of this "Leap" Year should be 
interesting!

On 2/6/2012 10:05 AM, Jim Kennedy wrote:


Cavers,

The TCMA will be performing a cricket emergence count at the Lost Oasis Cave Preserve in south Austin on Wednesday 29 February.  This is an 
excellent opportunity for a couple of interested volunteers to come out with us and learn what is involved with this biological monitoring 
technique.  The Preserve Manager really only needs two people to participate in the training.  First responses to Ron Ralph at 
ronra...@austin.rr.com  get on the list.  Others are welcome to just show up and observe if they wish.  Ron 
will send the address and a map to participants who need such.  Todd Bayless, the Natural Resources Specialist for Travis County (their karst 
guy) will be doing the training.  There may also be a discussion on red imported fire ant surveys and treatments.  Meeting time at the 
preserve is 5:30 pm.  For more details, contact Ron.


Jim Kennedy

TCMA Preserves Chairman

Re: [Texascavers] O-9 Well trip report - February 4, 2012

2012-02-07 Thread Logan McNatt

On 2/7/2012 9:20 PM, David Ochel wrote:

This was a trip to continue the re-survey of the upstream passage of O-9
Well.

[Texascavers] TCR video by Dorothy Mladenka on YouTube

2011-10-23 Thread Logan McNatt

Dorothy Mladenka from Houston asked me to send this message and link.  It's worth watching, and at the end you'll see the size of the camera she 
used!

Logan

Dorothy writes:

This was taken at the TCR. I used a toy plastic camera: the VQ 2005. It has a 
plastic lens and no sound. NO special effects were used, what you see is 
exactly what I get when I shoot the camera. I have to wait until I download the 
files on the computer before I can see what I did or did not captureI 
purchased the camera for $30 on Walmart.com.Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_gW4Y0RmA

[Texascavers] video of caving in the El Abra

2011-07-13 Thread Logan McNatt

Thanks very much for sending that link, and thanks to Joe and Harold for making
it possible.

Logan McNatt

Mark Minton

Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org

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[Texascavers] Re: James McLane III

2011-07-19 Thread Logan McNatt


On 7/19/2011 10:19 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

This amazing video is courtesy of James McLane III. What an incredibly 
attractive physical specimen.  Fritz

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Fritz, this forum is probably not the appropriate place to declare your 
personal feelings about James McLane III.

LowGun





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Re: [Texascavers] book reviews: Lew Bicking, Cave of the Winds

2011-08-06 Thread Logan McNatt

Thanks for the book reviews, Bill. Very informative, e.g., I did not know the story about Lew Bicking. The description by Squire is
priceless.-- Logan

May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
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[Texascavers] Re: Julia's offer to help with FEMA paperwork

2011-09-10 Thread Logan McNatt




On 9/10/2011 5:16 PM, Julia Germany wrote: Let me know if you need help filling 
out the paperwork.
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One more example of the incredible variety of knowledge, skills, abilities, and 
sharing that make cavers one big family.

Thanks Julia!

Logan

Re: [Texascavers] Paging Gerry Geletzke

2011-09-24 Thread Logan McNatt



On 9/24/2011 8:31 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Could  I, or someone, send 
me your new address?


Mark, probably easiest if you send it to you!  !!



LowGun

[Texascavers] Holy Batcow!

2011-10-01 Thread Logan McNatt

This will give you a chuckle.  I have seen some of the cows around Austin but just now found out about the batcow.  Definitely a new species, 
/bovinus./


http://cowparadeaustin.com/photo-gallery

http://pentagram.com/en/new/2011/09/holy-batcow.php#more

LowGun

[Texascavers] OT Bad Times Virus

2011-05-11 Thread Logan McNatt


My favorite virus warning was a parody on virus warnings.  Google Bad Times 
Virus for a chuckle.

LowGun

[Texascavers] Incident at Enchanted Rock Cave, 3/13/11

2011-05-13 Thread Logan McNatt

Another reason to support the NSS by becoming a member!

Logan
NSS 11274

Lost Child found in Cave

[Texascavers] TPWD to Use LiDAR to Record Rock Art at Panther Cave

2011-05-13 Thread Logan McNatt



It's a rockshelter, not a cave, but hopefully this will be of interest to many 
of you.

LiDAR was also used in the Devil's Sinkhole (State Natural Area) several years 
ago, with the assistance of numerous Texas cavers.

Note:  Tim Roberts is the TPWD archeologist I wrote about several weeks ago 
whose house barely escaped the fires at Fort Davis.


TPWD NEWS RELEASE
*Media Contact:*Rob McCorkle, TPWD, (830) 866-3533 or robert.mccor...@tpwd.state.tx.us; Tim Roberts, cultural resources coordinator, (432) 
426-3897 or tim.robe...@tpwd.state.tx.us


*May 11, 2011*


 Lasers to be Used to Help Document, Preserve Ancient Rock Art

*/Project Beginning Soon at Seminole Canyon State Historic Site/*

COMSTOCK -- Fragile and fading rock art painted thousands of years ago in rock shelters and caves by indigenous peoples at *Seminole Canyon 
State Historic Site*  will soon benefit from the latest in laser technology.


The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, working in partnership with the National Park Service and SHUMLA Archeological Research and Education 
Center, has embarked on a technologically advanced program of documenting, monitoring, and preserving the rapidly deteriorating prehistoric rock 
art at Panther Cave.


Beginning on May 19 contractors at Seminole Canyon west of Comstock will employ LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) mapping techniques to create 
a 3-D map of Panther Cave, a large rock shelter just above the point where the canyon intersects the Rio Grande River along the banks of Lake 
Amistad. Panther Cave in Val Verde County is well-known for its dramatic Pecos River Style pictographs, including a large leaping cat and a 
number of anthropomorphic, or human-like, figures. The site is jointly managed by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department and National Park Service.


Tim Roberts, TPWD's cultural resources coordinator for the region, says extremely detailed digital photos of the site's rock art will be 
overlaid onto a 3-D model of Panther Cave. The rock art site can be accessed by boat, but a chain link fence across the mouth of the shelter 
protects the fragile paintings within.


"The model will be used to help monitor the deterioration of the rock art and be available to visitors who are otherwise unable to access the 
site, initially at computer stations, at Seminole Canyon State Park and Amistad National Recreation Area," Roberts explains. "It also will be 
available to researchers at SHUMLA in Comstock and the Texas Archeological Research Laboratory."


The Panther Cave pictographs, which date as early as 4,300 years old based on available radiocarbon dates, have faced increased deterioration in 
recent years due to apparent increased wasp nesting activities and possibly higher humidity levels within the shelter since the impoundment of 
Lake Amistad in the late 1960s.


Each year thousands of visitors from all over the world find their way to the limestone canyons of the Lower Pecos River country.  The main 
reason most visit is to see the large, vibrant, multicolored paintings of pictographs of shamans, animals and other fantastical figures 
decorating the walls and ceilings of rock shelters in the area. Guided tours are available to some of these sites, including one to the Fate 
Bell Shelter in Seminole Canyon State Historic Site, that requires a short hike down from the park's visitor center on the canyon rim.


"Scientists will be able to compare the imagery resulting from this project with previous photographs to monitor weathering and other damage to 
the pictographs," Roberts says. "LiDAR's accuracy will allow us over time to not only see differences in the rock art, but also to better 
quantify the damage."


2011-05

[Texascavers] Incident at Enchanted Rock Cave, in the news

2011-05-15 Thread Logan McNatt


The incident at Enchanted Rock Cave has resulted in the usual mass media frenzy:

A new children's book series has been started, called "WHAT WOULD YOU DO . . .?"

Book 1 is "WHAT WOULD YOU DO . . . IF DADDY TOLD YOU NOT TO GO IN THAT CAVE?"


Gratuitous headlines soon to appear:

BOY LOST IN CAVERNS!!!  Grotto described as LARGEST, LONGEST, DEEPEST, MOST BEAUTIFUL, AND MOST DANGEROUS in TEXAS, UNITED STATES, PLANET 
EARTH, and probably the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, with unknown passages connecting to CARLSBAD, MAMMOTH, BUSTAMANTE, AND WONDER CAVE; RUMORED TO BE FINAL 
RESTING PLACE OF LOST SPANISH GOLD, JIM BOWIE'S LOST GOLD MINE, D.B. COOPER'S ILL-GOTTEN LOOT, AMELIA EARHART, ROSWELL ALIENS, JIMMY HOFFA, 
BATBOY, AND LOST CIVILIZATION OF ATLANTIS

  BREAKING NEWS!!!  RARE EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI BURY UNIQUE SUBTERRANEAN WONDER 
FOREVER. BATBOY ESCAPES!

The accompanying article just says:  "Read the preceeding gratuitous headline."

LowGun:-D

[Texascavers] old railroad tunnels on the Rio Grande

2011-05-29 Thread Logan McNatt


Don et al.,

Here are some links about the tunnel(s):

http://www.nps.gov/amis/historyculture/tunnelstation.htm

http://www.ohranger.com/amistad/history

This one has a photo of one of the tunnels, partially submerged:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/19369790@N02/3481220482/

[Texascavers] Glow in the Dark Rope for caving?

2011-06-02 Thread Logan McNatt


Some of you probably have seen this before, but I had not until a Memorial Day 
visit to Harbor Freight Tools.

"This 100% polypropylene rope includes fluorescent material that can be charged with either natural or artificial light and will then glow for 
up to 5 hours when placed in the dark.

Fluorescent material can be re-charged as often as needed for up to 6 months.
Perfect for backyard trip hazards, caves, underwater, tent tie-downs, and 
campground perimeter markers.
Diamond-braid minimizes stretch for long life and durability.
Resistant to abrasion, gas-oil, mildew, and chemicals."

3/16" x 50 ft for $2.99; 70 lb "safe working load"
1/4" x 50 ft for $3.99.  90 lb "safe working load"

Not recommended for cavers over 70 to 90 lbs, or for pits over 50 ft deep.

One advantage is being able to see where the rope ends.

LowGun ;-)

Re: [Texascavers] polypropylene

2011-06-03 Thread Logan McNatt

I want to clarify that I sent the original message tongue-in-cheek; I was not actually recommending that polypropylene rope is suitable for 
caving.  I was just surprised that "caves" is mentioned on the packaging.  I have enjoyed the comments.  Do any of you know what would be 
involved (and how much it would cost) to make real caving ropes that glow-in-the-dark?  LowGun


On 6/3/2011 9:44 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
I once had polypropylene prusik slings. They worked fine, although I used them only once in a real pit (~100 ft), just to show that I could. 
About that time, Jumars came out, and I could afford the $18 to get a pair.


A major problem with polypropylene is its low melting point, 130 to 170 degrees C. You could easily get your brakebars hot enough to melt, or 
at least seriously degrade, polypropylene. There may once have been a fatal accident at Gaping Gill (340 feet) in England for that reason. The 
nylon used in caving ropes melts at 265C. -- Mixon


No dolphins were killed in the preparation of this e-mail.


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[Texascavers] new book on rock art of Coahuila

2011-06-04 Thread Logan McNatt

Some of you will be interested in this book, which was published in Dec 2010.  Only 1,000 copies were printed if I understand the statement 
correctly "Se tiraron 1000 ejemplares."  If you want one, you need to contact the Whole Earth Provision Company link below.If you live in 
Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, or Houston, ask if they can send it to one of their stores there so you can pick it up and avoid the $10 shipping 
charge.  The book is NOT on the shelf in their stores.


Logan

P.S.  Speaking of rock art, a group of about 8 Austin-based cavers saw Cave of the Forgotten Dreams tonight at the Violet Crown Cinema in 
downtown Austin.



EL ARTE INDIGENA EN COAHUILA by Solveig Turpin
Universidad Autonoma de Coahuila.  Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. 2010.

Soft cover, parallel text in English and Spanish, 226 pages, more than 150 
color plates and illustrations

$35.00 plus tax and $10.00 shipping



To confirm availability and purchase copies of EL ARTE INDIGENA EN COAHUILA, 
contact our Web Customer Service desk:
Email:  Web Customer Service WEPCo 
Phone:  512-476-1555 during business hours (9 to 5, M-F)
Mail: Whole Earth Provision Co.
Attn: Rock Art book
1010 W. 11th St
Austin, TX 78703

[Texascavers] off-topic? ophidiophobia

2011-06-22 Thread Logan McNatt

Andy G. did mention one word you do not often see on this list:  ophidiophobia.  I had to look it up:  "abnormal fear of snakes".  Indiana 
Jones had ophidiophobia.  Not to be confused with aphidiophobia.


LowGun :-\

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Polypropylene rope and caving history

2011-06-06 Thread Logan McNatt


Alex, thanks for the info.  I'm surprised no one had mentioned it before.

Logan (LowGun)

On 6/6/2011 10:34 AM, Alex Sproul wrote:

I offer for your perusal these phosphorescent caving and rescue products from 
Pigeon Mountain Industries:

PMI Lumi-Line _http://tinyurl.com/4y2k658_

PMI NiteLine _http://tinyurl.com/3rylfml_

They used to also make 11mm and 13.5mm static nylon caving ropes of 100% phosphorescent yarn that was quite bright.  I still have a sample 
piece that gives me a start when I encounter it in the dark.  These products apparently priced themselves out of the market.


The 3mm NiteLine, though expensive, remains quite popular for tent guylines in 
close quarters like OTR...

Alex

[Texascavers] Texas Cavers in June issue of NSS News

2011-06-08 Thread Logan McNatt

But wait! Still more current/former Texas Cavers (Alan Cobb and Albert Ogden) have stories in "Cave Chronicles", edited by Philip Rykwalder.
And yes, Philip also lived in Texas for awhile.

It's not the first issue of the NSS News with extensive contributions by Texas cavers, and it certainly won't be the last. Oh, did I mention
that the NSS News is printed by Terry Raines?

An excellent issue, and one more reason to join the NSS. If you're not a
member, you don't know what you're missing!

Logan
NSS 11274

[Texascavers] Re: hoaxaphobia

2011-06-22 Thread Logan McNatt


On 6/22/2011 9:40 PM, Chris Vreeland wrote:

I think we've fallen victim to the dreaded Double Hoax, in which the hoax 
itself is also a hoax.

The Triple Hoax, thankfully, has never been seen in the wild - that anybody 
knows.


HoHophobia:  fear of Santa Claus

axaphobia:  fear of axes

HoHoHoaxaphobia:   fear of 3 Santa Clauses with axes

Gawd, it's late.  Someone please provide some caving news.


Anonymousaphobia:  fear of signing one's own name

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[Texascavers] Memorable Events in History on April 1st

2011-04-01 Thread Logan McNatt


The following is from the Museum of Hoaxes Top 100 April Fool's Day Hoaxes of 
All Time.  No fooling!
Logan

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/aprilfool/

*#76: Great Cave Sell*
On one undetermined April 1 in the 1840s a story appeared in the /Boston Post/ announcing that a cave full of treasure had been discovered 
beneath Boston Common. It had supposedly been uncovered by workmen as they removed a tree from the Common. As the tree fell, it revealed a stone 
trap-door with a large iron ring set in it. Beneath the door was a stone stairway that led to an underground cave. In this cave lay piles of 
jewels, old coins, and weapons with jeweled handles. As word of the discovery spread throughout Boston, parties of excited curiosity-seekers 
began marching out across the Common to view the treasure. A witness later described the scene: "It was rainy, that 1st of April, the 
Legislature was in session, and it was an animated scene that the Common presented, roofed with umbrellas, sheltering pilgrims on their way to 
the new-found sell. A procession of grave legislators marched solemnly down under their green gingham, while philosophers, archaeologists, 
numismatists, antiquarians of all qualities, and the public generally paid tribute to the Post's ingenuity." Of course, the Common was empty of 
all jewel-bearing caverns, as the crowd of treasure seekers eventually discovered to its disappointment.

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention-thanks!

2011-04-04 Thread Logan McNatt

the photographers and cartographers: thanks for taking the time to enter the photo and map salons; whether you won an award or not, your
entries were certainly worth seeing

Thanks!
Logan

On 4/4/2011 9:19 AM, ellie :) wrote:

[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention-thanks!

2011-04-05 Thread Logan McNatt

the photographers and cartographers: thanks for taking the time to enter the photo and map salons; whether you won an award or not, your
entries were certainly worth seeing

Thanks!
Logan

On 4/4/2011 9:19 AM, ellie :) wrote:

Re: [Texascavers] Ft Davis fires off topic

2011-04-10 Thread Logan McNatt

On 4/10/2011 4:18 PM, Don Arburn wrote:

This is off topic, and I'm fine with it.

Don's iPhone.

On Apr 10, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Logan McNatt mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:

Here's a Facebook page for the fires:

[Texascavers] Ft Davis fires

2011-04-10 Thread Logan McNatt

Just talked to Tim Roberts, the TPWD regional archeologist who lives in the Ft. Davis Estates just outside of town.  They had to evacuate 
yesterday but were able to return to their house today.  He said the firefighters did a good job, because a plastic shed 15 feet from their 
house had melted spots on it, but they hadn't found any other damage . They had stayed with Mark Lockwood, the TPWD regional Natural Resources 
coordinator who lives near Alpine.  Mark was at Devils River Ranch doing the black-capped vireo survey when he got the call to come home.   When 
I talked to him an hour ago he was leaving for Ft. Davis State Park because apparently the fire there has picked up again as the winds pick up.  
Several TPWD folks in the area did lose their houses.  It's an ongoing situation.


Here's a Facebook page for the fires:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232#!/pages/Fort-Davis-Fires/166184330102232?sk=photos

Re: [Texascavers] Mallory report, 8/12/13

2013-08-13 Thread Logan McNatt


What great news, and a great way to start the day for all of us! Mal is an 
inspiration for everyone.

Logan

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Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Logan McNatt

Charles, you're a good administrator. Seldom seen or heard, but when it
happens you write words of wisdom and common sense.

Thanks,

Logan

On 8/20/2013 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the
previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email.

If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense
and talk it out in private.

If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me
directly please.

Charles
Texascavers.com listserver administrator

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear
about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some
time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us
do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring
person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to
visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone,
but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he
and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was
reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had
a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we
made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie
said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not
functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't
understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a
sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious
behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's
and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this
(just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business
other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I
cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with
Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She
should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to
anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will
take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his
back is sickening.

I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other
apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very
disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a
friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the
way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy
realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of
person I want to call a friend.

I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery,
rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering.

Sheryl

Re: [SWR] A good reason to not live in Louisiana

2013-08-22 Thread Logan McNatt

On 8/22/2013 2:27 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: A good reason to not live in
Louisiana (or Florida) Pretty impressive
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23793499
--

The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake
Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI

(snip from Wikipedia) On November 20, 1980, when the disaster took place, the Diamond Crystal Salt Company
operated the Jefferson Island salt mine under the lake, while a
Texaco oil rig drilled down from the surface of the lake
searching for petroleum . Due to a miscalculation, the 14-inch (36 cm) drill bit entered the mine,
starting a chain of events which turned an almost 10-foot (3.0 m) deep freshwater lake into a salt water lake with a deep hole.

It is difficult to determine exactly what occurred, as all of the evidence was destroyed or washed away in the ensuing maelstrom
. One explanation is that a miscalculation by Texaco regarding their location resulted in the drill
puncturing the roof of the third level of the mine. This created an opening in the bottom of the lake. The lake then drained into the hole,
expanding the size of that hole as the soil and salt were washed into the mine by the rushing water, filling the enormous caverns left by the
removal of salt over the years. The resultant whirlpool sucked in the drilling platform, eleven barges,
many trees and 65 acres (260,000 m^2 ) of the surrounding terrain. So much water drained into those caverns that the flow of the Delcambre Canal
that usually empties the lake into Vermilion Bay
was reversed, making the canal a temporary inlet. This backflow created, for a few
days, the tallest waterfall ever in the state of Louisiana, at 164 feet (50 m), as the lake refilled with salt water from the Delcambre Canal
and Vermilion Bay . The water
downflowing into the mine caverns displaced air which erupted as compressed air and then later as 400-foot (120 m) geysers
up through the mineshafts.^[4]

There were no injuries and no human lives lost. All 55 employees in the mine at the time of the accident were able to escape thanks to
well-planned and rehearsed evacuation drills, while the staff of the drilling rig fled the platform before it was sucked down into the new
depths of the lake, and Leonce Viator, Jr. (a local fisherman) was able to drive his small boat to the shore and get out.^[4]
Three dogs were reported killed, however. Days after the disaster, once the water
pressure equalized, nine of the eleven sunken barges popped out of the whirlpool and refloated on the
lake's surface.

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[Texascavers] Salt Dome drains Lake Peigneur, LA 1980

2013-08-22 Thread Logan McNatt

The most dramatic collapse of a salt dome--due to human error--occured at Lake
Peigneur LA on Nov 20, 1980. Incredible film/video footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddlrGkeOzsI

[Texascavers] OFF TOPIC: Austin Music Scene 1965-1994 Photo Exhibit

2013-08-28 Thread Logan McNatt

This off-topic message is for the many (many!) cavers who have ever lived in Austin and/or attended music events here at classic venues ranging 
from Antone's and Armadillo World Headquarters to Vulcan Gas Company and La Zona Rosa (and every place in between) to hear artists ranging from 
Asleep at the Wheel and Balcones Fault to Frank Zappa and ZZ Top (and everyone in between).


The South Austin Popular Culture Center (aka the South Austin Museum of Popular Culture) is hosting an exhibit through Sept 30 of the photos of 
Burton Wilson.  For more information check out their website and Facebook page.

southaustincenter.org
https://www.facebook.com/samopc

For those who can't make the exhibit, there is a book available from online sellers:  The Austin Music Scene 1965-1994 Through the Lens of 
Burton Wilson.  Burton Wilson, 2001, Eakin Press, Austin.

The First Edition, First Printing is excellent quality, but BEWARE: the Second 
Printing is poor quality, not worth buying.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

Lowgun

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[Texascavers] Re: shaved heads

2013-08-16 Thread Logan McNatt

Don wrote: Getting her hair cut off will make Mal 'feel' a bit better. A shaved head is actually quite comfortable. It'll all come back, 
probably thicker than ever.


Gill will be very excited to hear about that. ;-)

[Texascavers] Re: Mother's Day caving

2013-05-12 Thread Logan McNatt

Mimi,

James: A very close call for sure--your split-second reaction and some major
good luck saved you.

Mimi: HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! Glad you still have your cave man around to
celebrate!

Logan

On 5/11/2013 11:43 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:

Ok, I'm going to give my two cents on caving on Mother's Day:)

Happy to still have my cave man,

Mimi Jasek

[Texascavers] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-04-30 Thread Logan McNatt

For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
Place on Earth.


*This Friday May 3*
_Austin_:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills

_Santa Fe_: The Screen

_Scottsdale:_  Shea 14 Theater

*Next**Friday May 10*
_Dallas:_  Angelika Film Center and Cafe

For you folks in other states, try this link 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available on 
numerous links, just Google it.
Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.

Logan

Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Logan McNatt


"It's almost as if they're trying to keep people from seeing it."
No, No, Louise, in fact it's just the opposite.  If I understand correctly, it's an "Indie" type of documentary film with limited funding for 
marketing, and competing against the big blockbusters to get theater time.  That's why I was trying to get the word out to cavers and other 
friends.  The bigger the audience the better. Theaters don't like reserving space for just a handfull of people.

Logan

On 5/4/2013 9:06 PM, Louise Power wrote:
Anyone interested may want to take a peek at the imdb site. It has sort of an interesting review that deals more with errors in the political 
side of the movie than the content.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2343266/?ref_=sr_1

Apparently this movie is pretty hard to find anywhere. It's almost as if they're trying to keep people from seeing it. The notes that I've 
read online indicate that people are almost having to beg local theatres to run it.


Louise


From: gv...@nckri.org
To: lstarr...@gmail.com; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; s...@caver.net
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 00:45:48 +
Subject: Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Several of us in Carlsbad are trying to get the movie shown here. If you'd like to help, put in a good word at: 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/


Thanks,

George



George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org

www.nckri.org

*From:*swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf Of 
*Linda Starr
*Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:48 PM
*To:* Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; 
Southwestern Region
*Subject:* Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Hey grotto and SWR cavers,

 We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was well 
worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0 other cavers 
at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of University of Art and Design) besides us.


 At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author (the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of Priest's 
Grotto." We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the families, 
their trials, their stories of survival and determination to escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded the Ukraine. 
The movie makes you think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to."  My answer is "NO!"  Families and people today would not be able to 
survive 1-1/2 years in a cave.

 Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by it.

Linda Starr

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Grotto cavers,

 Check out this video site and try the link. *I got in and requested a showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater./_It would be 
great if my request received support from you_/ *so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it.  This story 
looks really interesting. Check out the trailer.


Linda Starr

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Logan McNatt* mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

To: Texas Cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, 
s...@caver.net <mailto:s...@caver.net>

For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary movie No 
Place on Earth.


*This Friday May 3*
_Austin_:  Regal Arbor Cinema at Great Hills

_Santa Fe_: The Screen

_Scottsdale:_  Shea 14 Theater

*Next Friday May 10*
_Dallas:_  Angelika Film Center and Cafe

For you folks in other states, try this link 
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

For those of you who don't know about the movie, the trailer is available on 
numerous links, just Google it.
Hint:  a true story about surviving in a cave for a very long time.

Logan



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Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

2013-05-04 Thread Logan McNatt

I strongly agree.  I had suggested to Gill, Linda, and Louise that they send their positive reviews to Janet Tobias (Director and Executive 
Producer), and Chris Nicola.  Philip Rykwalder (livetoc...@hotmail.com) would probably appreciate them, too.


A month or so ago I had sent a minor correction on their website to Janet (a typo: Michel Siffre exited Midnight Cave in 1972, not 1962), and 
also asked about the limited distribution.  She made the correction immediately and replied:


"This is actually only the first wave of releases. IF we do well (cross my fingers) in the first weeks they are going to release it in up to 70 
more markets so it will go much broader in texas and elsewhere. So help us get as many people as possible to the theater in Austin!"   Cavers 
will appreciate the realistic cave scenes, but it's the people who are the real story.


Logan

On 5/4/2013 11:10 PM, George Veni wrote:

Bill,

If you and any others think it may be worth the drive, then it is worth you sending the movie folks a message of support via their website. 
Knowing that people living 2.5 hours away would be willing to come to Carlsbad to see the movie will carry a lot of weight.


Thanks,

George


Sent from mobile phone

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

Bill Bentley  wrote:
Might be worth driving over for that!
Bill

- Original Message -
*From:* George Veni <mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
*To:* Linda Starr <mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com> ; lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com> ; Southwestern Region
<mailto:s...@caver.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:45 PM
*Subject:* Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Several of us in Carlsbad are trying to get the movie shown here. If you'd 
like to help, put in a good word at:
http://www.noplaceonearthfilm.com/showtimes/

Thanks,

George



George Veni, Ph.D.

Executive Director

National Cave and Karst Research Institute

400-1 Cascades Avenue

Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA

Office: 575-887-5517

Mobile: 210-863-5919

Fax: 575-887-5523

gv...@nckri.org <mailto:gv...@nckri.org>

www.nckri.org <http://www.nckri.org>

*From:*swr-boun...@caver.net <mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net> 
[mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf Of *Linda Starr
*Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:48 PM
*To:* Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto; lmcn...@austin.rr.com; 
Southwestern Region
*Subject:* Re: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

Hey grotto and SWR cavers,

 We went to see "No Place on Earth" movie last night in Santa Fe. It 
was only $9, cheaper than other movies; a documentary that was
well worth seeing. I was nearly crying by the end. It is very stirring. I 
hope we can get it at The Guild in Albuquerque. There were 0
other cavers at the showings in Santa Fe (at The Screen, on the campus of 
University of Art and Design) besides us.

 At the 2007 convention in Indiana, a presentation was given by the author 
(the main character in the movie) of "The Secret of
Priest's Grotto." We went to the presentation then, and I was moved to buy 
the book and have it autographed. The movie characterizes the
families, their trials, their stories of survival and determination to 
escape from the Nazis during World War II, when the Germans invaded
the Ukraine. The movie makes you think, "Could I do this with my family if I had to." 
 My answer is "NO!"  Families and people today would
not be able to survive 1-1/2 years in a cave.
 Anyway, if you  get a chance to see the movie, you will be affected by 
it.

Linda Starr

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Linda Starr mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Grotto cavers,

 Check out this video site and try the link. *I got in and requested a 
showing in Albuquerque. I suggested The Guild Theater./_It
would be great if my request received support from you_/ *so that we can see it locally. I might try going to Santa Fe Friday to see it. 
This story looks really interesting. Check out the trailer.


Linda Starr

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Logan McNatt* mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>>
Date: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
Subject: [SWR] No Place On Earth movie May 3 Austin, May 10 Dallas

To: Texas Cavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>, s...@caver.net <mailto:s...@caver.net>

For you folks in the Austin, Dallas, Santa Fe, and Scottsdale areas, a 
reminder that you will have one chance to see the documentary

[Texascavers] Rock Art Foundation tour to Devils River, June 1st

2013-05-01 Thread Logan McNatt

This tour is a rare opportunity to see two impressive pictograph sites--Cedar Springs and Mystic Shelter-- on the Devils River that are on 
private land and closed to the general public.  You will also have the opportunity to immerse yourself in the cool, clear waters of the river as 
you wade across it twice.  I highly recommend this tour for anyone interested in rock art and/or has never seen the Devils River.  Special 
access to spectacular countryside, pictographs, and river for only $35!  You will need 4WD and have to be in good enough shape for a fairly 
long, hot hike, so be sure to check out the details at the Rock Art Foundation website.


http://www.rockart.org/news/index.cfm?newsid=150

Note:  I am not a member of the RAF (but plan to join), and am providing this 
information because I think a lot of cavers will be interested.

Logan


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[SWR] Fwd: Dr. Donald L. Johnson

2013-05-14 Thread Logan McNatt


FYI, for the geomorphologists/geologists/archaeologists who might have known 
him or his papers.

Logan


 Original Message 
Subject:Dr. Donald L. Johnson
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date:   Tue, 14 May 2013 08:36:16 -0500
From:   Paul V. Heinrich 
Reply-To:   Paul V. Heinrich 
To: txarc...@listserv.tamu.edu



Dr. Donald L. Johnson, who was a wonderful geomorphologist,
geologist, soils scientist, and geoarchaeologist, passed away on
Friday May 10 according to Dr.  Bruce L. Rhoads, Department of
Geography, University of Illinois. He and  Jennifer Horwath Burnham
were recently awarded the G.K. Gilbert Award for Excellence in
Geomorphic Research from the Association of American
Geographers for their GSA Special Paper on Mima Mounds.
He published extensively on pimple mounds and about the role of
biota in soil and landform evolution. This research resulted in his
dynamic denudation-biomantle theory. He also published
numerous papers on geomorphology, soil science, Quaternary
geology, and geoarchaeology.

I first met him as an MS student at University of Illinois. Ever
since then, he was a wonderful colleague and friend, and is
greatly missed.

Dr. Donald L. Johnson's web page is at
http://www.geog.illinois.edu/people/dljohns
CV: https://apps.atlas.illinois.edu/CvStorage/documents/users/dljohns

PDF files of some his many papers can be found at
https://www.box.com/dljohnsonshared

Also, there is:

Mima Mounds as Upper Soil Biomantles - South Puget Sound Prairies
http://w.southsoundprairies.org/documents/WCSSMimaPoster9-6-061.6kpdf.pdf

Mima Mounds: The Case for Polygenesis and Bioturbation
Geological Society of America Special Paper no. 490.
http://www.geosociety.org/bookstore/default.asp?oID=0&catID=9&pID=SPE490
http://rock.geosociety.org/Bookstore/toc/spe490.htm

Yours,

Paul V. Heinrich
Baton ropuge, LA 70803



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[Texascavers] Bats video introduces lineup for Austin City Limits music fest

2013-05-15 Thread Logan McNatt

This creative video is clever and fun to watch, in my opinion, although some folks may not like it.  If the link doesn't work, just Google ACL 
Fest 2013.

Logan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0popthrpa8w

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Re: [SWR] crawlways

2014-03-17 Thread Logan McNatt

3/10/2014, Mike Lorimer wrote:  I would like to open up a new discussion thread.  We have all had many wonderful caving experiences, some of 
them bordering on the fantastic.  I would like to start the ball rolling with crawlways.  How about writing something about your best or worst 
crawlway experience?  The good, the bad, the muddiest, the most horrible, the funniest.  You name it.


Thanks Mike, for starting a thread that has been most enjoyable to read.  Thanks to all the contributors for sharing your stories. Photos would 
have been fun, but difficult to take given the circumstances.  I've attached several--taken in 1969 (top) when I weighed 135 lbs, and 1994 when 
I weighed 140 lbs. The 1994 photos (bottom, and "after") were taken by George Veni.  I told him in advance that it didn't go.


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Re: [Texascavers] R.I.P. Speleo Digest

2014-03-20 Thread Logan McNatt

Thanks for the news, Bill, which will mean something only to the older generations of cavers, many of whom probably still have their collection
of Speleo Digests. They certainly were a good resource in the pre-digital years, and I'm glad to know that some of them are available online.
Thanks for your part in producing several of them.

On 3/20/2014 7:26 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
I see from the minutes of the NSS Board of Governors meeting on March 15 that the Speleo Digest series, the last issue of which was for 2003,
is now officially dead. That's a shame, but it seems to acknowledge reality. The series reprinted the best material out of grotto newsletters
during the title year, and was essentially _the_ library of American caves and caving. It was started by the Pittsburgh Grotto in 1956.
Production was taken over by the NSS for the 1964 issue.

I edited and prepared two or three issues back around 1970. The amount of material in each issue has more than doubled since then; the 2003
has almost 600 pages of three-column small type. On the other hand, I had to retype everything on a typewriter and assemble the pages with
scissors and paste. Modern technology and the ability to request files for most of the articles from the publishing grottos ought to have
compensated, it seems to me, but nevertheless getting it out proved to be beyond volunteers. Of course as the years went by, the interest in
working on an issue years out of date decreased. (The 2003 didn't actually come out until 2007.)

Without the Speleo Digest, a lot of great cave explorations and maps published
locally are essentially inaccessible. Sigh. -- Bill Mixon

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