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[Texascavers] Late minute request for a ride to TCR from the San Antonio airport
Would any of you lovely peoples be able to pick me up from the San Antonio airport late Thursday night and take me to TCR? My previous ride has had to change plans at the last minute. Please contact me off list for further details. Thanks! Sandi
[Texascavers] Late minute request for a ride to TCR from the San Antonio airport
Would any of you lovely peoples be able to pick me up from the San Antonio airport late Thursday night and take me to TCR? My previous ride has had to change plans at the last minute. Please contact me off list for further details. Thanks! Sandi
Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe, Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of mind if nothing else. Gatita On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM, brewsky...@gmail.com wrote: Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the Texas valley to T.J. There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it. In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines for control of the cities. In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette. Bruce Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ernest Garza er...@texasphotoworks.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26 To: texascaverstexascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip Mexico Lovers, For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca. I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest. There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not Tampico. Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the intersection, there is a major PEMEX gas station, and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw the two personnel carriers, armed with heavy caliber weapons, driven by menacing looking young men. The leader came up to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the hilt. He asked me what my purpose was, I told him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why they had closed the station, and he answered that it was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and extended a hand, which I shook and said to him, “well done.” Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla. I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave, Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go. At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger and feasted on one. Travel safe, Ernie G - Visit our website:
Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe, Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of mind if nothing else. Gatita On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM, brewsky...@gmail.com wrote: Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the Texas valley to T.J. There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it. In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines for control of the cities. In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette. Bruce Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ernest Garza er...@texasphotoworks.com Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26 To: texascaverstexascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip Mexico Lovers, For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca. I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest. There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not Tampico. Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the intersection, there is a major PEMEX gas station, and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw the two personnel carriers, armed with heavy caliber weapons, driven by menacing looking young men. The leader came up to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the hilt. He asked me what my purpose was, I told him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why they had closed the station, and he answered that it was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and extended a hand, which I shook and said to him, “well done.” Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla. I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave, Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go. At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger and feasted on one. Travel safe, Ernie G - Visit our website:
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
If you guys are serious about the fish thing, we should ask the people at Quality Seafood http://qualityseafood.wordpress.com/wholesale/faqs/ for a wholesale price list. They're the only place I know of in town with no minimum order. Sandi On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Also rememeber that back in Pirtate days there the sea fairing folk were English (mopst all the pirate captins were english) Spanish, Portugeses and Americana, with the pirate bases on French controlled islands (think Creole food). SO many other options. Also remember when selection dishes, we are cooking for your parents/grandparents as well as kids. Many of the old timers are set in their dietary ways and have fixed tastes they like. If we have the option of making a spicy dish then maybe a less spicy dish version as well. (Think about the Thai and Chinese restaurants that allow you to select how hot you want it. Please post a recipe for your dish so we can make a menu to post with the ingredients listed for people with food allergy/issues. I will take care of that end of things once I get the recipes. Terry H. On 8/25/2011 4:23 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: Ok, here are a few sites to look at for menu items: http://recipeisland.com/ http://www.islandflave.com/**recipes http://www.islandflave.com/recipes http://www.caribbeanchoice.**com/recipes/main.asphttp://www.caribbeanchoice.com/recipes/main.asp For a start. I just google'd Caribbean recipies... So, with Terry's sense of urgency (we need that!) let's aim to have an outline of the menu by Saturday week, perhaps meet at my house with samples? Sure we can change later, but that of course comes at a cost. Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Terry Holsinger [mailto:tr...@sprynet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:54 PM To: galen falgout Cc: Stefan Creaser; trog...@cavechat.org; tcrco...@texascavers.com; mrzap...@gmail.com; jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; Matthew Zappitello Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu... Ok, we only have 7 weekends till TCR IF we count this one. We need to get this menu figured out quick. We need to figure out exactly what DISHES (recipes) we are going to have and who is going to cook what. We need to test cook those dishes unless it is something that the cook is used to cooking, and need to make sure the different dishes fit together somewhat as a meal, sort of. Stef, home-made sausage is out, no time, we still need to go and select/collect the cow, kill the cow, butcher said cow, figure out how to cook a WHOLE cow (not just the choice bits) cook said cow, and also make sausage out of the other bits (also remember this will be a lean range feed animal so low on the fat content, same as the wild boar we SHOULD be getting , also will need to go and get that) and at the same time figure out the rest of the menu, purchase ingredients, prepare ingredients, and get out to and set up at the site (fill propane tanks, service cookers, haul trailers out, set up tables, find servers, etc,) then feed 500 folk on site. Not really enough time unless we all have all the weekends free till then and I know we don't. Sandi has given us two side dish options so far Congri arroz: Cuban black beans and rice dish. Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. Often served with fried bananas/plantains. Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it. Had it at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe. Clearly we are looking at cooking some Beef and wild pig, but how, and what else for a main? Chicken? Fish? Are we going to have appetizers (sausage bits?) for the line before (to help keep the grumbling down)? Desert may be Matt's suggestion of pineapple upside down cake. (Pineapple is pacific ocean in origin, correct?) Leaves the whole rest of the menu open.. Terry H. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. --**--**- To subscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-subscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: tcrcooks-h...@texascavers.com --**--**- To subscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-subscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: tcrcooks-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
I'm gonna be in Utah for the next two weeks, so lemme just throw out some ideas before I leave. Congri arroz: Cuban black beans and rice dish. Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. Often served with fried bananas/plantains. Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it. Had it at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe. My pepper plants are still going strong (the only thing that really is right now), so maybe we can do something with serranos? Sandi On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Well that’s not very well developed as yet, so I’d like y’alls input. Here are some notes to go along with… ** ** As you know the theme is pirate/Caribbean. ** ** Meat: We should (hopefully) have hogs from Fran at Bracken Cave. Don Arburn is donating a cow. (I was thinking that we could make pork and beef sausages with some of it, mebbe the w/e before?). Chicken is widely available in the Caribbean. ** ** We would like to avoid jerk-like dishes so we can do a Rastafarian theme another year :-) ** ** Sides: I have a large rice cooker; this will cook rice, quinoa or, I assume, anything similar. ** ** Think fruity – pineapple, banana (and plantain), stuff like that. ** ** Dessert: Matt has suggested pineapple upside down cake. ** ** Fruit salad? ** ** What we have to cook with, etc.: Large fridge, several woks, lots of large pots, BBQ pit, grill. ** ** Get yer thinking caps on! ** ** Cheers, Stefan and Terry. ** ** ** ** -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
If you guys are serious about the fish thing, we should ask the people at Quality Seafood http://qualityseafood.wordpress.com/wholesale/faqs/ for a wholesale price list. They're the only place I know of in town with no minimum order. Sandi On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Also rememeber that back in Pirtate days there the sea fairing folk were English (mopst all the pirate captins were english) Spanish, Portugeses and Americana, with the pirate bases on French controlled islands (think Creole food). SO many other options. Also remember when selection dishes, we are cooking for your parents/grandparents as well as kids. Many of the old timers are set in their dietary ways and have fixed tastes they like. If we have the option of making a spicy dish then maybe a less spicy dish version as well. (Think about the Thai and Chinese restaurants that allow you to select how hot you want it. Please post a recipe for your dish so we can make a menu to post with the ingredients listed for people with food allergy/issues. I will take care of that end of things once I get the recipes. Terry H. On 8/25/2011 4:23 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: Ok, here are a few sites to look at for menu items: http://recipeisland.com/ http://www.islandflave.com/**recipes http://www.islandflave.com/recipes http://www.caribbeanchoice.**com/recipes/main.asphttp://www.caribbeanchoice.com/recipes/main.asp For a start. I just google'd Caribbean recipies... So, with Terry's sense of urgency (we need that!) let's aim to have an outline of the menu by Saturday week, perhaps meet at my house with samples? Sure we can change later, but that of course comes at a cost. Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Terry Holsinger [mailto:tr...@sprynet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:54 PM To: galen falgout Cc: Stefan Creaser; trog...@cavechat.org; tcrco...@texascavers.com; mrzap...@gmail.com; jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; Matthew Zappitello Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu... Ok, we only have 7 weekends till TCR IF we count this one. We need to get this menu figured out quick. We need to figure out exactly what DISHES (recipes) we are going to have and who is going to cook what. We need to test cook those dishes unless it is something that the cook is used to cooking, and need to make sure the different dishes fit together somewhat as a meal, sort of. Stef, home-made sausage is out, no time, we still need to go and select/collect the cow, kill the cow, butcher said cow, figure out how to cook a WHOLE cow (not just the choice bits) cook said cow, and also make sausage out of the other bits (also remember this will be a lean range feed animal so low on the fat content, same as the wild boar we SHOULD be getting , also will need to go and get that) and at the same time figure out the rest of the menu, purchase ingredients, prepare ingredients, and get out to and set up at the site (fill propane tanks, service cookers, haul trailers out, set up tables, find servers, etc,) then feed 500 folk on site. Not really enough time unless we all have all the weekends free till then and I know we don't. Sandi has given us two side dish options so far Congri arroz: Cuban black beans and rice dish. Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. Often served with fried bananas/plantains. Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it. Had it at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe. Clearly we are looking at cooking some Beef and wild pig, but how, and what else for a main? Chicken? Fish? Are we going to have appetizers (sausage bits?) for the line before (to help keep the grumbling down)? Desert may be Matt's suggestion of pineapple upside down cake. (Pineapple is pacific ocean in origin, correct?) Leaves the whole rest of the menu open.. Terry H. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. --**--**- To subscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-subscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: tcrcooks-h...@texascavers.com --**--**- To subscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-subscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: tcrcooks-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
I'm gonna be in Utah for the next two weeks, so lemme just throw out some ideas before I leave. Congri arroz: Cuban black beans and rice dish. Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. Often served with fried bananas/plantains. Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it. Had it at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe. My pepper plants are still going strong (the only thing that really is right now), so maybe we can do something with serranos? Sandi On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Well that’s not very well developed as yet, so I’d like y’alls input. Here are some notes to go along with… ** ** As you know the theme is pirate/Caribbean. ** ** Meat: We should (hopefully) have hogs from Fran at Bracken Cave. Don Arburn is donating a cow. (I was thinking that we could make pork and beef sausages with some of it, mebbe the w/e before?). Chicken is widely available in the Caribbean. ** ** We would like to avoid jerk-like dishes so we can do a Rastafarian theme another year :-) ** ** Sides: I have a large rice cooker; this will cook rice, quinoa or, I assume, anything similar. ** ** Think fruity – pineapple, banana (and plantain), stuff like that. ** ** Dessert: Matt has suggested pineapple upside down cake. ** ** Fruit salad? ** ** What we have to cook with, etc.: Large fridge, several woks, lots of large pots, BBQ pit, grill. ** ** Get yer thinking caps on! ** ** Cheers, Stefan and Terry. ** ** ** ** -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
If you guys are serious about the fish thing, we should ask the people at Quality Seafood http://qualityseafood.wordpress.com/wholesale/faqs/ for a wholesale price list. They're the only place I know of in town with no minimum order. Sandi On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Also rememeber that back in Pirtate days there the sea fairing folk were English (mopst all the pirate captins were english) Spanish, Portugeses and Americana, with the pirate bases on French controlled islands (think Creole food). SO many other options. Also remember when selection dishes, we are cooking for your parents/grandparents as well as kids. Many of the old timers are set in their dietary ways and have fixed tastes they like. If we have the option of making a spicy dish then maybe a less spicy dish version as well. (Think about the Thai and Chinese restaurants that allow you to select how hot you want it. Please post a recipe for your dish so we can make a menu to post with the ingredients listed for people with food allergy/issues. I will take care of that end of things once I get the recipes. Terry H. On 8/25/2011 4:23 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: Ok, here are a few sites to look at for menu items: http://recipeisland.com/ http://www.islandflave.com/**recipes http://www.islandflave.com/recipes http://www.caribbeanchoice.**com/recipes/main.asphttp://www.caribbeanchoice.com/recipes/main.asp For a start. I just google'd Caribbean recipies... So, with Terry's sense of urgency (we need that!) let's aim to have an outline of the menu by Saturday week, perhaps meet at my house with samples? Sure we can change later, but that of course comes at a cost. Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Terry Holsinger [mailto:tr...@sprynet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:54 PM To: galen falgout Cc: Stefan Creaser; trog...@cavechat.org; tcrco...@texascavers.com; mrzap...@gmail.com; jociehoo...@austin.rr.com; Matthew Zappitello Subject: Re: [tcrcooks] Menu... Ok, we only have 7 weekends till TCR IF we count this one. We need to get this menu figured out quick. We need to figure out exactly what DISHES (recipes) we are going to have and who is going to cook what. We need to test cook those dishes unless it is something that the cook is used to cooking, and need to make sure the different dishes fit together somewhat as a meal, sort of. Stef, home-made sausage is out, no time, we still need to go and select/collect the cow, kill the cow, butcher said cow, figure out how to cook a WHOLE cow (not just the choice bits) cook said cow, and also make sausage out of the other bits (also remember this will be a lean range feed animal so low on the fat content, same as the wild boar we SHOULD be getting , also will need to go and get that) and at the same time figure out the rest of the menu, purchase ingredients, prepare ingredients, and get out to and set up at the site (fill propane tanks, service cookers, haul trailers out, set up tables, find servers, etc,) then feed 500 folk on site. Not really enough time unless we all have all the weekends free till then and I know we don't. Sandi has given us two side dish options so far Congri arroz: Cuban black beans and rice dish. Cheap, easy, and vegetarian. Often served with fried bananas/plantains. Jamaican cornbread: Spiced version of cornbread with coconut in it. Had it at the Jammin' House Cafe in Marble Falls. I can prob rip off the recipe. Clearly we are looking at cooking some Beef and wild pig, but how, and what else for a main? Chicken? Fish? Are we going to have appetizers (sausage bits?) for the line before (to help keep the grumbling down)? Desert may be Matt's suggestion of pineapple upside down cake. (Pineapple is pacific ocean in origin, correct?) Leaves the whole rest of the menu open.. Terry H. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. --**--**- To subscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-subscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: tcrcooks-h...@texascavers.com --**--**- To subscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-subscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: tcrcooks-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtcrcooks-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: tcrcooks-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] House for sale in S. Austin
There's a cute little house that just went up for sale on Mockingbird Ln just down the street from Gill Ediger's place. I think they want around $130k for it. Two bedrooms and a narrow yard that meets the creek. The people in the neighborhood asked me to post it to cavetex before a realtor gets a hold of it. We all want to keep this street caver and environmentally friendly, and everyone's terrified of some big developer buying the place and putting up another McMansion. If you know anyone interested, pass them Gill's contact info or reply off-list. Gatita
Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum
So was the exterior cave shot actually Golondrinas? I thought it was while watching the movie, but then second guessed it later. Like David, I also enjoyed the movie, despite the incredibly over-dramatized view of cave divers as reckless and willing to make mercy kills. It's just entertainment folks. Gatita On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Karen Perry txcavem...@yahoo.com wrote: The only thing I found in common with Nullabor was both take place in a cave. Nullabor wasn't a diving trip was 13 people no one died or was seriously injured. Karen --- On *Mon, 2/7/11, David Ochel li...@ochel.net* wrote: From: David Ochel li...@ochel.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sanctum To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 10:57 PM So, Bill, Is there anything on: Based on the true story of co-writer Andrew Wight. He once went cave diving and became trapped with fourteen other people in a cave for two days. Their entrance collapsed and they had to look for another way out. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881320/trivia in your library? Here is what Google found: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/sanctum-the-real-story-6322/blog http://www.cavediving.com.au/cave-diving-articles/1988/12/4/13-hauled-to-safety-from-cave/ By the way, as opposed to others, I was reasonably entertained by the movie... ;-) Cheers, David On 1/27/11 6:48 PM, Mixon Bill wrote: They certainly do play fast and loose with geography. The original event on which the story was based was in Australia. The cave in the movie is said to be in Papua New Guinea, which is a great area for caves, but with its high relief, I wouldn't expect the very long, easy (except for length) sumps like in the original cave in Australia. And then of course some of the stuff appears to have been shot at Golondrinas in Mexico. Poetic license. -- Mixon A fearless man cannot be brave. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduhttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.orghttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=edi...@amcs-pubs.orgor sa...@amcs-pubs.orghttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- David Ochel, mailto:d...@ochel.nethttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=d...@ochel.net - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc1138.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] new TCR photography policy
It does seem to me that this is an issue of common sense and personal responsibility, but a good one to bring up, since a lot of people seem to be oblivious to it. On the photography front, people need to be conscientious of how they distribute the photos they take at TCR. Many people behave in ways at TCR that they would not dare even dream of in their normal lives. Please respect their separation of caver lifestyle from everything else by not allowing TCR photos to be viewed by the non-caver world. The internet totally counts as the non-caver world. On the naked people front, if you're at TCR naked, lots of people are going to see you, including people you don't know. If it would compromise your financial and/or social well-being to be documented being naked, please be very careful of where you are seen naked. While I would like to believe that no caver would maliciously use compromising photos to hurt another caver, unintended and naive use of those photos can and will happen. Please exercise some personal responsibility for your happiness, and don't put yourself in the position to be hurt by some talented photographer's slide show of your gorgeous and very naked self on the TCR float flaunting it for everyone to see. I think if everyone just keeps the above ideas in mind, there will be no need for overarching policies on no photo zones and the potential litigious action following the inevitable disregard of those polices. Just my two cents. Sandi On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:14 AM, freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.comwrote: Or anyone who may be worried about being overexposed could simply wear a mask ala Mardi Gras. --- On *Fri, 10/8/10, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net* wrote: From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new TCR photography policy To: Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.org Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 11:10 PM On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.orghttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bfra...@maverickgrotto.org wrote: Is this an official policy or? The deal is that just because someone tacitly agrees to have their picture taken in (or out of) costume during TCR does not and should not be construed as any sort of permission to 3rd parties to post photos of them to open source internet sites. Keep them in your private collections, if you like, share them at private parties (i.e.: after Grotto meeting parties, etc) amongst friends, but don't put them out for public consumption--by any means. TCR is a private party of cavers and what happens there should pretty much be kept there. To the best of my memory there has never been an official policy on anything at TCR. There are guidelines that comply with the free spirit of TCR and people are expected to use good judgement and common sense in the interpreting of those guidelines. That means that people are given the freedom and responsibility to police their own actions to a modicum of social (within the caving community) acceptability. If you wouldn't want your revealing photos posted on the internet (even if there actually are none) assume that no one else wants their's posted either. Then, don't post anybody else's would be the guideline on this one. Diana's suggestion is the 'safety fuse' on this matter. To be absolutely safe, don't appear in public in a way you wouldn't want to be seen. While that is the logical ultimate solution, it does not allow for the concept that TCR is provided as a safe place to turn kids, dogs, and yourself loose for the weekend and enjoy some freedoms that must be kept penned up during one's daily visits to the real world. By respecting other peoples' personal privacy, though shared with you at TCR, to not have photos of them posted on the internet, can we be sure that TCR will remain a safe place to turn dogs and kids and yourself loose for the weekend. Please understand that this is my personal observation and opinion on the matter. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] UT Grotto spring break trip to Brinco cave
I've gotten a lot of interest in this trip lately, and I am not sure if I have contact info for everyone who has expressed interest. At this point I would like to request that anyone who is interested in going and hasn't directly confirmed their participation with me to please do two things: 1.) Contact me off list for further details. This trip is open to everyone that can get into (and back out of) Mexico and also find a ride in a 4x4, high-clearance vehicle. Right now we do have some room in the vehicles that are going, but that may quickly change. We will leave Austin on 3-14 and return 3-22. 2.) Please sign up for the purificacion.org announcements list by going here: http://purificacion.org/mailman/listinfo/announcements_purificacion.org That way I do not have to constantly update a large, unwieldy e-mail group in my address book. This is a very quiet list as it is used solely for trip planning purposes, so it shouldn't clutter up your inbox. Thanks! Sandi - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Parking for UT Grotto Meeting
You might also be able to park in lot 18 at the corner of 27th and Wichita. I used to park there on weekends without hassle, though things may have changed. Use this map to find it by clicking on the interactive map link: http://www.utexas.edu/parking/maps/ Sandi Quoting Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com: Though I find it horrific to pay for parking, that might be the easiest choice. If I am reading the map right in this link http://www.utexas.edu/parking/maps/visitor/visitor-map.pdf it looks like there are 3 parking garages near Painter Hall. Charges look to be $3 for the period 5:45 until 10:30 pm when the garages close (except the Brazos one which is not too close to Painter Hall, I think). What a pain. -Denise - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT - homebrewing query
Ok, so this is not really caving related, but since many cavers like beer and I would like to brew some beer, and potentially bring some of my homemade brew to TCR, this somewhat-in-a-roundabout-fashion pertains to cavers. I have never brewed anything drinkable before, but since I work with yeast and other microbes on a pretty regular basis, I think it's high time the little buggers started doing something nice for me for a change (well, other than that whole furthering my research thing). It has come to my attention that some of you out there may have dabbled in homebrewing and might be interested in helping me out/sharing knowledge/equipment/whatever. If this be true, please reply to me off-list and maybe I can organize some sort of homebrew related gathering so we can all pool our collective resources and/or passion for drinking the byproduct of yeast metabolism. Cheers! Sandi - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
