Re: [Texascavers] Roadtrip from Houston - Part 2

[mark gee]

 David, Its time to start planning for Cookville, Tenn.You got lots of time to 
make and save the few dollars that you will need.Check those tires and get that 
car mechanically up to speed. Try to stay longer than a day. I wish you the 
best.Mark
On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 2:15:09 AM CDT, David  
wrote:  
 
 From David LocklearHit delete button real hard ( probably 2 or 3 times )

It looks like my tentative road-trip is a washout.   I looked up synonyms 
for"dud," and came up with:    kaput, unsound, defective, faulty, and bust.
I am not sure what the correct speleo-term is for this,  but the symptomsare 
identical and equivalent to E.D. But a capsule of sildenafilcitrate will 
not fix it.
So I am going to coin the phrase:   "speleo-kaput."     For when at the 
verylast minute, you cancel your trip. This seems appropriate, since I have 
readcavers use the term "kaput," on various occasions.

I managed to get my Sequoia loaded up.   I had winter-clothing, a cot,a tent ( 
I think I had the right poles ), but no fly, a good sleeping bagand mattress, 
small ice chest, most of my new LED lanterns, and a tiny 
bit of imaginary cash ( meaning some bill payments were postponed ), 
and plenty of snacks and beverages, nice table and chair, and a 
extra-large duffel bag.    Just saying, I wasn't totally unprepared, as 
I often have been in the past few years.

I had what can only be described as spelunking gear, although it didinclude a 
large Swaygo pack, real caving boots, and a decent Walmartheadlamp and 2 
back-up headlamps, and extra batteries and Gatoradeand energy bar, gloves, 
elbow pads and clothing suitable for a few hoursin a dry cave.  Where my caving 
helmet is - only Oztotl knows.It is surely boxed up in my rental storage unit - 
at least one or two layers beneathall the stuff I crammed in there after 
Hurricane Harvey.

In theory, I could have stayed a seven-hour drive from Houston til Monday 
evening.
My sixth sense ( which is normally quite accurate ), was subtly indicatingto me 
that the stars had not aligned in my favor.
So I sit here now, at 2 a.m., sulking with a non-alcholic Fentimans Ginger Beer 
andeating a bowl of ramon-noodle soup, mixed with a can of sardines, andvarious 
seeds, wondering what is Plan "B," for the remainder of what isessentially my 
2019 Spring Break.

There is a pretty good chance that I can visit my daughter briefly Saturday 
nightand I have not really been able to spend any quality time with her since 
school started.
And maybe some on Sunday too.    She did indicate she is looking forward to 
thatvisit, as she just called me two hours ago.

Ironically, I think I may have had a place to stay in Thackerville, Oklahoma on 
Saturdayand Sunday night, and even a free dinner or breakfast, had I not 
tentatively planned to gocamping.    That was sort of a Plan "C," or Plan "D."

For the record, I did try my best to get 2 old Houston cavers off the sofa 
today, andeven tried to coerce my now estranged lady-friend to tag along.   She 
dumped meon Valentine's Day.    ( I really didn't think I was supposed to get 
her a present ), butI did spend the day with her and take her to dinner.    
Isn't that enough ?    We sortof made up, at least enough to take her on a 
road-trip.
So assuming I don't waste any money this weekend, and assuming work goes well 
thenext two weeks, then I should be able to plan a road-trip to Kerrville in 
early April, if Ican get off work that weekend. Maybe by then, I will have 
my Sequoia, more road-ready.
D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] Possible WNS Treatment

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 Interesting, Thanks Mark.M.

On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 9:05:32 AM CST, mmin...@caver.net 
 wrote:  
 
 NPR recently ran a story about a potential treatment for White Nose 
Syndrome in bats: 
.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention nostagia

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 From a friend. Stay Home and get a better job. There's next year in Cookville 
Tenn.Try to come and enjoy the whole convention.On Saturday, July 21, 2018, 
8:39:23 PM CDT, David  wrote:  
 
 In reference to a recent post by a caver skipping the convention.

I am tonight pondering for the first time, what it would take to at least 
attendthe convention for 1 or 2 days.   Sunday and Monday ?

My problem ( as if I only had one ),  is that I seem to have a 4 day window 
right now, where I could make aserious road-trip, but that would leave me 
missing all the official NSS activities.
I have mentioned this before here, but my first convention was the 1994 
Conventionin Texas, and that was a whole lot of fun, but some would say that it 
was just way toohot for such a gathering.    My next convention spoiled me 
because I got to go on a realcaving trip into Cass Cave, West Virginia before 
the convention, and since it was atthe official OTR site, a whole lot of fun 
was had.  At each convention, I had somemishaps of some kind, that offset 
the fun. In Texas, I got real sick after the convention,and spent a lot of 
money being treated and missed a lot of work.    In West Virginia, I arrivedat 
the airport in Charleston, totally unprepared to hitchhike to the campground, 
and I think whenI got there I had trouble getting in because I had not 
pre-registered, and I had a difficult timegetting back to the airport ( Roy 
Wessel came to the rescue ).    In Maine, I had the very besttime of my life.   
The only mishap I recall, is that a lot of effort was made to see Acadia 
NationalPark, but it was so foggy when I got there, that I might as well just 
stayed home and stuck myface in the car's exhaust pipe.    In Marquette, I 
missed my plane, not realizing it was the last plane,that day, and a caver who 
is on this list serve went above the call of duty to rescue me. In 
Huntsville, 2005, my wife had an accident at the campground, tripping over the 
tent wire causing our9 month old baby to fly thru the air and nearly landing on 
a tent stake hitting her head on the cornerof a lounge-chair.    In 
Porterville, I made the mistake of trying to pick-up a rider in LA on the way 
back, and drive themback to Houston.    That was a nightmare.  My road-trip 
to Vermont was just pure H*ll, there andback, and I was only at the Convention 
about 4 hours at most, an hour of that was just trying to getsomeone to let me 
in as registration had closed.    Nevada would have been more fun, had I 
realizedmy car problems were simple radiator cap. And last year, my trip 
with cowpoke and Mystery Caverto Albuquerque was bad, until I blew a 
head-gasket only to learn that that requires replacing a V8 motorwhich was over 
$ 10,000 by the time I got my Sequoia back.
In summary, I have a vague idea that even though I would probably have a hoot 
in Helena, that somethingbad would happen similar to the stuff above. I had 
a Craigslist ride offer today out of Houston, but itwas very very shady. We 
played phone tag all day, and they were just too vague for my suspicions, 
andthere was absolutely no way that I could get off work this afternoon.
Anyways,
Part of the nostalgia of going is getting to meet with cavers like Mr. Fleming, 
so if he and his friends or colleaguesare not there, then that will be a 
bummer. The chances of me going caving on this trip are less than 
winningthe 493 million dollar Mega Millions all by myself.

On the subject of "Bang for the Buck" or value of what you get for the money 
spent, it is true, I could find somethingfun to do for a few hundred dollars 
closer to home, and not miss much work.
I am guessing there will be 200 cavers from areas like Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, 
and other PNW areas, along with Canadians.And that those cavers, would probably 
not come to a convention like the one in Florida.   
Florida was a mud pit, but the tubing was soawesome on the Ichetuckenee River.  
    I decided on that float trip, that I was going to tell the machine shop 
foremen,( where I had been temporarily working ) that he could take his job and 
shove it.      That might have been a huge mistake,but I was about as senile 
that day, as I am today.    And that is how I ended back up in the rut I have 
beenin for the past 9 or 10 years.  


I could easily spend a few days in the Ozarks in Arkansas just chilling.  I 
could head south into Mexico,and go swimming somewhere like Micos.  I could 
be more sensible and do something around the TexasHill Country.
I purposely skipped the 1998 Convention, because my old friend Harry Walker ( 
R.I.P. ) and my new friend VictoriaArbizu-Sabateur wanted to climb 3 or 4 
fourteeners near Aspen, and visit the hot springs, and go rafting thruSnider's 
Suckhole in Brown's Canyon on the Arkansas River and tour the commercial cave.  
   That was oneof the best road-trips of my life, although it was severely 
marred by transmission failure in Harry's 

Re: [Texascavers] McNatt

[mark gee]

 That Suxs

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 5:18:37 PM CDT, Nancy Weaver  
wrote:  
 
 yikes.  just sent him an email.  thanks.  Nancy


On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Jim Kennedy  wrote:
Logan just called me. His computer was stolen while he was in Belize. So he 
isn't online for a while. Call him if you need to reach him. 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas attendees to NSS Conv ?

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 I,ll be driving up on Thursday morn before convention. No room for Locklear. 
Will be going to Lewis and Clark Caverns, the Devils Tower, Wind & Jewell Caves 
and want to see Mount Rushmore. Whats in Nebraska that I might want to see on 
the way back. I'been to Boot Hill in Kansas. Maybe see the cave in OK. Name 
escapes me at this moment.Have the week off after the convention. I hope you 
will look me up at the convention. I hope that Texas will be well represented 
in Montana. I have a new 2018 Subaru to get me there and back. 24 1/4 hour 
drive. Gonna due it in one shot, or at least try. LATTER !
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, 4:02:05 PM CDT, Charles Goldsmith 
 wrote:  
 
 Now that would be a great story, to hear about David's adventures through 
someone else's tales

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:56 PM Bill Bentley  wrote:

  
I was gonna offer Locklear a ride...
 

 
 
 On 6/6/2018 3:42 PM, Jim Kennedy wrote:
  
 Aaaand, so begins the pool for what time Locklear will show up at the 
Convention, how long he will stay, and how many emails about what a bad 
decision it was. Any takers?

Mobile email from my iPhone

 
 On Jun 6, 2018, at 12:43 PM, David  wrote:

>From David Locklear

I have not been able to give any thought to going to Montana in late July.

I have not recovered mentally from my road-trip fiasco to the last convention.  
I still owe over $ 10,000 for my new motor ( which I have already put 50,000 
plus miles on )

But I am at the point today, where I either need to start turning down work, so 
that I will be free the week of the convention,

or face my reality and just start taking on extra work.

It might as well be in Hawaii or Alaska or Taiwan or Puerto Rico or Guam, etc.

Driving my Sequoia there, especially alone, would be one of the stupidest thing 
I ever done, and that list is already longer than most people on Earth.

Flying seems impossible, since I waited so late.

I imagine others will skip this year too.

But I had fun at Bellingham, Marquette and Essex Junction and Maine, and other 
odd places of previous conventions.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] This day in speleo-history

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 You left out alot David. It was Jesus Christ . And he arose from the dead so 
that sinners like you and I could have eternal life. If we repent of our sins 
and except him as our savior. Through Gods grace we are saved. 
On Friday, March 30, 2018, 2:50:51 PM CDT, David  
wrote:  
 
 Just for fun - please enjoy and don't get your knickers in a wad

On this day, ( plus or minus a few weeks ) about 1,983 years ago ( plus or 
minus 200 years )
An alleged man allegedly named Joseph of Arimathea, went to an alleged 
shopkeeper and allegedly purchased
"The Shroud of Turin."
He allegedly wrapped a dead guy up that he found in the The Shroud of Turin and 
allegedly placed him in a tiny cave.   ( Allegedly, this tiny cave was just a 
carved out hole in the rock that Joseph of Arimathea had allegedly made for his 
own corpse, as he allegedly sensed the banshees were coming for him soon. 

Then Joseph allegedly disappeared for allegedly 60 hours ( presumably to 
partake in a ritual, possibly related to Passover or spring harvest related to 
barley ( a.k.a. beer  ),
and then Joseph of Arimathea allegedly returned to the alleged cave for some 
unknown reason and then allegedly found the Shroud of Turin empty with an 
alleged large blood stain on it exactly matching a photo-copy the alleged dude 
that he thought he had wrapped in it.
Then after allegedly stashing away all his fresh barley juice in another secret 
hole, he then allegedly ran 10 kilometers back to town to wake up the dead 
man's mom and maybe even the dead man's wife, but they too were also suffering 
the divine headache related to drinking too much barley juice.
They all allegedly claimed that never found the dead guy's body, and swore a 
pact to never tell anyone that they all had had way way too much barley juice 
that night.
This all has no relation to the Turing Computer.   That is another holiday.
Did I leave out anything ?
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Re: [Texascavers] Status of the email list - FYI

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 Charles, Thank You for what you do to keep us all in the Know.

On Thursday, February 1, 2018, 4:25:33 PM CST, Charles Goldsmith 
 wrote:  
 
 Just a heads up, we had a bit of outage on the mailing list that I wasn't 
aware of.  I knew it had been quiet, but we do go through occasional dry 
spells.  I've been busy lately and just didn't notice the lack of emails until 
someone emailed me today about it.
Problem is fixed and email should flow through now, even some backlog.
It's possible something older than a week ago was ultimately bounced and will 
need to be resent.
If you don't see the appropriate email come through as you expect by tomorrow 
(2nd), then please resend.
As always, send me questions if you have any, and always feel free to email me 
if you think it's not working.
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Re: [Texascavers] Harvey Relief

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 Im glad you two are OK.
On Friday, September 1, 2017, 6:14:21 AM CDT, Kevin McGowan via Texascavers 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm  in Houston. We get a lot of press because of our size. But it seems, 
places like Port Aransas, Rockport and and all those nearby smaller towns have 
almost been forgotten. Many areas have been wiped out, similar to Galveston, 
with Ike. 

There's an incredible number of lives to be rebuilt.  

Best to all. 

Kevin McGowan 

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 10:33 PM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even though the rains in Houston have taken a brake, there is still a long 
> way to go to dig out of the mess Harvey has made of the Texas coast. Let's 
> all come together as the family of cavers we are and lend a helping hand to 
> the folks who are in need right now. 
> 
> Please take a few minutes reach deep and give what you can . Remember, you 
> can ear mark those donations to a specific caver family if you already have 
> someone in mind to help out.
> 
> If you can't give money, consider giving your time. Rockport, Port Aransas, 
> Houston, and many other communities are in shambles. I've rarely seen a group 
> of folks work harder than cavers to reach a goal. Getting these communities 
> back on their feet is a lofty one but it's doable with us all working 
> together.  
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

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Thanks Jacqui
 

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas 
 wrote:
 

 I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I said 
I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:

No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
gear for 3 years”).

And so it goes. Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Cave spiders

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Flys must have more than two eyes. They must have an eye in the back of their 
head.They can move out of the way of a speeding rubber band. 

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:06 PM, Penelope Boston 
 wrote:
 

 Diana, a fascinating issue, indeed.  I have always assumed (actually I think I 
“know” maybe from some class in far ago graduate life???) that the issue is 
really how much complex neural integration is required for image-forming eyes 
where integrating 2 inputs is relatively straightforward but the complexity of 
incorporating more information streams to be cobbled into a single “image” 
would overtax small nervous systems.  I think that may still be the case, 
because not all these eyes are image forming but rather are auxiliary 
light-sensing units.  However, octopods integrate haptic (touch) information 
from every tentacle and surface successfully.  But they are far more complex 
and sophisticated (and large!) than spiders.  I have just looked at the 
Wikipedia level, at a few other spider families and it seems that 2 main eyes 
and a bunch of auxiliaries are common, although the Pisauridae (nursery web 
spiders) have a lot of small co-equal eyes.
Lots of theoretical work has now been done on image integration for the 
astronomical instrument version of this, namely interferometry, so possibly 
some of that work is applicable to the biological version. Food for thought.P

Penelope J. Boston, PhD (ON LEAVE May 31st, 2016 - May 30th, 2017)
Director, Cave and Karst Studies Program
Chair, Earth & Environmental Sciences Dept.
New Mexico Tech (NM Institute of Mining and Technology)
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Cave Research Photos: http://photos.i-pi.com/caving/
AFTER MAY 31st, 2016:Director, NASA Astrobiology Institute
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Moffett Field, CA 94035

On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Diana Tomchick 
 wrote:

This is fascinating. I now have an answer to a question that has nagged me for 
years, and none of my fellow scientists have been able to answer (although to 
be fair, none of us are organismal biologists).
Why don’t higher organisms have more than two eyes? Are there living examples?
I know that many sea creatures have multiple photoreceptors, but this is 
different.
"The carapace had eyes arranged in three rows, with two on top, four in the 
middle and two on the bottom. That pattern is common throughout the Ctenidae 
family.”
And the photo caption:
"A male Sierra Cacachila wandering spider. This species is found in natural 
grottos and abandoned mine shafts, where it hunts by running down prey.”
The Horror!
Diana

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On Apr 12, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Lee H. Skinner  wrote:
http://www.livescience.com/58644-big-furry-spider-discovered-in-cave.html

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave Assistance number for Bexar County

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You have a lotof fun.
 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2016 11:14 AM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 i am so relieved the clamor has died down about the caver.. it got so that it 
didnt matter  - Texas Caver - Delete..I just arrived in pompeii. Here for a 
month
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 wrote:

The outdated-ness of this list was addressed at the meeting at TCR. I'm talking 
with a local caver/firefighter about being the safety chair, and updating that 
list.
I do know that John Kreidler does not want to be a contact anymore, and that DJ 
Walker is indeed still the South Central Regional Coordinator for the NCRC.

-h

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I've check the TSA web page and the Texas Caver related to the call number to 
> request Caver Assistance.
>
> I volunteered a number of years ago to have my cell phone listed for cave 
> assistance. I checked them today and here is what I found.
>
> The number listed on the Texas Speleological Association web page is
>
> 210.865.1576
>
> Number from the Texas Caver is
>
> 210.865.2061 Texas Caver
>
> My actual number is:
> 210.326.1576 cell
>
> It is close to the TSA number but probably won't get any help there.
>
> I've called both the TSA and the Texas Caver numbers to see if there was a 
> caver associated with them and there was not.
>
> I would recommend that these numbers be changed to 210.326.1576 (unless 
> someone else wants to do this).
>
> I would also recommend that the names associated with each number be listed 
> on the web page and Texas Caver.
>
> It would probably be worthwhile to check the numbers for the other counties 
> to see if they are up to date and figure out who they go to.
>
> In addition, the NCRC names and numbers appear to be out of date.
>
> Anmar Mirsz is still the NCRC National Coordinator and not John Punches (John 
> is the training officer)
>
> Also, the NCRC web page has DJ Walker listed as the South Central Region 
> Coordinator.
>
> I'm not sure if the Kreidler Funeral Home is still volunteering to be part of 
> the cave rescue system.
>
> I think it's time to update this system.
>
> Geary
>
>
>
>
> [http://www.edwardsaquifer. org/signature/images/eaa_20- 
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>
>
>
>
>
> Geary Schindel, P.G.
> Chief Technical Officer/Director - Aquifer Science
>
>
>
> 900 E. Quincy | San Antonio, TX 78215
> tel: 210-222-2204, ext. 346
>
>
>
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org< mailto:gschindel@ edwardsaquifer.org>
> www.edwardsaquifer.org
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS convention Registration

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I feel the same pains and hope it goes well.markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:36 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

   I have asked the Registration Chairperson to please post the list of
registrants, so far to no avail. That list has traditionally been
published so that people could check who they might know that was coming
as well as that their own registration had been recorded properly.
Unfortunately it seems the organizers of this convention don't seem to
know much about the way NSS Conventions are typically organized. One
wonders whether they have ever been to one before. For example, they
scheduled a band other than the Terminal Syphons to play at the
Wednesday night Campground Party. :-(

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Tue, July 12, 2016 8:26 pm, C Tiderman via Texascavers wrote:
> Mark,
> You can get a lot of what you are looking for at the web site.
> Unfortunately, there is not a who's coming list.

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Re: [Texascavers] : cool NSS convention

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Carol, Thank You very muchThat is just what I needed.markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:29 PM, C Tiderman via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

 Mark,
You can get a lot of what you are looking for at the web site. Unfortunately, 
there is not a who's coming list.
Registration - NSS 75th Anniversary Convention

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  From: mark gee via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention
  
Have not heard where or how to get to the camp ground. When does registration 
start and where is the school or what ever it might be.  Am I missing 
something. Have not seen a list of those confirmed at the convention. Want to 
make sure they got my check 5 months ago. Can someone help. 
markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:59 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

 A reminder to Texas cavers attending the NSS convention in Ely, Nevada, who 
haven't read all the poop about the convention: The average nightly low 
temperature this time of year is 48°. Be prepared.
-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention

[mark gee via Texascavers]

Have not heard where or how to get to the camp ground. When does registration 
start and where is the school or what ever it might be.  Am I missing 
something. Have not seen a list of those confirmed at the convention. Want to 
make sure they got my check 5 months ago. Can someone help. 
markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:59 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 A reminder to Texas cavers attending the NSS convention in Ely, Nevada, who 
haven't read all the poop about the convention: The average nightly low 
temperature this time of year is 48°. Be prepared.
-- Mixon

Always forgive your enemies after they are hanged.

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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[mark gee via Texascavers]

I think you should read what you want and delete what you don't want to read. 
Every now and then he does write about things of interest. Get along, we all 
have a great privilege to use the internet for many enjoyable things. David is 
and interesting person with many interest.Sometimes  

On Friday, July 8, 2016 1:30 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, unsubscribed 
from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David Locklear. I’m 
about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my inbox 
with list-inappropriate posts.Can those of you who like David please counsel 
him on list etiquette and suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic 
posts?Thanks,Frank BinneyNSS 10816 fellowi...@frankbinney.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Blair Pittman news

[mark gee via Texascavers]

Met the  man at his home  in Terlingua and took him a copy of his story in a 
1974 National Goegraphic. about east texas plants and things. Was and is still 
is a very interesting man to spend some time with. He showed me the Terlingua 
Sink hOLE and took me and my x wife into the mine near his home. Met a friend 
of his from Houston who was also a writer. Cant remember his name.  


 On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:22 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
   

 Thanks for passing along the good news, Dwight.
  Logan McNatt
  lmcn...@austin.rr.com

On 4/14/2015 1:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
 Blair Pittman news

 Long-time Texas Caver

  From the Terlingua Moon: 4/14/2015

 Blair Pittman, who recently suffered a stroke, “is doing pretty darn
 well,” according to his wife, Jean Hardy-Pittman.
 The former long-time resident of Terlingua, who now lives in Alpine, and
 author of the popular “Tales From the Terlingua Porch” books will be in
 intensive rehab therapies in El Paso for some time, she said.


 But “he is very lucky,” Jean added.


 “His stroke was a hemorrhage, not a clot (embolism), and though it was a
 large bleed area,” she said last week, “it did not get into the
 ventricles which would have potentially caused much more damage.”


 And she was optimistic: “He might come out of this stronger than before.”

 Written by Carl Leatherwood.

 Thank you, Carl.

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[Texascavers] Fw: Conduct Unbecoming of Cavers

[mark gee via Texascavers]

Jesus is someone who loves you, and wants the best for you.  

  On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:00 AM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
   

 Where do I join? :)

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Fritz.
 
 We don't have space for all the Texas Cavers, so it's really just the UT 
 Grotto ppl, sorry.
 
 If you are in town thou, get in touch...
 
 Cheers, Stefan
 
 From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon 
 Tiu via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
 Sent: 22 December 2014 18:41
 To: Cavers Texas
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Conduct Unbecoming of Cavers
 
 Stefan,
 
 Are you inviting Fritz only or everyone on this list?
 
 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 Seasons Greeting Fritz!
 
 Hope you enjoy the attached pic ;-)
 
 BTW, we are having a New Year’s Party at our new house. Are you free, would 
 you like directions/information?
 
 Cheers,
 Stefan
 
 From: Texascavers 
 [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
  On Behalf Of Fritz Holt via Texascavers
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:53 PM
 To: texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Conduct Unbecoming of Cavers
 
 Lyndon,
 I was waiting for some wise- ass to say, Who's Jesus. Merry Christmas, 
 Lyndon, Barbara and Emma and others who read all this junk.
 Fritz
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 No, don't stop, please keep it coming. It's a welcome break to my 
 mind-numbing non-stop 24/7 baby, family, work life ...
 
 Merry Christmas to y'all !!!
 
 For those who don't believe in Jesus, Happy Holidays.
 
 See you guys at a caving event soon.
 
 
 On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:18 PM, 
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 texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 If y'all are going to keep insulting each other, I recommend you email each 
 other privately and take it off the list serve. We don't need this kind of 
 talk on here.
 
 Ryan Monjaras
 Semper Exploro
 Maverick grotto
 Cowtown grotto
 DFW grotto
 UT grotto
 Bexar grotto
 Greater Houston Grotto
 TSA
 TCMA
 
 Sent from my pocket computer.
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

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Believe it when I see it, Im giving up.

On Thu, 10/9/14, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014, 9:33 PM
 
 That's
 only during Spring Convention.  Sorry, Fritz. 
 
 Mobile email from my
 iPhone
 On Oct 9,
 2014, at 9:16 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:
 
 Jim,Is there
 actually going to be an auction at TCR this year such as is
 held at the convention?Fritz holtfritz...@gmail.com
 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Jim Kennedy via
 Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:
 
 Not
 polite to ask him about his dental problems. 
 
 Mobile email from my
 iPhone
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 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
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 How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on
 facebook but we need a short trip repot.
 
 
 
 Also, how is the plaque coming along.
 
 
 
 Geary
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 From: Texas
  Cavers
 
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014
 ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM
 
 To: Texas
 Cavers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 The Texas Caver online
 issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an
 eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten
 around to downloading a digital book ap, I’m depending on
 readers
  with the capability for feedback. 
 Thanks!
  
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 210.399.6762
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Re: [Texascavers] Way to save a tortoise!

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Great job and neat tortoise. 
On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:39 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
 
Congratulations to the two BCI employees who rescued a tortoise from an Arizona 
mineshaft. The tortoise had fallen 20 feet to the floor and they were able to 
bring it up and take it in for care. It had a hole in its shell. Good work, 
guys!  

Re: [SWR] Public comments on White-Nose Syndrome

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I think that a list of responsible cavers could be put together and that these 
could be allowed to cave if they request permission. Those cavers would be 
familier with decon steps to assure that spores are not moved fron one cave to 
another. Cavers could be a wealth of info at these caves that are being 
protected. I know that they could do more good than harm. Dont we need to know 
what is happening in these caves while they are kept closed for this long 
period? Mark Gee NSS 49625
On Thursday, May 1, 2014 1:28 PM, Jennifer Foote bigredfo...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Here is another one currently out for comment.





Colorado BLM accepting public comments on White-Nose Syndrome Adaptive 
Management Strategy and Environmental Assessment until May 22 
http://www.blm.gov/co/st/en/BLM_Information/newsroom/2014/0.html



 
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Re: [SWR] A New Thread: Crawlways

[mark gee]

Great story Steve. Thats a long way to crawl. I dont know about the sulfur 
crawl, but I wish I would have been there with you. These memories would make 
almost anything else easy. How did the sketch look? Did the notes stay clean?
Caveman Mark Gee



On Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:07 AM, John Corcoran 
john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com wrote:
  
Mark,

Getting out wasn't too bad, once I realized I had to take off the web belt
to get through the bottom tight spot.  Was pretty chilled by the time we got
to the surface, but had bright sunshine that day...

Regards,

John

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Minton
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:10 PM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] A New Thread: Crawlways

John,

         That's a harrowing story! I can't think of having been in such a
desperate situation myself. Getting back out must have been interesting.
Glad you survived!

Mark

At 07:21 PM 3/12/2014, John Corcoran wrote:
Mark,

Your Deer Spring Cave crawl reminds me of a trip in the 1960s to the 
caves on Cave Creek in the Pecos Wilderness in New Mexico.  Alan Hill, 
Carol Hill, and I had heard about these caves and knew it would be a 
beautiful hike (cave's entrances  were around 9,500 feet in elevation 
as I recall) so decided to check things out.  The first thing we 
spotted was an apparent resurgence in the creek bed and then up-canyon 
found the entrance to the first cave.  About 1/3 of the water flowing 
down the creek (fed by snowfields higher up in the wilderness -brrr!) 
went into this entrance which is about 3-4 feet in diameter.  Alan 
Hill, being an experienced wet caver of Mammoth/Flint Ridge fame,  said 
he had seen two other entrances just like this back east and both led 
to caves with over ten miles of passage, so he immediately got his cave 
gear together (including coveralls on top of three pairs of thermal 
underwear) and entered the cave.  Carol told me not to let Alan get too 
far ahead or go alone, so I got my gear together (coveralls, one pair 
of thermal underwear (not as prepared as was Alan!), and a 
military-style web belt with a pouch on each side to carry water and 
other
supplies) and entered the crawl.  The cave descends through a series of 
small waterfalls at constrictions along the passage - a series of stair 
steps with successively tighter pinches as you go downhill.  I did not 
see Alan, so I hurried headfirst through the loud descent.  I could see 
a faint light shining on the surface of a pool at the bottom of the 
last little waterfall In came to and, not sure I could turn around to 
go feet first, stuck my arms and torso through the small opening and 
tried to touch the floor of the pool.  However, the water was deeper 
than I thought, so I tried to back out and could not do so since I had 
nothing to push against.  Then I tried to finish going through the 
opening and jammed in the tight spot thanks to the canteen pouches at 
my waist.  I could not reach my hands past my body to undo the belt and 
while struggling, noticed that I had almost cut off the whole stream 
flow with my body and could feel the water backing up above me.  The 
water rose above my feet, and started flowing down inside my coveralls 
and exiting at the neck right into my face like a fire hose, making it 
difficult to breath and impossible to shout for help from Alan who was 
at the end of the long, narrow room trying to dig out some logs from 
the next constriction.  Just when I thought my number was up, the water 
pressure became high enough behind me to tear one of the pouches off the
web belt and I plunged down into the pool and up to my elbows in soft
sediment.
Immediately surfacing to get a breath, I saw a big wave moving away 
from me at roof level right towards Alan.  When the wave reached the 
other end of the room, I felt a big concussion and then the wave 
bounced back at me and oscillated once more.  I thought for sure I had 
injured or killed Alan since I could not see him at all during the 
commotion, but when I started forward to try to find him, his head 
popped up out of the water with a big grin on his face!

Regards,

John

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of 
Mark Minton
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:56 PM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] A New Thread: Crawlways

          Bill Tozer's post reminded me of an experience in Deer Spring 
Cave in Nevada. It has a rapidly flowing stream in passage that 
alternates between walking along the strike and crawls going updip. One 
of those crawls was body tight in 46-degree water. One couldn't remain 
in one place for long without backing up the water.
To avoid drowning you had to move forward a body length or so and then 
squeeze to one side to let the accumulated water rush past.
There was the added complication of occasional cobbles that had to 
loosed up and tossed to the side to allow

Re: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.

[mark gee]

I dont mind at all. It I want to read it I do, if not, I delete it. Thanks 
David. Why is this a problem




On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:04 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
  
The original thread was Mystery Cave of the Month - not Mystery
Cave of the Hour.

It was not my idea.    I am certain this was something that once ran
in the Texas
Caver, or in some caver newsletter that I saw somewhere.

I am trying hard to not post stuff.    I had an interesting article about caver
urination systems, but I never posted it.

There is an exciting new $ 15 LED headlamp that needs to be reviewed,
but I skipped
it.

I post-poned the 2014 East Texas Caver's Cookout till 2015, but did
not tell anybody.

I enjoyed the Mystery Cave pictures, but didn't say anything.

And isn't it only the Austin cavers, that are always posting personal
things like cars
for sale, and pool parties, lost poodles, and other stuff that has
nothing to do with caving ?

My good friend, Don, calling me a troll, was unexpected.    I do not
feel like a troll, as I
really don't believe that I post stuff for attention, or to create discord.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Cave #2

[mark gee]

Is the cave in Hudspeth County.




On Friday, February 21, 2014 6:34 PM, Pete Lindsley caverp...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Nope, been there and that's not it. What is pictured is a more impressive 
entrance.

- Pete

On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Mark Minton wrote:

       I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've never been 
there, but always wanted to.

Mark

At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

 Mystery Cave #2
 
 OK David and you other Texicans.  This is also the entrance to a Texas cave.  
 The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not very 
 close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on the 
 right - wearing the c'boy hat.
 
 It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and THEN 
 find out if they actually have been there -.
 
 DirtDoc
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: Paradise Canyon Trip

[mark gee]

Yall have fun! Find the big one up on that cliff side.




On , Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote:
  
If you intend to use a cabin bring your own sheets and towels. 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote:

 

The owner opened up all 6 cabins for our use. Each one has 3 beds. Kitty and 
claim one the others are available.  Come on out.  

 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 21, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote:

 
 


I've had a few cancellations so I have space for about 6 additional people.   
Saturday  Sunday morning tacos and or pancakes will be provided.  Saturday 
evening is okra, chicken and shrimp gumbo with rice. Please remember to bring 
your own plate, utensils and cups.  Anyone interested in coming this weekend 
or even the weekend after Thanksgiving please let me know so I have a head 
count and can make arrangements to get you in the gates.  

 
It would also be a big help if everyone could bring a few snacks to share and 
or a dessert for Saturday night dinner. Otherwise it is BYOB or drink of 
choice.   

 
We most likely will not be able to arrive before 8 pm on Friday.  Please call 
for gate code and instructions for camping if you are arriving before that 
time.   

 
See you folks this weekend.  
Kurt  

[Texascavers] Ted Lee

[mark gee]

Ted, I'm going to be at TCR. If you can bring or get my camp chair to me,the 
blue one with the footrest, I would be most greatful / Contact me. /

Does anyone have his phone number. Call me at / 972-955-3348.
Happy Caving!!   Mark Gee

[Texascavers] Ted Lee

[mark gee]

Ted, I'm going to be at TCR. If you can bring or get my camp chair to me,the 
blue one with the footrest, I would be most greatful / Contact me. /

Does anyone have his phone number. Call me at / 972-955-3348.
Happy Caving!!   Mark Gee

[Texascavers] Lost Chair

[mark gee]

Ted Lee, Some one told me that you might have picked up a extra chair at Bills 
Steele's camp. Its dark blue and it has a foot rest that pops up when you lean 
back. If anyone knows about this , please let me know something.
Happy Caving!!!\Mark Gee

[Texascavers] Lost Chair

[mark gee]

Ted Lee, Some one told me that you might have picked up a extra chair at Bills 
Steele's camp. Its dark blue and it has a foot rest that pops up when you lean 
back. If anyone knows about this , please let me know something.
Happy Caving!!!\Mark Gee

[Texascavers] Lost Chair

[mark gee]

Ted Lee, Some one told me that you might have picked up a extra chair at Bills 
Steele's camp. Its dark blue and it has a foot rest that pops up when you lean 
back. If anyone knows about this , please let me know something.
Happy Caving!!!\Mark Gee

Re: [Texascavers] Open Letter to the Members of the TSA

[mark gee]

I look foward to this issue. Great work and keep it coming.
Happy Caving!
Mark G

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:


From: Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Open Letter to the Members of the TSA
To: TexasCavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 1:01 AM






Open Letter to the Members of the TSA 
 
    There is an issue of the Texas Caver now ready to print.  It is a 
very special issue to commemorate 50 years of publishing the Texas Caver and is 
also a brief retrospective of the last 50+ years of Texas caving.  
Appropriately, it is 50 pages; much of it in color.  Several dozen people have 
contributed to it in various ways.  Distribution of this issue will fulfill the 
TSA’s moral debt to deliver the final issue owed but never delivered to the 
2005 TSA membership.  At a past TSA members meeting, the TSA voiced support for 
the publication of this issue.  
 
    Here is a quote from the minutes of the October 21, 2007 
members meeting:
 
“Jerry Atkinson/Carl Kunath have completed* the 50th anniversary issue of The 
TEXAS CAVER.  Mark Alman to handle printing and mailing of this special issue.  
Allan Cobb stated that TCR would donate $300 towards this special edition.”
 
    *Note: The word “completed” was incorrect.  We were then 
working to complete the issue.  Now, after some delays, it is ready.  When told 
that it was ready for printing and after having pointed out the practical and 
ethical considerations involved with producing this issue, the present 
leadership of the TSA has refused to print it.  Here is a quote from the 
Chairman:
 
    “Solicit “pre-orders” on CaveTex, in the TEXAS CAVER and at the 
Convention in April for a price to be determined.  Probably around $10, 
including postage.  If enough interest we would then order and mail them.”
 
    When that plan was called into question, and the Chairman was again 
reminded that this was something that was owed to the 2005 TSA members and had 
been previously approved, there was a further response:
 
    “But, if you insist on presenting why the TSA need [sic] to spend 
over (now) $1500 (or 25% of our operating budget) for a six year old newsletter 
that most people either know nothing or care nothing about, I’ll be sure to put 
it at the top of the agenda.
    If you consider this a good use of TSA assets, go for it.”
 
    That is a bizarre and high-handed attitude, especially considering 
the previous discussions.  So, yes, Mr. Chairman, we are going for it.
 
    Were you a member of the TSA in 2005?  If so, you paid your 
membership dues with the expectation that some member benefits would accrue.
    What sort of member benefits are we thinking of?  Sadly, aside 
from bankrolling an annual convention, about the only thing that TSA does for 
its dues-paying membership is to provide the Texas Caver.  At least it says 
that it will.  In 2005 (and a few other years) the TSA could not manage even 
that.
    Aside from a “feel good” emotion when you sign up, a few 
lightly administered projects, and the promise of a regular newsletter, there 
are no other benefits to TSA membership.  There is no welcoming packet.  You do 
not get a mission statement for the organization or any sort of historic 
perspective as to why it exists.  You do not get a copy of the Constitution and 
By-Laws.  You do not get a reduced rate to attend a TSA function or to purchase 
branded merchandise—you pay the same as any non-member.  You do not get a 
complimentary issue of the most current newsletter.  You do not get a current 
membership list.  You do not even get a membership card.  Yes, some of these 
things are available on the TSA web site and you can download and print at your 
time and expense.  But, basically, anything you do after handing over your dues 
money costs extra—except you get the Texas Caver.  Supposedly.
    What happens if the Caver is not produced?  What happens to the 
funds that are collected but not expended?  Do the TSA members get a refund?  
Hardly.  Not even an apology.  The funds remain in the general treasury until 
such time as they are disbursed for the benefit of the general membership.  
Hopefully.
 
    If it is a money issue, how has TSA been spending its funds?  Is 
the TSA disbursing significant amounts of money in ways that are most 
beneficial to its membership?  How has TSA’s money been spent over the past 10 
years?  Here is a brief summary of the major expenses as noted in the published 
minutes:
 
2004    $500 to produce Devil’s Sinkhole posters.  (How many have been sold?)
2007    $1,000 to Honey Creek for entrance maintenance and improvements.
2007    The TSA convention lost $800 (Those in attendance were asked for 
contributions to cover the shortfall.)
2008    Caver $2,128.29 over budget.  Cost for the 

Re: [Texascavers] Open Letter to the Members of the TSA

[mark gee]

I look foward to this issue. Great work and keep it coming.
Happy Caving!
Mark G

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:


From: Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Open Letter to the Members of the TSA
To: TexasCavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 1:01 AM






Open Letter to the Members of the TSA 
 
    There is an issue of the Texas Caver now ready to print.  It is a 
very special issue to commemorate 50 years of publishing the Texas Caver and is 
also a brief retrospective of the last 50+ years of Texas caving.  
Appropriately, it is 50 pages; much of it in color.  Several dozen people have 
contributed to it in various ways.  Distribution of this issue will fulfill the 
TSA’s moral debt to deliver the final issue owed but never delivered to the 
2005 TSA membership.  At a past TSA members meeting, the TSA voiced support for 
the publication of this issue.  
 
    Here is a quote from the minutes of the October 21, 2007 
members meeting:
 
“Jerry Atkinson/Carl Kunath have completed* the 50th anniversary issue of The 
TEXAS CAVER.  Mark Alman to handle printing and mailing of this special issue.  
Allan Cobb stated that TCR would donate $300 towards this special edition.”
 
    *Note: The word “completed” was incorrect.  We were then 
working to complete the issue.  Now, after some delays, it is ready.  When told 
that it was ready for printing and after having pointed out the practical and 
ethical considerations involved with producing this issue, the present 
leadership of the TSA has refused to print it.  Here is a quote from the 
Chairman:
 
    “Solicit “pre-orders” on CaveTex, in the TEXAS CAVER and at the 
Convention in April for a price to be determined.  Probably around $10, 
including postage.  If enough interest we would then order and mail them.”
 
    When that plan was called into question, and the Chairman was again 
reminded that this was something that was owed to the 2005 TSA members and had 
been previously approved, there was a further response:
 
    “But, if you insist on presenting why the TSA need [sic] to spend 
over (now) $1500 (or 25% of our operating budget) for a six year old newsletter 
that most people either know nothing or care nothing about, I’ll be sure to put 
it at the top of the agenda.
    If you consider this a good use of TSA assets, go for it.”
 
    That is a bizarre and high-handed attitude, especially considering 
the previous discussions.  So, yes, Mr. Chairman, we are going for it.
 
    Were you a member of the TSA in 2005?  If so, you paid your 
membership dues with the expectation that some member benefits would accrue.
    What sort of member benefits are we thinking of?  Sadly, aside 
from bankrolling an annual convention, about the only thing that TSA does for 
its dues-paying membership is to provide the Texas Caver.  At least it says 
that it will.  In 2005 (and a few other years) the TSA could not manage even 
that.
    Aside from a “feel good” emotion when you sign up, a few 
lightly administered projects, and the promise of a regular newsletter, there 
are no other benefits to TSA membership.  There is no welcoming packet.  You do 
not get a mission statement for the organization or any sort of historic 
perspective as to why it exists.  You do not get a copy of the Constitution and 
By-Laws.  You do not get a reduced rate to attend a TSA function or to purchase 
branded merchandise—you pay the same as any non-member.  You do not get a 
complimentary issue of the most current newsletter.  You do not get a current 
membership list.  You do not even get a membership card.  Yes, some of these 
things are available on the TSA web site and you can download and print at your 
time and expense.  But, basically, anything you do after handing over your dues 
money costs extra—except you get the Texas Caver.  Supposedly.
    What happens if the Caver is not produced?  What happens to the 
funds that are collected but not expended?  Do the TSA members get a refund?  
Hardly.  Not even an apology.  The funds remain in the general treasury until 
such time as they are disbursed for the benefit of the general membership.  
Hopefully.
 
    If it is a money issue, how has TSA been spending its funds?  Is 
the TSA disbursing significant amounts of money in ways that are most 
beneficial to its membership?  How has TSA’s money been spent over the past 10 
years?  Here is a brief summary of the major expenses as noted in the published 
minutes:
 
2004    $500 to produce Devil’s Sinkhole posters.  (How many have been sold?)
2007    $1,000 to Honey Creek for entrance maintenance and improvements.
2007    The TSA convention lost $800 (Those in attendance were asked for 
contributions to cover the shortfall.)
2008    

Re: [Texascavers] Open Letter to the Members of the TSA

[mark gee]

I look foward to this issue. Great work and keep it coming.
Happy Caving!
Mark G

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:


From: Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Open Letter to the Members of the TSA
To: TexasCavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 1:01 AM






Open Letter to the Members of the TSA 
 
    There is an issue of the Texas Caver now ready to print.  It is a 
very special issue to commemorate 50 years of publishing the Texas Caver and is 
also a brief retrospective of the last 50+ years of Texas caving.  
Appropriately, it is 50 pages; much of it in color.  Several dozen people have 
contributed to it in various ways.  Distribution of this issue will fulfill the 
TSA’s moral debt to deliver the final issue owed but never delivered to the 
2005 TSA membership.  At a past TSA members meeting, the TSA voiced support for 
the publication of this issue.  
 
    Here is a quote from the minutes of the October 21, 2007 
members meeting:
 
“Jerry Atkinson/Carl Kunath have completed* the 50th anniversary issue of The 
TEXAS CAVER.  Mark Alman to handle printing and mailing of this special issue.  
Allan Cobb stated that TCR would donate $300 towards this special edition.”
 
    *Note: The word “completed” was incorrect.  We were then 
working to complete the issue.  Now, after some delays, it is ready.  When told 
that it was ready for printing and after having pointed out the practical and 
ethical considerations involved with producing this issue, the present 
leadership of the TSA has refused to print it.  Here is a quote from the 
Chairman:
 
    “Solicit “pre-orders” on CaveTex, in the TEXAS CAVER and at the 
Convention in April for a price to be determined.  Probably around $10, 
including postage.  If enough interest we would then order and mail them.”
 
    When that plan was called into question, and the Chairman was again 
reminded that this was something that was owed to the 2005 TSA members and had 
been previously approved, there was a further response:
 
    “But, if you insist on presenting why the TSA need [sic] to spend 
over (now) $1500 (or 25% of our operating budget) for a six year old newsletter 
that most people either know nothing or care nothing about, I’ll be sure to put 
it at the top of the agenda.
    If you consider this a good use of TSA assets, go for it.”
 
    That is a bizarre and high-handed attitude, especially considering 
the previous discussions.  So, yes, Mr. Chairman, we are going for it.
 
    Were you a member of the TSA in 2005?  If so, you paid your 
membership dues with the expectation that some member benefits would accrue.
    What sort of member benefits are we thinking of?  Sadly, aside 
from bankrolling an annual convention, about the only thing that TSA does for 
its dues-paying membership is to provide the Texas Caver.  At least it says 
that it will.  In 2005 (and a few other years) the TSA could not manage even 
that.
    Aside from a “feel good” emotion when you sign up, a few 
lightly administered projects, and the promise of a regular newsletter, there 
are no other benefits to TSA membership.  There is no welcoming packet.  You do 
not get a mission statement for the organization or any sort of historic 
perspective as to why it exists.  You do not get a copy of the Constitution and 
By-Laws.  You do not get a reduced rate to attend a TSA function or to purchase 
branded merchandise—you pay the same as any non-member.  You do not get a 
complimentary issue of the most current newsletter.  You do not get a current 
membership list.  You do not even get a membership card.  Yes, some of these 
things are available on the TSA web site and you can download and print at your 
time and expense.  But, basically, anything you do after handing over your dues 
money costs extra—except you get the Texas Caver.  Supposedly.
    What happens if the Caver is not produced?  What happens to the 
funds that are collected but not expended?  Do the TSA members get a refund?  
Hardly.  Not even an apology.  The funds remain in the general treasury until 
such time as they are disbursed for the benefit of the general membership.  
Hopefully.
 
    If it is a money issue, how has TSA been spending its funds?  Is 
the TSA disbursing significant amounts of money in ways that are most 
beneficial to its membership?  How has TSA’s money been spent over the past 10 
years?  Here is a brief summary of the major expenses as noted in the published 
minutes:
 
2004    $500 to produce Devil’s Sinkhole posters.  (How many have been sold?)
2007    $1,000 to Honey Creek for entrance maintenance and improvements.
2007    The TSA convention lost $800 (Those in attendance were asked for 
contributions to cover the shortfall.)
2008    

Re: [Texascavers] Will new film Sanctum be the Vertical Limit of Caving?

[mark gee]

Fo Fo, I feel the same way. I like a good movie. 





From: Fofo gonza...@msu.edu
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 7:34:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Will new film Sanctum be the Vertical Limit of 
Caving?

Oh, who are we kidding? We will _all_ see it, like The Descent and The Cave, 
and 
then when it's out on DVD someone will have friends over (hey, a drinking game 
when every time there's something completely out of normal caving happens on 
screen can get pretty interesting) or it'll be shown at a grotto social.

I'm looking forward to it!

     - Fofo





On Jan 22, 2011 17:24, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: 

Here's the trailer. I have a bad feeling about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZHjv3ASfw

It seems to have all of the earmarks of an exploitation style hack job. Stupid, 
needless bickering within the expedition group. Backwards, Aussie-style 
rappelling. All that seems to be missing is the nitro.

So who's going to go see it? I'll wait for your reviews.

-Tim



  

[Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave

[mark gee]

Andy, Contact me how you like. Have some old questions to ask, at least about 
and old subject.
Mark Gee
email or call |C 9729553348


  

[Texascavers] Lost phone numbers.

[mark gee]

Help, I lost all my phone numbers due to a broken cell phone. If you think I 
will or want me to call you, please send me your cell numbers so I can get with 
you when I need. Carl K., Joe, Allan C, Terry H, Peter, Pete L, Linda P, Joe  
Evelyn, Crash, Matt Z, Matt,  Matt, Jerry A, Will H, Andy Z, Cory- CBSP, 
the conference center at CBSP, Travis, there are a lot 

more and 
You Know Who You Are    These are nice to have for cave rescue to. There's 
at least another 75 or so I would like to have 
Mark Gee
markageetxca...@yahoo.com
my cell 972-955-3348
Thank all ove' you. 


  

Re: [Texascavers] New Project! Inner Space Caverns

[mark gee]

Dont forget Honey Creek, sump dives and pushing the mud, resurvey of Amazing 
Maze, and I know the rest of you know of other, secret caves.
Happy Caving !!





From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 11:14:08 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] New Project! Inner Space Caverns


 
Let it never be said that there aren't enough opportunities to go caving in 
Texas!
 
 
Between all of our existing TSA projects (CBSP, Gov't Canyon, Longhorn), the 
new 
Devils River Project, TSS' Lake Amistad Project, the DFWG's Spring Creek Cave 
project, and a load of other less publicized projects out there, just pick a 
weekend and there will be something to do and somewhere to go.
 
As long as they're announced here and entered into the wonderful TSA Calendar.
 
Which leads us to our next new Project!
 
 
I began discussions over a month ago, during a sojourn to Longhorn, and after 
having given a cave talk to a large group of Boy Scout leaders near Salado.
 
The general manager and landowner were very interested in beginning volunteer 
activities with the TSA at this spectacular cave and, IMHO, one of the best 
show 
caves in the Southwest.
 
 
Here's what they initially would like for us to do:
 
 
Power Washing the trails - After hours (they close at 5:30) and using their 
equipment. Rubber boots or tennis shoes recommended.
 
Algae cleanup from formations - Ditto, but if you have resto equipment, you're 
welcome to bring it.
 
 
 
I'm thinking this would be a Friday night and/or a Saturday night project, for 
as long as it takes or folks are interested, and they also have graciously 
volunteered to take volunteers on a wild cave tour, either Saturday day or 
Sunday AM.
 
 
No dates have been set, as I'm just trying to gauge the interest level. This 
would be an excellent project for college cavers, due to it's proximity to 
Austin (and DFW, for that matter).
 
Please contact me offline and I'll put you down.
 

 
Thanks again and hope to hear from YOU!
 
 
Mark


  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion Dust Bowl 2010

[mark gee]

We want to know. How many showed up ?- not counting the unwanted guest from the 
party up the hill.
Happy Caving!!
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:


From: Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion Dust Bowl 2010
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 9:05 AM





Dusty?
What dust?
Never noticed a thing.
Too busy laughing with old friends and making new ones.
Had a great time!
 
Many thanks to Allan and all the other, mostly unsung, heroes who make this 
event possible!
 
===Carl Kunath
 






- Original Message - 
From: Allan Cobb 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion Dust Bowl 2010

Howdy y'all,

TCR is a great event because it is attended by really great people. Thanks 
to all those who came out.

Yes, it was a little dusty.  That happens when it doesn't rain for a while.

I did see lots and lots of people having fun and that is the whole point of 
TCR.

I really want to thank the cooks for the great meal, the people who manned 
registration, Pete for the hot tub and sauna, the Terminal Syphons for a 
rockin' show, the vendors and organizations, and all the people who worked 
behind the scenes doing all the things that make TCR happen.  Thank you to 
everyone helped.

This year we tried to find the dustiest spot we could, you'll have to come 
to TCR next year to see the next big surprise.

See y'all next year,
Allan 


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Re: [Texascavers] SAVE THE DATE: 2011 TSA Spring Convention- Fort Clark Springs, Brackettville, TX, April 1st-3rd

[mark gee]

Sounds nice and the drive will be long but worth it. Look foeard to it.
Happy Caving !!





From: Joe Ranzau jran...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com; Ron Ralph 
ronra...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 2:49:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] SAVE THE DATE: 2011 TSA Spring Convention- Fort 
Clark 
Springs, Brackettville, TX, April 1st-3rd

Ron Ralph - 

So, we should probably make sure Ellie is nominated for Vice Chairman and gets 
elected since it looks like she has already done all the work

Joe


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:38 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote:

Texas Cavers: I am excited to announce this event! I will continue to post 
updates as the event gets closer. Please forward information to any and all. 


TSA Spring Convention- April 1st-3rd, 2011
Fort Clark Springs, Brackettville, TX

Enjoy the best-kept secret in Texas! Fort Clark Springs is a unique oasis 
nourished by the Las Moras Spring, which has provided comfort and enjoyment to 
visitors for over 12,000 years. Today, Fort Clark Springs is a 2700 acre gated 
resort and leisure living community, bordering US Highway 90 at Brackettville, 
TX. Since 1971, the Fort Clark Springs Association has developed this 
peaceful, 
secure place to live and relax while carefully preserving a significant 
National 
Register Historic District, which holds a prominent place in the history of 
our 
nation. 


Spring Convention is a technical meeting with presentations from cavers about 
project status, techniques, scientific developments, exploration and many 
other 
subjects. TSA Spring Convention is a great time for all of us to come together 
with family and friends to enjoy group meals, presentations, workshops, new 
works at the Map  Photo Salon, treasures at the TCMA auction, business 
meetings, and your favorite speleovendors.

Roger Moore and Mallory Mayeux will be the Program Coordinators this year and 
they are excited to make this another great year of presentations. Contact 
them 
both at cavera...@aol.com, mmayeu4@gmail.comwith ideas or comments. 


The Details:

   * Presentations at Service Center: accommodates 300 people, AC, 
 bathrooms, and 
a kitchen http://99.139.198.182:1069/nco.htm
   * Camping at Rendezvous Park: lots of tree shade, hugs the creek, very 
 private, 
few steps from pool and Service Center
   * Main Attraction: One million gallon, spring-fed pool, 68 degrees, 
 crystal 
clear, and 8 feet deep!
   * Pets permitted on leash (there will be no one monitoring the 
 campground)
   * Airfield available for those who chose to fly in
   * Hotels on site are an option for all but cost is not included in the 
registration fee. Hotels are a mix of Rustic and Historic, renovated barracks 
from the cavalry.  Rates are available at 
http://99.139.198.182:1069/hotel.htm%20Registration Fee: TBD but probably will 
be $15

Contact Ellie at vicechairman@cavetexas.orgfor more info. 

Relevant Web Sites: 
TSA Website: www.caves.org
Fort Clark Springs Web Site: http://99.139.198.182:1069/(lots of photos and 
info 
on area)
Facebook Event Page (can be viewed by non-members): 
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=507449505v=app_2344061033#%21/event.php?eid=118366598218649index=1

Photos from recent trip: 
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=229140id=507449505saved#%21/album.php?aid=229140id=507449505






  

Re: [Allcavers] [Cowtown] Fwd: MetroPlex caver Christmas party

[mark gee]

Looking foward to a great party Diana and Bill. 
Thank You both!





From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com; DFW Grotto 
dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org; 
memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; Allcavers Metroplex Cavers List 
allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; memb...@netcavers.org
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 11:44:29 AM
Subject: [Cowtown] Fwd: MetroPlex caver Christmas party

Mark it down on your Calendars, Dec 4th.  Bill and Diana usually put on a party 
that you won't soon forget!


-- Forwarded message --

Hi Charles,

Would you go ahead and make an announcement, so people can get it in their 
calendars early, that Diana and I are going to open our home again and host the 
Metroplex caver Christmas party this year? It'll be on Saturday night, Dec. 4. 
All cavers, no matter what grotto they're in, or no grotto at all. More details 
will be forthcoming.

Thanks,

Bill


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Re: [Texascavers] Re: TX caver real estate

[mark gee]

Buy a cave thats in the right geographic location with some acreage for a 
party. 
It could happen but we need the right spot. 

Happy Caving!!





From: John Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:14:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: TX caver real estate

This was a subject of debate among Texas Cavers for many years. And there was a 
land aquisition fund established by the TSA.for the purposes of possibly 
aquiring a site that could be used by TCR.or to buy a cave.an extensive 
polling of Texas Cavers took place and even included the opinions of non-tsa 
members. And 4 years ago; TSA members voted to use The land fund to pay down 
the 
mortgage on the deep/punkin preserve.

As for a future TCR site.I think the current TCR land system works fine 
for the size (and resources) of the group that attends. 


I am sure this entire topic is covered in depth in the classic: 50 Years of 
Texas Caving.

If you don't have a copy...I am sure are still a few copies to be found. Get 
your copy today before they go out of print.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:03 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

I think Saj had a valid question.

I recall at some kind of formal Texas caver meeting in 1993 or so, a mention
by a caver that a land acquisition fund was being set up.    Whatever
happened to that?

I would think that if 400 serious cavers donated $ 100 at the same
time, you would
immediately have $ 40,000.    I doubt there are 400 serious cavers
that would donate
$ 100 at the same time though.

The other problem is that that kind of money could be used to buy a
cave or at least
do something to help a cave in danger.

And then you have to have someone willing to be responsible for the
property and
pay the taxes.

I can see cavers getting together to buy a small piece of property,
but getting something as nice as a campground like Paradise Canyon, is
clearly not feasible.

Back to Saj's original question, I think that if anybody hears of a
good deal they should
not hesitate to post it on CaveTex whether it is feasible or not.

But if the goal is for cavers to gather in the outdoors, there are
less expensive
ways to do this, like renting a campground.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Location for TCR

[mark gee]

Allan, I count you as a friend and I think you for finding an organizing a 
place 
for the TCR 

Happy Caving!!
Mark





From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com
To: Jon cavefa...@yahoo.com; Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com
Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 4:01:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Location for TCR


After putting brain in gear, I now get it. If she comes to TCR maybe we can get 
Helen Wheels.
 
Slow Fritz
 



From:Jon [mailto:cavefa...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 2:49 PM
To: Don Arburn
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Location for TCR
 
Do you personally have to go to Helen Waite, or can you send a representative?
 
JC


--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote:

From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Location for TCR
To: 
Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 2:41 PM
Helen Waite is head of TCR Complaints Department.

She will forward complaints to Allan as necessary.


Don's iPhone.

On Aug 9, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote:

 Well a week has passed since I offered to let someone come up with a better 
location.  As expected, no one did.
 
 Did anyone even try?  I doubt it.
 
 Over the past week, I thought about why I even bother organizing TCR if a 
 very 
vocal minority will do nothing but complain.  Is it really worth it?  I think 
it 
is, that is why I do it.
 
 I've noticed that those who complain the most are the ones who actually do 
little or nothing to make TCR happen.  Yet their vocal complaining is an 
irritation that I frankly don't need.  It is also an irritation to others. 
Coming to TCR is your personal choice.  If you choose not to come, fine, you 
miss the fun.
 
 TCR is put together by a very dedicated group of volunteers who spend more 
hours than they care to count getting everything ready, running, and breaking 
down TCR.  Trust me, we don't do all this work to make ourselves heroes, we 
do 
it so that other can come out and have fun.  Other than a few key volunteers, 
no 
one ever really sees all the people who work to make TCR happen. I want to 
thank 
all these people who put their time and effort into TCR. Thank you 
volunteers, 
thank you very much
 
 If people still want to complain about the location, go ahead, it really 
 isn't 
too late to cancel TCR.
 
 Allan
 - Original Message - From: Allan Cobb
 To: 'TexasCavers'
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:58 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Location for TCR
 
 
 Since so many people have complained about my choice for the location of 
 TCR, I 
am will to make a deal.  Anyone who wants to can find a better site. For one 
week only, I am willing to change the location if a better site can be found. 
 
Here is your chance to make a difference.  Channel all your energy that has 
been 
used for complaining into finding a site.  Send me informaion on location, 
description, cost, and availability.  Now get out there and get to looking!
 
 Allan 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!

[mark gee]

I hope the weather and beer is cool, not to noisey, four-wheeiers, and some 
water in the creek to enjoy. I know that all my friends will be there. Look 
foward to a good time for all. Not as much of a drive will be nice to. Thank 
you 
for finding a place for us to enjoy.
Happy Caving !!
Mark




From: Sheryl Rieck shri...@cableone.net
To: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 6:28:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!


I just find this exceedingly rude and disrespectful to a person who works very 
hard to put TCR together. I took the time before shooting off my mouth to look 
the entire site over and see what was there that I could enjoy instead of 
immediately bitching because I don’t ride a dirt bike or enjoy off-road 
activities. Besides, I attend TCR for the camaraderie of seeing friends and 
acquaintances I don’t get to see as often as I would like. Enjoy your birthday.
 
Sheryl
 
From:germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:02 PM
To: fr...@frankbinney.com; a...@oztotl.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
 
 
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
 
 
  
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
 
 
  
ORV-focused tour of the park video and photo album.
 
 
  
I'm a caver who REALLY doesn't care about motorized off-road vehicles and who 
seriously doesn't want to spend a weekend listening to them roar through the 
park.

At least Inks Lake and Longhorn Caverns are within a few miles of this 
miserable 
TCR site.

Julia, who will likely skip this TCR and spend my birthday somewhere fun
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com
To: Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com; Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!
 This year TCR will be on the 3100 acre Hidden Falls Adventure Park
 
 
  
 (www.hiddenfallsadventurepark.com) on the weekend of October 15-17.
 
 
  
Jeeze, big difference between this arid off-road-vehicle park and the lush,
 
 
  
verdant river banks and cool, clear waters of Paradise Canyon!
 
 
  
I was hoping to convince my girlfriend to fly back with me for this year's
 
 
  
TCR but I don't dare send her the link to the Hidden Falls website.
 
 
  
Non-cavers who aren't serious motorized off-road vehicle aficionados will
 
 
  
likely be scared off by the site's scrublands landscape and their
 
 
  
ORV-focused tour of the park video and photo album.
 
 
  
Frank (aficionado of shady swimming holes)
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
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Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!

[mark gee]

Is it OK to feed the Libras!





From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 8:03:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!

 
And I thought texascavers had quit working!
- Original Message - 
From: Allan Cobb 
To: Mallory Mayeux 
Cc: TexasCavers 
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2010 Texas Cavers Reunion!


- Original Message - 
 I'm excited to spend my birthday @ my first ever TCR! 
Well, my birthday is the week before TCR.  Perhaps we should proclaim TCR to 
also be a birthday party for all Libras!  That should balance things right up.


  

Re: [Texascavers] Spectacular Spanish cave has most extensive collection of helictites ever found

[mark gee]

Its a nice cave but its not Sonora, they will have to come to Texas. I wont 
brag, I'll let them decide for themselves. See Caverns of Sonora!
Happy Caving!!





From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net
To: Cave Diggers cavedigg...@yahoogroups.com; texascavers list 
texascavers@texascavers.com; nmcaver list nmca...@caver.net
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 11:29:13 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Spectacular Spanish cave has most extensive collection 
of 
helictites ever found

Have they not heard of Caverns of Sonora?  :-)

See this story at:

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/07/06/f-el-soplao-cave-spain.html

Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] caving trip report, Mammoth Cave, KY

[mark gee]

Way to go Bill and Diana, I hope they carried them all the way back to there 
trucks.





From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 1:39:29 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] caving trip report, Mammoth Cave, KY

Trip Report, Fourth of July Cave Research Foundation Expedition, Mammoth Cave, 
KY


Bill Steele and I went caving in Mammoth Cave over the July 4th long weekend 
and 
had a wonderful time helping to extend the known length of the world’s longest 
cave. The Cave Research Foundation runs a 10-day Expedition in July that starts 
with the weekend of the Fourth and runs through to the following weekend--we 
were there for the first 3 days.

On our first day we spent 12 hours underground with Park Biologist Rick Olson. 
The highlight of that trip for me was to be able to announce new world record 
with each stretch of the tape, and to tell Rick after the trip, this is the 
dirtiest I've ever been after caving in Mammoth.

On our second day we hauled five sections of a deer stand ladder to the 
Bedquilt 
Entrance with Dave West to check out a high lead in a dome near the entrance. 
We 
decided he needed more vertical gear for a safe exploration of the lead, but 
then got a tour of the Pirate's Maze and experienced a Bedquilt Moment 
(sort 
of like a 'senior moment') when we realized we'd entered the same room via 
three 
different routes. Dave decided at that point that we should do a resurvey of 
the 
entrance sink.

On our third day we spent another 12 hours on a trip with John DeLong, walking 
through borehole passage: Pohl Avenue, Turner Avenue and Mather Avenue, to 
bring 
a weather forecast (no rain predicted) to a group of 5 cavers from Missouri and 
Arkansas that were camping for 5 days in the cave. Their objective was to 
survey 
in Candlelight River, but the water in the cave is higher than normal due to 
the 
May regional flooding, and they weren't prepared to be so wet and cold for so 
many hours. They were all in camp waiting for us to arrive, and had decided we 
should all survey that day in dry passage. John, Bill and I spent the day 
crawling through mazy, tight passages, and on our way out of the cave we 
stopped 
and talked with the cave campers, and discovered they were surveying in mazy 
walking passages! They had left their packs in the main passage, and on the way 
out of the cave John and I stopped to slip some small, flat rocks into two of 
the packs that were just begging to be rocked.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B    
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.    
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)


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Re: [Texascavers] Colorado Bend State Park

[mark gee]

I guess I didnt want to invite everyone, but Im not keeping score. We do want 
to work on maps and data and lay back. If you have a project cave and want to 
finish a survry, for it you must go.





From: rafal kedzierski rafal...@hotmail.com
To: Mark Gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 2:55:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Colorado Bend State Park

Wow, you did invite everyone...  I'm planning on telling people that will 
analyze survey data and make a sketch of some short cave - that way we get 
credit for doing something and people learn how to convert survey data into a 
map.
 
Pick a cave data you have for that, and I will show you all how to convert data 
to true horizontal and vertical measurement.  You can then lead a sketch lesson.
 
Rafal
 

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 04:42:39 -0700
From: markageetxca...@yahoo.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Colorado Bend State Park


  
We are going to have a trip to the park and stay at the Conference Center 
August 13 thru the 15. The camping will be much cooler and we can sit at the 
tables and share  our tall tales of the caves we find, explore, and discover. 
After you enter the park, the first turn to the left is a white chalk road that 
leads through a gate. You can get the gate combo from me at 
markageetxca...@yahoo.com  . We have plenty of time to get ready. We have 
plenty of caves to explore and survey and maybe we can get down to 5000  feet. 
Probably only in our dreams but we keep looking. Let Rafal or me know if you 
want to come out. We might be kept out of the major bat caves in the park and 
you will want to decontaminate your gear if you have used it anywhere but CBSP. 
A mild bleach solution can be sprayed on your gear to clean it. We dont want to 
bring sny spore's of the WNS into the caves here. 
Happy Caving!! 


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[Texascavers] Colorado Bend State Park

[mark gee]

We are going to have a trip to the park and stay at the Conference Center 
August 13 thru the 15. The camping will be much cooler and we can sit at the 
tables and share  our tall tales of the caves we find, explore, and discover. 
After you enter the park, the first turn to the left is a white chalk road that 
leads through a gate. You can get the gate combo from me at 
markageetxca...@yahoo.com  . We have plenty of time to get ready. We have 
plenty of caves to explore and survey and maybe we can get down to 5000  feet. 
Probably only in our dreams but we keep looking. Let Rafal or me know if you 
want to come out. We might be kept out of the major bat caves in the park and 
you will want to decontaminate your gear if you have used it anywhere but CBSP. 
A mild bleach solution can be sprayed on your gear to clean it. We dont want to 
bring sny spore's of the WNS into the caves here. 
Happy Caving!!


  

Re: [Texascavers] LEDs for Locklear

[mark gee]

It could light up the Big Room At Carlsbad. The question is how long do the 
batteries last and how heavy is it? Cool light. 





From: tbsam...@verizon.net tbsam...@verizon.net
To: imoca...@comcast.net
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 3:36:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LEDs for Locklear

You could hardly use this like Q-beams are used to subdue a miscreant.

T

Book 'em, Dan-o!


Jun 12, 2010 02:39:24 PM, imoca...@comcast.net wrote:

Here ya go, David!


http://hacknmod.com/hack/massive-500-led-extreme-flashlight/


Alex


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Re: [Texascavers] carbide vs LED

[mark gee]

What you talked bout Willis!





From: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com
To: Texas Cavers List texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 2:50:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] carbide vs LED


Seriously!?

On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.com wrote:


਀㰀䠀吀䴀䰀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䠀䔀䄀䐀㸀 ਀㰀䴀䔀吀䄀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀㴀∀䴀匀䠀吀䴀䰀 㘀⸀　　⸀㘀　　㈀⸀㄀㠀㈀㔀㔀∀ 
渀愀洀攀㴀䜀䔀一䔀刀䄀吀伀刀㸀㰀⼀䠀䔀䄀䐀㸀 ਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀㰀䄀 栀爀攀昀㴀∀洀愀椀氀琀漀㨀䴀愀爀欀⸀䄀氀洀愀渀䀀氀ⴀ㌀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀∀㸀䴀愀爀欀⸀䄀氀洀愀渀㰀⼀䄀㸀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
਀  㰀䐀䤀嘀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䘀伀一吀 昀愀挀攀㴀䄀爀椀愀氀 挀漀氀漀爀㴀⌀　　 猀椀稀攀㴀㈀㸀㰀⼀䘀伀一吀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
Wow, after reading all of these ਀  渀攀愀爀ⴀ搀攀愀琀栀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀猀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 戀礀 漀爀 愀爀漀甀渀搀 
挀愀爀戀椀搀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 洀攀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 眀栀礀  anyone would consider not switching to 100% 
LED use!਀  㰀䐀䤀嘀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䘀伀一吀 昀愀挀攀㴀䄀爀椀愀氀 猀椀稀攀㴀㈀㸀㰀⼀䘀伀一吀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
 ਀  㰀䐀䤀嘀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䘀伀一吀 昀愀挀攀㴀䄀爀椀愀氀 猀椀稀攀㴀㈀㸀䴀愀爀欀㰀⼀䘀伀一吀㸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
 ਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 焀甀椀戀戀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 渀漀琀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀 
椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀猀  or whether say the propane leak might have been a cause?  An 
accident is ਀眀栀愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 椀洀洀甀琀愀戀氀攀 氀愀眀猀 漀昀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀猀 愀爀攀 椀最渀漀爀攀搀⸀ ⴀ 
䄀洀戀爀漀猀攀  Bierce਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
But what about all the deaths carbide has prevented?  I can think of a ਀昀攀眀 
琀爀椀瀀猀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 氀愀洀瀀猀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀椀最栀  
CO2/low O2.  More than once I have rappelled into bad air and knew almost 
਀椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 漀昀 洀礀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 氀愀洀瀀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 吀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 琀椀洀攀 
眀愀猀  less than a year ago.  No LED light will tell you that.  For those of 
਀礀漀甀 眀栀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀眀 伀㈀ 椀渀 挀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 栀椀最栀氀礀  
stratified in caves.  I have had my head
 in 15% 02 while at my feet it was ਀㤀─ ⠀䤀 栀愀搀 愀 洀攀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀 
搀愀礀⤀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀伀匀䠀䄀 昀漀爀戀椀搀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 椀渀 愀琀洀漀猀瀀栀攀爀攀猀  below 18% O2, if memory 
serves.  At 9%, one passes out very quickly.  ਀䤀洀愀最椀渀攀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 爀愀瀀瀀攀氀氀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀 
愀 猀琀爀愀琀椀昀椀攀搀 愀琀洀漀猀瀀栀攀爀攀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀  one.  How slowly are you rapelling and 
how are you going to notice the ਀挀栀愀渀最攀猀 椀渀 愀椀爀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀㼀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䌀栀愀渀最椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 椀渀 
戀愀搀 愀椀爀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 椀渀 洀礀  experience even if the air quality is 
significantly better than 9% O2; low O2
 ਀洀愀欀攀猀 漀渀攀 猀琀甀瀀椀搀 ⠀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀椀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 氀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀⤀⸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀䌀愀瀀 氀愀洀瀀猀 洀愀爀欀 猀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 眀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀洀漀瘀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 戀攀渀椀最渀 洀愀爀欀猀 愀渀搀 
 will mark on relatively wet surfaces.਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
A cap lamp can be made completely nonmagnetic, is easily removable so that 
਀漀渀攀 挀愀渀 爀攀愀搀 椀渀猀琀爀甀洀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 礀攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 琀漀 
戀爀椀渀最  into the cave.਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
They work and are durable.  I have used a cap lamp since I started ਀挀愀瘀椀渀最 椀渀 
㄀㤀㜀㄀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀爀椀攀搀 攀氀攀挀琀爀椀挀猀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 琀椀洀攀  and 
currently own an Apex.  I still have yet to find one I trust to ਀氀愀猀琀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 
䴀礀 䄀瀀攀砀 氀攀愀欀猀 椀昀 䤀 瀀甀琀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀甀渀搀攀爀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀漀漀渀攀爀 漀爀 氀愀琀攀爀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀  corrode 
and quit working from that or some other reason that I will fail to 
਀甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀爀漀瀀瀀攀搀 愀 挀愀瀀 氀愀洀瀀 搀漀眀渀 愀 㤀　 昀漀漀琀 瀀椀琀㬀 椀琀 栀愀搀 愀 
洀椀渀漀爀  ding and I was able to continue
 using it for many more years and still have it ਀椀渀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀爀搀攀爀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 吀栀攀 
䄀甀琀漀氀椀琀攀 䤀 愀洀 甀猀椀渀最 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 㔀　 礀攀愀爀猀  old.  With very low tech 
maintenance, there is nothing that will go wrong ਀眀椀琀栀 椀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 昀椀砀 
眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀漀漀氀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀瘀攀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䄀渀搀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀  go another 50 years with 
a reasonable amount of care (which is more than I can ਀猀愀礀 昀漀爀 洀攀⤀⸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀䐀漀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 氀椀最栀琀猀 椀渀 甀猀攀 琀漀搀愀礀 眀椀氀氀 猀琀椀氀氀  
useable in 20 years?  How many times have you been on a trip where an 
਀攀氀攀挀琀爀椀挀 氀椀最栀琀 栀愀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 昀愀椀氀攀搀㼀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 椀琀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 
匀漀  far, I have not seen a Stenlight fail, but I have seen several Apex fail 
and ਀栀椀最栀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 倀攀琀稀攀氀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䈀甀琀 匀琀攀渀氀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 瘀攀爀礀 戀爀椀最栀琀 
愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀  very magnetic and pretty expensive.  ਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
Carbides are still not very good for diving I will grant, but with a little 
਀欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 猀琀愀渀搀 甀瀀 琀漀 氀漀渀最ⴀ琀攀爀洀 椀洀洀攀爀猀椀漀渀 焀甀椀琀攀 眀攀氀氀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 愀氀猀漀 
 grant they have real drawbacks on multi-day in cave camps.  And there ਀椀猀 愀 
氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 挀甀爀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 戀椀琀 洀甀挀栀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀 
਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀 渀攀眀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 氀愀洀瀀猀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 
搀漀  think that a durable enough LED light for a reasonable price is ਀渀漀琀 昀愀爀 
漀昀昀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䈀甀琀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀愀氀  advantages in having some of us 
around (OK, so I am not around you in ਀瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀⤀ 眀栀漀 猀琀椀氀氀 欀渀漀眀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀 
漀氀搀 琀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最椀攀猀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䄀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀  don't bring CO2 meters
 caving.਀㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀㰀䈀刀㸀倀栀椀氀椀瀀 䰀⸀ 䴀漀猀猀㰀䈀刀㸀瀀栀椀氀椀瀀洀漀猀猀䀀樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㰀䈀刀㸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀㰀⼀䈀伀䐀夀㸀㰀⼀䠀吀䴀䰀㸀
 
ਊ戼㹲戼㹲昼湯⁴䥓䕚∽∲挠汯牯∽〣〰〰∰弾彟㱟是湯㹴戼㹲愼猠祴敬∽䕔员䐭䍅剏呁佉㩎渠湯≥栠敲㵦栢瑴㩰⼯桴物灤牡祴景敦獲樮湵⹯潣⽭䝔㍌㐱⼲挴㈱㉢㠱〳愸㤱㜸搳ね瘱捵•慴杲瑥弽汢湡㹫昼湯⁴慦散∽牁慩≬㰾潦瑮挠汯牯∽〣㐰㠰∰猠穩㵥㌢㸢戼倾湥祮匠潴正䨠浵楰杮㈠〰┰⼼㹢⼼潦瑮㰾牢㰾潦瑮挠汯牯∽〣〰〰∰猠穩㵥㈢㸢楓湧甠⁰潴琠敨⌠‱潶整⁤数湮⁹瑳捯敮獷敬瑴牥映牯映敲⁥潴慤ⅹ戼㹲⼼㹡愼猠祴敬∽佃佌㩒⌠〰〰〰•牨晥∽瑨灴⼺琯楨摲慰瑲潹晦牥⹳番潮挮浯启䱇ㄳ㈴㐯ㅣ戲ㄲ㌸㠰ㅡ㠹㌷浤㄰當≣琠牡敧㵴扟慬歮䄾敷潳敭敐湮卹潴正⹳潣㱭愯㰾是湯㹴⼼潦瑮


  

[Texascavers] WNS in Texas

[mark gee]

2 cents: 
I guess this means that our Colorado Bend project might have to be posponed 
until this WNS is over. The Texas Parks and Wildlife  memo said that caves with 
bats would be closed to entry. Alot of the caves at CBSP dont have bats and the 
caves we are surveying, it is not always known weather they have bats or not. 
Some caves have been explored and mapped and bats not seen. Will we be able to 
visit these caves? I hope that we will still be able to visit those but on the 
side of caution, these too may be closed. This is a serious situation. We must 
all do our part to try to contain this WNS. I hope that our warmer caves here 
might isolate our Texas caves from the WNS. I would like to here what the rest 
of you think and hear some of your comments. 
Mark G
Happy Caving!


  

[Texascavers] Fw: WNS in Texas

[mark gee]

- Forwarded Message 
From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; memb...@maverickgrotto.org; Jim Kennedy 
jkenn...@batcon.org
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:54:02 AM
Subject: WNS in Texas


  
2 cents: 
I guess this means that our Colorado Bend project might have to be posponed 
until this WNS is over. The Texas Parks and Wildlife  memo said that caves with 
bats would be closed to entry. Alot of the caves at CBSP dont have bats and the 
caves we are surveying, it is not always known weather they have bats or not. 
Some caves have been explored and mapped and bats not seen. Will we be able to 
visit these caves? I hope that we will still be able to visit those but on the 
side of caution, these too may be closed. This is a serious situation. We must 
all do our part to try to contain this WNS. I hope that our warmer caves here 
might isolate our Texas caves from the WNS. I would like to here what the rest 
of you think and hear some of your comments. 
Mark G
Happy Caving! 



  

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: WNS in Texas

[mark gee]

From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 8:05:05 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: WNS in Texas


I underlined the new wording



- Forwarded Message 
From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; memb...@maverickgrotto.org; Jim Kennedy 
jkenn...@batcon.org
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:54:02 AM
Subject: WNS in Texas


  
2 cents: 
I guess this means that our Colorado Bend project might have to be posponed 
until this WNS is over. The Texas Parks and Wildlife  memo said that caves with 
bats would have highly restricted entry . Alot of the caves at CBSP dont have 
bats and the caves we are surveying, it is not always known weather they have 
bats or not. Some caves have been explored and mapped and bats not seen. Will 
we be able to visit these caves? I hope that we will still be able to visit 
those but on the side of caution, these too may be closed. This is a serious 
situation. We must all do our part to try to contain this WNS. I hope that our 
warmer caves here might isolate our Texas caves from the WNS. I would like to 
here what the rest of you think and hear some of your comments. 
Mark G
Happy Caving! 


  

[Texascavers] Need to make contact

[mark gee]

I need Steve Webb to cxontact me or can someone give me his email address or 
his phone number.


  

Re: [Texascavers] Need to make contact

[mark gee]

Thanks Charles, I got him.





From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 8:00:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Need to make contact


Obviously he doesn't check email as often as you do, believe it or not.

His cell is 214-912-8023




On May 29, 2010, at 6:51 AM, mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote:


  
I need Steve Webb to cxontact me or can someone give me his email address or 
his phone number.   --static--liam_party_bottomright.jpg  



  

Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson

[mark gee]

Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me 
at 972-955-3348.
Mark G





From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com
To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson


 
Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address?
 
We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent 
address.
 
 
 
Thanks!
 
Mark


  

Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson

[mark gee]

Steve Webb, contact me off list or call at 972 955 3348





From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson


Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me 
at 972-955-3348.
Mark G





From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com
To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson


 
Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address?
 
We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent 
address.
 
 
 
Thanks!
 
Mark


  

Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Paging Michael Sisson

[mark gee]

Thanks Charles





From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: DFW Grotto dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:08:28 PM
Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Paging Michael Sisson

Mark, btw, you sent that out to cavetex, and while Steve is a member there, he 
may see it faster via our Grotto mailing list, emails to it go to 
dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org 

Charles


-- Forwarded message --
From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson
To: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com, mark.al...@l-3com.com, Cave Tex 
texascavers@texascavers.com



Steve Webb, contact me off list or call at 972 955 3348





From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson



Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me 
at 972-955-3348.
Mark G





From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com
To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson


 
Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address?
 
We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent 
address.
 
 
 
Thanks!
 
Mark


  

RE: [Texascavers] airborne rabies case ?

[mark gee]

I must have rabies, Oh-No!

--- On Fri, 2/26/10, mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] airborne rabies case ?
To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com, Cavers Texas 
texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 7:07 AM


I have three out of four of these symptoms on a regular basis!


Mark A.




-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] airborne rabies case ?


Symptoms like the flu, but also :

1.   sensitivity to light ( photophobic )
2.   confusion
3.   memory problems
4.   coordination problems

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Re: [Texascavers] Lemons Ranch Cave

[mark gee]

My oversight. You are right, you both did the hard part and completed the 
survey. Bad air yes, but it probably was much worse before we blew good air 
into the pit for an hour.

--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Andy Zenker rockhugg...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Andy Zenker rockhugg...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Lemons Ranch Cave
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 10:39 AM


Actually, Matt Zaldivar and I surveyed the final depth of Lemon's Ranch.  Mark 
and Rafal recorded the data.  It was bad air, very muddy and a ton of fun!

Andy Zenker


On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote:




We were able to complete the survey by running 225 ft of 6 air duct down into 
the cave to blow out the high concentrations of CO 2.
 
Ye Gads..hard core.
 
I have been down in one of those TX bad air pits and I back out quickly.
 
Preston in western KY
 





- Original Message - 
From: mark gee 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: markageetxca...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Lemons Ranch Cave






Just wanted to make you cavers aware that a new map of Lemons Ranch is now 
finished and it will be at the TSA salone for viewing. The survey is complete 
now and the survey footage totals 949 ft. with a depth of 104 ft. This is the 
third deepest cave at the park I am told.  My thanks go to those who helped 
with the survey. They are : Will Harris, Ronnie Harrison, Rafal Kedzierski, Ed 
Spaulding, Scott Boyd, Bonnie Longley, Justin Menking, Kurt Menking, Kathleen 
O-Connor, Mark Sanders, and Jessica Stevenson. There are two dig leads at both 
ends of the cave but both are grim. Both are in bad air. We were able to 
complete the survey by running 225 ft of 6 air duct down into the cave to blow 
out the high concentrations of CO 2. We plan to survey other bad air caves as 
long as bats are not present in the caves. 
Happy Caving ! 




  

Re: [Texascavers] New caver! Dave Cave McClung's IS a daddy-OT

[mark gee]

Congratulations to mom and dad. A little Dave, on the she side, she will have 
mud in her blood right Dave.

--- On Sun, 2/14/10, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Texascavers] New caver! Dave Cave McClung's IS a daddy-OT
To: TEXAS CAVERS texascavers@texascavers.com, Jay Jorden 
jjor...@texoma.net
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 4:24 PM






I just received a pic on my cell phone.  It's a girl and her name is Hope.  
Congratulations to Dave and the momma!  Anyone got a 0-3 mo harness?

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Sun, 2/14/10, Jay Jorden jjor...@texoma.net wrote:


From: Jay Jorden jjor...@texoma.net
Subject: [Texascavers] New caver? Dave Cave McClung's gonna be a daddy-OT
To: TEXAS CAVERS texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 12:59 PM


Yes, the New Orleans Saints have won their first Super Bowl. It snowed this 
week in Louisiana. And Dave Cave and Kimberly have a baby girl on the way for 
Valentine's Day!

It's all happening today at St. Francis Medical Center in Monroe, La. 

More soon ... 



  

[Texascavers] Lemons Ranch Cave

[mark gee]

Just wanted to make you cavers aware that a new map of Lemons Ranch is now 
finished and it will be at the TSA salone for viewing. The survey is complete 
now and the survey footage totals 949 ft. with a depth of 104 ft. This is the 
third deepest cave at the park I am told.  My thanks go to those who helped 
with the survey. They are : Will Harris, Ronnie Harrison, Rafal Kedzierski, Ed 
Spaulding, Scott Boyd, Bonnie Longley, Justin Menking, Kurt Menking, Kathleen 
O-Connor, Mark Sanders, and Jessica Stevenson. There are two dig leads at both 
ends of the cave but both are grim. Both are in bad air. We were able to 
complete the survey by running 225 ft of 6 air duct down into the cave to blow 
out the high concentrations of CO 2. We plan to survey other bad air caves as 
long as bats are not present in the caves. 
Happy Caving ! 


  

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Winter Business Meeting Agenda - Sunday, January 10th, 2010.

[mark gee]

Go where no man has gone before. More details later. 
Happy Caving !

--- On Sun, 12/27/09, Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Winter Business Meeting Agenda - Sunday, January 
10th, 2010.
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 9:59 AM






All,



 
 
I just wanted to post the Agenda for the TSA Winter Business Meeting to be held 
Sunday, January 10th at 9 AM at the Conference Center at Colorado Bend State 
Park.
 
 
All registered TSA members are welcome! If you'd like to join the TSA, I can't 
think of a better time to do so.
 
 
This is a CBSP Project weekend, so come on down and cave and help out Saturday 
and enjoy some camarderie Saturday evening!
 
 
Please feel free to comment, make suggestions, additions, subtractions, 
retractions, or anything else you feel needs to be discussed.
 
 
 
 
Agenda
 


Welcome and Introductions 
 

Chairman’s Report 
 

Vice Chairman’s Report 
 

Secretary’s Report 
 


Minutes of TSA Fall Business Meeting at TCR.
 

Treasurers Report 
 

Standing Committee Reports 
 


TSA Projects – Jim Kennedy 

Current Projects 
Future Project Ideas 
TSA Website – Butch Fralia 
Membership Chair – Denise Prendergast 
Conservation Committee – Lyndon Tiu 
Safety and Techniques – David Ochel 
Publications – Mark Alman 

The TEXAS CAVER 
TSA Store – Lee Jay Graves
 

Old Business 

WNS Update - Jim Kennedy 
TSS/TSA/TCMA Trailer Committee report - Rob Bissett
 

New Business 

Two Tiered Membership (Digital newsletter and hard copy membership)? 
Dues 
Open up the TEXAS CAVER  to free access after one year of publish date? 
TSA Convention in March 
New TSA Projects 
Anything else? 
 

Announcements 
 



 

End of Meeting (Let’s go home!)
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks and we'll see y'all at CBSP!
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
 



  

Re: [Texascavers] Rise of Wind Turbines Is a Boon for Rope Workers - NYTimes.com

[mark gee]

Thanks Joe
Happy Caving!

--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Joe Ranzau jran...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Joe Ranzau jran...@gmail.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Rise of Wind Turbines Is a Boon for Rope Workers - 
NYTimes.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 11:05 PM


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/25/business/25climb.html?hp




Joe

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Re: [Texascavers] Happy Birthday George-Paul!

[mark gee]

Happy Birthday  Merry Christmas. Hope to see you at CBSP this Jan.
Mark Gee
Happy Caving!

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:


From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca
Subject: [Texascavers] Happy Birthday George-Paul!
To: TSA Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 5:54 PM



Happy Birthday George-Paul!

-- Lyndon Tiu

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

[mark gee]

Its two Dollars

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net, Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM






For you, Lyndon, it's $20!   8^)
 
 
Mark





From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

$1


On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:


I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP), one 
has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?

Is this still being collected?

-- 
Lyndon Tiu

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RE: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

[mark gee]

For you just one bill with a 5 in each corner.

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:


From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:09 PM








Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-)
 

From: mark gee [mailto:markageetxca...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
 




Its two Dollars

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com wrote:



From: Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net, Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM



For you, Lyndon, it's $20!   8^)

 

 

Mark

 




From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

$1

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:



I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP), one 
has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?

Is this still being collected?

-- 
Lyndon Tiu

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

[mark gee]

You can send me your Trade Dollar coins and I can exchange them for cash money.
Two at a time please.
Happy Caving!

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote:


From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com
Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:24 PM


You can use dollar coins if you wish.
--Ediger


On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:




Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-)
 

From: mark gee [mailto:markageetxca...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM
To: Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question


 




Its two Dollars

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com wrote:



From: Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question
To: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net, Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM



For you, Lyndon, it's $20!   8^)

 

 

Mark

 




From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 6:48:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

$1

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote:



I seem to remember that every time one attends a TSA work trip (e.g. CBSP), one 
has to pay ... was it $5 or $10 per person per work trip/weekend ?

Is this still being collected?

-- 
Lyndon Tiu

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: Digital

[mark gee]

I want the quality copy for my Library. I have a collection going back into the 
60 tys.

--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:


From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Digital
To: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org
Cc: Pete Lindsley caverp...@gmail.com, TexasCavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 3:00 PM


I'm ok with you wanting a high quality print Jim, and most people are.
But why should the majority of the TSA membership pay for a few
people that want the high quality?

If the majority of the whole membership wants to continue paying, I'm
ok with it, but it always seems that the people who want the hardcopy
is in the minority.

My opinion, we put a monetary value with it, if you want a printed
hard copy, mailed to you, you get to pay extra :)  That would help
cover the rising costs of printing and mailing it, and would push more
people to use  the digital copy.

I know a lot of people are against this, no one wants to spend more
money, but lets be realistic for a bit and humor me.

Prices are going to continue to go up on postage and printing costs.
TSA is in the black right now, largely due to the few who went
Digital.  As overhead continues to go up, do we adjust membership
fees?

My vote, drop mailing copies (cept to those who want to pay a
surcharge for it) and go Digital completely.  This would save TSA a
lot of money, save Mark's sanity, and free up a lot of TSA money for
other things.

You could even drop rates for TSA membership if you wanted.

Charles

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org wrote:
 We have already.  It was decided to offer both.  Libraries in particular
 (including the TSS) don't like digital publications.  And bibliophiles
 like myself and Mixon definitely prefer old-fashioned hard copy, and I
 don't mean cheap, single-sided inkjet copies that fade over time and
 bleed if they get damp.

 -- Jim

 -Original Message-
 From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:51 PM
 To: Pete Lindsley
 Cc: TexasCavers; Stefan Creaser
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the
 TSA and Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG

 You know, we can easily put this to a vote at the next meeting.



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RE: [Texascavers] Fw: EMERGENCY and bird list serve

[mark gee]

Hope no body else sends any money to this guy

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote:


From: Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: EMERGENCY and bird list serve
To: John Greer jgr...@greerservices.com, Texas Cavers 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 8:07 AM








Evidently this very same scam ran through the bird watchers list sever this 
weekend too.
The person “in need” never left Texas either.
 
 

Jon Cradit
 
 
 


From: John Greer [mailto:jgr...@greerservices.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:48 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: EMERGENCY
 

Here we go again. This scam has been around for a while, going to various 
lists, from various persons. I assume somebody hacks into master distribution 
lists. 

John Greer

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: mark gee 

To: markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:24 PM

Subject: EMERGENCY

 




Hope you get this on time ? Sorry I didn't inform you about my trip to the 
United Kingdom, I'm presently in Scotland and am having some difficulties 
here.I misplaced my bag on my way to the hotel where other valuable things were 
kept including my passport. I will like you to assist me with a loan of $1,750 
to sort-out my hotel bills and to get myself back home. I will appreciate 
whatever you can afford to assist me with and I promise to Refund the money as 
soon as i return.let me know if you can be of any assistance.
Please reply me A.S.A.P.
Regards,
 
Gee
 


  

Re: [Texascavers] Amish Texas Cavers

[mark gee]

I wore a hat , that made me Amish???





From: Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com
To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:03:42 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Amish Texas Cavers

My elderly parents in Missouri scheduled a family showing of Joe Datri's
Texas Cavers movie last night. Everyone loved the film but my mom expressed
surprise at how many Amish cavers there are in Texas.
Wonder where she got that ideaGill? Crash?



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Re: [Texascavers] Evelynn Joe Mitchell - The baby is here

[mark gee]

When did all this happen. I didn't know she was expecting. Congratulations Joe 
and Evelynn





From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
To: robert.c.b1...@gmail.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:05:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Evelynn  Joe Mitchell - The baby is here


Congrats to all, and a,big Texas welcome to the state's newest caver!


-Original Message-
From: Robert B robert.c.b1...@gmail.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Evelynn  Joe Mitchell - The baby is here


From Facebook

Evelynn has delivered a beautiful baby girl at 8:10 this evening

It appears as if Mom, Baby and Dad are all doing fine.


  

Re: [Texascavers] Weighting down Bill Steele's pack

[mark gee]

I remember that, way to go Edwin. 
Bill can you feel the love?





From: Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com
To: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; Texas Cavers 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:31:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Weighting down Bill Steele's pack

Hif the Terminal Siphons didn't already have prior use of the term,
I'd say these stories fall under the category of Cavers Rocking Cavers.
Ka-thump!
Frank


On 7/31/09 1:09 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
wrote:

 OK, so I'll add a story that's similar to Andy's...awhile back we had
 a DFW grotto trip into a water cave and Bill supplied a number of
 people with his famous red Whisk laundry detergent bottles as floats.
 The older cavers out there (that includes me) will remember those old
 laundry detergent bottles, they were approximately 4 thick and 8
 wide and about 12 tall--just perfect to slide into your pack, and a
 carabiner will fit on the handle. About halfway into the trip we found
 a muddy side passage and Bill led a few cavers down the passage, but
 he left his pack behind. Edwin Lehr had finally found an opportunity
 to rock Bill's pack, but alas, there were no rocks to be found. So he
 decided to fill Bill's Whisk bottle with water, which really caused
 the whole pack to want to sink to the bottom of the passage. Bill
 would have spent the whole rest of the trip trying to figure out why
 his pack wouldn't float, but Edwin was new to the ways of rocking and
 he was so pleased with himself that 5 minutes after Bill started back
 upstream, Edwin asked him why his pack wasn't floating. That was
 enough to tip Bill off to the fact that Edwin was messing with him,
 and even Bill admitted that he wouldn't have realized the nature of
 the problem until he had left the cave if Edwin had just stayed quiet.
 
 Ask Bill sometime about how much his children like to rock him,
 
 Diana
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 Diana R. Tomchick
 Associate Professor
 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
 Department of Biochemistry
 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
 Rm. ND10.214B 
 Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. 
 Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
 214-645-6383 (phone)
 214-645-6353 (fax)
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Steele: hero or human tugboat?

[mark gee]

I luv it!





From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:22:31 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Bill Steele: hero or human tugboat?


This may not count as rocking per se:
  I was on a trip with Bill Steele and others upstream from the natural 
entrance in Honey Creek.  He had a lanyard attached to his boogie board and the 
end trailed behind him a few feet, just enough for me to grab ahold and catch a 
free ride.  He would fuss with his board and gear at which point I would let go 
and swim a few strokes on my own just to keep up appearances.  He finally 
caught on to my parasitism but not before he towed me most of the way from 
Whistler's Mother to the QA series.  Sorry Bill, I guess I should watch my 
pack from now on...

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 


  

Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

[mark gee]

Bill, I found a rock with your name on it! I still owe you a rock or three.





From: Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com
To: speleoste...@tx.rr.com
Cc: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com; fr...@frankbinney.com; germa...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 4:33:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

I believe it!  You can TRUST the Man O' Steele at his word!

(Oh, and where did you want me to ship those lead bars to, Bill?)

-WaV


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:43 AM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:

Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my 
rockin' career was Frank Binney
last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't need 
to guard your packs. Don't
practice rock paranoia in other words.

Bill


 Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
 I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.

 I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr. 
 Steele.

 Charles

 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
  Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I 
  even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden 
  rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and 
  didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
 
  Bill
 
 
   mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most 
  people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , 
  why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
 
 
 
 
  
  From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
  To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; 
  fh...@townandcountryins.com
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
 
 
  He's not the only one who does this!  I've been a victim as well, but 
  since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
 
  julia
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
  To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney 
  fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com
  Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
  Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
 
 
  LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE 
  with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock 
  in your pack.
 
  Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not 
  trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
 
  --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com
 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
 To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney 
 fr...@frankbinney.com
 Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
 
 
 Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just 
 one of the fortunate recipients.
 Fritz
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
 To: Frank Binney
 Cc: Texas Cavers
 Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
 
 And how long have you known Bill?  Caved with him?
 
 Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
 
 Charles
 
 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com 
 wrote:
  On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
 
  So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
 
  Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
 
  1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
  Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
  and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
  inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
  Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
  We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
  brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
  rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
  tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
  down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
  light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
  in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
  new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
  Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
  entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
  have happened

Re: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla and a question

[mark gee]

Could it be Marvin Miller

 




From: Rick Corbell rlcorb...@hotmail.com
To: her...@cavechat.org; texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:14:06 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla and a question

Herman,
Truer words were never spoken.  Bill is an absolute treasure!!
 
 
Question
I have found in my A/V stuff from the convention a cable adapter with the name 
Miller written in Sharpie on the side.  Looks like this 
http://compnetusa.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=59_62products_id=137
 
Must be from a Dell laptop.   Is this yours?

Rick Corbell
 





  

Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:28:32 -0500
From: her...@cavechat.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla

Bill really has and still is a great asset to the world of caving... though my 
view may be a bit bias as I am reading Huatla in the middle of a thunderstorm 
at 2:00 in the morning.


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:48 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

Did anyone mention that Bill volunteered to write this book, and
doesn't make a penny
off of his hard work?     Now that is dedication !

He not only volunteered to take cavers to Honeycreek, and to lead the
Howdy Party.

Did I leave out anything ?

Imagine the ICS without all of that.


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Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

[mark gee]

I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most 
people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why 
dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted





From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories


He's not the only one who does this!  I've been a victim as well, but since I 
collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!

julia


-Original Message-
From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney 
fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com
Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories


LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with 
Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your 
pack.

Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth 
thine pack to the Man O Steele...

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:


From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney 
fr...@frankbinney.com
Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM


Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one 
of the fortunate recipients.
Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

And how long have you known Bill?  Caved with him?

Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.

Charles

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
 On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:

 So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?

 Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:

 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
 Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
 and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
 inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
 Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
 We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
 brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
 rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
 tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
 down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
 light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
 in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
 new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
 Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
 entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
 have happened to that pack.
 So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
 came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
 was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
 ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it.

 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
 friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
 I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
 book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
 book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
 campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
 graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
 and I attended the photo salon.
 Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
 Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
 remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
 weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
 The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
 made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
 apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
 wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
 criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
 Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
 transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
 quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
 in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful 

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!

[mark gee]

Yea, give me my paper copy too. Mark Gee  NSS #49625





From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:47:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!

Quoted from a caver:
 As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what
 does
 that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible?


Quoted from a caver:
 that if a
 member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are
 environmentally or fiscally irresponsible.


You can have either the hard copy and/or electronic or you can have both. You 
don't have to feel bad about anything.

So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give them the 
finger.


-- Lyndon Tiu

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Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver

[mark gee]

At this price, why do our dues go up. Explain Lucy!





From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:40:37 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver

I have gotten a quote from the printer I use for the Association for Mexican 
Cave Studies on an issue of the Texas Caver. For saddle-stitched in a cover 
printed both sides in full color and 24 inside bw pages (_four more_ than are 
in the most recent TC), the quote for quantity between 150 and 249 copies is 
$2.12 a copy plus $60 setup charges. The per-copy price changes by only about 5 
cents for more or fewer. Assuming 200 copies, the setup charge comes to 30 
cents a copy, for a printing cost of $2.42. Of course, this is in Kalamazoo, so 
you'd have to add maybe another $60 for shipping to Texas; I'll be generous and 
make it $2.75 in all.

Now add maybe 5 cents for a mailing envelope and 2 cents for a mailing label. I 
don't know what postage actually is, but I'll guess for non-profit bulk rate it 
is 40 cents a copy. This brings us up to a grand total of $3.22 for each copy 
of the Texas Caver mailed to a member. At four issues a year, we're talking 
$13. (You can do the arithmetic if there are more or fewer than 200 TSA 
members; it affects only the setup and shipping.)

I'd say whoever is publishing the Texas Caver at a cost of $26 per member per 
year needs to do a bit of printer-shopping. I won't blame anybody for not 
wanting to deal with a printer in Kalamazoo four times a year, but deals not 
too much worse must be available locally (remember you've got that shipping 
cost as a cushion).

I realize there are some free exchange copies mailed out that also cost the TSA 
something, and of course a small stock of additional copies for later sale (25, 
say) will be wanted, but still I think the TSA should be able to afford to send 
the Texas Caver to all its members under the present dues.

Whether older issue should be on the Web and under what restrictions are 
separate questions.
-- Bill Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!

[mark gee]

Land fund money could have kept membership fees down. O-well!





From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:07:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online

Mark, and the rest of the TSA board, a big THANK YOU!

This was long overdue, but a great step.

Charles

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM,  mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
 To all PAID TSA members,



 It was decided this past weekend at the Winter Business Meeting at CBSP that
 in order to forestall an increase in TSA member fees, due mainly to the cost
 of printing the TC, we would like to offer PAID members the option of
 accessing The TEXAS CAVER electronically.

 Since the bulk of the TSA budget involves printing the TC, the current $20
 membership fee is insufficient to cover the cost of printing and mailing the
 TC, calculated at $26 per member/copy.


 Do the math!


 We did not think this was the best use of membership monies and our cash
 reserves would soon be depleted at this rate.


 This where you come in.


 Through the technical wizardry of our webmaster extraordinaire, Butch
 Fralia, PAID TSA members can now sign themselves up to view the latest TC
 online, each and every time!

 But, that's not all!


 What else do I get by doing this and why should I bother?!


 Here's why:


 ·                    It will prevent a membership dues increase, hopefully,
 for quite a long time. In these tough economic times, who wants that?!

 ·                    This will free up a HUGE amount of TSA funds that can
 be better utilized on projects, other activities, equipment, and other more
                        worthwhile pursuits.

 ·                    You will have helped get the TSA Back in Black,
 hopefully, to stay.

 ·                    You will be able to view and download the latest TC in
 glorious FULL color, not just the cover in color in the mailed version.

 ·                    You will be able to view and download past issues of
 the TC in glorious FULL color, not just the cover in color mailed version.
 All of
                      the 2008 issues are already online and past issues
 that moi has been the Editor of will soon be added. Any back issues we can
 get our
                      grubby hands on will be added, as well!

 ·                    That tree-hugging part of you will rest peacefully in
 knowing that you have helped preserve many a conifer by opting for the
 electronic
                      version over the paper version.

 ·                    And no matter where you may roam, you will have access
 to the good ol' TC and the frustrated Editor and Secretary will not have to
                      deal with the dreaded Return To Sender/Addressee Not
 Found.


 Not to mention that it just makes good financial sense.


 All new registrations will be listed as pending, initially, while your
 membership is verified before you will have membership access.

 Butch has added Darla and Denise as administrators and they will verify that
 you are a Member in Good Standing and will check this periodically. You
 will be notified if your dues are about to expire and will be
 unceremoniously kicked off if your dues are not renewed.

 In other words, No TC for you! (Seinfeld reference).

 The member area is linked in from the main menu at www.cavetexas.org.  Be
 sure to buy one or five ICS Registration Raffle tickets, while you're there!

 If we could get just 50% participation in the electronic version program,
 one would be hard-pressed to find any red ink in next year's budget. The
 more the better, though.


 However, please do not share your password info with the unwashed TSA
 non-member!


 If they would like to receive the TC, encourage them to do the right and
 just thing by being a true American and joining the TSA!


 In closing, the Board and I implore, beseech, beg, encourage, and strongly
 suggest you sign up today!


 Put the word out to your Grotto and to other cavers!


 Help the TSA and help save a tree!



 Thanks,

 Mark Alman and the TSA Board


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[Texascavers] Re: [Allcavers] 2008 DFWG Holiday Party

[mark gee]

I am going to try to drive back frm Colorado Bend and make it to the party on 
time. 
If I dont show then it must have been to late.





From: John P. Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
To: Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.org; allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; 
Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com; Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:33:09 AM
Subject: [Allcavers] 2008 DFWG Holiday Party


Metroplex Cavers,

Its that time of year again.dig those white elelphant gifts out of the 
closetand plan on attending the DFWG Holiday Party.

The details:

December 13, 2008

7:30 pm until 1:00 am

6879 Avalon Avenue
Dallas, Texas 75214

214.320.0166

What to bring ?

BYOB.
Potluck food ( wouldn’t it be nice if everyone cooked their favorite holiday 
dish?)
Pictures of of your latest caving adventures ( we will have a slide projector 
and digital projector )
Tales of daring, heroic trips
and don’t forgetbring a white elephant gift to recycle through the 
grotto

THE RULES:


1. All white elephant gifts brought or received must be removed from 
the premises after the party. We will keep a list of who is naughty and 
nice 
2. Please do not park in the yard. 
3. Friends or relatives recently released from prison or mental 
hospitals are encouraged to attend the Bexar Grotto Holiday party. 
4. All Metroplex and Texas cavers are invited; however the formation of 
new Grottoes at the party is strictly prohibited. 
5. Please drink responsibly and designate a driver. 
6. Objects with large steel wheels should not be rolled around inside 
of the house.


  

Re: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

[mark gee]

Bill, I have the 74 Speleo Digest and many 
more.58,70,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,98,99,00,01,02,and
 03. Im reading the 1981 Digest right now. I too have used them to read about 
exploration into Dunbar Cave in Tennesse and other caves that I find 
interesting. They are a great resource for info.
Mark G





From: George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 12:12:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new Speleo Digest series editor

-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] 

Does anybody else who reads  
the Texas Cavers list own the 1974 Speleo Digest? -- Mixon
--

I have a complete set. I don't use them regularly, but over the years I've
found them handy to find information on areas and caves I was interested in
or planned to visit. They're a great resource.

George


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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Mexico #18 of 20

[mark gee]

That 16 hour drive tires me to. Get that sleep. What caves did you see, I'd 
like to here?
Mark G





From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:04:47 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Mexico #18 of 20


I just drove back from Xilitla, SLP, last night, after spending a week in 
Aquismon and Bustamante with 7 other Texas cavers.  Our biggest worry was where 
to find open places to eat after getting back late from mapping caves each 
night. It's a very safe place if you use common sense and don't make yourself 
into a target.  In fact, with the lack of deer, the highways are in some ways 
safer than our own.
 
-- Jim Crash Kennedy, still very tired


  

Re: [Texascavers] CBSP Project this weekend

[mark gee]

Jim, Rafal and I will be there and I hope to have enough to put three teams 
into Gorman Creek Crevice. There are three seperate passages to survey. Two 
start in the entrance room.
Mark G





From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org
To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:56:39 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] CBSP Project this weekend


This weekend the TSA Project at Colorado Bend State Park will resume, having 
taken last month off for TCR.  There is no need to reply to me, just showup at 
the Caver Camp at the Park no later than 9 am on Saturday.  For those of you 
who may not know, the Caver Camp can be reached by taking the first dirt road 
to the right IMMEDIATELY inside the Park entrance gate.  Follow it to the 
campfire circle, but camp anywhere off in the trees BEFORE you get to the 
campfire circle.  (If you see any tables or things left behind, please consider 
those spots already reserved.)  
I plan to be up thereearly on Friday, and could use some help if anyone else 
can take Friday off.  We need to move the outhouse(so we can start using it), 
and also cut up some firewood.  I’ll have a chainsaw with me.
On Saturday all trips will head out shortly after 9 am.  There will be at least 
one survey team to the Lost Petzl Cave System, probably one to Gorman Creek 
Crevice Cave, and others as needed.  I will have a listof priority projects 
that need to be accomplished for the Park and the Cave Files.  There are all 
kinds of caves in the Park, but if you have vertical gear, bring it, since some 
of the caves have vertical entrances.  Mostly we will be mapping caves, writing 
written descriptions, photographing entrances and passage features, updating 
GPS locations, digging in karst features, and collecting invertebrates.  If you 
already have an objective in mind, and your own team to do it, let me know.
The Caver Camp is primitive, so bring water, food, andyourcampinggear.  Plan to 
take home all of your trash.  Please do not bring firewood to the Park, as we 
are trying to minimize fireantinfestation.  Don’t forget there is also a 
$2/person Project fee that will be collected Saturday morning.
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Fw: [Texascavers] TSA Colorado Bend SP Project

[mark gee]

I to would like to thank everyone who helped with the in-cave surveys. I know 
that progress is slow but remember, the turtle won the race. I hope that the 
project is finished before I go to that great cave in the sky. Again thanks to 
all!!
Mark Gee--Happy Caving



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From: rafal kedzierski rafal...@hotmail.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:30:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Colorado Bend SP Project

Thanks for the comments Mark, but ultimately the thanks belong to all the 
participants who came out and got dirty in the name of caving.  This despite 
gas prices being what they are, and all the other caving activities in the 
state as well as outside of it.  
 
I think the only misconception is that the project is done.  There are still 
caves to be found - especially in the eastern part of the park and across the 
river.  There are caves still to be explored and surveyed - Gorman Creek 
Crevice is about 1.5 km and going, Lost Petzl system survey still continues.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] EspeleoCoahuila

[mark gee]

Ditto- We all want to know. Whats up!



- Original Message 
From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com speleoste...@tx.rr.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:11:19 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] EspeleoCoahuila

I've waiting patiently, but now I've just got to ask, is someone going to post 
a report on EspeleoCoahuila? Were there any caving finds of note? What happened?

Bill 

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Re: [Texascavers] Journey to the Center of the Earth

[mark gee]

Maybe us cavers should make our on Movie. Since we all know so much about 
caves. 



- Original Message 
From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com; Cavers Texas 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:17:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Journey to the Center of the Earth

Went on IMDb and found the latest review (8 stars):
 
Hey there! I was able to go to Knoxville, TN, to catch the world premiere of 
this movie where I actually met Brendan Fraser, Josh Hutcherson, and the 
director. They were all three very nice! The movie is very fun with not having 
to think at all. I've never read the book, so I have no idea how true to the 
book it is. The movie clocks in at 92 minutes, which is a great length. I saw 
it in the REAL 3D, and I am so glad I did. The new technology makes the 3D just 
incredible. Some of the special effects were very much animated and you could 
tell, but the movie itself is visually stunning, very entertaining, has no bad 
language, nudity, nor sex scenes. My vote is that for a good 1.5 hours of 
entertainment with your family, this is the movie for you! Oh yeah, it opens on 
July 11th, 2008--my 34th birthday! 

I think that we can't take a movie like this too seriously. Mainly go for the 
special effects (which I hear are pretty good).
 
Louise

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 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:12:36 -0500
 Subject: [Texascavers] Journey to the Center of the Earth
 
 Speaking (so to speak) of Journey to the Center of the Earth, I see 
 advertised in the newpaper a 3-D movie with that title, opening 
 nationwide. Is that sure to be a turkey, or what? -- Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] Journey to the Center of the Earth

[mark gee]

That 1959 classic was no clunker. Its still a good movie to watch. It 
definitely has entertainment value. 
Mark G


- Original Message 
From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:03:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Journey to the Center of the Earth

Mixon, you old curmudgeon! What's wrong with a modern, 3-D version of  
a classic underground movie, especially since it stars Brendan  
Fraser! He's way more entertaining than Paul Boone, and the new  
version can't be more kitschy than the 1959 clunker.

Diana

On Jul 10, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:

 Speaking (so to speak) of Journey to the Center of the Earth, I  
 see advertised in the newpaper a 3-D movie with that title, opening  
 nationwide. Is that sure to be a turkey, or what? -- Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] cave purchasing related

[mark gee]

I got $50, Lets go!



- Original Message 
From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:28:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] cave purchasing related

Concho Ranch about 29 miles south of Ozona
was recently sold.

The real-estate website stated:


    Concho Ranch is truly unique with its very own cave.

    The cave has not been fully explored,
    but many branches have been discovered
    through the main area.


In my opinion, it should be a priority among the cavers
in Texas to unite what little money we have to attempt
to at least purchase the entrance to the caves when
they come available, and some kind of easement to them.
At least by owning the entrance, you have some limited
rights to it.


However, the ICS is just 13 months away, so it would
seem that cavers efforts need to be focused on that
for the time being.      On one hand it would be nice
to have Punkin paid off by then.    But it would also
be nice to have just purchased some other cave that
we could take ICS attendees to.

If you could somehow get every caver in Texas to
unite behind a goal to buy another new cave, and
each donated $ 50.      How much money would that
be?    $ 25,000.      That would only buy about 20
acres in West Texas.    Right?

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Contact me

[mark gee]

Can anyone tell me how to contact Scott Hardin.
Thank You   Mark Gee    markageetxca...@yahoo.com


  

[Texascavers] Question

[mark gee]

Paging Randy Waters. Randy I have a few questions that only you and scott 
hardin can answer. Contact me please   Mark Gee   markageetxca...@yahoo.com


  

[Texascavers] Questions

[mark gee]

Can anyone give me Randy Waters phone number or email address


  

Re: [Texascavers] Grodon Birkhimer to be new NSS President

[mark gee]

Its definitely a step into a lot more responsibility. Congratulations. Its not 
a step up or down, its a long jump into the future for the NSS.   



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To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: gordon.birkhimer@dla.mil
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:32:07 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Grodon Birkhimer to be new NSS President

Texas Cave Conservancy Director, Gordon Birkhimer will be the new NSS 
President starting the first day of the 2008 NSS Convention.  Is that a step up 
or a step down, Gordon?  Way to go!  
Mike Walsh

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[Texascavers] E-mail address

[mark gee]

Can anyone tell me Jerry Fant e-mail address or how to get in touch with him. 
Have been trying for a few weeks. 
Happy Caving !!! 
Mark Gmarkageetxca...@yahoo.com

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[Texascavers] Two Fissure Cave

[mark gee]

I put out the e-mail 5 days ago about info  about the survey of this cave. I 
got no answer at all. If you know something about this cave, or the three Aggie
Speleological Society members, Dennis Renner, Justin Teague, Clint Otto, please 
contact me. You might be able to steer me somewhere where I can find 
out what I am needing. 
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Re: [Texascavers] A Cool Way to go to School

[mark gee]

A hell of a zip line.That would be a lot of fun, but one day for someone, it 
won't be. 

Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote:Here's a video of a truly 
exciting way to get to school everyday.  
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q79/entimid8er/?action=viewcurrent=a-cool-way-to-go-to-school.flv
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RE: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

[mark gee]

A very small cave at CBSPark has a small little cave named after such that has 
porcupine's in it quite often.

Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Nancy,
Two caving parties on which I have been have reported encountering a
porcupine within the cave. They seem to prefer caves for their lodging.
Fritz

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From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@io.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

someone mentioned to me a trivial pursuit question regarding what 
mammal lives in caves?  the answer of course is bats . . .   which 
got me to wondering if bats habitually live any further into a cave 
than the bears, cats etc which use caves as dens.  I've personally 
seen evidence of mice thriving way past the light zone and a climb or 
two down . . .

Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] Kunath's book at party

[mark gee]

MAYBE someone could bring a few to the Colorado Bend Project in January. 
Kennedy usually comes. I want a copy of the book to read and put in my library.

Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:  I have a supply of Kunath's 50 
Years book at my house. If you want to 
buy a copy at my party, bring a check or $50 cash. Also, I can, on 
request, take copies to Pete and Jocie's New Years Eve party. -- Mixon
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