Re: [Texascavers] Archival epoxy

[tom rogers]

Gregg,
Discoloring, offgassing, and eventual failure is what happens with regular 
hardware store epoxies.
According to those with experience.

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From: Texascavers  on behalf of Gregg 
Williams 
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:16:25 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Archival epoxy

Whats the reasoning behind using archival epoxy for cave restoration? Do 
regular epoxies discolor or otherwise damage the rock?

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:55 AM Robert B 
mailto:robert.c.b1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Tom,
is this for cave restoration???
If yes, maybe a larger search area within our community... such as Cavers of 
Facebook or Cavechat.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:38 PM tom rogers 
mailto:decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I'm  looking for recommendations on where to get archival epoxy i.e epon 828 
and curing agent.
Or if anyone has some they would donate. I don't  need very much.
Thanks
Tom Rogers

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Re: [Texascavers] Archival epoxy

[tom rogers]

Rob,
Yes. For restoration

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From: Texascavers  on behalf of Robert B 

Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:55:18 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Archival epoxy

Tom,
is this for cave restoration???
If yes, maybe a larger search area within our community... such as Cavers of 
Facebook or Cavechat.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:38 PM tom rogers 
mailto:decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I'm  looking for recommendations on where to get archival epoxy i.e epon 828 
and curing agent.
Or if anyone has some they would donate. I don't  need very much.
Thanks
Tom Rogers

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[Texascavers] Archival epoxy

[tom rogers]

I'm  looking for recommendations on where to get archival epoxy i.e epon 828 
and curing agent.
Or if anyone has some they would donate. I don't  need very much.
Thanks
Tom Rogers

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[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention

[tom rogers]

Cavers,
When arriving at the park don't go to the office! Go directly to the chapas 
campground. The organizers have been working hard to bring you a very nice 
convention. Hope to see everyone there.
TFR

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[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention registration

[tom rogers]

Cavers,
Here is the link to the non Facebook registration. All this can be found on the 
TSA website and is easily navigated thanks to our awesome tech folks!
https://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2017/
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[Texascavers] TSA Convention registration

[tom rogers]

Cavers,
Preregister for convention to take advantage of the discounted price and 
receive your code to sign up for workshops. Hurry some only have a few spots 
left. TFR

https://www.facebook.com/events/592497977615667/?ti=as

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[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention program

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https://m.facebook.com/events/592497977615667/624256161106515/?acontext=%7B%22ref%22%3A%2229%22%2C%22ref_notif_type%22%3A%22admin_plan_mall_activity%22%2C%22action_history%22%3A%22null%22%7D

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Re: [Texascavers] Scott Harden

[tom rogers via Texascavers]

Thanks for letting us know. I plan on being there on the 18th.
Tom

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From: Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: March 19, 2015 11:33 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Scott Harden

Scott Harden, and active Caver, Geologist, Biologist, Mountain climber, and a 
friend passed away last week.  He was a graduate from UT and a very active 
caver in the 70-80's.  He spent a few years caving in the Austin area, made 
numerous trips to Mexico, then moved back to San Antonio, and was actively 
caving there for many years.

He spent many years caring for his ailing parent in the 90's and up until his 
mom died in 2011.  His health had been declining over the past few years.  He 
constantly emailed his friends with humorous, goofy, and insulting emails 
numerous times each day, and when those emails stopped, and he wouldn't answer 
his phone several of us were concerned.  One of his friends went to his house, 
and after he didn't get a response, he called the police who eventually 
discovered Scott dead inside.

I am planning to host a memorial / celebration of his life at my house Saturday 
April 18th starting at 6:30pm.  Anyone interested please RSVP so we'll know how 
to contact you with more details as we get closer.

Kurt
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Re: [Texascavers] GHG meeting tomorrow

[tom rogers via Texascavers]

The see my shovel trip is awaiting approval from above. I'll keep you posted
TFR

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From: Mallory Mayeux via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: January 19, 2015 10:28 AM
To: GHG greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com, 
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] GHG meeting tomorrow

Good morning cavers!

This is a reminder that the Greater Houston Grotto has their first meeting
of 2015 tomorrow (Tuesday) January 20, at 7:30 pm at the Texas Rock Gym on
Campbell.

We'll kick off our meeting with trip reports, recent and old, and then have
officer elections for 2015 and plan what we'd like to get on the agenda for
the coming year. We're actively taking requests and making plan to do some
stellar caving, so this is an awesome meeting for EVERYONE caving in
Houston to attend! (Or if you're just in town for work or whatever, stop
by, we love our non-Houstonians too) :)

Our pre-meeting dinner is at Five Guys Burgers  Fries. (9762 Katy Freeway,
Suite 100, Houston, TX 77055 in the HEB lot at I-10 and Bunker Hill).
People typically start arriving around/after 6pm.

After our meeting, we'll adjourn to our usual grotto watering hole, Nikki's
Pub (10885 Katy Freeway, Houston, TX 77079), where we'll celebrate an
awesome year of caving! 2014 was awesome and this coming year will be even
better. :)

If anyone needs more information, email me! I hope to see ya there. :)

Mallory Mayeux
GHG Chair
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Re: [Texascavers] Mertens Ranch dig trip

[tom rogers via Texascavers]

Kurt,
Your one-legged friend Jack would love that dig.
Tom

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From: Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: September 15, 2014 12:11 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mertens Ranch dig trip

Saturday is fine!  I'll and details within a day or so.

Mobile email from my iPhone

 On Sep 15, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Jim,

 I’d like to come out on Saturday, but can’t make it Sunday.

 Kurt

 From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
 Crash Kennedy via Texascavers
 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:55 PM
 To: CaveTex
 Subject: [Texascavers] Mertens Ranch dig trip

 If anyone is not going on the Deep Cave survey trip this coming weekend and 
 would like to join us on a very promising dig adjacent to Guadalupe River 
 State Park (and projected to intersect a very long and famous water cave), 
 contact me offlist.  We still have a couple of open spots.  Details will be 
 sent upon confirmation of participants.  Breakthrough is imminent!

 Crash
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[Texascavers] Li- ion cordless drill battery

[Tom Rogers]

Don't dispose of your bad cordless batteries. Take them apart and you can 
harvest 5- 10 18650 batts of which one or two might be shorted out.  I had 
three bad 18 volt batts. Now I have more caving batteries  than I can keep up 
with. Someone with more electrical knowledge might even be able to fix the 
cordless batteries, which was my original intention. Till I discovered that 
they were filled with 18650's. 
Tom

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Tom Rogers]

If you don't like the idea of mineral spirits on your skin then just use 
rubbing alcohol. Works almost as good. Or buy over priced deodorized mineral 
spirits(tecnu). Probably just as carcinogenic as canned paint thinners. Any of 
that is way safer than the doctor. I wouldn't want the shot that's lasted over 
fifty years(Bill Walden). If nothing is available water and dirt makes mud. The 
more alkaline the dirt the better. Add some ash to make it even more alkaline.  
Whatever it takes to get the oil off. Anything to avoid doctors.
Tom

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From: vivb...@att.net
Sent: October 23, 2013 8:27 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

   If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the 
leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and 
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush.
 best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil 
cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand technu which is specific for poison 
ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off 
yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
 No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. 
The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.  You cannot 
develop an immunity.
Vivian Loftin



 From: Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I 
underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't 
break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble 
or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer 
given.

Bill Walden



On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:

A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact 
condition, not an allergy.
And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since 
it's not a disease.
I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a 
carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and 
should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, 
however.
Thoughts? Info?
--Ediger



On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote:

I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
 
For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed 
eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts, 
sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with 
it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting 
worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in 
3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
 
Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Tom Rogers]

I recently went to Poison Ivy pit in Bexar County. It lives up to its name. The 
sinkhole was hidden by massive vines. Completely covering it save one port hole 
about 20 diameter. It was the only way in so I rappelled thru that and saw 
that I could have walked into the sink hole from the other side if it wasn't 
choked with poison ivy. It was hanging 10' down the pit. The cave lives up to 
its name, trust me. It didn't get me that time, surprising because I was in my  
caving clothes(for those who know my caving attire).
 The worst place to get it? Not the genitals. In the eye. Salt water every ten 
minutes. After that I can largely ignore regular exposures.

--- Original Message ---

From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
Sent: October 23, 2013 8:51 AM
To: vivb...@att.net
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds
by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were,
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was
greatly diminished.
--Ediger


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM, vivb...@att.net wrote:

If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West
 coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per
 leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a
 bush.
  best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good
 oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand technu which is specific for
 poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed
 it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
  No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more
 exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.
  You cannot develop an immunity.
 Vivian Loftin

   --
  *From:* Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.net
 *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

  When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7
 (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots
 I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to
 get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots
 are no longer given.

 Bill Walden



 On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:

 A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical
 contact condition, not an allergy.
 And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity'
 since it's not a disease.
 I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which
 is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things)
 and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any
 oils, however.
 Thoughts? Info?
 --Ediger


 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.orgwrote:

I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.

 For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed
 eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts,
 sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with
 it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting
 worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in
 3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.

 Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Tom Rogers]

I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral 
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub 
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still 
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also 
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity.
 Tom

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From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is 
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern 
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.


Roger G. Moore



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From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org
To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently 
immune is to avoid it as much as possible.


George




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Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net
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Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other 
treatments.


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On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote:

A related product is Tecnu 
http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly 
available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that causes 
the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but 
can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, 
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't 
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also not 
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)

Mark


At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, 
always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it 
ishttp://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product

Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand.  
I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's expensive, but 
worth every cent.

Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it 
was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.

If you can, try the above link

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
experience?

Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?

4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, 
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.

Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
people are the most allergic ?

David Locklear



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RE: [Texascavers] Solo caving

[Tom Rogers]

Jim,
 I have gone solo caving probably four times. Usually it was unplanned grab my 
helmet from the back seat and get sucked into a hole in the ground. The feeling 
you get when nobody knows where you are it's quiet all you can hear is your 
heart beat. A small cave with little or no exposures or hazards suddenly 
becomes a monster out to kill you. I do it for the adrenaline. I am always 
extra careful with every move. One wrong step and they make a movie.  I've 
always gone with little or no gear. Kinda like spelunking...
 Tom

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From: James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com
Sent: September 13, 2013 9:14 AM
To: TexasCavers Tex texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Solo caving

Let me rephrase my solo caving question. I was hoping an active caver, who has 
done, or has recently done, some non vertical, solo caving would reply. What is 
the mind set and why go solo  caving? What are the limits set to what 
difficulty or degree of caving while underground? What is included in your cave 
pack in case of an emergency?

James Jasek

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[Texascavers] Crash

[tom rogers]

Crash, I can't find your email address. Please contact me afflict. Thanks, Tom

[Texascavers] Crash

[tom rogers]

Crash, I can't find your email address. Please contact me afflict. Thanks, Tom

RE: [Texascavers] Crash

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Subject: [Texascavers] Crash

Crash, I can't find your email address. Please contact me afflict. Thanks, Tom

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[Texascavers] Crash

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Crash, I can't find your email address. Please contact me afflict. Thanks, Tom

RE: [Texascavers] Crash

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Crash, I can't find your email address. Please contact me afflict. Thanks, Tom

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

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Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

[tom rogers]

We're being protected from the truth. The news won't tell us what is really 
happening. I have relatives  who live in Europe. They know more about what's 
going on in Mexico than most Americans do. Tom Rogers

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From: freddie poer
Sent: 7 Jul 2012 12:25:02 GMT
To: Mixon Bill
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars

It probably is. I still go to Mexico quite frequently and what I have noticed 
is that what makes the news here, I don't see in the news there, and visa 
versa. Makes me wonder where this news is coming from and how much of it is 
true. Meanwhile, I do not know of a single person who has witnessed any of it 
firsthand. Nonetheless it has been very effective in scaring off American 
tourists including what I formerly considered brave American cavers.

--- On Fri, 7/6/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:


From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican drug wars
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 9:09 PM


For those wanting to keep up on the Mexican drug wars, there's a long article 
in the July 2 issue of The New Yorker. I recall earlier press reports that the 
Mexican army had seized a remarkable about of meth. From the article:

In February, the Army announced that it had seized, in a historic bust, in 
Tlajomulco [Jalisco], fifteen tons of methamphetamine. The street value of that 
much meth was, by the Army's figuring, some four billion dollars. If true, that 
would make it the largest meth bust in history. But was it true?...

I tried to get to the bottom of a single bust--the historic meth-lab raid in 
Tlajomulco that confiscated some our billion dollars' worth of drugs. Were the 
drugs seized really worth that much? Well, no. The more experts I consulted, 
the lower the number sank. Maybe it was a billion, if the meth was pure. Then 
was it really fifteen tons of pure meth, as widely reported? Well, no. There 
had been some confusion. There were precursor chemicals. A lot of 
equipment--gas tanks, reactors. Maybe it was eleven pounds of pure meth. Eleven 
pounds? Nobody wanted to speak on the record, but the spokesman for the federal 
presecutor's office in Guadalajara, a young man named Ulises Enríquez Camacho, 
finally said, Yes, five kilos. Eleven pounds. The fifteen tons had been 
methamphetamine ready for packing, according to the Army. But it was not 
finished product, and there had been only five kilos of crystal. In the U.S., 
where meth is often sold by the gram, that
 amount might be worth five hundred thousand dollars. So the reported value had 
been inflated by a factor of eight thousand?

I hope the body count is not off by a factor of eight thousand.
--Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, The things your 
science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how everything 
works. That's when I wake up.

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[tom rogers]

Found something that probably belongs to you. Contact me off list. Tom Rogers 

[Texascavers] Paging James Brown

[tom rogers]

Found something that probably belongs to you. Contact me off list. Tom Rogers 

RE: [Texascavers] DP Work Weekend

[tom rogers]

Sure why not. I'll bring a full aray of tools. Enough so that everyone can join 
in on the fun. Tom Rogers

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From: Don Arburn
Sent: 9 Mar 2012 03:32:18 GMT
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] DP Work Weekend

March 16, 17  18
We are going to work on the back porch roof and a few other things.
Anyone interested?

Sent cellularly.
-Don

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RE: [Texascavers] DP Work Weekend

[tom rogers]

Sure why not. I'll bring a full aray of tools. Enough so that everyone can join 
in on the fun. Tom Rogers

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From: Don Arburn
Sent: 9 Mar 2012 03:32:18 GMT
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Subject: [Texascavers] DP Work Weekend

March 16, 17  18
We are going to work on the back porch roof and a few other things.
Anyone interested?

Sent cellularly.
-Don

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RE: [Texascavers] DP Work Weekend

[tom rogers]

Sure why not. I'll bring a full aray of tools. Enough so that everyone can join 
in on the fun. Tom Rogers

-Original Message-

From: Don Arburn
Sent: 9 Mar 2012 03:32:18 GMT
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] DP Work Weekend

March 16, 17  18
We are going to work on the back porch roof and a few other things.
Anyone interested?

Sent cellularly.
-Don

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RE: [Texascavers] [Toyotas]

[tom rogers]

What if I have a chevy? Tom

 From: donarb...@mac.com
 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:09:39 -0500
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] [Toyotas]
 
 A while back I asked for photos of caver Toyotas. And I received some good 
 ones. Thanks! However, I'm still working on it. Cavers if you would, please 
 send me any action pictures of your Toyota(s), or another caver's Toyota(s) 
 4x4 doing it's thing, getting you to and from caves.
 
 I'm also looking for short tales of adventure. Tales of heroism, plundering, 
 rescue, successes, etc. that your Toyota was involved in.
 
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RE: [Texascavers] [Toyotas]

[tom rogers]

What if I have a chevy? Tom

 From: donarb...@mac.com
 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:09:39 -0500
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] [Toyotas]
 
 A while back I asked for photos of caver Toyotas. And I received some good 
 ones. Thanks! However, I'm still working on it. Cavers if you would, please 
 send me any action pictures of your Toyota(s), or another caver's Toyota(s) 
 4x4 doing it's thing, getting you to and from caves.
 
 I'm also looking for short tales of adventure. Tales of heroism, plundering, 
 rescue, successes, etc. that your Toyota was involved in.
 
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