[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
This is another similar article from The Ruidoso News: http://tinyurl.com/k92g37f Lee Skinner Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner
[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
This is another similar article from The Ruidoso News: http://tinyurl.com/k92g37f Lee Skinner Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award
Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives international award From the Ruidoso Free Press: http://tinyurl.com/moxlcts Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton
Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton
Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago. Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton
Wow, how cool is that that Andy was on the first survey in Ft Stanton so many years ago. Congrats to everyone for a well-deserved award. Anyone going to venture back east for Convention next week? Hope so as I'll be there on Vendors Row. Stop by, say hello, have a beer, buy some pots. Helps me get out to NM to go caving in the best caves in the world with the best cavers in the world!! Peter On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:44 PM, John Corcoran wrote: Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy MainC 19670907 bk 1 of 1 p01.jpg___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Carl, Yes indeed, that was one of Pete Lindsley’s survey book designs which we used for the first few years of work at Fort Stanton Cave. Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Carl Kunath Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 8:21 PM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran mailto:john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' mailto:andru...@sbcglobal.net ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy _ ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Of interest is the font on that survey book cover. Carl, that was my old electric typewriter font, the one we used when publishing two years of the Texas Caver in Dallas in the 60's. Katherine Goodbar and Jacquelyn Robinson alternated every other month in typing up each issue full justified on offset paper masters. As editor I typed up each month's issue first, putting in to the end of each line. Then on the 2nd typing, Katherine (or Jackie) would randomly put in extra spaces to full justify each line. I sure was glad to buy a home computer in 1979 with a word processor. And in 1986, Karen and I bought a Mac with Microsoft Word that wasn't limited to monospaced fonts. A long ways from typesetting in the mid 60's! Oh yes, we still are working on improving our cave survey technology. It helps to have a dust proof Disto that shoots 280 feet when doing long survey shots with precision sketching. - Pete On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton
Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton
Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago. Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton
Wow, how cool is that that Andy was on the first survey in Ft Stanton so many years ago. Congrats to everyone for a well-deserved award. Anyone going to venture back east for Convention next week? Hope so as I'll be there on Vendors Row. Stop by, say hello, have a beer, buy some pots. Helps me get out to NM to go caving in the best caves in the world with the best cavers in the world!! Peter On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:44 PM, John Corcoran wrote: Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy MainC 19670907 bk 1 of 1 p01.jpg___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Carl, Yes indeed, that was one of Pete Lindsley’s survey book designs which we used for the first few years of work at Fort Stanton Cave. Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Carl Kunath Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 8:21 PM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran mailto:john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' mailto:andru...@sbcglobal.net ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy _ ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Of interest is the font on that survey book cover. Carl, that was my old electric typewriter font, the one we used when publishing two years of the Texas Caver in Dallas in the 60's. Katherine Goodbar and Jacquelyn Robinson alternated every other month in typing up each issue full justified on offset paper masters. As editor I typed up each month's issue first, putting in to the end of each line. Then on the 2nd typing, Katherine (or Jackie) would randomly put in extra spaces to full justify each line. I sure was glad to buy a home computer in 1979 with a word processor. And in 1986, Karen and I bought a Mac with Microsoft Word that wasn't limited to monospaced fonts. A long ways from typesetting in the mid 60's! Oh yes, we still are working on improving our cave survey technology. It helps to have a dust proof Disto that shoots 280 feet when doing long survey shots with precision sketching. - Pete On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton
Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton
Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago. Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton
Wow, how cool is that that Andy was on the first survey in Ft Stanton so many years ago. Congrats to everyone for a well-deserved award. Anyone going to venture back east for Convention next week? Hope so as I'll be there on Vendors Row. Stop by, say hello, have a beer, buy some pots. Helps me get out to NM to go caving in the best caves in the world with the best cavers in the world!! Peter On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:44 PM, John Corcoran wrote: Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy MainC 19670907 bk 1 of 1 p01.jpg___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Carl, Yes indeed, that was one of Pete Lindsley’s survey book designs which we used for the first few years of work at Fort Stanton Cave. Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Carl Kunath Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 8:21 PM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran mailto:john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' mailto:andru...@sbcglobal.net ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy _ ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton survey book
Of interest is the font on that survey book cover. Carl, that was my old electric typewriter font, the one we used when publishing two years of the Texas Caver in Dallas in the 60's. Katherine Goodbar and Jacquelyn Robinson alternated every other month in typing up each issue full justified on offset paper masters. As editor I typed up each month's issue first, putting in to the end of each line. Then on the 2nd typing, Katherine (or Jackie) would randomly put in extra spaces to full justify each line. I sure was glad to buy a home computer in 1979 with a word processor. And in 1986, Karen and I bought a Mac with Microsoft Word that wasn't limited to monospaced fonts. A long ways from typesetting in the mid 60's! Oh yes, we still are working on improving our cave survey technology. It helps to have a dust proof Disto that shoots 280 feet when doing long survey shots with precision sketching. - Pete On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Carl Kunath wrote: Time flies when you’re having fun. . . . That appears to be a good example of the survey book that was widely in use in Texas in the 1960s. I think it was a Pete Lindsley design. It became the official TSA survey book in hopes of promoting better uniformity in our survey techniques which were not all that good at the time. Getting all that information on the front cover was a huge step forward! ===Carl Kunath From: John Corcoran Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:44 PM To: 'Andy Komensky' ; s...@caver.net Subject: Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Thanks Andy, I remember that you were on the very first survey team for FSCSP when we started at the entrance and began the Main Corridor survey (see attached survey book cover)! So you helped start things some 46 years ago… Regards, John From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Andy Komensky Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:43 AM To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Congrats to all of you who received the award. Proud to say that at one time or another I had the opportunity to cave with some of you and sorry that I never had the chance to meet the rest of you., Cave h, Andy ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave mapping continues
Today's Ruidoso News has a great article about surveying in Fort Stanton Cave: http://tinyurl.com/c4nnwfa Two photos (click to enlarge) are included. Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave mapping continues
Thanks, Lee! On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Today's Ruidoso News has a great article about surveying in Fort Stanton Cave: http://tinyurl.com/c4nnwfa Two photos (click to enlarge) are included. Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave mapping continues
Today's Ruidoso News has a great article about surveying in Fort Stanton Cave: http://tinyurl.com/c4nnwfa Two photos (click to enlarge) are included. Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave mapping continues
Thanks, Lee! On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Today's Ruidoso News has a great article about surveying in Fort Stanton Cave: http://tinyurl.com/c4nnwfa Two photos (click to enlarge) are included. Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave mapping continues
Today's Ruidoso News has a great article about surveying in Fort Stanton Cave: http://tinyurl.com/c4nnwfa Two photos (click to enlarge) are included. Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave mapping continues
Thanks, Lee! On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: Today's Ruidoso News has a great article about surveying in Fort Stanton Cave: http://tinyurl.com/c4nnwfa Two photos (click to enlarge) are included. Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project honors two with Caver Hall of Fame awards
From the Ruidoso Free Press, an article about honoring Dr. Penny Boston and Dr. Ron Lipinski by the FSCSP: http://tinyurl.com/ajta3bb Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project honors two with Caver Hall of Fame awards
From the Ruidoso Free Press, an article about honoring Dr. Penny Boston and Dr. Ron Lipinski by the FSCSP: http://tinyurl.com/ajta3bb Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project honors two with Caver Hall of Fame awards
From the Ruidoso Free Press, an article about honoring Dr. Penny Boston and Dr. Ron Lipinski by the FSCSP: http://tinyurl.com/ajta3bb Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] fort stanton
Folks, we have picked an extra weekend (in advance of the work regional in March) to begin disassembly and perhaps some preliminary refinishing of the historic building balcony railing reconstruction. We will be working Feb 25 26, and also will be starting on Feb 24 for any that can come early. We will meet at 10 am Friday, Feb 24 at the bunkhouse. On Saturday Sunday we will start at 9 am. If we have enough hands we can begin some of the restoration work, thus lessening amount we will have to do at the regional and ensuring that the project will be completed by then. Any that are planning to attend this early event, please let me know you're coming. Declinations are not necessary. Bring any personal equipment and hand/power tools. Drills, perhaps sanders, screwdrivers, hammers, etc. would be useful. A ladder or two for availability wouldn't hurt, though we should be able to do nearly all the work from the balcony. Thanks for the help. Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com** ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[PBSS] [SWR] fort stanton
From the SW Region: The just-scheduled (see below) Ft. Stanton work day before the scheduled March workday is the same weekend as the PBSS LNF trip being led by Matthew. If you are not signed up for our trip but have some travel time for the weekend, the details for the Region workday are below. - Original Message - From: Stephen Fleming To: NM Caver List Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: [SWR] fort stanton Folks, we have picked an extra weekend (in advance of the work regional in March) to begin disassembly and perhaps some preliminary refinishing of the historic building balcony railing reconstruction. We will be working Feb 25 26, and also will be starting on Feb 24 for any that can come early. We will meet at 10 am Friday, Feb 24 at the bunkhouse. On Saturday Sunday we will start at 9 am. If we have enough hands we can begin some of the restoration work, thus lessening amount we will have to do at the regional and ensuring that the project will be completed by then. Any that are planning to attend this early event, please let me know you're coming. Declinations are not necessary. Bring any personal equipment and hand/power tools. Drills, perhaps sanders, screwdrivers, hammers, etc. would be useful. A ladder or two for availability wouldn't hurt, though we should be able to do nearly all the work from the balcony. Thanks for the help. Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
[SWR] fort stanton
Folks, we have picked an extra weekend (in advance of the work regional in March) to begin disassembly and perhaps some preliminary refinishing of the historic building balcony railing reconstruction. We will be working Feb 25 26, and also will be starting on Feb 24 for any that can come early. We will meet at 10 am Friday, Feb 24 at the bunkhouse. On Saturday Sunday we will start at 9 am. If we have enough hands we can begin some of the restoration work, thus lessening amount we will have to do at the regional and ensuring that the project will be completed by then. Any that are planning to attend this early event, please let me know you're coming. Declinations are not necessary. Bring any personal equipment and hand/power tools. Drills, perhaps sanders, screwdrivers, hammers, etc. would be useful. A ladder or two for availability wouldn't hurt, though we should be able to do nearly all the work from the balcony. Thanks for the help. Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com** ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[PBSS] [SWR] fort stanton
From the SW Region: The just-scheduled (see below) Ft. Stanton work day before the scheduled March workday is the same weekend as the PBSS LNF trip being led by Matthew. If you are not signed up for our trip but have some travel time for the weekend, the details for the Region workday are below. - Original Message - From: Stephen Fleming To: NM Caver List Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: [SWR] fort stanton Folks, we have picked an extra weekend (in advance of the work regional in March) to begin disassembly and perhaps some preliminary refinishing of the historic building balcony railing reconstruction. We will be working Feb 25 26, and also will be starting on Feb 24 for any that can come early. We will meet at 10 am Friday, Feb 24 at the bunkhouse. On Saturday Sunday we will start at 9 am. If we have enough hands we can begin some of the restoration work, thus lessening amount we will have to do at the regional and ensuring that the project will be completed by then. Any that are planning to attend this early event, please let me know you're coming. Declinations are not necessary. Bring any personal equipment and hand/power tools. Drills, perhaps sanders, screwdrivers, hammers, etc. would be useful. A ladder or two for availability wouldn't hurt, though we should be able to do nearly all the work from the balcony. Thanks for the help. Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
[SWR] fort stanton
Folks, we have picked an extra weekend (in advance of the work regional in March) to begin disassembly and perhaps some preliminary refinishing of the historic building balcony railing reconstruction. We will be working Feb 25 26, and also will be starting on Feb 24 for any that can come early. We will meet at 10 am Friday, Feb 24 at the bunkhouse. On Saturday Sunday we will start at 9 am. If we have enough hands we can begin some of the restoration work, thus lessening amount we will have to do at the regional and ensuring that the project will be completed by then. Any that are planning to attend this early event, please let me know you're coming. Declinations are not necessary. Bring any personal equipment and hand/power tools. Drills, perhaps sanders, screwdrivers, hammers, etc. would be useful. A ladder or two for availability wouldn't hurt, though we should be able to do nearly all the work from the balcony. Thanks for the help. Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com** ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[PBSS] [SWR] fort stanton
From the SW Region: The just-scheduled (see below) Ft. Stanton work day before the scheduled March workday is the same weekend as the PBSS LNF trip being led by Matthew. If you are not signed up for our trip but have some travel time for the weekend, the details for the Region workday are below. - Original Message - From: Stephen Fleming To: NM Caver List Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: [SWR] fort stanton Folks, we have picked an extra weekend (in advance of the work regional in March) to begin disassembly and perhaps some preliminary refinishing of the historic building balcony railing reconstruction. We will be working Feb 25 26, and also will be starting on Feb 24 for any that can come early. We will meet at 10 am Friday, Feb 24 at the bunkhouse. On Saturday Sunday we will start at 9 am. If we have enough hands we can begin some of the restoration work, thus lessening amount we will have to do at the regional and ensuring that the project will be completed by then. Any that are planning to attend this early event, please let me know you're coming. Declinations are not necessary. Bring any personal equipment and hand/power tools. Drills, perhaps sanders, screwdrivers, hammers, etc. would be useful. A ladder or two for availability wouldn't hurt, though we should be able to do nearly all the work from the balcony. Thanks for the help. Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ PBSS mailing list p...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/pbss_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives nationalconservation award
Cavers, In case any of you noticed, Carol Tiderman of the NSS noticed the FSCSP award article as forwarded to us by Lee Skinner and congratulated the region. Most of you don't know who Carol is, though. Carol is an NSS Board member. She, apparently, is on the SWR mailing list due to the time we spent mulling over plans for an NSS Convention as convention planning is her main job in the NSS. She also received the Bill Stephenson Outstanding Service Award a couple years ago for her dedicated service to the NSS. I think it was nice that she took notice of the national conservation award and congratulated all of the SWR, not just the participants in the project. Linda Starr -Original Message- From: Lee H. Skinner Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:44 PM To: nmcaver list ; Lynda Sanchez Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives nationalconservation award from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives nationalconservation award
Cavers, In case any of you noticed, Carol Tiderman of the NSS noticed the FSCSP award article as forwarded to us by Lee Skinner and congratulated the region. Most of you don't know who Carol is, though. Carol is an NSS Board member. She, apparently, is on the SWR mailing list due to the time we spent mulling over plans for an NSS Convention as convention planning is her main job in the NSS. She also received the Bill Stephenson Outstanding Service Award a couple years ago for her dedicated service to the NSS. I think it was nice that she took notice of the national conservation award and congratulated all of the SWR, not just the participants in the project. Linda Starr -Original Message- From: Lee H. Skinner Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:44 PM To: nmcaver list ; Lynda Sanchez Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives nationalconservation award from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives nationalconservation award
Cavers, In case any of you noticed, Carol Tiderman of the NSS noticed the FSCSP award article as forwarded to us by Lee Skinner and congratulated the region. Most of you don't know who Carol is, though. Carol is an NSS Board member. She, apparently, is on the SWR mailing list due to the time we spent mulling over plans for an NSS Convention as convention planning is her main job in the NSS. She also received the Bill Stephenson Outstanding Service Award a couple years ago for her dedicated service to the NSS. I think it was nice that she took notice of the national conservation award and congratulated all of the SWR, not just the participants in the project. Linda Starr -Original Message- From: Lee H. Skinner Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:44 PM To: nmcaver list ; Lynda Sanchez Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives nationalconservation award from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award
from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award
EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! Carol From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net To: nmcaver list s...@caver.net; Lynda Sanchez diamond...@pvtn.net Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award
from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award
EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! Carol From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net To: nmcaver list s...@caver.net; Lynda Sanchez diamond...@pvtn.net Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award
from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award
EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! Carol From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net To: nmcaver list s...@caver.net; Lynda Sanchez diamond...@pvtn.net Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award from the Las Cruces Sun-News: http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124 Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project! Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Planning
For those commenting on the Fort Stanton plan, there's a few things of which you should be aware. If you already have submitted your comments, you may want to review and possibly amend them in light of the following: Things to consider from a planning/NEPA perspective Even though the draft plan has neatly parsed various actions and activities into separate alternatives, these actions/activities do not have to stay with a particular alternative. The agency looks at and evaluates a reasonable range of alternatives and then can select (much like making selections from a Chinese menu) activities and actions from any alternative and combine them into a final plan for the area. In fact activities do not have to be spelled out specifically, the plan can include them as long as they are within the range of activities considered in the NEPA document. An example might be sites for a new campground. If the draft plan considers 5 sites in one alternative, 10 in another alternative, and 25 in another alternative; the final plan could have any number from 5-25. Therefore, if there is a particular action or activity you feel is incompatible with the intent of the designation or contrary to conservation of the environment, say so. _Do not rely on the fact it is not in the preferred alternative_. When making comments, remember, you do not get a vote. You need to make substantive comments regarding concerns and objections. Have and state reasons for comments both good and bad that will cause a reconsideration of the proposal and sway agency opinion one way or another. Simply saying you don't like something is not helpful and will not get the attention you think is warranted. Part of the reason these things are in the public venue is that agencies don't necessarily have a lock on articulating all or even the best avenues. They can, and do, overlook things or make bad proposals. Remember, you will be living with for a long time whatever is the outcome of this process. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Planning
For those commenting on the Fort Stanton plan, there's a few things of which you should be aware. If you already have submitted your comments, you may want to review and possibly amend them in light of the following: Things to consider from a planning/NEPA perspective Even though the draft plan has neatly parsed various actions and activities into separate alternatives, these actions/activities do not have to stay with a particular alternative. The agency looks at and evaluates a reasonable range of alternatives and then can select (much like making selections from a Chinese menu) activities and actions from any alternative and combine them into a final plan for the area. In fact activities do not have to be spelled out specifically, the plan can include them as long as they are within the range of activities considered in the NEPA document. An example might be sites for a new campground. If the draft plan considers 5 sites in one alternative, 10 in another alternative, and 25 in another alternative; the final plan could have any number from 5-25. Therefore, if there is a particular action or activity you feel is incompatible with the intent of the designation or contrary to conservation of the environment, say so. _Do not rely on the fact it is not in the preferred alternative_. When making comments, remember, you do not get a vote. You need to make substantive comments regarding concerns and objections. Have and state reasons for comments both good and bad that will cause a reconsideration of the proposal and sway agency opinion one way or another. Simply saying you don't like something is not helpful and will not get the attention you think is warranted. Part of the reason these things are in the public venue is that agencies don't necessarily have a lock on articulating all or even the best avenues. They can, and do, overlook things or make bad proposals. Remember, you will be living with for a long time whatever is the outcome of this process. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fort Stanton Planning
For those commenting on the Fort Stanton plan, there's a few things of which you should be aware. If you already have submitted your comments, you may want to review and possibly amend them in light of the following: Things to consider from a planning/NEPA perspective Even though the draft plan has neatly parsed various actions and activities into separate alternatives, these actions/activities do not have to stay with a particular alternative. The agency looks at and evaluates a reasonable range of alternatives and then can select (much like making selections from a Chinese menu) activities and actions from any alternative and combine them into a final plan for the area. In fact activities do not have to be spelled out specifically, the plan can include them as long as they are within the range of activities considered in the NEPA document. An example might be sites for a new campground. If the draft plan considers 5 sites in one alternative, 10 in another alternative, and 25 in another alternative; the final plan could have any number from 5-25. Therefore, if there is a particular action or activity you feel is incompatible with the intent of the designation or contrary to conservation of the environment, say so. _Do not rely on the fact it is not in the preferred alternative_. When making comments, remember, you do not get a vote. You need to make substantive comments regarding concerns and objections. Have and state reasons for comments both good and bad that will cause a reconsideration of the proposal and sway agency opinion one way or another. Simply saying you don't like something is not helpful and will not get the attention you think is warranted. Part of the reason these things are in the public venue is that agencies don't necessarily have a lock on articulating all or even the best avenues. They can, and do, overlook things or make bad proposals. Remember, you will be living with for a long time whatever is the outcome of this process. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
